Re: [Gimp-user] Save dialog: can I get some sort of history?

2005-05-10 Thread Owen
On Sun, 8 May 2005 22:15:18 -0300
Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I use the Gimp to take files from one directory (raw photos),
  process them, and save them into another directory (photos for
  sending/publishing/printing/etc).
 
  Each time I save a photo, I have to navigate to the saving
  directory manually...
 
  Is it possible to somehow have the Save dialog store this directory
  iin some form of history, so I could easily select it?
 
 
 Hi,
 
 In gimp 2.2 you can bookmark both directorys (clicking on the + 
 button, at botton left), and navigate from one to the other with two 
 clicks.



Doh...Couldn't see for looking, thanks very muxh.



Owen
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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: when even free advertising fails

2005-05-10 Thread Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris
On Sunday 08 May 2005 16:00, David Marrs wrote:
 Sven Neumann wrote:
 Having all possible toggles visible in a toolbar in the image
  window be a major waste of screen estate.
 
 
 Sven

 Not being able to maximse the image window to full screen is a
 major waste of screen estate. All I'm talking about is sacrificing
 20 pixels' worth of height. If you don't want it there then switch
 it off. Besides, I'm not talking about *all* the possible toggles,
 just the useful and important ones. I started working on this
 yesterday. When I've finished I'll put together a presentation for
 the list to consider.


 Btw, does this list allow attachments. I tried sending this earlier
 with a screenshot of what I've got so far attached, but without
 success.

If you are making an enhancement request, with mock-ups of the 
itnerface, the correct thing to do is to open a bugzilla 
(bugzilla.gnome.org) entry for it, and attach your images in the bug 
entry.

Of course you can discuss the ideas, and invite people over to check 
your request for enhacment in this list and on the developers list.

JS
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Re: [Gimp-user] Save dialog: can I get some sort of history?

2005-05-10 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I am probably missing something.

Indeed.

 Where is this bookmark pane?

It is left to the file-list. In the Save dialog, it is hidden in the
Browse for other folders section but of course these bookmarks are
shared between Open and Save dialogs (in all GTK+ applications).


Sven
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[Gimp-user] image preview in file selection

2005-05-10 Thread Geoffrey
I thought I saw a thread on this before, but couldn't locate it via 
google or the archives.

With the new file selector, is it possible to have the thumbnail view 
that the previous file selector had?

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[Gimp-user] Re: Save dialog: can I get some sort of history?

2005-05-10 Thread Olivier Ripoll
Owen wrote:
On Sun, 08 May 2005 13:20:41 +0200
Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Is it possible to somehow have the Save dialog store this directory
iin some form of history, so I could easily select it?
There's the bookmarks pane on the left. You can add your directory
there for quick access.

I am probably missing something.
Where is this bookmark pane?
Have a look at this (old) screenshot of the open dialog.
http://developer.gimp.org/screenshots/gimp-open-dialog.png
The Save dialog is very similar (without the preview pane).
The bookmarks are on the left, under the Home, Desktop, Filesystem ... 
icons. You see an horizontal line, and folders that are in realioty 
bookmarks to folders. You can add and remove bookmarks with the add and 
remove buttons (the are active whem a folder is selected).

Of course, the first time (when creating the bookmark) you need to click 
on the Browse for other folders cross to access this view.

Best regards,
Olivier.
If I do File-Save as I get a dialogue box which allows me to save in
Home
Desktop
Filesystem
Mail?
or the directory where the image came from
The only way I can get to another directory is to navigate there, and 
navigate there every time.

Owen
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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: when even free advertising fails

2005-05-10 Thread Tom Williams
David Marrs wrote:

Easier for whom? the users or the developers?  Since there's only one 
GIMP set-up anyway, I don't see how it makes a difference; any 
suggestion I make is going to be a direct result of the default GIMP 
set-up that I'm using. I'm not biased by Photoshop, PSP or anything 
else, I'm just acutely aware of the user interface's short comings and 
I'm trying to address them.

Making GIMP newbies (which I'm not, btw) learn the interface until they 
get used to it only means that they'll get used to the GIMP's short 
comings, not that they'll go away. It's just the same as how Windows 
users put up with their interface, all the time forgetting how 
restrictive it is. When it's all you can see, it becomes normal. It's 
only after you come back to Windows after spending months away, using a 
different OS like Linux+Gnome, that you suddenly realise how poor 
Windows actually is. If Microsoft were trying to get users to migrate 
from GNU/Linux to Windows, they'd be out of business in weeks.

So I think you unwittingly hit the nail on the head with regard to the 
GIMP's problem: it insists that its users conform to its way of doing 
things instead of being malleable so that different users with different 
approaches can tailor it to suit their needs. Its approach obviously 
works for you, which is why you're happy with it. Just try to remember 
that your way isn't necessarily the *right* way.
I agree 100% with this, very well stated.  I think PhotoShop users suffer from 
this as well as they don't realize the PhotoShop way isn't necessarily the 
*right* way.

Great post!
Peace...
Tom
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[Gimp-user] feedback please

2005-05-10 Thread Jad Madi
what do you think guys 

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/jad/12975493/
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Nobody does it better [was Re: [Gimp-user] when even free advertising fails]

2005-05-10 Thread Alan Horkan

[please trim the subject line in your responses]

On Sun, 8 May 2005, Tom Williams wrote:

 Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 08:12:15 -0700
 From: Tom Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: gimp user gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu
 Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] when even free advertising fails

 Kalle Ounapuu wrote:
  The bug-tracker serves it's purpose, but you can't expect everyone to be 
  reading it over before making any comment about GIMP.

 I agree.  People use Gimp (or try to) and have a problem or criticism and post
 their feedback here instead of filing bug/enhancement reports or looking to 
 see
 what is already documented in Bugzilla, etc.

  Maybe there are GIMP users who would love everyone to drop Photoshop (or 
  whatever) and use GIMP.

 You know, I'm not sure this is really the case.  At least not based on
 discussion I've seen on this mailing list.  I think a lot of frustration stems
 from people slamming Gimp for simply not looking, feeling, behaving, or 
 tasting
 exactly like PhotoShop.  It's almost like if it's not PhotoShop, it's crap.

I think most users are frustrated by the gimp and less frustrated by
photoshop and the easiest way for them to express that is to make simple
comparisons rather than being able to suggest better ways to do things.

 The focus tends to be on what PhotoShop does that Gimp doesn't do and
 almost no mention is made of the things Gimp can do that PhotoShop
 can't.

What can the GNU Image Manipulation Program do that Adobe Photoshop cannot
do?  Please do tell.  I have recently pointed out that the gimp allows you
to have files with multiple layers in Indexed Mode and photoshop does not.
I would like to be able to expand on this list of things I know the gimp
can do better.

I would very sincerely be interested to know other things you can do with
the GNU Image manipulation program that cannot be done with other
software, particuarly things that cannot be done in Adobe Photoshop.

No need to go into the obvious well known issues of price, and Free
Software which although important have been discussed to death many times
before and are usually given as the best reasons for using the gimp (they
are very good reasons).

- Alan H.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop

2005-05-10 Thread Carol Spears
On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 03:08:08AM +, Kent Tong wrote:
 Carol Spears carol at gimp.org writes:
 
   -- Compare to PhotoShop, managing the layers is not that easy. You can 
   define
   layers to groups in Photoshop. You can even target an action to a group. 
   No
   group idea in GIMP.
   
  it is interesting that photoshop is considered to have better layers
  control than gimp.  if you use gimp more you will see who has the real
  control of them.
 
 Let's take an example. If in an image there are there is a toolbar at
 the top of it and some icons in a panel at the bottom. In Photoshop, one
 would have one layer for each tool in the toolbar and then group them
 to form a toolbar. Similarly, one would have one layer for each icon
 and then group them to form the panel. The benefit is, one can say
 move the whole toolbar or the panel easily.
 
the only examples i have are the art i was able to make with TheGIMP for
all of these years.  if you could provide for me how this layers thing
you ask for would improve this.  perhaps it would improve my
photography.  the best way to approach this is to show what the current
users can gain.

if you can show me an example of some gimp art that could have been
improved with this enhancement you ask for, it would be easier to
understand your need.

carol

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[Gimp-user] enlightenment traps ALT. what to do?

2005-05-10 Thread Tim Olsen
Hello.  

My window manager, enlightenment, is trapping ALT key presses.  I
would like to be able to set a vertical guide at point measured by the
measuring tool.  This is done by pressing ALT and clicking the mouse.

I've tried shift-ALT but it appears enlightenment is trapping that too.

Has anyone had this problem before?  How do I get around this?  

thanks,
Tim
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Re: [Gimp-user] Save dialog: can I get some sort of history?

2005-05-10 Thread Mikhail Ramendik
Sven Neumann wrote:

 It is left to the file-list. In the Save dialog, it is hidden in the
 Browse for other folders section but of course these bookmarks are
 shared between Open and Save dialogs (in all GTK+ applications).

Could one somehow make the browse for other folders section open by default?

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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: when even free advertising fails

2005-05-10 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

David Marrs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 So I think you unwittingly hit the nail on the head with regard to the
 GIMP's problem: it insists that its users conform to its way of doing
 things instead of being malleable so that different users with
 different approaches can tailor it to suit their needs. Its approach
 obviously works for you, which is why you're happy with it. Just try
 to remember that your way isn't necessarily the *right* way.

The GIMP doesn't insist on anything. It is an Open Source project.
This means that everyone is invited to help making it better. Noone
insists that GIMP should stay the way it is. The developers know very
well that there's a lot to improve.

That said, can we please stop this thread here and get back to doing
something constructive with our free time?


Sven
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Re: [Gimp-user] image preview in file selection

2005-05-10 Thread Michael Schumacher
 With the new file selector, is it possible to have the thumbnail view 
 that the previous file selector had?

How about trying it yourself? :)


HTH,
Michael

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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: when even free advertising fails

2005-05-10 Thread Carol Spears
On Sun, May 08, 2005 at 10:07:34PM +0100, David Marrs wrote:
 Carol Spears wrote:
 
 it would be better and easier to insist that people work with the
 default gimp set up before making suggestions about where to put the
 information.
 
 thanks,
 carol
  
 
 Easier for whom? the users or the developers?  Since there's only one 
 GIMP set-up anyway, I don't see how it makes a difference; any 
 suggestion I make is going to be a direct result of the default GIMP 
 set-up that I'm using. I'm not biased by Photoshop, PSP or anything 
 else, I'm just acutely aware of the user interface's short comings and 
 I'm trying to address them.
 
well it would be easier if you reorganized your approach to using
TheGIMP and this would be easier for you and for the gimp developers.

all i suggested was that you use the default set up before you start to
say where the information should be.

if you don't think this is easier for everyone, then we disagree.

carol

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