Re: [Gimp-user] splashscreen
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 2:48 AM, Julien Hardelin jm.h...@wanadoo.fr wrote: GIMP-2.7.3 splashscreen? I agree with you. Shocking! Call me a pervert, but now my curiosity is piqued... I wish I could see it :D -- Frank Gore www.ProjectPontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] splashscreen
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 3:19 AM, Ofnuts ofn...@laposte.net wrote: On 09/05/2011 08:54 AM, Frank Gore wrote: Call me a pervert, but now my curiosity is piqued... I wish I could see it :D http://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/plain/data/images/gimp-splash.png BAHAHA! That's AWESOME!!! -- Frank Gore www.ProjectPontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Advice
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 10:06 PM, goy genius goygen...@gmail.com wrote: Just do this: Ctrl+Space+Left Mouse = ZOOM IN Ctrl+Space+Alt+Left Mouse = ZOOM OUT IS IT HARD OR WHAT? Actually, I prefer this: + = zoom in - = zoom out (notice the complete lack of multiple keys/buttons involved, I can do this even if I only have 1 remaining finger to share between both hands) I find your observations petty and non-helpful to this mailing list. You're not asking for help, you're trying to impose someone else's manifesto on everyone else. Please don't clutter this friendly and helpful mailing list with your blind and narrow-minded demands. -- Frank Gore www.ProjectPontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Nasty website bundles GIMP with Adware/Spyware
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:04 PM, dh mesamoo...@comcast.net wrote: I see no mention of the GPL or links to download the source code for GIMP on that page (or on http://dl.gimp.us.com/) . If their installer is providing the executable from their own repository then they are supposedly required to do this. (Perhaps these links are available in the installer?) They are not providing a download. They are providing a link to an existing download. The whole web site does not actually DO anything except show misleading charts to users and offer up links to downloads they don't own. Further, they DO provide a link to the source code right there at the bottom of every page, and they clearly acknowledge the fact that Gimp is GPL'ed software. They don't pretend to have created it or have anything to do with its development. Near as I can tell, this site's sole purpose is to show up in search results and display ads to people. There's nothing illegal about that. -- Frank Gore www.ProjectPontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] I need to learn how to rotate the entire image
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 8:27 PM, FortKnox for...@gimpusers.com wrote: Is there any way to just rotate a rectangular image? I have often scanned in something that's not square, it's often a brochure that's taller than it is wide. But when I scanned it, I had turn it sideways to get the whole thing visible to the scanner. So it scans completely, but now I have an image of it that's not up is up-- I have up is right or up is left. But now I have to do all this junkbutter: 1) Look at the canvas size, 2) make the width height equal to the larger of the two, 3) use the Rotate tool to turn the image 90 degrees, then 4) do some magic to move the image to start at the upper-left, and 5) crop it back down to get rid of the blank space on the bottom. YUCKY! Is there some magic tool I haven't found yet that will rotate, move and crop all in one step? I just want to turn the entire image on it's side without any other fuss. Is that possible somehow? I have to assume it is, but I sure couldn't find it... thanks! Image - Transform - Rotate (direction) Rotates the entire image and canvas in one step. -- Frank Gore www.ProjectPontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Noise reduction
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Patrick Horgan phorg...@yahoo.com wrote: In your camera it's able to do a black shot to get the average noise of your sensors. That gives it a HUGE advantage. It can just subtract that from the image. Some of the sensor wells are always more noisy than others. You can do the same if you know a bit about graphics, take a few shots with your lens cap on in raw mode, get them on to your computer, make a noise mask with averaged values from each pixel, then subtract that from all your raw images. Surely there's someone's software that can do that already given the black images. Anyone? Black frame noise reduction only applies to long exposures for removing hot pixels. It does nothing beneficial to reduce high-ISO noise. -- Frank Gore www.ProjectPontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Noise reduction
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Mikael Ståldal mik...@staldal.nu wrote: Is there any better noise reduction filter for GIMP than the built in Wavelet Denoise? It does remove the noise, but also make the image a bit blurry. Try the GMIC plugin. There are 2 methods in that plugin that do a great job of noise reduction, but the options are so vast and complex, it's tough to know where to start. There are a couple of tutorials online that show you how to use GMIC specifically for noise reduction. Unfortunately I've misplaced those links. -- Frank Gore www.ProjectPontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Short book review: GIMP 2.6 Cookbook
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Mikael Ståldal mik...@staldal.nu wrote: I recently brought the book GIMP 2.6 Cookbook. So here I was, looking forward to a Gimp book review, and all I get is this tripe about BW illustrations... (as if that even matters). worst... book review... ever! -- Frank Gore www.ProjectPontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Levels hardly ever work
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 3:00 AM, Jeremy Nell jeremyn...@gmail.com wrote: a bunch of things Way to not answer any questions, send replies to the list that were never meant to be seen here, hype up your skills on some other software, and declare bugs to the world without justification! Very awesome stuff. -- Frank Gore www.ProjectPontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Layer versus selection
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Jeremy Nell jeremyn...@gmail.com wrote: If I make a selection (using, say, the Select Tool) and I want to flip it, for example, vertically, then wouldn't it be logical that I simply click on Layer Transform etc and it does what I want with the current selection? Currently, I have to make the selection float before being able to transform it. Why is that? Because the Layer menu gives you options that target a layer, not a selection on the layer. When you make your selection float, you'e essentially creating a new, temporary layer. -- Frank Gore www.ProjectPontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Release timeline
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Matt Hines matt.0...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know if there's any kind of release timeline for Gimp.. like when 2.8 will come out or if 2.7 even will? ouch... did you try the front page of the gimp.org web site? 3rd item down: Plans for 2.8 and beyond - 2011-01-11 2.7 is the development version of 2.8. That's the way Gimp has always been developed. The odd number is the development version that will become the final (even) number. 2.5 dev was released as 2.6 stable, 2.7 dev will become 2.8 stable, etc. -- Frank Gore www.ProjectPontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Windows XP - Service Pack?
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@gmail.com wrote: a rant Considering Gimp runs on so many systems, it's amazing how rarely these MS vs OSS flamewars occur on this mailing list. But that's all this is, a flamewar that has become completely unrelated to Gimp. Please everyone, keep your replies regarding this private. The whole list has no interest in reading them. -- Frank Gore www.ProjectPontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Merge linked layers
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:31 AM, Jeremy Nell jeremyn...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a way to merge linked layers in Gimp? I've never found a way. I just use the Merge Visible Layers action instead. Click on the visibility icon next to each layer to make only the linked ones visible, then use Merge Visible Layers. Same result, but a few extra clicks. -- Frank Gore www.ProjectPontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Merge linked layers
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Tőkés Ábel preobazsensz...@freemail.hu wrote: I imagine there can be a non-trivial problem with the concept if the linked layers are not all neighbors: if there is at least one layer that is not one of the linked, but between those. In this case, where would the merged layer be: above or below the middle one? Honestly, it should just be part of the default feature set in Gimp. I'm a bit shocked that it still isn't. -- Frank Gore www.ProjectPontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] looking for a new tool
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 12:32 PM, elven decker sail...@together.net wrote: Out of respect for a friend who suffered too many insults regarding a physical disability, I am switching to another image manipulation program with a more acceptable name. I have a friend with a small reproductive organ, and he needs Viagra to perform his duties as a husband. In protest of the perceived insult, I will never use Microsoft products again. -- Frank Gore www.ProjectPontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] OT - Having Problems Displaying Image Thumbnails
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote: My apologies for this OT post, but I need some help from an image expert, and I thought the Gimp list might have one or two. When I upload images from a friend's digital camera, a Java web app is not able to create thumbnails (they appear black with the title of the image in the image area). However, clicking on the missing thumbnail renders the full image. When I upload images from a different camera, the same app generates the thumbnail and also renders the full image. Is there a special setting that camera's have to have set to allow thumbnails to be created? Both file types are jpeg. I am not seeing any error messages from the app. Yep, definitely off-topic :p Those applications you mentioned probably aren't generating thumbnails. They're just using the existing thumbnail that's embedded in the file. Most cameras embed a thumbnail in the JPG file, some do not. Your friend's camera probably just doesn't have those thumbnails embedded. To keep this on-topic: Gimp and most other image editors have an option to include a thumbnail when saving a JPG file. I typically disable this option for web graphics to make the file size smaller. -- Frank Gore THE place to talk photography! www.friendlyphotozone.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] OT - Having Problems Displaying Image Thumbnails
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Ofnuts ofn...@laposte.net wrote: This is definitely not true... Try this: How ironic that an off-topic original question would go so wildly off-topic... -- Frank Gore THE place to talk photography! www.friendlyphotozone.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] About editing text layers
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 10:17 PM, tuthmosis for...@gimpusers.com wrote: Greetings ! Did i understand correctly ? If i create a text layer with the words Hello World and i wish to to make Hello bold and not World... with Gimp this would not be possible ! ( Which is counter intuitive even more for Photoshop users...) So i need to have Hello in one text layer and World in another one ?!!! Wow ! That's correct, as far as I know. The text editing function are due to receive a lot of work over the next development cycle, and I look forward to seeing this new functionality in action. -- Frank Gore THE place to talk photography! www.friendlyphotozone.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] A question that has never been asked....
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:08 PM, f...@gingerbreadday.com wrote: Who was the clever soul that came up with the name GIMP? Here are the definitions I found (1) a derrogatory term for someone that is disabled or has a medicial problem that results in physical impairment. (2) An insult implying that someone is incompetent, stupid, etc. Can also be used to imply that the person is uncool or can't/won't do what everyone else is doing. (3) Gnu Image Manipulation Program Maybe all three definitions are accurate :D I wonder what the authors of less and lame feel about their choice of name. -- Frank Gore Project Manager www.projectpontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] ?? Status of remembering Layers setting for Canvas Resizing -- in most recent version
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:12 PM, David Gowers 00a...@gmail.com wrote: +1 on this; It jars me momentarily every time I open this dialog and the setting is stuck to None instead of what I last selected. What's unfortunate is that most of the tools in the toolbox have the ability to have their default settings changed, but many of the dialogs do not. It would be nice if the Save tool options on exit feature from the preferences could be expanded to the dialogs too. But where does it stop? I often wish my filters remembered their settings, but I'm pretty sure that's beyond the control of the developers. -- Frank Gore Project Manager www.projectpontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] batch script red eye removal
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Wouter for...@gimpusers.com wrote: A long time ago I found a tutorial for Gimp on how to remove red eye by adding a layer with only the green and blue behind a picture and then selectively deleting the top layer with all RGB colours. I love this method, as it gives me great control and is very easy to do, but unfortunately it requires a lot of time-consuming steps. But... isn't there red-eye reduction right there in Gimp 2.6? Filters - Enahnce - Red Eye Removal -- Frank Gore Project Manager www.projectpontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Printing
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 3:40 AM, Norman Silverstone nor...@littletank.org wrote: I have had a perfectly good colour printer for some years but have concluded that, for good results and peace of mind at a reasonable cost, I send my photos to be commercially printed. I agree that there are reasonably priced printers readily available but the real cost of printing is in the ink and paper. For example, unless you leave your printer permanently switched, on every time you start the printer the procedure at start up uses ink. There are many other things that can happen such as clogged jets which are difficult to clean and also consume ink and, unless you buy really good quality inks which are expensive, you will probably never be really satisfied with the results. That's very debatable, and depends entirely on the outside lab you use to get your pictures printed. Most photo labs have printers that only cover the sRGB gamut or less. For example, all the cheap photo labs (ie. WalMart, Costco, local pharmacies) use commercial printers that don't even cover the full sRGB gamut. A 4x6 picture at these places is usually $0.15 or so, depending on taxes. Some higher end photo labs (Ritz Camera, Lord Photo, other camera retail outlets) have a printer that covers the AdobeRGB gamut, but their software and their lab techs only work in sRGB anyways. They have their workspace set to sRGB and they usually ignore any embedded colour space in your files. There's a 50/50 chance they'll either convert it to sRGB anyways (which minimizes the damage), or they'll assign an sRGB profile to your picture and ruin the colours in the process. I recently paid $0.29 at Ritz camera for a single 4x6, which is twice as much as the places I mentioned above. Of the professional photo labs, many only work in sRGB. Some work with AdobeRGB, but these tend to cost more. The result usually looks great, but they cost significantly more than the camera retail stores. I have to wait for them to be printed and mailed (more cost), then I have to get into my big V8 diesel pickup truck and drive to the mailbox to pick them up, thereby adding yet more cost. If I'm not happy with the results, too bad for me. Meanwhile, the high-end photo printers from Canon, HP, Epson et al cost very little initially, and they tend to cover an even wider colour gamut than AdobeRGB (closer to ProPhotoRGB in some cases). If I really care about a photo I'm printing, I can print it myself, see the results right away, and if I need to make any changes, I can do those right away and reprint immediately. This is a very nice luxury. If I have a bunch of pictures to print and their quality isn't important to me, I'll happily drive over to WalMart and use one of those self-serve kiosks. It's cheap, it's fast, and the pictures look fine in my opinion. Not stunning, just fine (as long as I converted them all to sRGB first and don't mind losing some of the colours). I can even justify the fuel cost. But if I have a stunning picture that I spent hours post-processing, I want the luxury of being able to print it myself. I want the widest colour gamut possible, I want complete control over the process, and I want to see it immediately. This is worth the extra cost for me, and I actually find it cheaper than working with the professional photo labs. -- Frank Gore Project Manager www.projectpontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Printing
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Dick Smith dsmit...@gmail.com wrote: Using GIMP 2.6, running on Ubuntu Linux, v9.10. The printer is an HP Photosmart C5180 on my home network. I have the hplip printing package installed. I've chosen Custom Sizes from the page setup options, choosing the C5180. The HPLIP is the latest version available. I've never been able to print custom sizes with my HP printer and HPLIP. Not with Gimp or anything else. Anything other than the printer's built-in formats results in either cups disabling the printer, or a messed-up output. My printer is not a photo printer, it's a business-class network laser printer, so I can't even print pictures because there are no built-in picture sizes available for me to choose from. This is despite the fact that my printer has a built-in card reader and a dedicated picture-printing function. I can't even select custom sizes on the printer itself, disregarding HPLIP altogether. I've been contemplating buying a picture printer specifically for making prints of my pictures without having to drive to the store all the time. -- Frank Gore Project Manager www.projectpontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Printing
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Norman Silverstone nor...@littletank.org wrote: Just a suggestion, have you tried using TurboPrint, a free trial is available? It may work and is much cheaper than a new printer. I'm one of those people who's a hard core open source user and sniffs disdainfully at any proprietary solution to achieve my means :) But I try not to impose these irrational beliefs on anyone else, especially on mailing lists and forums. I'd much rather saddle myself with a crappy, generic photo printer of dubious quality than try out software that might function perfectly well :) But in all seriousness, there are other reasons to get a photo printer. My Color LaserJet might be great for documents and graphics, but it sucks horribly at printing photos. It can't do border-less printing, its colour rendering is inferior, and it costs a fortune in toner. A great HP photo printer is only $140 or so and would give me better print quality than commercial photo printing companies. -- Frank Gore Project Manager www.projectpontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Printing
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Dick Smith dsmit...@gmail.com wrote: However, if the $140 printer won't print on linux, then there is lttle to be gained by purchasing one. I always check for proper Linux support first. There are very few HP printers that aren't perfectly supported under Linux. My Color LaserJet 2840 does everything in Linux flawlessly, from printing to faxing to scanning and even remote-initiated copies (wtf is the point of that, anyways?), all over the network. I couldn't even get it to do those things reliably under Windows. On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@gmail.com wrote: And if you ever have shootout comparing that HP to the others, from my experience an Epson ink squirter will be the last man standing. An old 4 color C82 made prints of weddings good enough to sell, with closer color matching than the so called pro who farms his stuff out to the custom lab in his local CVS. HP's red dye is way too orange to suit me. That's how they get the brightness, yes, but that isn't a true red no matter how much ink you soak the paper with. Sadly, the C82 finally burned out its head, so there is now an NX515 sitting here, but I need to do a bit of fine tuning, the drivers are a bit old too. That's interesting! I've been doing tons more photography lately, and Gimp has become a much more useful tool as a result. I'm definitely looking for something with good colour fidelity, so I'll have to check out the options. It's just hard to beat HP's Linux support. Even the printers they don't officially support (of which there are few) tend to work flawlessly anyways. I've been burned in this department before with cheap Lexmark printers. -- Frank Gore Project Manager www.projectpontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Mirror Image
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:47 PM, peter kostov g...@light-bg.com wrote: And have in mind that this will not be the same person in any way! Nobody is perfectly symmetrical (try this with your own photo) :( Even the most beautiful of us ;) I don't know about that... I'm extremely beautiful. -- Frank Gore Project Manager www.projectpontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] How to crop with defined aspect ratio ???
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 4:52 PM, helices heli...@helices.org wrote: When I'm editing an image and I want to crop that image so it will print 8x10 or 5x8 or whatever, I'm challenged by adjusting the selection box to exactly the right proportions. What am I missing? I usually use the Canvas Size option for that, and then reposition the picture within the scaled canvas before clicking Ok. But it's a bit tough to re-position the picture precisely because it looks so small in the dialog. I'd love to hear how others do it. I wish there was an interactive selection transform tool that I can use modifier keys with. -- Frank Gore Project Manager www.projectpontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] EXIF Data from RAW files
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Patrick Shanahan ptilopt...@gmail.com wrote: You fail to mention the versions of the binaries you are using to make your statement or who generated those binaries and whether the exif data function was even compiled into your binaries. I currently have Gimp 2.6.8. I've had the same issue with UFraw 0.15 and 0.16. I have exiftool 7.82-2.2. All of these binaries are from openSUSE 11.2. All EXIF data just vanishes when I open a RAW file from my Pentax K-7. But apparently it's not just UFraw/Gimp. Digikam does the same thing on my system, and it uses libraw 0.7.2 for its RAW conversion. I can see all the existing EXIF data in the RAW file by using exiv2, but it just doesn't get carried over when I process the RAW file. If I dump all EXIF, IPTC and XMP data to a text file, it becomes a 315 KB file. This is beyond aggravating. I'm not even sure where to start looking for the problem. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Create web page?
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Claus Cyrny claus.cy...@web.de wrote: In the very beginning, I used this document as a reference: http://www.lib.tsinghua.edu.cn/chinese/INTERNET/HTML/Table/html_design.html Oh wow, that brings back memories... you just made me feel real old. -- Frank Gore Project Manager www.projectpontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] EXIF Data from RAW files
All that awesome EXIF info in my RAW pictures that I'd like to keep. Does UFraw not pass it along, or does Gimp not collect it? It's REALLY ANNOYING!!! How do others deal with this? I'd love to hear solutions! -- Frank Gore Project Manager www.projectpontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Sharpness Values GIMP vs DPP
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Adam pho...@papettys.com wrote: My question would be, what is that equivalent to in GIMP. In DPP it was one slider, GIMP there seems to be a few options. I don't know anything about DPP, but my favourite sharpening filter lately for Gimp is Smartsharp. I like its results even better than Smart Sharpne in Photoshop CS2. I don't think it's included as part of the default Gimp package, I need to add it separately in openSUSE 11.2. -- Frank Gore Project Manager www.projectpontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] JPG file size increases with saving
But a much better and simpler idea is to just use a number range from 1..13, similar to photoshop. I'll take that over to the developer's list. I disagree, I think Photoshop's way of displaying the JPG compression slider is ridiculous. You can move the slider back and forth within a very wide range before the corresponding number changes. And since the slider doesn't spring back to a pre-determined spot on the line, that means one could select a different grade of level 8 depending on where the slider is positioned. You can actually see this by looking at the file size. If I select the lower range of level 8, the file is smaller than if I pick the higher range of level 8. This has always bugged me since the dawn of Photoshop (I started using it at version 4.0 back in 1997). I far prefer the Gimp method of displaying this setting. Is this any help, I came across it a long time ago? Here is a table that provides an approximate mapping between Photoshop quality levels and GIMP (actually IJG JPEG library) quality levels: Now that's awesome. I always wondered what the correlation was. And I always worried that Adobe was ignoring the subsampling aspect, now I know better. It's also interesting to see that they don't allow anything lower than 8...@2x2. -- Frank Gore Project Manager www.projectpontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes
So I moved upstream and asked about this on the LittleCMS mailing list. From what the users and devs there were able to figure out, there is no ICC profile embedded in my camera's JPG and TIF files. In fact, DSLR cameras do not embed an ICC profile at all. The Digital Camera File system (DCF) specification explicitly states that color profile information should be specified as part of the EXIF metadata. There's a whole series of tags in a digital camera's file which defines which colorspace should be used to interpret it. It's not just ColorSpace, but others as well all taken together. So again, this goes back to the application level, and not the color management library. If the application (in this case Gimp) was properly DCF-aware, then it would detect the proper color profile that's specified in the image file. So... is this the right mailing list for this discussion, or do I need to subscribe to the Dev mailing list? Here are the relevant emails from the LittleCMS mailing list. On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Larry Reeve la...@polybytes.com wrote: The first image is in DCF Colorspace. This can be seen from the following entries in the EXIF: Color Space:Uncalibrated WhitePoint X: 0.31 WhitePoint Y: 0.33 Chromaticity Red(X):0.64 Chromaticity Red(Y):0.33 Chromaticity Green(X): 0.21 Chromaticity Green(Y): 0.71 Chromaticity Blue(X): 0.15 Chromaticity Blue(Y): 0.06 YCbCrCoefficient 1: 0.30 YCbCrCoefficient 2: 0.59 YCbCrCoefficient 3: 0.11 A DCF aware application sees this information and processes the image accordingly (which means use an Adobe RGB profile). On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Larry Reeve la...@polybytes.com wrote: LCMS does not have anything to do with the color space defined in the EXIF block of a JPEG file. There is no embedded profile. It is up to the application using LCMS to evaluate the color space definitions in the EXIF and take the action to load and use an Adobe RGB profile if it is needed. The DCF Optional Color Space (see paragraph 6.2 of of JEITA CP-3461 Design rule for Camera File system DCF Version 2.0) defines the values that should alert an application to take this action: Color Space:Uncalibrated WhitePoint X: 0.31 WhitePoint Y: 0.33 Chromaticity Red(X):0.64 Chromaticity Red(Y):0.33 Chromaticity Green(X): 0.21 Chromaticity Green(Y): 0.71 Chromaticity Blue(X): 0.15 Chromaticity Blue(Y): 0.06 YCbCrCoefficient 1: 0.30 YCbCrCoefficient 2: 0.59 YCbCrCoefficient 3: 0.11 -- Frank Gore Project Manager www.projectpontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes
HAH! All of this has been a long-standing bug: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=492048 -- Frank Gore Project Manager www.projectpontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 3:32 AM, Milan Knížek knizek.co...@volny.cz wrote: I would assume that GIMP does not care about tags, just looks for any embedded profile. But the developers would have to confirm it. Upon further research, I just noticed there are two major versions of the ICC specification, 2.x and 4.x. Does Gimp support both? Does it support the latest? (4.2) -- Frank Gore Project Manager www.projectpontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Color Management Woes
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:26 AM, David Gowers 00a...@gmail.com wrote: Don't you think that would be very tiresome? Most images have no ICC profile attached; in this case, sRGB is indeed implied. Producing images that are not sRGB but have no ICC profile attached is wrong (more precisely, it's a miscommunication, saying that the image is sRGB when it's not. ). Nope, I wouldn't find that tiresome at all. Many other applications have an option to allow just that. When I edit a file in Digikam, I have it set so that if there's no color profile detected, it asks me what the source color profile should be and whether or not to convert it to my default working space. This is neither tiresome nor annoying. If I did find it tiresome, I could just turn that off and have it use a default profile (like sRGB) for the source file when none is detected. As far as I'm concerned, this is just part of having proper color management in my workflow. I appreciate your situation of needing to correct the profile here, OTOH, have you considered using tools like imagemagick and jpegicc to detect the camera it came from and then attach an appropriate profile. this would allow you to assign profiles automatically in large batches. IMO this is much less painful all around. That would add a bunch more steps to my workflow, and it would only work on this computer. I frequently have to work on other people's computers with files straight from the camera (and other people's cameras), and Gimp is the only cross-platform tool I have that does what I need. BTW, I just checked the exif information on those JPEGs and both have no EXIF information. So it does look indeed like the profile data is stored in some custom format; there may even be no profile per se stored, just a reference to or description of one. Sorry, those were links to the version of the pictures as displayed by Picasa, which has the metadata stripped. The direct download links are as follows: Adobe RGB: http://lh6.ggpht.com/_HAZjMzZWrtc/S05qkb7KkYI/BCw/oPJ80XXYH-Y/d/_GOR3359.JPG sRGB: http://lh3.ggpht.com/_HAZjMzZWrtc/S05qk1yxBOI/BC0/5kXGfiIIF7s/d/GORE3360.JPG There's a LOT of metadata, Pentax fills in more metadata than I thought existed. On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Milan Knížek knizek.co...@volny.cz wrote: How about the filenames? AdobeRGB image starts with _ (underscore). Yes, the link to the Adobe RGB file I posted is named _GOR3359.JPG and the sRGB one is named GORE3360.JPG As I stated in my original post, the sRGB image has the EXIF tag Color space set as sRGB. The Adobe RGB picture has that same EXIF tag set as Uncalibrated. That's how it comes right out of the camera. Changing it to Adobe RGB does not change anything. Gimp still doesn't detect the color space properly and still assumes it's sRGB. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Color Management Woes
I've been pulling my hair out trying to figure out color management in Gimp. In the preferences, I clearly have File Open Behaviour set to Ask what to do. My working profile is sRGB, and so is my Monitor profile. I have Display rendering intent set to Relative colorimetric. Yet, everytime I open an image, Gimp never asks me what to do about the color profile. It always assumes sRGB, even if the embedded color profile is Adobe RGB or ProPhoto or whatever else. I always have to manually assign the right color profile after the file has been opened. Further, when I go to assign a color profile, I have to know in advance what the profile of that image was. Gimp doesn't tell me. It lets me change to whatever profile I want, but it won't let me know which one is embedded in the image. Sometimes, the color profile is not listed in the EXIF data at all, which makes it harder to guess. For example, when my camera is set to Adobe RGB, it leaves the EXIF Color space field set to Unassigned. Is this normal Gimp behavior? It's making color management a real nightmare and giving me all kinds of headaches. I sometimes receive images in many different color spaces and I don't always know which ones. Some people love working in ProPhoto because it makes them feel all 1337 and superior. Others send me stuff in Adobe RGB because that's what their printing company requires. I try to stick to sRGB whenever possible, but it's not always ideal. I hope someone can help me with this issue. I have Gimp 2.6.8 on openSUSE 11.2 x86_64. It's a backport from the Gnome OBS repository. -- Frank Gore Project Manager www.projectpontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 6:21 PM, David Gowers 00a...@gmail.com wrote: That sounds very much like it is attached in a non-standard way. Actually, you're entirely right. If I assign an Adobe RGB profile to the picture, then save it, and re-open it, THEN it asks me what to do with the color profile, just like I expected it to. Apparently the original file has the profile embedded in some different manner. However, [big-brand commercial application] has no trouble determining what the color space should be, even with the original files. On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 6:23 PM, David Gowers 00a...@gmail.com wrote: Also.. does that mean that you go to the 'Color profile' section of Image Properties and it says nothing / is blank? Nope, it says it's sRGB. Regardless of what it SHOULD be, it always says sRGB (until I assign a different color space manually). This is wrong. The files I'm working with right now are from my Pentax K-7 DSLR. The JPG and TIF files it produces apparently have the color profile embedded in a weird way, thereby keeping Gimp from seeing it. Now I don't know how weird it is, since every commercial application I've used has had no problems with it so far. It's only Gimp and Digikam that are giving me trouble. -- Frank Gore Project Manager www.projectpontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Frank Gore g...@projectpontiac.com wrote: As I mentioned, all the commercial applications I've tried had no problems determining the appropriate color space for these files. It's only open source tools that are unable to, including Gimp. So is this a bug? Or is Pentax really that crazy with their file formats? They can't be that crazy if commercial applications have no trouble with the files. Someone mentioned I should perhaps post examples of these files, and that's a fine idea. Wish I'd thought of it sooner. These were taken at seriously-reduced megapixels in the interest of file size. I figured the file format was more important than the quality of the picture. Here's one straight from my K-7, in Adobe RGB: http://picasaweb.google.ca/lh/photo/Wc8Lq42A20qRxDoTj1dNRQ?feat=directlink And here's another one in sRGB, taken immediately after the above: http://picasaweb.google.ca/lh/photo/c7_78WNLRXvEgHnmb6QM4g?feat=directlink Both can be downloaded in full by using the Download link -- Frank Gore Project Manager www.projectpontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:43 PM, David Gowers 00a...@gmail.com wrote: We don't know if their formats are crazy. But they certainly appear to be undocumented. Until they are documented, or someone reverse-engineers them, we are unlikely to gain support for them in open-source software. (OTOH, it could just be attached in the metadata. EXIF / IPTC support is not complete yet.) ok... but why is Gimp assuming sRGB? Even if the color profile is attached in some bizarre non-standard manner, Gimp should detect NO color profile and ask me about it when I open the file. Isn't that how it's supposed to work? That's what other applications do, for example Digikam/showFoto. -- Frank Gore Project Manager www.projectpontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
