Re: [Gimp-user] A question that has never been asked....
Op 03-04-10 18:35, Bob Smits schreef: > On April 1, 2010 02:34:37 pm Chris Mohler wrote: > >> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 4:08 PM, wrote: >> >>> Who was the clever soul that came up with the name GIMP? >>> >> Not this again :( This has been discussed to death already. >> >> > Sure it has. But unless the developers stop getting defensive about this > unfortunate choice, anyone coming afresh on the name will find it offensive > on > it's face. > > I know it's short for Gnu Image Manipulation Program, and that no one > intended > any offense, but until the name is changed this discussion will recur - at > least once every several months. It's up to you. > > Well, anyone... when there are only native English speakers left on the planet. Until then, to me - from the Netherlands - and many others it's not offensive at all. Jogchum Reitsma ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: Completely off every imaginable topic;)
Op 18-01-10 19:01, Programmer In Training schreef: > On 1/18/2010 8:53 AM, Robert L Cochran wrote: > >> I top post. >> >> I don't think it helps to beat on people for their posting styles. It >> helps simply to respond to the issue under discussion. >> >> Bob >> > > > The problem with top posting, a problem no one seems to understand > despite it being so simple, is that top-posting BREAKS THE NORMAL > READING BEHAVIOR OF EVERY SINGLE HUMAN ON THE PLANET! We don't read from > bottom to top, it's top to bottom. > > With top posting you read the solution before you ever learn what the > problem was. Also, not editing out information you aren't directly > responding to wastes bandwidth (whether or not broadband penetration is > high in your country (US is ranked 17th for broadband penetration) is of > no concern). It wastes bandwidth and takes up extra, unnecessary room on > a users computer or in their mail account. > > <...> > I always try to adhere to nettiquette standards, so I will try not to top-post. But I always completely disagree with the reasons given for it. Of course, if someone reads a complete thread at once, the argument given mostly is correct: you read the original post first, and the following posts after that in sequence. So than top-posting makes clumsy reading indeed. But that' s not how at least *I* read messages on the many mailing lists I follow. When new postings to an existing thread arrive in my mailbox, I have read the postings prior to that post already earlier, so I don' t have to read them again. For me, scrolling down all the previous postings is a waste of time and energy. And frustrating, to be honest... Same goes for snail mail: all the letters that came in yesterday and before are on a stack already, and the new letters that come in today go on top of that. So not for every single human on the planet top-posting breaks the normal reading behaviour (unless, of course, I'm not considered a human being on this planet :-)) Again, I will adhere to nettiquette, but I felt I should give some counter-arguments. By the way, the GIMP is a great program! regards, Jogchum Reitsma > > > > ___ > Gimp-user mailing list > Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU > https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user > ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp Manual format.
Sven Neumann schreef: > Hi, > > On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 21:35 +0200, Jogchum Reitsma wrote: > > >> Seems a perfect solution, be it that in my case (Suse 11.1), the first >> make fails with >> <...> >> >> Any idea what that might be? >> > > Your installation of the Docbook tools is incomplete. The make rules > explicitly disable the use of non-local style-sheets (that's what > --nonet does), so you need to have a complete Docbook/XML installation > locally. > > > Sven > That did it. Thanks Sven, thanks Owen! Jogchum ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp Manual format.
Sven Neumann schreef: > Hi, > > On Thu, 2009-06-18 at 11:05 -0400, Jay Smith wrote: > > >> I know nothing of the workflow that results in the current HTML manual >> format. It would seem to me that producing one or more other formats >> should come out of that same workflow. >> > > Indeed. The manual is written in Docbook/XML and you can get a variety > of output formats from that source. If you checkout the gimp-help-2 > repository from git.gnome.org (I suggest to do a shallow clone due to > the immense size of the project), then you will get the Docbook/XML > sources, the images and a build system that spits out HTML and > optionally PDF or ODF. > > Here's what I did to get a PDF version of the english user manual: > > git clone --depth=0 git://git.gnome.org/gimp-help-2 > cd gimp-help-2 > ./autogen.sh > LINGUAS=en make > LINGUAS=en make pdf-local > > And to check the result: > > pdfinfo pdf/en/gimp.pdf > > Title: GNU Image Manipulation Program > Subject: > Keywords: > Author: > Creator:DBLaTeX-0.2.10-1 > Producer: pdfTeX-1.40.3 > CreationDate: Thu Jun 18 23:57:05 2009 > ModDate:Thu Jun 18 23:57:05 2009 > Tagged: no > Pages: 849 > Encrypted: no > Page size: 595.276 x 841.89 pts (A4) > File size: 39395416 bytes > Optimized: no > PDF version:1.4 > > > Sven > > > ___ > Gimp-user mailing list > Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU > https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user > Hi, Seems a perfect solution, be it that in my case (Suse 11.1), the first make fails with *** Making html for en ... /usr/bin/xsltproc \ --nonet \ --xinclude \ --stringparam l10n.gentext.default.language en \ -o html/en/ \ stylesheets/plainhtml.xsl \ xml/en/gimp.xml I/O error : Attempt to load network entity http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/xhtml/chunk.xsl warning: failed to load external entity "http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/xhtml/chunk.xsl"; compilation error: file stylesheets/plainhtml.xsl line 8 element import xsl:import : unable to load http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/xhtml/chunk.xsl make[1]: *** [html/en/index.html] Fout 5 The URL is accessable in a browser, so that's not the problem. Any idea what that might be? regards, Jogchum ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Use of Move tool
Jogchum Reitsma schreef: > I feel kinda stupid to have to ask this question, because it seems so > very basic... But I can't figure it out myself (and didn't find it in > the documentation or mail archive), so I hope to get help here. > > I've got a drawing consisting of a photo, a color-filled ellips, and two > lines of text. Each of these four objects is a seperate layer. > > Now I want to move one of the two lines of text. So I select that layer, > make an ellips-selection around the line of text (which is the sole > object on that layer; running ants are around the line of text), choose > the Move tool and within the Move tool choose Move Selection. > > Now I would expect that I can move this line of text by holding the > mouse above this textline and dragging it to the desired place. > > But that's not what happens. Only the elliptical path which marks the > selection moves, nothing else... > > What do I do wrong, and how can I perform this so very basic task? > > Thanks a lot for your help! > > regards,Jogchum > > ___ > Gimp-user mailing list > Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU > https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user > > > Forgot to tell: I'm using Gimp 2.4.5 from the Suse 10.3 repositories Jogchum ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Use of Move tool
I feel kinda stupid to have to ask this question, because it seems so very basic... But I can't figure it out myself (and didn't find it in the documentation or mail archive), so I hope to get help here. I've got a drawing consisting of a photo, a color-filled ellips, and two lines of text. Each of these four objects is a seperate layer. Now I want to move one of the two lines of text. So I select that layer, make an ellips-selection around the line of text (which is the sole object on that layer; running ants are around the line of text), choose the Move tool and within the Move tool choose Move Selection. Now I would expect that I can move this line of text by holding the mouse above this textline and dragging it to the desired place. But that's not what happens. Only the elliptical path which marks the selection moves, nothing else... What do I do wrong, and how can I perform this so very basic task? Thanks a lot for your help! regards,Jogchum ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] ANNOUNCE: GNU Image Manipulation Program 2.2.0
Sven Neumann schreef: Hi, the GIMP developers are proud to release version 2.2 of the GNU Image Manipulation Program. About nine months after version 2.0 hit the road, we have completed another development cycle and can bring a new stable GIMP to our user's desktops. Hi all developers, Maybe, between all the critical remarks and questions, it's time again to thank you all for this magnificent work. The criticism will stay: to try and make Gimp even better, and the questions will stay too: because we like to -use- Gimp so much. But: thanks again! kind greetings, Jogchum ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Where to put help?
Michael Schumacher schreef: Jogchum Reitsma wrote: I'm afraid I have to confirm John's problem: there simply is no file called gimp-2.0.pc on my system. So the question is IMHO not how to direct configure to the place the file is on disk (there is no such place) but where that file can be found on the internet. It's obviously not in our gimp-2.0 distribution (in my case, the Gimp-version comes with my Suse 9.2 distro. Could it be that the problem lies in the fact that Suse uses the RPM package manager? Maybe there is a seperate gimp-dev (or libgimp-dev) package? BTW, could you please fix your quoting? Thank you. HTH, Michael That's it! Thanks! Btw: this quoting better? kind greetings, Jogchum ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Where to put help?
Sven Neumann schreef: Hi, John Culleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: OK the instructions say run ./configure and ./configure fails because it can't find a file called gimp-2.0 pc. I searched my disks (several versions of Gimp laying around) and no such file exists. gimp-2.0.pc is installed into $prefix/lib/pkgconfig. It's a standard thing that a lot of software packages use these days. Please consider to read the pkg-config man-page to learn more about it. The man-page will also explain you how to use the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable to point pkg-config to .pc files that are not in the default I'm afraid I have to confirm John's problem: there simply is no file called gimp-2.0.pc on my system. So the question is IMHO not how to direct configure to the place the file is on disk (there is no such place) but where that file can be found on the internet. It's obviously not in our gimp-2.0 distribution (in my case, the Gimp-version comes with my Suse 9.2 distro. Could it be that the problem lies in the fact that Suse uses the RPM package manager? search path. Perhaps I am using the wrong tarball. When you go to the site and look for help files all you can find is a directory called "test" or "testing" which holds about 5 different versions of help files. I picked out the most recent one, 2.05 Yes, there's no final gimp-help-2 tarball yet. The help authors don't think their work is ready for general consumption yet. The best solution of course would be to have the help files integrated with the Gimp package itself. That is the way most packages work. Failing that, a help tarball in parallel to the current stable version and with explicit instructions on installation (i.e. where) would be most helpful. Sure. As soon as the manual is released by the people writing it, we will include instructions as how to install it. If you want to make this happen earlier, consider to join the gimp-help-2 team. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user thanks for any answer! kind greetings, Jogchum Reitsma ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Tiff-library not found for gimp 2.2
Carol Spears wrote: On Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 07:09:40PM +0100, Jogchum Reitsma wrote: Frankly, I did read INSTALL, and also that section, but didn't think the solution offered there would bring me luck. But after your reply I did export LDFLAGS="-L/usr/local/lib" before running configure. there is a script that sets many of these things for you so that the build will go smoothly. http://www.gimp.org/source/howtos/gimpenv type "source gimpenv" with the term you will use to build gimp and other /usr/local/ things and many of the details are taken care of. i use my personal copy to set the CVSROOT as well. carol Carol, Thanks for your info. But after following your advice, the result is the same... By the way, since my distro - SuSE 9.2 - installs gimp-2.0 somewhere in /opt/gnome, I take the standard /usr/local for installing gimp 2.2. kind greetings, Jogchum ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Tiff-library not found for gimp 2.2
Hi, Sorry, just after I sent my previous posting I realized I should have added that I indeed checked /etc/ld.so.conf. Indeed /usr/local/lib is in there, and only after checking this I ran ldconfig. I'll try Carol's hint tomorrow - going to bed now. thanks again, greetings, Jogchum Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, But after your reply I did export LDFLAGS="-L/usr/local/lib" before running configure. This is what configure says: checking for TIFFReadScanline in -ltiff... no checking for TIFFWriteScanline in -ltiff... no checking for TIFFFlushData in -ltiff34... no configure: WARNING: *** TIFF plug-in will not be built (TIFF library not found) *** configure: error: *** Checks for TIFF libary failed. You can build without it by passing *** --without-libtiff to configure but you won't be able to use TIFFs then. Does your linker look into /usr/local/lib at all? If you install libraries there, you either have it in /etc/ld.so.conf and updated your linker cache or you set LD_LIBRARY_PATH, didn't you? Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Tiff-library not found for gimp 2.2
Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, Jogchum Reitsma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I did a ./configure on the gimp-2.2 source (not the CVS-line), and it complained about not finding the TIFF-library. So I downloaded that (v. 3.70), compiled and installed it (the libraries install in /usr/local/lib) and ran ldconfig. Still ./configure doesn't find it. What am I doing wrong? You forgot to read INSTALL, in particular the section that is titled "When ./configure fails on plug-ins". Sven Hi, Thanks for your quick reply. Frankly, I did read INSTALL, and also that section, but didn't think the solution offered there would bring me luck. But after your reply I did export LDFLAGS="-L/usr/local/lib" before running configure. This is what configure says: checking for TIFFReadScanline in -ltiff... no checking for TIFFWriteScanline in -ltiff... no checking for TIFFFlushData in -ltiff34... no configure: WARNING: *** TIFF plug-in will not be built (TIFF library not found) *** configure: error: *** Checks for TIFF libary failed. You can build without it by passing *** --without-libtiff to configure but you won't be able to use TIFFs then. There are no more references to libtiff in the output from configure, as far as I can see. Maybe I installed the wrong version of libtiff? Mine is 3.7.0: /usr/local/lib reads among other: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2004-11-26 14:46 libtiff -> libtiff.3.7.0* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2004-11-26 14:46 libtiff.3 -> libtiff.3.7.0* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 700919 2004-11-26 14:46 libtiff.3.7.0* -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 981630 2004-11-26 14:46 libtiff.a -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root783 2004-11-26 14:46 libtiff.la* I don't need the tiff-library myself, so I could give --without-libtiff to configure. But since testing is my object, it would be nice to have it included. Thanks, Jogchum ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Tiff-library not found for gimp 2.2
Hi, I did a ./configure on the gimp-2.2 source (not the CVS-line), and it complained about not finding the TIFF-library. So I downloaded that (v. 3.70), compiled and installed it (the libraries install in /usr/local/lib) and ran ldconfig. Still ./configure doesn't find it. What am I doing wrong? Thanks, Jogchum Reitsma ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Drawing a line...
I have a problem in simply drawing a line in an existing .png-file... I have loaded the file (a map of a village in .png-format), and I have been able to add two lines of text to it with the text-tool. This tool created two extra layers. I also want to add some straight lines to the image with the 'sharp pencil'-tool, but I seem unable to do so. I select the tool , and the coursor shape appears correct in the drawing. But when I try to really draw a line by pressing the left button of my mouse, nothing happens (except the cursor disappearing while I press the mouse button). If I press the Shift-button while pressing the left mouse button, I see a line between the two points, as expected, but as soon as I releive the mouse button the line disappears. I have added a special layer for it, but that doesn't help too. I've selected the whole image on the original layer, but also nothing. I tried several other thing, nothing. When I make a completely new image, the sharp pencil do what I expect from it. I use Gimp 2.0, on SuSE Linux 9.0. What do I do wrong? Any help appreciated! kind greetings, Jogchum Reitsma ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
