Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-17 Thread Frank Gore
HAH! All of this has been a long-standing bug: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=492048 -- Frank Gore Project Manager www.projectpontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/lis

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-17 Thread Frank Gore
So I moved upstream and asked about this on the LittleCMS mailing list. From what the users and devs there were able to figure out, there is no ICC profile embedded in my camera's JPG and TIF files. In fact, DSLR cameras do not embed an ICC profile at all. The Digital Camera File system (DCF) speci

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-16 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 1/16/10, Frank Gore wrote: > Upon further research, I just noticed there are two major versions of > the ICC specification, 2.x and 4.x. Does Gimp support both? Does it > support the latest? (4.2) Upon even further research you would find out that GIMP doesn't care about that, because this is

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-16 Thread Frank Gore
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 3:32 AM, Milan Knížek wrote: > I would assume that GIMP does not care about tags, just looks for any > embedded profile. But the developers would have to confirm it. Upon further research, I just noticed there are two major versions of the ICC specification, 2.x and 4.x. D

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-16 Thread Milan Knížek
Frank Gore píše v Pá 15. 01. 2010 v 17:12 -0500: > But this begs the question, what does Gimp use to determine the > embedded color profile? The EXIF data, or something else? Because even > if I change that tag from "Uncalibrated" to "Adobe RGB", it still > doesn't change how Gimp treats it. > Aga

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-15 Thread Milan Knížek
Frank Gore píše v St 13. 01. 2010 v 18:20 -0500: > > In any case, like I mentioned in my original post, I specifically have > it set to "Ask what to do" in the Preferences, and it doesn't ask. > I agree with you, it is definitely a bug. GIMP should not assume that JPEG is in sRGB colour space whe

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-15 Thread Milan Knížek
Frank Gore píše v Čt 14. 01. 2010 v 21:35 -0500: > Sorry, those were links to the version of the pictures as displayed by > Picasa, which has the metadata stripped. The direct download links are > as follows: > I thought your camera would be very unusual to provide JPEGs w/o metadata... > Adobe R

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-14 Thread Tom Williams
Frank Gore wrote: > Sorry, those were links to the version of the pictures as displayed by > Picasa, which has the metadata stripped. The direct download links are > as follows: > > Adobe RGB: > http://lh6.ggpht.com/_HAZjMzZWrtc/S05qkb7KkYI/BCw/oPJ80XXYH-Y/d/_GOR3359.JPG > > sRGB: > http://

[Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-14 Thread Frank Gore
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:26 AM, David Gowers <00a...@gmail.com> wrote: > Don't you think that would be very tiresome? > Most images have no ICC profile attached; in this case, sRGB is indeed > implied. Producing images that are not sRGB but have no ICC profile > attached is wrong (more precisely,

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-14 Thread Milan Knížek
David Gowers píše v Čt 14. 01. 2010 v 18:56 +1030: > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Frank Gore wrote: > > color profile and ask me about it when I open the file. Isn't that how > > it's supposed to work? That's what other applications do, for example > > Digikam/showFoto. > In digiKam, the user

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-14 Thread David Gowers
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Frank Gore wrote: > On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:43 PM, David Gowers <00a...@gmail.com> wrote: >> We don't know if their formats are crazy. >> But they certainly appear to be undocumented. Until they are >> documented, or someone reverse-engineers them, we are unlike

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-13 Thread Frank Gore
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:43 PM, David Gowers <00a...@gmail.com> wrote: > We don't know if their formats are crazy. > But they certainly appear to be undocumented. Until they are > documented, or someone reverse-engineers them, we are unlikely to gain > support for them in open-source software. >

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-13 Thread David Gowers
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Frank Gore wrote: > On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Frank Gore wrote: >> As I mentioned, all the commercial applications I've tried had no >> problems determining the appropriate color space for these files. It's >> only open source tools that are unable to, inc

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-13 Thread Frank Gore
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Frank Gore wrote: > As I mentioned, all the commercial applications I've tried had no > problems determining the appropriate color space for these files. It's > only open source tools that are unable to, including Gimp. > > So is this a bug? Or is Pentax really tha

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-13 Thread Frank Gore
I just tested this with other Pentax cameras. So far, files from the K-7, K20D and K-x all open in Gimp without asking me to specify color profile, and they all incorrectly default to sRGB. All these images DO have an Adobe RGB profile embedded. But those are the only cameras I can check with that

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-13 Thread Michael J. Hammel
On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 18:34 -0500, Frank Gore wrote: > On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 6:21 PM, David Gowers <00a...@gmail.com> wrote: > > That sounds very much like it is attached in a non-standard way. > > Actually, you're entirely right. If I assign an Adobe RGB profile to > the picture, then save it,

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-13 Thread Michael J. Hammel
On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 18:20 -0500, Frank Gore wrote: > But the problem is that it doesn't convert when I open the file. It > just assumes the picture is in sRGB and interprets the color space > that way. Have you ever seen the colors of a file in Adobe RGB that's > incorrectly interpreted as sRGB?

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-13 Thread Frank Gore
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 6:21 PM, David Gowers <00a...@gmail.com> wrote: > That sounds very much like it is attached in a non-standard way. Actually, you're entirely right. If I assign an Adobe RGB profile to the picture, then save it, and re-open it, THEN it asks me what to do with the color profi

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-13 Thread David Gowers
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Frank Gore wrote: > I've been pulling my hair out trying to figure out color management in Gimp. > > In the preferences, I clearly have "File Open Behaviour" set to "Ask > what to do". My working profile is sRGB, and so is my Monitor profile. > I have "Display rend

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-13 Thread Frank Gore
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Michael J. Hammel wrote: > I'm no expert about this so my wild-ass guess is that it doesn't ask > because there is nothing to do.  Consider that the working profile is > what a file *HAS* to be converted to or else you can't open it.  If the > file has an Adobe RGB

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-13 Thread Michael J. Hammel
On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 17:46 -0500, Frank Gore wrote: > In the preferences, I clearly have "File Open Behaviour" set to "Ask > what to do". My working profile is sRGB, and so is my Monitor profile. I'm no expert about this so my wild-ass guess is that it doesn't ask because there is nothing to do.

[Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-13 Thread Frank Gore
I've been pulling my hair out trying to figure out color management in Gimp. In the preferences, I clearly have "File Open Behaviour" set to "Ask what to do". My working profile is sRGB, and so is my Monitor profile. I have "Display rendering intent" set to "Relative colorimetric". Yet, everytime