Re: [Gimp-user] export vs save

2013-02-18 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 6:49 AM, Daniel Hauck wrote: I have certain doubts that you understand the point of free (as in speech) software. The reason for my doubts is because you keep talking about the character of the giver. The giver/taker dichotomy is, frankly, artificial. GIMP isn't a

Re: [Gimp-user] export vs save

2013-02-18 Thread Kevin Brubeck Unhammer
Burlen Loring blor...@lbl.gov writes: I'm sure the author(s) feels that it's the best thing since sliced bread, however, differentiating between save and export in newer gimp is a ridiculous waste of time. it's so annoying and in efficient that I feel the need to chime in against it and

Re: [Gimp-user] export vs save

2013-02-18 Thread R Kimber
On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 09:37:25 +0100 Kevin Brubeck Unhammer wrote: 2) use this plugin which implements the old way within GIMP: http://www.shallowsky.com/software/gimp-save/ 3) use the GIMP fork GIMB which reverts the change completely: https://github.com/mardy/gimb ... but if so don't

Re: [Gimp-user] export vs save

2013-02-18 Thread Psiweapon
Heh, I've mostly adapted to the new ways - PRAISE BE TO OUR SAVIOR THE EXPORT COMMAND! I AM NO LONGER A HEATHEN BROTHERS! but it's still *very fun *to see this Smug Developers Vs. The Stupid Backlash that Wouldn't Die movie franchise unfold in countless installments. My main problem with the

Re: [Gimp-user] export vs save

2013-02-18 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Psiweapon wrote: My main problem with the export faith is that now, one does not simply overwrite into a PNG image after enabling transparency. Could you please elaborate on that? Ideally, in a bug report to bugzilla.gnome.org. May the glorious Sikking emanate

Re: [Gimp-user] export vs save

2013-02-18 Thread maderios
On 02/18/2013 02:09 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Jeffery Small j...@cjsa.com wrote: When a major UI change like this is contemplated, why would it not be implemented as a configuration switch which can be turned on/off on the Preferences menu? In this particular case,

Re: [Gimp-user] export vs save

2013-02-18 Thread maderios
On 02/18/2013 09:37 AM, Kevin Brubeck Unhammer wrote: Burlen Loring blor...@lbl.gov writes: I'm sure the author(s) feels that it's the best thing since sliced bread, however, differentiating between save and export in newer gimp is a ridiculous waste of time. it's so annoying and in efficient

Re: [Gimp-user] export vs save

2013-02-18 Thread Cristian Secară
În data de Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:45:55 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine a scris: Assign Ctrl+S to the save/export clean (python plugin), [...] End of problem. It is not end of problem: the python plugin is not translated, so it does not offer a unitary experience for non-english users :p Cristi --

Re: [Gimp-user] export vs save

2013-02-18 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Cristian Secară wrote: În data de Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:45:55 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine a scris: Assign Ctrl+S to the save/export clean (python plugin), [...] End of problem. It is not end of problem: the python plugin is not translated, so it does not

Re: [Gimp-user] export vs save

2013-02-18 Thread maderios
On 02/18/2013 03:45 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 6:35 PM, maderios wrote: I use everyday save-export-clean.py plugin. Its' different from gimp-2.6 and other image editors like Krita, Digikam Showfoto, etc.. behavior. It becomes complicated because you get 5 options :

Re: [Gimp-user] export vs save

2013-02-18 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 7:13 PM, maderios wrote: Assign Ctrl+S to the save/export clean (python plugin), and you have a single option. End of problem. Done since a long time And so the problem is...? Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org

Re: [Gimp-user] export vs save

2013-02-18 Thread Michael Schumacher
Von: maderios mader...@gmail.com 3) These developers have created gimp according to their own practice. Have a look at http://gui.gimp.org/index.php/GIMP_UI_Redesign While I wouldn't say that the team are no developers, they probably aren't by your definition. Your problem is that this team

Re: [Gimp-user] export vs save

2013-02-18 Thread maderios
On 02/18/2013 04:45 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote: Von: maderios mader...@gmail.com 3) These developers have created gimp according to their own practice. Have a look at http://gui.gimp.org/index.php/GIMP_UI_Redesign While I wouldn't say that the team are no developers, they probably aren't

Re: [Gimp-user] export vs save

2013-02-18 Thread Olivier
2013/2/18 maderios mader...@gmail.com: On 02/18/2013 04:45 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote: Von: maderios mader...@gmail.com 3) These developers have created gimp according to their own practice. Have a look at http://gui.gimp.org/index.php/GIMP_UI_Redesign While I wouldn't say that the

Re: [Gimp-user] export vs save

2013-02-18 Thread Michael Schumacher
Von: maderios mader...@gmail.com On 02/18/2013 04:45 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote: Von: maderios mader...@gmail.com 3) These developers have created gimp according to their own practice. Have a look at http://gui.gimp.org/index.php/GIMP_UI_Redesign While I wouldn't say that the

Re: [Gimp-user] export vs save

2013-02-18 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Sorry, madeiros, but when you write maderios wrote: When you edit many kinds of files, jpeg, png, xcf, tiff, gif, etc..., you can't spend your time to watch and remember which kind of file you're working on. I'm not buying in. Knowing what the final result will be used for is a critical

Re: [Gimp-user] export vs save

2013-02-18 Thread Christen Anderson
It would be interesting to know how many list messages by Maderios are on this old, worn-out topic. Please, everyone, complaining is getting you nowhere and is annoying the rest of us who actually have more productive things to do. Surely there's a way to block certain email addresses from

Re: [Gimp-user] export vs save

2013-02-18 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Christen Anderson wrote: It would be interesting to know how many list messages by Maderios are on this old, worn-out topic. The first post I have from Maderios happens to be on this topic in August, 2012. Since then, he has made 91 posts, which on a cursory review, most, if not all, seem to

Re: [Gimp-user] import vs open

2013-02-18 Thread Liam R E Quin
Is it time to have Import for non-xcf files? How about * File-Open filters to *.xcf* by default; attempting to open a non-xcf file brings up a message, myfile.jpg is not an XCF file. Would you like to import it? * File-Import behaves as open as layers today, unless the image is not dirty, in

Re: [Gimp-user] export vs save

2013-02-18 Thread bruno
On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 11:26:37 -0700, Christen Anderson wrote: It would be interesting to know how many list messages by Maderios are on this old, worn-out topic. Please, everyone, complaining is getting you nowhere and is annoying the rest of us who actually have more productive things to

Re: [Gimp-user] export vs save

2013-02-18 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Noel Stoutenburg mjol...@ticnet.com [02-18-13 14:03]: Christen Anderson wrote: It would be interesting to know how many list messages by Maderios are on this old, worn-out topic. The first post I have from Maderios happens to be on this topic in August, 2012. Since then, he has made 91

Re: [Gimp-user] import vs open

2013-02-18 Thread Chris Mohler
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net wrote: * File-Open filters to *.xcf* by default; attempting to open a non-xcf file brings up a message, myfile.jpg is not an XCF file. Would you like to import it? Current File-Open makes sense as it is, at least to me. After a

Re: [Gimp-user] export vs save

2013-02-18 Thread Daniel Hornung
I can't believe this was not brought up by someone already... https://xkcd.com/1172/ (Or my mail search function is broken, which is possible) -- Mein öffentlicher Schlüssel / My public key: 4096R/600ACB3B 2012-04-01 Fingerabdruck / Fingerprint: 9902 575B B9A0 C339 CFDF 250B 9267 CA6B 600A

Re: [Gimp-user] export vs save

2013-02-18 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:54 AM, Daniel Hornung wrote: I can't believe this was not brought up by someone already... https://xkcd.com/1172/ (Or my mail search function is broken, which is possible) It is broken. Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org

Re: [Gimp-user] export vs save

2013-02-18 Thread Psiweapon
lmao On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:54 AM, Daniel Hornung wrote: I can't believe this was not brought up by someone already... https://xkcd.com/1172/ (Or my mail search function is broken, which

Re: [Gimp-user] import vs open

2013-02-18 Thread Øyvind Kolås
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 4:06 AM, Chris Mohler cr33...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net wrote: * File-Open filters to *.xcf* by default; attempting to open a non-xcf file brings up a message, myfile.jpg is not an XCF file. Would you like to import

Re: [Gimp-user] import vs open

2013-02-18 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Mon, 2013-02-18 at 14:06 -0600, Chris Mohler wrote: Current File-Open makes sense as it is, at least to me. File-Save made sense to people too. But if GIMP is an XCF editor that can only save xcf files, being able to open non-xcf files is an obvious bug, a hole in the metaphor. It should

Re: [Gimp-user] import vs open

2013-02-18 Thread Richard Gitschlag
From: l...@holoweb.net To: cr33...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 22:09:30 -0500 CC: gimp-user-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] import vs open Or I wasn't clear, I think. It's not really clean vs. dirty, but whether the canvas is new and unused and empty. E.g. try this in a