Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Default mode for file dialog

[Sven Neumann]

Hi,

I had a look at the source and the file entry does indeed behave
differently whether it is in Open or Save mode. After thinking about
it a little, this even makes sense. If the entry would complete like
it does in the Open dialog, it would be hard to enter filenames that
match the first few chars of existing ones. Not sure if there's a way
to improve this situation. You should discuss this with Federico.


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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Default mode for file dialog

[Sven Neumann]

Hi,

Akkana Peck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I might be missing something.  When should I hit the tab key?
>
> For instance, if I have a bunch of existing files called
> gimptxt-[0-7].jpg and I want to save this one as gimptxt-8.jpg.  I
> type gim, and the dropdown pops up.  If I hit tab now, nothing
> different happens -- the dropdown disappears for a second then comes
> back, and nothing new is added to the filename in the text field.

Hmm, I discussed this with Federico a while ago and he showed me how
to do it. Yesterday before writing this mail, I tested it and it
worked correctly. But it appears that I tested this in the Ctrl-L
dialog of the Open dialog. It works correctly there, but I can't get
that behaviour in the Save dialog right now. Interesting...


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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Default mode for file dialog

[Akkana Peck]

Sven Neumann writes:
> > Naming conflicts in files are another reason I frequently expand
> > the dialog.  I often save successive images to similar names. 
> > For instance, I might have lesson6-step1.jpg, lesson6-step2.jpg,
> > lesson7-step1, etc.  The autocomplete in the dialog will only
> > complete up up to the first conflict, and after that, my choices are:
[ ... ]
> You missed the obvious choice:
> 
> - hit the Tab key to autocomplete (just like in the old dialog)

I might be missing something.  When should I hit the tab key?
For instance, if I have a bunch of existing files called
gimptxt-[0-7].jpg and I want to save this one as gimptxt-8.jpg.
I type gim, and the dropdown pops up.  If I hit tab now, nothing
different happens -- the dropdown disappears for a second then comes
back, and nothing new is added to the filename in the text field.

Sven Neumann writes:
> A list of last-used directories would probably help to solve your
> problem. Did you suggest this as an enhancement request for GTK+ yet?

I haven't, because it would still be an awkward solution.  I'd have
to do the same thing I described for similar filenames: select a
last-used directory with a similar name, hit return, then edit the
name to get the name of the new directory.  And if the list was in
most-recently-used order, which would make sense from a design
standpoint, that would actually make it more difficult for my most
common usage: I'd probably have a last-used list that was out of
order (lesson9, then lesson8, then lesson10, then lesson6) which
would be awkward to read and navigate.

If you added a last-used list, I'd probably use it sometimes; but
most of the time I'd probably just end up typing the whole filename
rather than switching to the mouse to choose the directory, then back
to the keyboard to edit the directory and finish typing the filename.

...Akkana
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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Default mode for file dialog

[Sven Neumann]

Hi,

Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Thanks. That did at least allow me to locate the spec again:
>
>  http://www.newplanetsoftware.com/xds/
>  http://rox.sourceforge.net/xds.html
>
> Even though this page claims that GTK+ and KDE would support this
> protocol, to my knowledge this is not the case. I might be wrong but
> if I am not, then implementing XDS in GIMP doesn't make much sense
> since for the waste majority of our users, there will be nothing to
> drag the files to.

Well, for the fun of it, I've added XDS support to GIMP now. Anyone
who's using ROX or any other XDS capable desktop / file manager, might
want to try latest CVS and give feedback.

Perhaps if the nautilus and konqueror developers get to know of this
change in GIMP, they will consider to add support for XDS as well...


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Drag and Drop Saving [was Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Default mode for file dialog]

[Alan Horkan]

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Pasi Savolainen wrote:

> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 23:22:00 + (UTC)
> From: Pasi Savolainen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu
> Subject: [Gimp-user] Re: Default mode for file dialog


> Slightly OT:
> I'd very much like some kind of drag'n'drop saving that could work by
> dragging image to folder on desktop. (Dragging 'Active image' preview
> from toolbox could do the trick?).

The suggestion going round has been that the icon included in the window
decoration would become a drag target and dragging it to the desktop would
save it.  This was just one idea put forward, I dont know if there is even
a bug report for it yet and (although I'm only guessing) I wouldn't expect
it to be available all that soon.

Sincerely

Alan Horkan

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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Default mode for file dialog

[Sven Neumann]

Hi,

Jeffrey Brent McBeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Take a look at the ROX people.  They were the ones pushing Direct Save.

Thanks. That did at least allow me to locate the spec again:

 http://www.newplanetsoftware.com/xds/
 http://rox.sourceforge.net/xds.html

Even though this page claims that GTK+ and KDE would support this
protocol, to my knowledge this is not the case. I might be wrong but
if I am not, then implementing XDS in GIMP doesn't make much sense
since for the waste majority of our users, there will be nothing to
drag the files to.


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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Default mode for file dialog

[Sven Neumann]

Hi,

Akkana Peck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> "Favorites" or "Bookmarks" that were always visible would help some
> of the time, but not all of the time: I can't bookmark every
> directory where I ever save images, so I tend to bookmark the
> top of a hierarchy, then navigate down within that hierarchy.
> Navigating down is hard in this dialog (it's easy if directory
> names are unique, but not if there are any name conflicts) and
> usually I end up just typing the whole subdirectory path and
> hoping I don't mistype.

A list of last-used directories would probably help to solve your
problem. Did you suggest this as an enhancement request for GTK+ yet?


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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Default mode for file dialog

[Sven Neumann]

Hi,

Akkana Peck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Naming conflicts in files are another reason I frequently expand
> the dialog.  I often save successive images to similar names. 
> For instance, I might have lesson6-step1.jpg, lesson6-step2.jpg,
> lesson7-step1, etc.  The autocomplete in the dialog will only
> complete up up to the first conflict, and after that, my choices are:
> - type out the whole "6-step2.jpg" part (with the old dialog,
>   I could have typed 6 and not had to type "-step.jpg");
> - arrow down through the list until I get to a file with a
>   similar name (and then hit return, reminding myself that return in
>   this case doesn't actually save to the name I chose, only loads
>   that name into the text field and I'll still be able to edit it; I
>   have a hard time making myself hit return in a save as dialog when
>   I'm pointed at a file that already exists and I don't want to
>   overwrite); or
> - expand the dialog, scroll down, and click on one of the existing
>   filenames so that I can edit it.

You missed the obvious choice:

- hit the Tab key to autocomplete (just like in the old dialog)


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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Default mode for file dialog

[Jeffrey Brent McBeth]

On Fri, Mar 25, 2005 at 01:11:16AM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote:

> There used to be a spec proposing a DND enhancement called Direct Save
> or XDS. I have not been able to locate that again but this is
> something that the file manager handling the desktop would have to
> implement. If there is a widely adopted standard for this, we will add
> support for it.

Take a look at the ROX people.  They were the ones pushing Direct Save.
Those apps they have gotten to work wonderfully.

http://rox.sf.net

Jeff

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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Default mode for file dialog

[Akkana Peck]

(Regarding needing to expand the Save As dialog to show directories:)

Pasi Savolainen writes:
> I keep original photos in a separate directory tree. After modifying
> them with gimp, they're saved in a folder of my choice. Which happens to
> be never the one I open image from (and which is suggested in
> save-dialog), so it's wrong every single time.

I'm in the same situation as Pasi.  I often open an image wherever
it originally lives, then after I make a change, save to to whatever
working directory I'm using.  I guess a better model now would be
to go to a shell and cp the file to the new location before touching
it with gimp, but with 2.0 and 1.x it was no problem, so I got in
the habit of staying within gimp for the whole job.

> It could be 'easily' remedied by showing some kind of a list with
> 'favourite' targets. It does have that, but it's collapsed along with

"Favorites" or "Bookmarks" that were always visible would help some
of the time, but not all of the time: I can't bookmark every
directory where I ever save images, so I tend to bookmark the
top of a hierarchy, then navigate down within that hierarchy.
Navigating down is hard in this dialog (it's easy if directory
names are unique, but not if there are any name conflicts) and
usually I end up just typing the whole subdirectory path and
hoping I don't mistype.

Naming conflicts in files are another reason I frequently expand
the dialog.  I often save successive images to similar names. 
For instance, I might have lesson6-step1.jpg, lesson6-step2.jpg,
lesson7-step1, etc.  The autocomplete in the dialog will only
complete up up to the first conflict, and after that, my choices are:
- type out the whole "6-step2.jpg" part (with the old dialog,
  I could have typed 6 and not had to type "-step.jpg");
- arrow down through the list until I get to a file with a
  similar name (and then hit return, reminding myself that return in
  this case doesn't actually save to the name I chose, only loads
  that name into the text field and I'll still be able to edit it; I
  have a hard time making myself hit return in a save as dialog when
  I'm pointed at a file that already exists and I don't want to
  overwrite); or
- expand the dialog, scroll down, and click on one of the existing
  filenames so that I can edit it.

The last frequently ends up being easiest -- though it's still harder
than autocomplete with the old dialog, since it requires the mouse.

...Akkana
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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Default mode for file dialog

[Sven Neumann]

Hi,

Pasi Savolainen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I'm not Philip, but:
> I keep original photos in a separate directory tree. After modifying
> them with gimp, they're saved in a folder of my choice. Which happens to
> be never the one I open image from (and which is suggested in
> save-dialog), so it's wrong every single time.
> It could be 'easily' remedied by showing some kind of a list with
> 'favourite' targets. It does have that, but it's collapsed along with
> dirtree. It would be immensely more useful if some of those favourites
> would be program-specific (in this case, The GIMP).

The list of favorites is in the combo-box you get in the uncollapsed
part of the save file-chooser. You can add your favorite directories
there by opening the folder view and dragging your favorite image
folders to the left pane.

We could think about adding a way to add gimp-specific favorites
there. That would however preferably be handled by the GTK+ widget.

> I'd very much like some kind of drag'n'drop saving that could work
> by dragging image to folder on desktop. (Dragging 'Active image'
> preview from toolbox could do the trick?).

There used to be a spec proposing a DND enhancement called Direct Save
or XDS. I have not been able to locate that again but this is
something that the file manager handling the desktop would have to
implement. If there is a widely adopted standard for this, we will add
support for it.


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[Gimp-user] Re: Default mode for file dialog

[Pasi Savolainen]

* Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi,
>
> Philip Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> How do I set the default mode for the file dialog. I have to expand
>> the dialog every time I use it, and it is getting a little annoying.
>
> I'd like to know why you have to expand it every time you use it. If
> you can show that this is indeed needed, then we would have to do
> something about it. The collapsed parts of the dialog are supposed to
> be only rarely used.

I'm not Philip, but:
I keep original photos in a separate directory tree. After modifying
them with gimp, they're saved in a folder of my choice. Which happens to
be never the one I open image from (and which is suggested in
save-dialog), so it's wrong every single time.
It could be 'easily' remedied by showing some kind of a list with
'favourite' targets. It does have that, but it's collapsed along with
dirtree. It would be immensely more useful if some of those favourites
would be program-specific (in this case, The GIMP).


Slightly OT:
I'd very much like some kind of drag'n'drop saving that could work by
dragging image to folder on desktop. (Dragging 'Active image' preview
from toolbox could do the trick?).



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