Re: [GO] sequels/series
There is a web site that lists 19th century American girls' series - it is http://www.readseries.com. There is a chart that gives at least 30 different authors of series books. In the 20th century there were the Connie Blair books by Betsy Allen (Betty Cavanna), in which the heroine acts as amateur detective in a series of mysteries. For anyone keen on the Nancy Drew series and the Stratemeyer Syndicate,there's an interesting book called 'The Mysterious Case of Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys, by Carole Kismaric and Marvin Heiferman, published by Simon & Schuster in 1998 Christine - Original Message - From: "Nicky Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [GO] sequels/series - Original Message - From: "Ellen Jordan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 7:40 AM Subject: Re: [GO] sequels/series Pam writes: I wondered when book sequels & series first became common? . . .Series feature largely in GO fiction - was there anything much before Alcott / Montgomery / Oxenham series & Brazil's pairs? Ellen suggested The earliest I can think of at the moment are The Fairy Bower and The Lost Brooch by Harriett Mozley, both published in 1841. Charlotte Yonge saw them as the inspiration for the whole genre of books for girls. I've not read Sandford and Merton but the publication dates are 1783-1789 so I assume it was published in several volumes. I don't think we are ever going to come up with an official 'earliest sequel' ! There's also Through the Looking Glass which hasn't been mentioned. There's also Leila books of the 1840s (the first is 1839, the second 1842 - I've been looking through Gillian Avery !). But I think American children's writers have always been more series conscious - as well as Alcott, there's Katy and Elsie. And there has never been a British equivalent to the Stratmeyer (sp) syndicate books - the nearest is some of the story papers which would draft in subsitute authors when the main one was on holiday. I don't own the Phantom Friends guide to series but IIRC that includes quite a few nineteenth century books. Nicky -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] sequels/series
- Original Message - From: "Ellen Jordan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [GO] sequels/series > > I have just pulled from the shelf two tiny little books with > marbled-paper covers that I'd almost forgotten I had. One is called > "Frank/In Four Parts/PartIII/ Eighth of the Series of Early Lessons by > Maria Edgworth" and is dated 1803. The other is Frank Part IV. I'm not > sure if her Harry and Lucy stories (mentioned I think in Little Men) > began as a series, but according to Copac they were issued as Practical > Education in 1780, and the Copac lists suggest she went on writing > others to follow. > > I'm not so sure about Sandford and Merton being a series, though. Copac > lists a number of copies in libraries with the date 1783, and then a > 1790 "fifth edition, corrected". There was also an abridged edition > "embellished with elegant plates" published in 1790, but no suggestion > of anything that could be seen as a sequel. > According to the DNB it "was published in three volumes (1783, 1786, and 1789), it tells how rebellious Tommy Merton, the spoilt son of a wealthy plantation owner from Jamaica, and his friend Harry Sandford, the poor but worthy son of a local farmer, are patiently educated by the Revd Mr Barlow-and how Master Tommy is brought, by precept and self-discovery, to see the error of his ways." I don't know enough about 18th century publishing to know whether each volume is complete in itself - I would assume so.but don't know for sure. Has anyone read the book ? It was still being read at the end of the 19th century (I think there's a joke in Three Men in a Boat about a very good boy being nicknamed Sandford and Merton). Probably a lot of early novels that we think of as complete were actually published in more than one part (see Little Women/Good Wives which are thought of as all one book in the US though they were definitely published as two) I remembered Edgeworth but I'm not sure if that is the same thing. Aren't the individual Harry and Lucy stories all self-contained short stories (I like some of her children's stories enormously especially The Little Merchants, set in Italy and the Frank and Rosamund stories. Alcott was a big fan - Lazy Laurence, used as a chapter heading in Good Wives, comes from Edgeworth). Interestingly the DNB article on her hardly mentions her children's stories at all. I would have thought that insofar as she is remembered now, it is because she is discussed in histories of children's literature, rather than for her adult fiction which may be influential but probably isn't read except by those doing university courses on The Early Novel. Perhaps she needs an Andrew Davies adaptation to get her on the map again. You can find some of her stories at http://www.gutenberg.net/etext/3655 including The Barring Out which is a famous early boarding school story. Sadly though I can't find The Purple Jar which is probably her most famous story. Nicky -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] sequels/series
Yes Nicky is right. If one broadens the category to children's books more generally, one can find examples of series/sequels even back in the 1780/1810 period. I have just pulled from the shelf two tiny little books with marbled-paper covers that I'd almost forgotten I had. One is called "Frank/In Four Parts/PartIII/ Eighth of the Series of Early Lessons by Maria Edgworth" and is dated 1803. The other is Frank Part IV. I'm not sure if her Harry and Lucy stories (mentioned I think in Little Men) began as a series, but according to Copac they were issued as Practical Education in 1780, and the Copac lists suggest she went on writing others to follow. I'm not so sure about Sandford and Merton being a series, though. Copac lists a number of copies in libraries with the date 1783, and then a 1790 "fifth edition, corrected". There was also an abridged edition "embellished with elegant plates" published in 1790, but no suggestion of anything that could be seen as a sequel. Ellen Jordan University of Newcastle Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] sequels/series
Ellen said: >Charlotte Yonge herself was a great one, if not exactly for series, at >least for linked novels. The first in her group was Scenes and >Characters published in 1847, but over the years she kept introducing >characters from one book into another until by the time she wrote Modern >Broods in 1900 the characters from a large number of her major novels >had become related to one another by marriage So THAT'S where EJO got her ideas from!!! Pam K -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
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I ought to qualified 'girls' school stories' by 'British and Commonwealth' at some point - while the American girls' school story is very interesting (and, given 'What Katy Did at School', very important for the development of the British genre), the Book, and my knowledge, is mostly confined to these islands and our old Empire. Sue -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] sequels/series
In a message dated 14/11/2004 04:02:21 GMT Standard Time, Pam writes:
>I've just finished watching UK terrestrial TV's premiere of 'Bridget Jones'
Diary' and noted the links between it and 'Pride & Prejudice' (didn't spot
the plot links on my first viewing at the cinema - doh!!). Anyway, given BJD
has a sequel ('Edge of Reason'), although P & P doesn't, I wondered when
book sequels & series first became common? I know the Bible & Shakespeare
have several, but I meant in modern (20th century) fiction - especially
children's stuff. Series feature largely in GO fiction - was there anything
much before Alcott / Montgomery / Oxenham series & Brazil's pairs?<
I can't help on girls' stuff generally, but as far as girls' school stories
are concerned, I think the prototype in that genre is Raymond Jacberns
(you're looking at late 19th/early 20th here): she - it was a pseudonym -
doesn't
have a series quite in the modern sense, where a set of girls are followed
through their school career, but she does follow up individuals and schools in
various books, and there is a definite sequence. If you're looking for pairs,
L.T.Meade is the earliest I've discovered so far: A World of Girls has a
sequel. There may well be earlier pairs/series, but I don't know of them, and
would be glad of any contributions here for the second edition of The Book
(GGBP are planning a paperback edition).
Sue
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Re: [GO] sequels/series
- Original Message - From: "Ellen Jordan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 7:40 AM Subject: Re: [GO] sequels/series > Pam writes: > > I wondered when book sequels & series first became common? . . .Series > feature largely in GO fiction - was there anything much before Alcott / > Montgomery / Oxenham series & Brazil's pairs? Ellen suggested > The earliest I can think of at the moment are The Fairy Bower and The > Lost Brooch by Harriett Mozley, both published in 1841. Charlotte Yonge > saw them as the inspiration for the whole genre of books for girls. > I've not read Sandford and Merton but the publication dates are 1783-1789 so I assume it was published in several volumes. I don't think we are ever going to come up with an official 'earliest sequel' ! There's also Through the Looking Glass which hasn't been mentioned. There's also Leila books of the 1840s (the first is 1839, the second 1842 - I've been looking through Gillian Avery !). But I think American children's writers have always been more series conscious - as well as Alcott, there's Katy and Elsie. And there has never been a British equivalent to the Stratmeyer (sp) syndicate books - the nearest is some of the story papers which would draft in subsitute authors when the main one was on holiday. I don't own the Phantom Friends guide to series but IIRC that includes quite a few nineteenth century books. Nicky -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] sequels/series
Pam writes: I wondered when book sequels & series first became common? . . .Series feature largely in GO fiction - was there anything much before Alcott / Montgomery / Oxenham series & Brazil's pairs? The earliest I can think of at the moment are The Fairy Bower and The Lost Brooch by Harriett Mozley, both published in 1841. Charlotte Yonge saw them as the inspiration for the whole genre of books for girls. Charlotte Yonge herself was a great one, if not exactly for series, at least for linked novels. The first in her group was Scenes and Characters published in 1847, but over the years she kept introducing characters from one book into another until by the time she wrote Modern Broods in 1900 the characters from a large number of her major novels had become related to one another by marriage. On the other hand I can only think of three examples of specific sequels, and the only set that could really be called a series were her Langley School stories, first begun in the 1840s, abandoned for many years, and then resurrected in the 1880s and featuring a new generation of the same families in the same village. Ellen Jordan University of Newcastle Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] sequels/series
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From: "kirkhead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 12:19 AM
Subject: [GO] sequels/series
> I've just finished watching UK terrestrial TV's premiere of 'Bridget
Jones'
> Diary' and noted the links between it and 'Pride & Prejudice' (didn't
spot
> the plot links on my first viewing at the cinema - doh!!). Anyway,
given BJD
> has a sequel ('Edge of Reason'), although P & P doesn't, I wondered
when
> book sequels & series first became common? I know the Bible &
Shakespeare
> have several, but I meant in modern (20th century) fiction -
especially
> children's stuff. Series feature largely in GO fiction - was there
anything
> much before Alcott / Montgomery / Oxenham series & Brazil's pairs?
>
> Pam
>
The Fairchild Family was published in c1820 and part two appeared 20
years later (presumably by popular demand because kids just can't get
enough of evangelising over rotting corpses). Non-GO there's Robinson
Crusoe which has a largely forgotten sequel where he goes to Russia. Or
CM Yonge - she must be the queen of the nineteenth century sequel.
Nicky
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[GO] sequels/series
I've just finished watching UK terrestrial TV's premiere of 'Bridget Jones'
Diary' and noted the links between it and 'Pride & Prejudice' (didn't spot
the plot links on my first viewing at the cinema - doh!!). Anyway, given BJD
has a sequel ('Edge of Reason'), although P & P doesn't, I wondered when
book sequels & series first became common? I know the Bible & Shakespeare
have several, but I meant in modern (20th century) fiction - especially
children's stuff. Series feature largely in GO fiction - was there anything
much before Alcott / Montgomery / Oxenham series & Brazil's pairs?
Pam
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