Re: [GKD] Digital Divide vs. Social Divide.

2002-04-15 Thread Dr. Perry Morrison
Chris Bragg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > While I think there is a real value to the observation that many > development projects stray on the wrong side of the 80/20 rule in an > effort to ensure maximum value from the project, I cannot agree that the > factors effecting decision making are in an

Re: [GKD] Digital Divide vs. Social Divide.

2002-04-12 Thread BBracey
In a message dated 4/8/02 7:53:32 PM, Don Cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I do not see quantity of time spent on a computer as necessarily having > any particular significance to a students future prospects, (unless it > is truly miniscule, or the student fully intends to complete tertiary

Re: [GKD] Digital Divide vs. Social Divide.

2002-04-09 Thread Debra Amidon
Dear GKD Members, What a splendid conversation...loaded with insights and from so many different parts of the world: East meets West; North meets South! In short, we are all wrestling with the same problem/opportunity...and it is NOT about technology - well, not directly. Instead, it is about th

Re: [GKD] Digital Divide vs. Social Divide.

2002-04-09 Thread Chris Bragg
Greetings to all, While I think there is a real value to the observation that many development projects stray on the wrong side of the 80/20 rule in an effort to ensure maximum value from the project, I cannot agree that the factors effecting decision making are in any way different from one comm

Re: [GKD] Digital Divide vs. Social Divide.

2002-04-09 Thread Profitinafrica
Luis Eliecer has introduced the idea that ICT is only a means to an end, and not an end in itself. Alec Leggat brings in the practical view of how this is reflected in the assessments of the radio work getting done in South Africa supported by the Panos Institute. I have an even more fundamental

Re: [GKD] Digital Divide vs. Social Divide.

2002-04-08 Thread Cornelio Hopmann
Dear GKD Members, At some point in this discussion, the question was raised whether those with access are yielding. I 'connected' Nicaragua to the Internet (blue node in 1989, online 1993) and I'm doing know -13 years later- a global eReadiness study, among others to evaluate how far we've gotte

Re: [GKD] Digital Divide vs. Social Divide.

2002-04-08 Thread Don Cameron
There is an interesting diversity of opinions on this issue, and may I add another to the 'pot'. I do not see quantity of time spent on a computer as necessarily having any particular significance to a students future prospects, (unless it is truly miniscule, or the student fully intends to compl

Re: [GKD] Digital Divide vs. Social Divide.

2002-04-08 Thread Alec Leggat
Dear GKD Members, I'm glad to see that Yacine's intervention has opened up the debate somewhat to include a consideration of the role of ICTs in society. However, I think it's still important to point out the need to not be technologically deterministic when considering the role of ICTs in societ

Re: [GKD] Digital Divide vs. Social Divide.

2002-04-04 Thread Luis_Eliecer_Cadenas_M
I wouldn't like to have our political "statement" focused exclusively or almost exclusively in the DD issue. ITC could be a great tool for development, but it must be kept as a tool. If we talk all the time about the DD we can miss the point. We must give an answer and an opportunity to the disadv

Re: [GKD] Digital Divide vs. Social Divide.

2002-04-04 Thread Daniel Bassill
When someone says "Most American children have computer access at school", it causes me to ask a follow up question. If a school has 1000 students, how many hours per day at the computer does each student have? What ratio would be considered "access". Kids who have a computer at home that they ca

Re: [GKD] Digital Divide vs. Social Divide.

2002-04-04 Thread John Hibbs
At 10:50 AM -0500 04/03/02, Lolita A.Wood-Hill wrote: > One set is being taught how to make the computer work for them (able to > program it for their own purposes), the other set is being prepared to > use that same computer as a glorified typewriter for the purpose of > being a white collar wor

Re: [GKD] Digital Divide vs. Social Divide.

2002-04-03 Thread Daniel Bassill
Kevin Rocap wrote: > How are those with privileged access wielding that privilege? This to me > is a key, virtually unasked question. It's a topic I address daily via dozens of email letters sent through various networks and via web sites that show where youth and families who are economically is

Re: [GKD] Digital Divide vs. Social Divide.

2002-04-03 Thread John Lawrence
To Yacine: It is hard to disagree with your pithily expressed frustration, or sharp definition of the social schisms underlying the 'digital divide' (DD) however I would suggest there is some political utility in keeping these two words as a sort of quick shorthand.. if it can focus the attent

Re: [GKD] Digital Divide vs. Social Divide.

2002-04-03 Thread Lolita A.Wood-Hill
One of the most dangerous notions being pushed by the current Bush Administration is the idea that "access" to computers for the poor somehow negates the concept of a "digital divide". The discussions here have all talked about the "social" divide but I wanted to add that this divide seems, as alw

Re: [GKD] Digital Divide vs. Social Divide.

2002-04-01 Thread Global Somaliland Women
Dear GKD Members, Warm greetings. I take this issue very seriously for the simple reason that digital divide has many forms or different names but has huge benefits for those who are not part of it. At the end of the day there is a huge divide out there between the 21st century Information Knowle

Re: [GKD] Digital Divide vs. Social Divide.

2002-04-01 Thread Pamela McLean
Thanks to contributors who have raised this topic. The issues do need to be clarified. How can we have clarity of thoughts and communication without clarity of language? May I illustrate the problem by describing a project in rural Nigeria. Its long term vision is for community development. Comm

Re: [GKD] Digital Divide vs. Social Divide.

2002-04-01 Thread Msgrieco
Puzzling on the discussions on digital divide vs social divide, I find myself thinking about the literacy/non-literacy divide which has historically contained much of the same privileged/disadvantaged dimensions. The progressive pressure has been to extend literacy and to do so in conditions whic

Re: [GKD] Digital Divide vs. Social Divide.

2002-03-29 Thread Kevin Rocap
Dear GKD Members, I'm in basic agreement with Yacine Khelladi. For the last several years I have referred to the Education Divides, the Opportunity Divides and Economic Divides (all similar to what you call the Social Divide) that pre-date and help to shape the Digital Divide (and I know others w

Re: [GKD] Digital Divide vs. Social Divide.

2002-03-29 Thread Donald Zhang Osborn
Yacine raises a good point, and it relates to both semantics and actions. Terms and expressions such as "bridging the digital divide" and "sustainability" stand for concepts and approaches to development that mean (meant) something, but their formulaic repetition tends to blur them into meaningles

Re: [GKD] Digital Divide vs. Social Divide.

2002-03-29 Thread Bartlett, Darius
Yacine raises a very important, but I fear often overlooked point: any technologies, ICTs included, should only be seen as a means to an end. Acquisition of technologies should never, or at best very very rarely, be seen as the end in itself. And, partly adopting a role of "Devil's Advocate", I c

Re: [GKD] Digital Divide vs. Social Divide.

2002-03-29 Thread Donald Zhang Osborn
Yacine raises a good point, and it relates to both semantics and actions. Terms and expressions such as "bridging the digital divide" and "sustainability" stand for concepts and approaches to development that mean (meant) something, but their formulaic repetition tends to blur them into meaningles