[Goanet] TGF WebSite updated March 25, 2006
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[Goanet] Goa's appalling road sense - 1
== ALL 'n' SUNDRY By Valmiki Faleiro == Goa's appalling road sense - 1 Lack of good driving skills is one part of Goa's problem. The other is our appalling road sense. How many licenced drivers will *halt and check* both sides before entering a main road? How many will avoid *reversing into* a main road? Or if wanting to turn, take to the left or the median, *well before* the intersection? And indicate *in advance* the intention to turn, with side blinkers or the universal hand signals any duffer behind will understand? Or that it's not a bright idea to suddenly slow down or stop *without signaling* the tailing traffic and, if it can be helped, slowing or stopping only on the side shoulder and not on the carriageway? Between poor driving skills and lack of road sense -- the conjoined twins that primarily cause death and misery on Goa's roads -- the latter is far more lethal. Inept driving does cause accidents, but our woeful bliss of road sense and traffic rules is the bulk cause of road tragedy. We shall spend some time beginning today, peering at our abysmal road sense ... in a traffic world that makes increasing demands of a good and safe driver. Let us begin with the troika that traffic experts the world over regard as the biggest cause of road accidents ... over-speeding, overtaking and tailgating (following the vehicle ahead too closely at unsafe speed.) *Over speeding*, to my mind, goes far beyond exceeding the (often ludicrous) speed limits prescribed by Government on Goa's roads. Did I say ludicrous? Consider an instance: a 30 kms stretch of National Highway-17, no less, between Panjim and Margao, bears about two dozen *speed limit 40* signboards. Most are entirely unwarranted ... the straight and clear-sight stretch at Cortalim, below the Verna plateau, is an example. Why a speed limit on a causeway? Do the Australian Acacias (planted on roadsides when Dr. Willy was PWD Minister) distract? Perhaps the KR trains hurtling in the nearby *khazan* paddies inspire pumping the accelerator? Ha! (More confounding is while all the boards notify the start of a speed limit, none announce the extent or the *end* point. What is a driver uninitiated to Goa's peculiarities to make? That the speed limit begins at the very first board outside Panjim, or Margao, and runs all the 30-odd kilometres of the NH, the boards in between being mere reminders?) What I am suggesting is that one should not rely on Government-notified speed limits alone but evolve a mindset on speed -- based on road sense, circumstance, one's driving ability and the condition of the vehicle. One could be well and truly be over-speeding at a mere 20 km/ph and one could still not be speeding at 120 km/ph (if you have the nerve and sanity intact to do that on Goa's roads, that is!) *Over speeding,* I say at the risk of sounding duff, is ANY speed at which circumstances demand driving/riding at a far lower speed. Driving at 20 km/ph on Margao's Francisco Luis Gomes Road (Station Rd.) would be actually doing a butcher's job (and at a hairpin bend on Anmod, an attempted or accomplished suicide.) Flooring the accelerator on a straight, clear-sight, high ground stretch (where no two- or four-legged creature can dart across in surprise), like on Goa-Mumbai is certainly not over-speeding! A relatively *slow* speed may actually be too *fast* if you cannot complete an exigent maneuver, like turning or stopping, with ease. Being a subjective term and dependent on wide circumstances, the best self test on speeding would be to ask oneself, Would I be in effective and complete control of the vehicle if a sudden contingency arose round the bend ... a cattle herd squatting, a pedestrian running across, a recklessly driven vehicle coming straight at me? If you have the slightest doubt that you may not (be in complete control of the vehicle), then the vehicle is driving you. You ARE over-speeding! A safe speed depends on many factors ... road conditions, weather conditions, light conditions, condition of the vehicle, the level of driving skill and, above all, your own road sense. The speed bug bites everyone and everywhere, not just youngsters. Police in California, USA, arrested Roy Rawlins for speeding at 150+ km/ph on a controlled road. He was 104, not 24. Be it ours to be in control of our senses, if we hope to be in control of the wheel/handlebars we wield, a monster of great potential destructiveness as Buchanan, the revered traffic guru, once said. Tailpiece: I'm quizzed that this series on road deaths in Goa evokes reaction from *outsiders* rather than Goans in Goa. Ricky Wayne, USA, presently holidaying in Goa, gave a succinct insight on our road madness (Reader Speak, HERALD, March 17, 2006.) A few responses on Goanet, an e-list of Goans worldwide, to which I post the column after publication. An interesting observation, however, came from A.P. Machado,
[Goanet] Re:Portuguese Passports
Since it is said that fools rush in where angels fear to tread, I have hitherto refrained fom entering the ongoing controversy on the subject in this forum! However,considering my own personal experience, I am prompted to share my views with fellow-members. I have visited Portugal thrice - once before the end of Portuguese rule in Goa (call it liberation,invasion or annexationas you deem fit!) and and twice thereafter - and thoroughly enjoyed all visits made on an Indian Passport, which I am proud to possess. Although I was born in Goa (under Portuguese rule) and did my primary school studies in Portuguese, I completed the rest of education in Independent India and opted for an Indian Passport through domicile when I went to Oxford for higher studies in 1954. It was during the summer vacation at Oxford in 1955 that I made my first visit to Portugal on an European tour along with a group of fellow-students belonging to various nationalities (including american, european and australian). We had submitted our passports in one bunch to the Portuguese Embassy in London for visas and, probably due to the holiday rush,I was issued a Portuguese visa on my Indian Passport, despite the then broken diplomatic relations between the two countries! The Portuguese PIDE (Security and Immigration Police) were initially very cordial at the frontier when I spoke to them in fluent Portuguese as spokesman for our group, but their faces soon fell when they saw my Indian Passport!It took them a good half-hour to clear up the matter with superiors in Lisbon.It was ackward for them to refuse me entry when I had a valid visa and all my friends refused to leave me behind and threatened to cancel their own visit and complain to their respective governments if were all not allowed in. When I made my two subsequent visits to Portugal after 1988, quite a few of my relations and friends assumed that I would be applying for a Portuguese Passport, considering the fact that I was born in Goa under Portuguese rule (in 1930!) and had completed my primary studies in Portuguese. They could not understand my reluctance to do so and to retain my Indian Passport, when practically every Tom, Dick and Harry was willing to give his eye-teeth to acquire one! I have no quarrel with my fellow-Goans or any others wishing to acquire Portuguese citizenship and a Portuguese Passport and fully appreciate and sympathise with the compulsions that drive them to do so. Let us admit that these compulsions are largely economic and there is no need for them to trumpet their loyalty to Portugal and to denigrate India and things Indian in order to justify their actions. I have no doubt that if citizenship of Timbutku and a Timbutku Passport conferred the same benefits as a Portuguese one, the queue for obtaining such a Passport would be equally large! Satyameva Jayate! ---Tony Correia-Afonso. This message was sent using NWebmail, BSNL's Webmail Program
[Goanet] Re: 101'st Goan NRI 4Rum formed
Lianne, this is very funny. Thanks for the humour, enjoyed it. Regards, George --- Lianne Rodricks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 101st Goan NRI 4-Rum formed in Cy-BAR space. (because I just had to be one up on George) Im a Goan NRI so Im qualified to join the rat race .or should I say The Crab Race (all puns intended.!!!) My Organization will be different from Georges as it will be called the 101st Gulf-Goan United Front and Back-less (read: spineless) NRI (Newly Repatriated from an Institution) Forum (read: for-Rum since all the others have been for-Feni all these years) of the Goan Diaspora spread out (read: disunited) all over the Gulf. I have no Agenda .hidden or otherwise, and till such time that I find another like-minded member to join my Organization .I like the term office-BAREers so I will be the Founder President the Chairwoman (not to be misconstrued with Charwoman) and will hold every other office/r that I deem fit. I/we will aim to promote Communal Harmony and Musical Harmony too. After all Goans are so Musical that orchestrating any form of dis-harmony comes easy to us. Look at our Ministers and how easily they play Musical Chairs in Goa. Weve learnt from the best, and are represented by the best! And yes! I promise to clutter cyberspace with my volumes of yellow journalism and first hand reports. The average report will be 10 pages long snooze fests.even if they're about a Kindergarten singing competition in Kuwait or a back-alley inter-village Football Tournament..zz's I/we propose that we have an Annual May-Queen Dance on the same day that any other Goan Club announces their show. And when in Goa, I will make the rounds of the secretariat introducing myself to all and sundry as the Honourable President, thus currying favour with the Powers that be so I can get permission to build an illegal boundary wall to my property and erect an illegal shack that encroaches on the Hi-tide restricted land. I will invite all the Mini-sters (the prefix mini describes their IQ adequately) who are from one Camp (those who favour Mopa and/or Konkani in Roman Script)on one day and the ones from the other Camp on another. Thats diplomacy Goan ishtyle ..not to be misinterpreted as Wendells Style in any way. Just hope none of the Ministers crosses the floor at midnight because then Ill have to invite them twice. Suggestions welcome (but wont be taken into consideration). So there you have it ..Goas newest FOUR-RUMs My NRI Goan Forum will be the Best So mar-shendi and to hell with the Rest And the secret to what inspired this rhyme? Two parts Rum and a generous dash of lime Further comments can be sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anyone who is silly enough to take this seriously will be invited to be immediate Past President of this 4Rum.) Lianne
Re: [Goanet] Re: The Murderers of Fr. Eusebio Ferrao Should be Crucified Upside Down in Goa
--- Gregory Gomes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bible says we must forgive.. So, they must be forgiven. Mario observes: Gregory, The Bible makes a difference between that which is Caesar's, i.e. the government, and that which is not. If a law has been constitutionally passed by the people's representatives, then it should apply to every resident of that country, whether they personally agree with it or not. I would gladly join in forgiving any convicted felon who shows remorse and asks the public for forgiveness. However, that does not mean he or she should escape whatever punishment has been legally imposed, including execution. If he or she has been convicted under the law, beyond a reasonable doubt, then the sentence handed down must be carried out, after all applicable legal appeals to verify the persons guilt have run their course. If the law on capital punishment is unacceptable to you, then work to change the law, by organizing and voting for politicians that agree with this. This is how capital punishment was abolished in Europe.
Re: [Goanet] Heinous crimes not unknown to Goa
My cousin Wolfango Lobo (Wolfao to us) was murdered by a family trio over a fishing dispute. He was 24. The year was 1959. This makes its during the Portuguese regime. I was aprox 11-12 years old. There would have been 3 deaths but the other two (all cousins but not brothers, including Wolfao) survived. The perpetrators were caught trying to escape to Belgaum within hours of the crime, tried and sent to Aguada jail. The short and sweet trial was a sensation in the village of Moira. The entire act of the crime was enacted at the scene of the crime, just like in the films with the criminals as actors and substitutes for the victims, one having been burried and the other two in the hospital. The scene was that Wolfao's house was stoned at the dead of the night. All were sleeping in Wolfao's house as his mother was away. Wolfao went to investigate, cautioning others not to follow. As he was running, the culprits who were hiding behing the rubble fence (200 meters from the house) alerted him of their presence by dislogding a fence boulder. He came running back. They chopped him with Koitas and dumped him inside the fence. As there was no sign of Wolfao, Ciriaco went to investigate. He was done and dumped over Wolfao. After another gap of time David went to investigate and he too was done and dumped over the duo. The alarm was raised by Wolfao's kid brother at home when none returned. They found them all bloodied and heaped together full of red ants (Umule) Wolfao died on the way to the hospital. The ringleader got a lifer and the other two lesser jail terms. Come liberation (December 19, 1961) all walked out to celebrations and rejoicing. We were Free. It was Frdom. Most of the criminals of those days are today's pensioned Frdom fighters getting looked after with our tax-money. Makes me a little bit bitter. Init??? Floriano - Original Message - From: Bernado Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:36 AM Subject: [Goanet] Heinous crimes not unknown to Goa Last week Jose Colaco enumerated some terrible crimes in Goa. But a reminder to a ghastly crime in Goa took place more than 3 decades ago. Gurunath the paper boy chucks the Navhind Times on a cool Sunday morning to our second floor balcony and in 36p Times Roman one reads 'Double Murder in Caranzalem'. A lady and her daughter were brutally murdered and packed in tin suitcases. It was Police Inspector Dhaimode who kicked open the suitcases after neighbours complained about the stench coming from a house in a place called Kerrant, Caranzalem, Ilhas. The victims husband was away in Bombay working, the cook was a person from the new regime and Belgao. It is believed that the perpetrator took articles from the house. After a six month police investigation the person Kumar was arrested in Belgao. Kumar received the death penalty and was hanged in Aguada jail in 1980 not by his feet but by his neck. = What have Goans learnt from this heinous act? Today Pe. Ferrao was killed. How many more Goans are going to suffer this similar fate at the hands of those from the new regime? BC
[Goanet] NRI delegation
To make any effort a success, one needs to set UNITED AND ACHIEVABLE GOALS (as the Kerala NRI). PRIOR to the delegation's visit, the groundwork needs to be laid. AT THE VISIT, a clear plan should be developed with a TIME-TABLE FOR ACTION for each issue. AFTER the visit, at REGULAR PERIODS an assessment of the progress needs to be undertaken by individuals who led the efforts. No good result is achieved by sitting back and expecting success. One gets back proportion to the efforts one puts in. Kind Regards, GL Eugene Correia I was informed by someone here in Dubai about the delegation's visit. Godfrey who pointed out the non-benefit of such a visit. Having attended one Goan NRI meet in Goa two years ago, I am convinced nothing much will be achieved. Kerala NRI meet, and found their main problems relate to cheap flights to Kerala, the job and medical security in the Gulf, and NRI remittances. Some of these have been addressed by the Indian government.
[Goanet] Re: Public execution -Deterrent effect of the Death Penalty
Carmo Further to your post to Jose below, irrespective of whether Jose is a devout Catholic or not, and irrespective of whether Jose accepts the Bible texts as supplied by you, or not, India does have, and does use, the death penalty by hanging. Justice will therefore normally be done in Goa/India irrespective of those who find the death penalty acceptable or not, as a deterrent. However, what is definitely not acceptable in the context of Indian law, is your proposal that, the murderers of Fr Eusebio should be publicly crucified upside down, stoned in Margao and that their organs should be harvested. Therefore, the points you raise now, about the death penalty per se, are simply a distraction and not particularly relevant to the specific case relating to Fr Eusebio and what you have expressly wished to see done. Instead, I want to suggest that, you ought to first retract your emotional outburst and advice, because currently, this has absolutely no purchase in modern India. Then we can discuss the death penalty, in different forms, as such, for as long as you want. Alternatively, you can, of course, pursue your view through the parliamentary process in Delhi and see if anyone might be persuaded by your views about crucifixion, stoning in a public place etc. After all, India is a democracy and all points of view can be considered through due process, even if someone wants to regress to medieval practices which have largely been abolished in a progressive modern world with few regressive exceptions such as those you have named. In sum, we first need to focus on your original outburst and not be side-tracked into other matters before we can resolve the issue of crucifixion, stoning etc specifically initiated by you on Goanet. Cornel - Original Message - From: CARMO DCRUZ Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 2:36 PM Subject: Re: Public execution -Deterrent effect of the Death Penalty Dear Jose, If you are as devout a Catholic as I am, you should accept the Bible teachings and there are atleast two references to the death penalty: 1. Numbers 35:31 If anyone kills a person, the murderer shall be put to death... .Moreover you shall accept no ransom for the life of the murderer, who is guilty of death; but he shall be put to death. 2. Deuteronomy 19:21 Your eye shall not pity; it shall be life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.
[Goanet] Goan 'Kokno' used derogatorily
It lools like GoaNet is only for Catholic subscibers,i am a hindu (goan kokno) and when i read hindu word being used in a derogatory manner,i really feel bad. My friend Mr Carvalho(catholic) and myself and suffered at the hands of konkani protagonists at the time of Konkani agitation.And I do not want similar agitation taking place for Anti Mopa airport.I had narrated our harrowing experiences we suffered at the hands of Goondas (i will not say catholics). But it was not published.I would like to ask why was it not circulated amongst GOANET Readers. My sincere appeal of not using Hindu word in a derogatory manner. Manoj Raikar
[Goanet] Re: *** Goanet News Bytes * March 24, 2006 *
Hi IN reply to your article about charging tourist on charter flights British tourist have to pay 2225 rupees for visa each year we visit your country plus I buy for the orphanage in Panjim each year, we have just paid for the jeep to be repaired and a pressure cooker and bought flip flops for all the children, amounting to £300 plus food to feed them through the monsoon, so I think I put plenty into your state plus all the money we spend while we are there, this was my eleventh visit, and I have all ready booked for next year, so charging another 500 rupees I think is wrong, we don't charge anything to visit the UK. Yours Sincerely Mrs. R Dobson -- QUOTE OF THE DAY -- Rs 100 is not a big amount for a tourist. In countries such as Thailand, foreign tourists are charged a cess of around 40 dollars. Here, a cess of Rs 500 would be reasonable. -- S V Balaram, long connected with Goa's tourism sector, on the Goa government's plans to charge Rs 100 as cess on each foreign tourist arriving in the state via charter flights or through hotel bookings. -- Gomantak Times. -- Read all Goanet messages at: http://www.goanet.org/archive.php?name=Newslist=goanet
[Goanet] RE:(Goanet) The Internet: A Teaching Tool For Konkani by P Rodrgues in Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 156
I am responding to a wonderful proposal by Mr P Rodrigues In the Goanet Digest Vol.3 Issue 156 - The Internet: A Teaching Tool For Konkani. Mr Rodrigues makes a proposal I would gladly make myself available as a pupil. I would be interested in the Roman Script as Devnagri is more than beyond me. Furthermore, it would suit me to log on at a time convenient to me to pick up at a point in a lesson where I might have left it previously. I would find it difficult to log in at a particular time or daily for that matter. I am sure there may be others like me who would prefer this flexibility I request. Secondly would there any written text I could avail myself of and to which all contributors, to the teaching of Konkani on the Internet, would conform to in order to be consistent with a logical and programmed presentation of grammar and vocabulary for the benefit of the Internet pupil? It would be sad for this wonderful idea to lose support because pupils may find it difficult to keep up with the pace or the presentation. Then there is the question of the different dialects and there must be many though my limited knowledge brings to mind the dialects for Salcete and Bardez in Goa. I would be very interested in knowing how the presentation would best be progressed in due course. Thank you Mr Rodrigues for coming up with this proposal and as a would be pupil I would like to see it come to fruition. PS. I enjoy reading the contribution from Mr Domnic Fernandes (in Konkani and with translation) under the title 'AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP'. I wonder if Mr Fernandes would consider producing a compilation of all these wonderful gems. Domnic Agnelo Fernandes
[Goanet] Re: Atheism
interesting discussion! sorry I missed it. I like your views Kevin Saldanha!! To mis-paraphrase Dr Stanley , A secularist, I presume? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Mario, True moral values cannot be made accountable to anyone other than one's self.
[Goanet] Re: Sondekar Raja
Miguel, Thank you for the comprehensive history lesson and your elucidation of Sondekar Raja. I think you covered a fair bit. Are there any books on that era (or other) of Goa's history authored by Dr. P.S.Pisurlekar? And is the street in Panjim, Pisurlekar Road, in anyway related to Dr. P.S. Pisurlekar? Thank you - Bosco On Mon Mar 20 04:14:32 PST 2006, Miguel Braganza wrote: The Rajas of Sonda, known locally as the Raje Saundekar and as Rei de Sonda by the Portuguese. They retained this title till Liberation. In January 1764, the then Raja of Sonda..
[Goanet] Summer activities in Goa for children... Communicare, Porvorim
This summer, Communicare cultural centre at Porvorim, Goa (India) will concentrate on activities to promote cultural dialogue through language, art, performing arts and extra curricular activities. Says Comunicare: We have several activities such as cooking, painting, pottery as well as a little bit of fitness exercise. Attached is a list with the activities for the summer. In case you are interested, drop by for registration. The Center is open from 10am to 1pm and 3pm to 6pm. Please spread the word.. Contact: Nalini Elvino de Sousa [EMAIL PROTECTED] April/May 2006 Painting workshop with artist Rajendra Usapkar A new painting technique which will enchant you Date: 4th , 5th , 6th and 7th April Timing: 10:00 to 11:30 am Fees: Rs 350/- (inclusive of material) Age: 10 to 15 yrs Clay workshop with artist Verodina Ferrao Play with clay and find out new art of expression Date: 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th and 14th April Timing: 9:00 to 10:30 am Fees: Rs 500/- (inclusive of material) Age: 8 to 12yrs Portuguese cooking workshop with Nalini Learning a language through cooking can be fun Date: from 17th to 28th April 06 (mond, wed, frid) Timing: 11:00 to 13:00 Fees: Rs 150/- per class Age: 8 to 14 yrs Art exploration with artist Deviprasad Rao (Dev) Unique entertaining journey of discovering, channeling and enhancing creativity among children through the medium of Fine and Performing Art Date: from 10th April to 26th May (Mon, Wed, Fri) Timing: 11:30 am to 1 pm Fees: Rs 175/- per class (inclusive of material) Age: 4 to 12yrs Gymnastics for children with kim Exercise your body and mind and stay fit this summer Date: 1st April to 29th April (tues, thurs, sat) Timing: 11:30 to 12:15 pm Fees: Rs 650/- Age: 6 to 15yrs Portugues a brincar with Elsa Learn Portuguese through singing, drawing, art and craft. Let the children discover a new culture, a new world Date: from 1st April to 31st May (3 times a week) Timing: 3-6 pm Fees: Rs 400/- for 1 month Rs 750/- for 2 months (inclusive of material) Age: 3 to 12yrs Karate with Joaquim Get to know this self defense art which will give you courage and discipline in life with black belt teacher. Date: from 11th April to 25th May (Tues, Thurs) Timing: 6-7pm Fees: Rs 1600/- per month Age: 7 to 13yrs Puppet workshop with artist Sonia Rodrigues Sabarwal The art of story telling through puppet making Date: 22nd to 26th May Timing: 9:00-12:30 Fees: Rs 750/- Age: pre-primary teachers -- Special workshop at Bookworm, St. Ines Contact (3-7pm): 9823222665 Portugues a brincar e a cantar Short story telling in Portuguese through singing and drawing Date: 17th, 18th, 19th Timing: 4-5pm Fees: Rs 150/- Age: 6-9yrs
[Goanet] Re: Public execution -Deterrent effect of the Death Penalty
Dear Carmo, The bible also condoned slavery and abhorred homosexuality. Is this really the source of your 'inspiration' and devotion??? No wonder we have 'GoaNuts' calling for upside-down crucifixions :-( Kevin Saldanha Mississauga, ON. --- Dear Jose, If you are as devout a Catholic as I am, you should accept the Bible teachings and there are atleast two references to the death penalty: ...crap deleted...
[Goanet] Re: The Murderers of Fr. Eusebio Ferrao Should be Crucified Upside Down in Goa
Bible says we must forgive.. So, they must be forgiven. --- Gabe Menezes wrote: RESPONSE: Sorry don't agree, I think they should be...
Re: [Goanet] Some pause for thought
On 25/03/06, cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the circumstances today in Goa, all should ensure that the purported murderers of Fr Eusebio will get a trial which is seen to be fair and be found guilty or not guilty. If guilty, the law of the land should apply. To press for a lynching approach by anybody (especially, stoning and upside-down crucifiction in a public place) is absurd to say the least. Just imagine if this actually did happen: . Cornel RESPONSE: Now that was a pertinent post and relevant to the ground realities. Firstly, after all the explosion of sentiment, the fact is that a public lynching would never take place. If it did there would be a very big upheaval in Goa, with dire consequences and the biggest losers would indeed be the Minority Catholics. So all the posts propagating a public lynching, have to be jokingly, taken with a pinch of salt. It is though, disheartening, to see how peoples emotions can get the better of sound judgement. Some of them were deadly serious in what they professed. My take on 'hung , drawn and quartered' was to, of course try and shed some reasoning and show the futility of what others were proposing. -- TUMCHER AXIRVAD ASSUM; DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England
Re: [Goanet] information required
On 25/03/06, Helga do Rosario Gomes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Does someone with Portguese citizenship and a Portguese passport but working in the UK require a visa to enter the USA on a holiday? Thanks Helga RESPONSE: If travelling as a tourist for only 3 months, no Visa is required as Portugal is one of the Countries with a 'waiver Visa requirement' Please click on to the URL below ( US Embassy in London); hopefully it will cover your questions. http://www.visabureau.com/america/tourist-visa.aspx -- TUMCHER AXIRVAD ASSUM; DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England
Re: [Goanet] Re: The Priest, the Cook , the Guests the Alcohol
--- Elisabeth Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would just like to add, that I don't know the Priest in question personally but my in-laws and uncle-in-law in particular, who is also a priest knew him very well. He said that he never displayed any homosexual tendencies and as such all these insinuations are but mere speculation. Mario adds: That's close enough, Elisabeth. Perhaps an even better testimony than you knowing him personally. I hope Afra Dias and JoeGoaUK and Godfrey Gonsalves have their eyes open.
Re: [Goanet] Heinous crimes not unknown to Goa
--- Bernado Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kumar received the death penalty and was hanged in Aguada jail in 1980 not by his feet but by his neck. Mario observes: There you go. The legal system worked in Goa. I hope this makes Carmo happy even though this man was hanged right side up.
Re: [Goanet] Portuguese Passport
--- Bernado Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gabe has provided an interesting link. The following should be read with concern: Jhaveri would prefer to stay in Hong Kong. It's the only home she's ever known and she can't imagine anyone living in Hong Kong for 30 years and then moving back to India. But 1997 has her worried.' Mario asks: Maybe Jhaveri and the others can move to Goa and bring their famous enterprise with them:-)) This will also solve Elisabeth's concern of saving Goa from the Goans!
Re: [Goanet] Re: Welcome to Goanet
--- Agnelo Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 21/03/06, Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] REPLY: Agnelo Pinto Ponjekar my foot! Your IP address forwarded shows that you are posting from the USA. REPLY: Dear Gabe, Here you go again. Only confirms you know ZILCH. I can be in any part of the world, and still be a Ponjekar. As I said earlier, you (Osama #1) have hijacked this forum. Mario adds: E-mail programs have an ingenious feature which allows certain e-mail addresses to be put in a spam list. This prevents any single Goanetter from hijacking this or any other forum with unwanted information cut and pasted from other web sites we all have access to. If other Goanetters find these duplications useful it is fine with me, as long as my Inbox is not clogged.
[Goanet] Possible change in timing for RTP AFRICA broadcast (Ep 5, Contacto Goa, Sun, Mar 26)
For those of you who will try to watch Episode 5 of Contacto Goa in Portugal on Mar 26, Sunday, on RTP AFRICA, please note: The current schedule indicates that RTP has changed the timings for this broadcast because of a football game! The new Lisboa timings indicated as of today are: 17:00 MAR E SELVA (S. TOMÉ E PRÍNCIPE)(R/) 18:00 MAGAZINE GOA CONTACTO 18:30 FUTEBOL: 1ª LIGA (ACADÉMICA X PORTO) Please tune in at around 6:00PM Lisboa time so as not to miss it. It is even possible that they start a few minutes earlier or later! As of now, the broadcast times on RTP INTERNATIONAL remain the same as previously announced. We are really tired of the changes that RTP keeps making without informing us. We can only apologize for any difficulty it causes you but are not able to do anything about it other than keep on complaining to RTP, which does not seem to be concerned! Best, Desmond Nazareth
[Goanet] Re: Information required (US Visa for Portuguese Nationals)
Portugal being member of EC, come under Visa Waiver Program (VWP) We visited US (from UK) just before sept.11 and we needed no visa (But Visa was stamped on Arrival). Check the new rules below (FAQs). Even now, Potuguese passport holders don't require Visa (as my friend said he visited US few months ago) but may require to produce confirmed hotel accomodation at the immigration desk upon landing. Also, check the new requirement (below)digital photo etc Passport requirements for travelers under the Visa Waiver Program Visa free travelers, including children, entering the United States under the Visa Waiver Program (VWP) require individual machine-readable passports (MRP). This requirement has been in place since October 26, 2004. From October 26, 2005 passports issued on or after that date must contain a digital photograph of the holder. How do I know if I have a machine-readable passport? Machine-readable passports allow data in the passport to be scanned automatically by a machine. There are two lines of letters, numbers and s printed at the bottom of the personal information page, that is, the page with photograph and personal details. (circled in red in the image of a U.S. machine-readable passport shown below) If you are in any doubt as to whether or not your passport is machine-readable, you should check with the passport issuing authority of your country. Follow this link for an example of a machine readable passport. How do I know if my passport contains a digital photograph The majority of VWP countries already issue passports with a digital photo integrated into the data page. Visitors can tell whether their passport meets these requirements if it contains a digital photograph that is printed on the page, not glued or laminated into the document. Follow this link for an example of a passport with a digital photograph. I understand that further changes are to take place in 2006 Passports issued on or after October 26, 2006, must also include an integrated circuit chip capable of storing the biographic information from the data page, a digitized photograph and other biometric information. Follow this link for an example of a such a passport. What do I do if I do not have a machine-readable passport or a passport which contains a digital photograph? If you do not have a machine-readable passport you will either be required to apply for a B-1 (business) or B-2 (tourist) visa, or if you wish to continue traveling visa free under the VWP, obtain a new passport which is machine readable. If you are a national of a country that does not issue passports with digital photographs and your passport is issued on or after October 26, 2005 you will be required to apply for either a B-1 (business) or B-2 (tourist) visa. If your passport is issued before this date, the digital photograph requirement will NOT apply to you. Do I require a biometric passport to travel to the United States? Passports issued on or after October 26, 2005, must include a biometric identifier based on applicable standards established by the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO). The Department of Homeland Security has announced that from October 26, 2005, a digital photograph of the passport holder's face printed on the data page of the passport will be the acceptable standard. Passports issued on or after October 26, 2006, must also include an integrated circuit chip capable of storing the biographic information from the data page, a digitized photograph and other biometric information. What is an E-passport or Smart passport? It is a biometric passport which is capable of storing the biographic information from the data page, a digitized photograph and other biometric information. Passports issued on or after October 26, 2006 must meet this standard. [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ Yahoo! Photos NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo http://uk.photos.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Ponnje: SHIGMO RE SHIGMO GUMCHE KATAR GUM (Check these beautiful photos)
Ponnje: SHIGMO RE SHIGMO GUMCHE KATAR GUM (Check these beautiful photos) These photos just received and I am sending it to you all straight away. Beautiful, multicoloured photos (I never seen before). I was told it was very nice to watch them live (animated). Some photos did not come out good, as I understand, they were all hurriedly taken, as my people in Goa first went for Tiatr nearby (kala Academy) and then the Shigmo just out side it 7pm. Instructions are given to re-take all the photos should there be any shigmo parade tomorrow any where in Goa. Will provide in flickr.com too. Also, told video shoot the entire floats. I wish I could send you movie file format but I don't know if any one is allowing upload it for free and then provide you with the link etc. Can any one help ?? I am really impressed. One can see Krishna, Ram, Ravan, Vishnu, Droupadi, Kurushetra, Pandavas, chakra, bull, cow, eagle, etc etc. I used to watch 'Ramayana' on TV every sunday. There is also one big cow whose milk shown oozing out live (see photo). http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/joegoauk/album?.dir=cdde.src=phstore=prodid=.done=http%3a//uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/joegoauk/my_photos Any problem with the link, pl let me know and I will re-send it. Watch it in 'Slide Show' if you are on broadband. == Btw, if any one from UK wishes to join us to watch goa-velha 'Santa Pursao' live telecast on a giant TV pl, register yourself now. It's free. We arranged a small hall in our local pub for this purpose. Courtessy, JoeGoaUk. === Those outside UK don't worry, photos of all (about 30) saints will be sent to you via flickr Yahoo photos. Santa Pursao, on on 5th monday of the lent.Coming Monday being the 4th. [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ Yahoo! Photos NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo http://uk.photos.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Re: Public execution
Dear Jose, If you are as devout Catholic as I am, you should accept the Bible teachings and there are atleast two references to the death penalty: 1. Numbers 35:31 If anyone kills a person, the murderer shall be put to death... .Moreover you shall accept no ransom for the life of the murderer, who is guilty of death; but he shall be put to death. 2. Deuteronomy 19:21 Your eye shall not pity; it shall be life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. You cannot claim to be a Catholic, a Christian and ignore these biblical references in support of the death penalty and implicitly encourage the Indian authorities to let Amit Shukla, Manish Dubey and cousin Brutal Britto go scot free after committing heinous murders - with all due respect to your Aao Portugues, Ami EEU podhi and patrade. and supercillious attitude towards those Goans who really care and are concerned about the greater good of our beloved Goa. In the case of Amit Shukla, Manish Dubey and cousin Brutal Britto, there is no modicum of doubt - they have even confessed that they committed the horrible murders. see references below to the deterrent impacts of the death penalty in Saudi Arabia and China. http://my.hsonline.net/beamer/societal.htm Best Regards, Carmo From: Jose Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] You could NOT be a Catholic by any stretch of imagination ...Not with these horrible views.
[Goanet] FR. EUSEBIO MOURNED IN KUWAIT.
FR. EUSEBIO FERRAO MOURNED IN KUWAIT. In a condolence meeting called by Kuwait Konknni Kendr, in Kuwait City on Thursday 23rd of this month at 7.30 p.m., KKK paid homage to the late Goan priest Fr. Eusebio Ferrao who was murdered in Goa at Magazana, on 17th of this month by 2 youths from Uttar Pradesh. The condolence meeting was addressed by the president Elvino Rodrigues, members Rosary Ferns, and Mario Rebello and praised the good work of Fr. Ferrao in the cause of community and society as a whole. Regarding this murder, one has to learn a lesson and make a decision in future to be very vigilant towards outsiders and to those who are strangers to us. It is very risky even to hire services of servants coming from outside Goa. Outsiders are having their own agenda. The first person in Goa who was hanged at Aguada after Dec. 1961 was a non Goan known as Kumar but his real name is Peter. He was sentenced for gallows because he killed the lady and her children where he was working as domestic servant. He thought he would escape from this crime by escaping from Goa after the multiple murders and will enjoy the booty he got from that house. But he was caught, tried and sent to the gallows. Like this, in smaller scale lot of nasty happenings are taking place in our midst. To avoid this type of happenings, one must be very careful before engaging himself/herself with an unknown, unfamiliar person. Even in Kuwait, many of the families keep in their flats bachelors to recover the rent without knowing the antecedents of these bachelors from different regions in India and from different nationalities. Many times these bachelors have their own agenda and in fulfillment of their agenda they destroy the peace in the families where they are staying. Because of such bachelors many of the wives left their husbands, eloped with the bachelors and brought disgrace on their married life. This happens because unknown and outsiders are dangerous people even though many amongst them are good. But who will vouch for their goodness? Under my nose very many of our girls without knowing the background of the boys coming from different regions in India and from different nationalities fall in love and go and settle with them in far off places from Goa and India. Gradually these girls realize their faults of choosing a wrong person who is either already married in his own region or country or the background of the boys they marry is very bad. But what one can do at this late stage? These mishaps occur only when one comes close to a strange person whose background, history, language, tradition, religion and other aspects are totally foreign. By keeping Hippies closer to our bodies and souls in Goa we have destroyed our generation. The hippies are outsiders and they have their own agenda of drugs, sex, and vulgarity. Hippies are the revolt against human dignity and since hippies are outsiders in Goa they are least bothered to protect our culture, tradition and way of life. Instead of cautioning from the pulpit our community and society of the perils involved in befriending outsiders our Padri Eusebio Ferrao fell prey to the outsiders and lost his precious body which was helpful to the needy but I hope his precious soul will not be lost to the cheering Lucifer because according to the stories trickling in, smell of some foul play appears but the Church leadership and Investigating authority must be bold enough to bare all facts that led to this murder. As a lover of Konkani, I am sad that we Konkani lovers lost a very good Konkani promoter, Konkani writer and a very good preacher. I heard his sermons and I loved to listen to his preachings. I read him regularly in Konkani Magazines and V. Ixtt weekly. His last article appeared in Ixtt was a masterpiece. Where we will get such an excellent Konkani writer? In his death Konkani especially Roman script Konkani became little poor. May the soul of Fr. Ferrao Rest in eternal peace. A. Veronica Fernandes, Kuwait. _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
[Goanet] Cops crack case of missing call centre employee
Cops crack case of missing call centre employee BY A STAFF REPORTER | Saturday, March 25, 2006 11:16:58 IST Suspect Roweena has tied the knot with a colleague; hope to arrest him from Goa. The police seems to have zeroed in on the whereabouts of 21-year-old Roweena Rodriques, an employee of Mumbai based call-centre who has been missing since Friday last. According to the police, Roweena seems to have married one of her colleagues Avinash, a resident of Vikhroli. The issue came to light when Avinash called his parents and informed that they were in Goa. We are sure that the girl is with him and they have got married. After reading reports in the newspapers, he called his residence from Goa and said that he was keeping fine there. Now, we are doubting that the girl has willingly gone out with him due to family pressure. Soon, we will try to trace their whereabouts in Goa, says PSI Rade of the MHB colony police station in Borivali. Meanwhile, sources in Zenta said that the girl is still in touch with some of her best friends in the office. One of the team leaders of Zenta, who did not wished to be named said, She is said to be in touch with her very close friends. But she has not revealed her whereabouts. In the statement given to the police by Rodriques' office colleagues, they said that Roweena was spotted with a mangalsutra around her neck, a few days before she quit the job.Last week, the girl had reportedly called her parents from a local PCO booth and informed them that she would return home in the afternoon. However, when she did not turn up, the worried father Martin Rodriques enquired with the office, only to find that she had resigned from her services on March 7. Later, a missing complaint was lodged with the MHB police station. Roweena's father had earlier suspected Vijay, the driver of her company vehicle, as she had complained about his misconduct, for which Vijay was fired by Zenta's Transport officials. As per transport rules for call centre staff, employees are instructed to provide their family members the registration number and phone number of the driver of the vehicle which ferries them to and fro office. This is for use in case of an unforeseen eventuality. However, the last day that Roweena left home, her father could not jot down the number of the vehicle that she had boarded. Police investigations revealed that the car belonged to Avinash. The police said that Avinash had picked her up on two occasions. Meanwhile, Shivaji Bodakhe, DCP of North Region said that Roweena's friends have told the police that she eloped with her friend Avinash. The man used to earlier work as driver of the BPO she worked in. We have information that Avinash hails from Vikhroli and are hopeful he will be in custody in the next two days. http://www.cybernoon.com/DisplayArticle.asp?section=fromthepresssubsect ion=inbombayxfile=March2006_inbombay_standard9274 ~(^^)~ Avelino
[Goanet] Danish Cartoons
The following story from Netscape News (March 23) relates to how Racial Epithet is and should be handled. This is a good article for Goans in Goa and in the Diaspora, in how to address blatant errors. No excuses of Freedom of Press or Freedom of Expression etc., etc. Please note the APOLOGY and the CORRECTIVE ACTION. What a contrast to the Danish Cartoons saga! Kind Regards, GL Radio Host Fired for Using Racial Epithet By CHERYL WITTENAUER ST. LOUIS (AP) - A St. Louis radio station quickly fired a talk show host for uttering a racial epithet as he talked about Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on his morning show Wednesday. Dave Lenihan apologized on the air immediately after making what he said was a slip of the tongue. KTRS president and general manager Tim Dorsey agreed the remark was accidental but said it was nonetheless ``unacceptable, reprehensible and unforgivable.'' Lenihan had been heaping praise on Rice, who has frequently said she aspires to run the NFL one day but has more recently ruled out seeking to replace retiring Commissioner Paul Tagliabue. ``She's been chancellor of Stanford,'' Lenihan said on the air. ``She's got the patent resume of somebody that has serious skill. She loves football. She's African-American, which would kind of be a big coon. A big coon. Oh my God. I am totally, totally, totally, totally, totally sorry for that.'' He said he had meant to say ``coup'' instead of the racial slur. KTRS listeners soon began calling the station to complain. Twenty minutes after the utterance, Dorsey went on the air to apologize to Rice and KTRS listeners. ``There can be no excuse for what was said,'' Dorsey said. ``Dave Lenihan has been let go. ... There is enough hate. We certainly are not going to fan those flames.'' NAACP chapter president Harold Crumpton commended Dorsey for his swift action. Reached at home, Lenihan said he was still trying to figure out what happened and was drafting a letter of apology to Rice. He said he never uses the slur he uttered and thinks Rice is ``a fantastic woman.'' Lenihan, formerly a drive-time host at WGNU radio in St. Louis, had been at KTRS for less than two weeks. ``It was my dream job,'' he said. ``Ratings were going well. It kind of stinks.''
[Goanet] Re: Crucifying upside down..........................
No advice in the world could be more appropriate and more directional than this one, dear Vivian. I seldom do mistakes in judging people's minds and/or whether or not they have theirs heads on their own shoulders. floriano goasurj Check -out the Road Map for Goa at www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: Vivian D'Souza To the proponents of the knee-jerk reaction of crucifying upside down the murderers of Fr. Ferrao, may I respectfully suggest that you start practicing the Yoga pose Sirsa Asana or standing on your head for a period of time. You will find the increased circulation to your heads will bring clarity to your minds and you will also be able to watch the spectacle right side up ?
[Goanet] Goa coast to host eighth Indo-French naval exercises from March 27
Goa coast to host eighth Indo-French naval exercises from March 27 New Delhi: The eighth bilateral exercise of the generic series code named 'Varuna' will take place off the western Indian coast March 27 to April 7.=20 Informed Defence Ministry sources said that five Indian Navy surface combatants, one submarine, and a number of different types of shore-based fixed-wing and rotary-wing aircraft would be participating in the exercise.=20 The participating Indian units will be under the tactical command of the Flag Officer Commanding, Western Fleet, Rear Admiral Anup Singh. His counterpart from the French Navy, will be Rear Admiral Xavier Magne.=20 The Indian Navy will be fielding the aircraft carrier Viraat along with her air-group, the guided-missile destroyer Mumbai, the guided-missile frigates Gomati and Betwa, the fleet-replenishment tanker Aditya, and, the submarine Shankul.=20 The Indian Air Force will also participate in 'Varuna-2006' and will field Jaguar And Canberra aircraft.=20 The French task force comprises their nuclear-propelled aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle (with her own air group), the guided-missile destroyers Cassard and Montcalm, the fleet-replenishment tanker Somme, the nuclear-powered submarine (SSN) Saphir, and, French 'Atlantique-II' Maritime Patrol Aircraft (MPAs) that will operate ex-Goa. In conformance with modern practice, the French task force has one Royal Navy frigate, HMS Lancaster, embedded within it.=20 One of the major thrust-areas would be 'DACT' (Dissimilar Air Combat) between the Indian Navy's Sea Harrier aircraft ex-Viraat, and, the Rafale and Super Etendards of the Charles de Gaulle.=20 Other aspects that would be exercised by the two navies include fleet air-defence, intermediate and advanced ASW (Anti-Submarine Warfare), MIO (Maritime Interdiction Operations), VBSS (Visit, Board, Search and Seizure) procedures and tactical manoeuvres.=20 Some of the 'firsts' of this exercise include the co-ordinated operation of the Indian and French aircraft carriers (Viraat and Charles de Gaulle), firing on aerial targets, cross-deck operations by the Indian Navy's Sea Harrier aircraft from the deck of the Charles de Gaulle, and, participation by the Indian Air Force.=20 The 'Varuna' series of joint exercises between the Indian and the French navies commenced in 2001 and has grown in scope and complexity over the years. These exercises have been hugely successful in facilitating mutual learning and interoperability between the two navies. The last such exercise was held in November 2005 off Djibouti (in the Gulf Of Aden). http://www.newkerala.com/news2.php?action=3Dfullnewsid=3D30943 ~(^^)~ Avelino
[Goanet] Bottled ocean water, anyone?
Bottled ocean water, anyone? BY INDIRA RODERICKS | Friday, March 24, 2006 10:51:12 IST Don't miss Subodh Kerkar's paintings, sculptures and installations=20 exhibited at the Jehangir Art Gallery. Until 18 years ago, Goa-based artist and sculptor Subodh Kerkar was a qualified medical practitioner who occasionally dabbled in art. After a few successful exhibitions he chucked his medical practice and opted to become a full-time artist instead. That was in the beginning, it was only later when he diversified into sculpture and installation art. After five years he returns to Mumbai with an exhibition (at the Jehangir Art Gallery) he calls 'The Oceanic' - each work on display is associated with the marvels of what else, but the ocean. It has taken me two years to put together this exhibition, while at the same time I continue with my installation work at my studio at Calangute. Here most of the installations are on the beach itself, just like poetry written on the sands, he said. =20 People might remember Kerkar's work two years ago when he had displayed his art at Priyadarshini Park during the Mumbai festival. But this time, the exhibits have surpassed his previous work and range from acrylic on canvas paintings to displays in wood, metal and terracotta, plus the hard-to-miss boats, sails (in glass) and sea shells. Perhaps the most amazing display is what he has titled 'bottled ocean water', all labelled and sealed - one hundred per cent pure with a 7 per cent salt content, he says. Can't get more realistic than that!=20 I started painting realistic art, which I learnt from my father. Later I moved to images of the sea. Having lived in Goa all my life, painting the sea comes naturally to me. It has been my constant companion over the years and quite frankly I cannot imagine doing anything else, added Kerkar.=20 Comparing the two mediums, Kerkar continued that he is partial to installation art. That is because, he says, here you never know what the end result will be. In a painting you would have already envisioned the final product. The work that is on display is priced between Rs. 45,000 and Rs. 2 lakh. Returning home, he begins work on an Art Park in Panjim that has been commissioned by the Government of Goa and developing a two km walk through a forest dotted with sculptures by Kerkar. But what he is really looking forward to is an installation at the Wagah Border which he is hoping to begin work on soon. Half of it will be on the Indian side the other in Pakistan. Of course a lot of work needs to be done from the required permissions to the basic groundwork. But this is something I am really looking forward to... he said. http://www.cybernoon.com/DisplayArticle.asp?section=3Dfromthepresssubsec= tion=3Dinbombayxfile=3DMarch2006_inbombay_standard9270 http://www.cybernoon.com/DisplayArticle.asp? section=3Dfromthepresssubsection=3Dinbombayxfile=3DMarch2006_inbombay_standar d9270 ~(^^)~ Avelino
[Goanet] Re: NRI Association in Goa
Dear Mario, I have my good and valid reasons for saying what I have said in my below referenced post. And I can defend myself up-front in the face of any and/or all challenges w.r.t. the same from anyone including the names of the persons I have mentioned. I do my homework well when I go public. However, let me come on record here to say that I am not anyones ENEMY. Coming to the re-organizational set-up of the NRI/Global Goans, I do not see any such role for me to play. It is,afterall a self-looking after sort of organization which can be organized and floated very easily. But as Miguel Brazanza has said, the joint initiative is a must. What better than the already established GOAN NRI ASSOCIATION which already has a web-site in www.goa500.com? . I have personally taken interest in this website and I can see it emerging slowly but steadily, though it could be better managed. And I feel that the existing representative of the NRIs whom they have appointed themselves should be given a chance to prove himself within his mandated time period of one year. For a change his efforts must be appreciated with a small pat on the back. As for me, I am heading a much much bigger organization which has the task of reforming the political scene of Goa. And believe you me that it is a daunting task of changing the mind-set of the people of Goa who have generally lost faith in politics which affects their everyday lives and leave it to the hyenas to run away with everything they have. What is required here is much much more commitment than just self-help commitment. I am sure you understand this. However, I shall always remain a watch-dog as far as NRI/NRG movement is concerned to see the direction it is taking. We want it moving in the direction of breeching the wide gap between Goan NRIs that is existing and coming closer to a mythical UNITY. Afterall, Goan NRIs and NRGs is a very important component in the scheme of things designed by GOASURAJ for GOA. I fully appreciate your thinking but I must say Thank you, but NO. With kind regards floriano goasuraj Check-out the Road Map for Goa at www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: Mario Goveia Floriano, As you have realized, Vivian is an experienced and accomplished administrator. Since you both obviously have your heads on your shoulders, and since the old NRI association has been destroyed by the assorted pokhros, burn outs and military mentalities, why don't you two put your heads and shoulders together and re-start and revitalize the concept and hold effective functions that are well organized and would not be accused of being pochpochit?
[Goanet] Heinous crimes not unknown to Goa
Last week Jose Colaco enumerated some terrible crimes in Goa. But a reminder to a ghastly crime in Goa took place more than 3 decades ago. Gurunath the paper boy chucks the Navhind Times on a cool Sunday morning to our second floor balcony and in 36p Times Roman one reads 'Double Murder in Caranzalem'. A lady and her daughter were brutally murdered and packed in tin suitcases. It was Police Inspector Dhaimode who kicked open the suitcases after neighbours complained about the stench coming from a house in a place called Kerrant, Caranzalem, Ilhas. The victims husband was away in Bombay working, the cook was a person from the new regime and Belgao. It is believed that the perpetrator took articles from the house. After a six month police investigation the person Kumar was arrested in Belgao. Kumar received the death penalty and was hanged in Aguada jail in 1980 not by his feet but by his neck. = What have Goans learnt from this heinous act? Today Pe. Ferrao was killed. How many more Goans are going to suffer this similar fate at the hands of those from the new regime? BC ___ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com
[Goanet] What's happening to Goanet?
Enough of this nonsense. The past few months have seen Goanet discussions degenerate into mindless nonsense, name calling and foul language. I'm missing the old Goanet and I don't want to read posts like this that make no sense at all. As a result of this, for the last few months I've just been reading new threads and news related posts. If such non productive discussions by the same trolls over and over take place unmoderated, perhaps it's time to unsubscribe. Clinton.. Benaulim, Goa Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:47:32 -0500 From: CARMO DCRUZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] RE: Public execution To: goanet@goanet.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Derek, In some of the states in the US like Florida, we are fortunate to have the death penalty which serves as a strong deterrent. It appears that Mario Goveia and others are more for criminal's rights that victim's rights - all in the name of justice. In Goa we need to make an example of fast track justice and exemplary punishment for Amit and Manish who have already confessed to murdering Fr. Ferrao, to serve as a strong deterrent to Goans and esp the Bhailles. Besides Cruxifiction on the cross on Good Friday will have special meaning for a number of Goans and will send a strong message to the rest of India. A Fast track trial and death sentence will also be more humane to Amit, Manish and their families, rather than a long drawn out court battle when the odds are against them. If they implement fair and fast track justice system in the US, most of the trial lawyers will go bankrupt. Thats the problem here - May be the US and the rest of the world will learn a lesson if Goa blazes the trail and sentences Amit Shukhla and Manish Dubey to death via a fasttrack legal process by public stoning, crucifiction and harvesting of their organs for transplants. Carmo -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.6/288 - Release Date: 3/22/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.6/288 - Release Date: 3/22/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.6/288 - Release Date: 3/22/2006
Re: [Goanet] Portuguese Passport
Gabe has provided an interesting link. The following should be read with concern: Jhaveri would prefer to stay in Hong Kong. It's the only home she's ever known and she can't imagine anyone living in Hong Kong for 30 years and then moving back to India. But 1997 has her worried.' BC RESPONSE: Yes that is correct and neither the U.K. nor India wants themThe Rich Indians in H.K. like Murjani, will no doubt get residence anywhere, it is the working people who might suffer! Perhaps Tom D'Souza from H.K. would like to shed further light on this? Still 45 years or so away? I left H.K. in the mid 80's. Please read the link below :- http://www.journalism.sfsu.edu/www/pubs/prism/nov95/03.html -- TUMCHER AXIRVAD ASSUM; DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England ___ Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. Enter now. http://www.yahoo.co.uk/blackberry
Re: [Goanet] Crucified Upside Down in Goa
Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If repressive and oppressive regimes like China and Saudi Arabia are your standard for a civilized society, then you are living in the wrong country, assuming you live in a country where everyone's rights are protected by a functioning legal system. Yes, their punishments are swift and certain, and may terrify those without the power to do anything about it, but I will bet you that many innocents fall victim to their self-righteous wrath, and with the finality of a death sentence, there is no way to correct a case of mistaken identity. If you live in one of these countries, you are at risk yourself. Just ask the Afghan Christian currently being threatened with a death sentence for converting to Christianity, or the Catholics or Falun Gong members that are being oppressed and repressed by the Chinese. Tomorrow YOU, or someone you love, may be the victim of mistaken identity, or any charge that an adversary may concoct, and having destroyed the legal system of checks and balances, there will be no one to defend or protect you from some other self-righteous mob. I understand your frustration. But, what you are suggesting could be called the anarchy of the self-righteous and is incompatible with a modern civilized democracy. This is Inquisition type thinking and an insult to the benevolence of Fr. Eusebio, who was obviously not afraid of Hindu strangers who needed help. In a free, secular and democratic society, there is no legal way to scare away those you do not approve of. Using their organs for transplants is a nice try at rationalizing the lynching that is your real goal. This kind of reasoning is a slippery slope, in my opinion. Tomorrow someone may try to justify killing poor people, or the homeless, in order to harvest their body parts. I suggest we stick to the legalities of your suggestion within the context of a democratic society instead of wandering off into these other areas. Folks, If this is the kind of email that the moderators sort of allow to go thru, then I just shudder to think about the sanity (lack thereof?) of the other email that they have to reject (daily) from our posters. IMHO, the volunteer moderators on this forum are not fully appreciated. On other net groups I belong too, the technical man and moderators are all given a honorarium. I think it's about time the same is introduced here. Mervyn3.0 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet] *** GOA NEWS: Mar 25/06 - Goa assembly, Bottled ocean, Knife retrieved, Goan Heritage...
*** GOA NEWS: Mar 25/06 - Goa assembly, Bottled ocean, Knife retrieved, Goan Heritage... *** Goa Assembly witnesses noisy scenes Opposition today created noisy scences in the Goa assembly over congratulatory motion in favour of UPA Chairperson Sonia Gandhi. More at: http://www.newkerala.com/news2.php?action=fullnewsid=31116 *** Six persons from Kerala accused in murder cases arrested Six persons from Kerala accused in two murder cases who were taking shelter in Goa were arrested, police said. More at: http://www.newkerala.com/news2.php?action=fullnewsid=31164 *** Cops crack case of missing call centre employee Suspect Roweena has tied the knot with a colleague; hope to arrest him from Goa. More at: http://www.cybernoon.com/DisplayArticle.asp? section=fromthepresssubsection=inbombayxfile=March2006_inbombay_standard9274 *** Goa coast to host eighth Indo-French naval exercises from March 27 The eighth bilateral exercise of the generic series code named 'Varuna' will take place off the western Indian coast March 27 to April 7. More at: http://www.newkerala.com/news2.php?action=fullnewsid=30943 *** Bottled ocean water, anyone? Don't miss Subodh Kerkar's paintings, sculptures and installations exhibited at the Jehangir Art Gallery. More at: http://www.cybernoon.com/DisplayArticle.asp? section=fromthepresssubsection=inbombayxfile=March2006_inbombay_standard9270 *** Goan heritage hotels are a big tourist attraction The trend of converting old mansions into hotels is not new. Although restored centuries-old manors do not provide any of the facilities that traditional hotels do, they are still favoured by tourists visiting Goa. More at: http://www.expresstravelworld.com/200603/gogoa36502.shtml *** Goa Tourism Meet 2006 Goa is not only about sunny beaches; it is also the land of colourful festivals and glorious history preserved in its traditional homes, villages, old churches and temples. More at: http://www.expresstravelworld.com/200603/gogoa36501.shtml *** Knife used in priest's murder retrieved The investigating officer in Fr Eusebio Ferrao's murder retrieved two pieces of a small kitchen knife used by the killers, from the bushes near the church, this evening. More at: http://www.navhindtimes.com/stories.php?part=newsStory_ID=032420 *** Assembly passes appropriation bill The state legislative assembly today passed the Goa appropriation (vote on account) bill, 2006, for Rs 1,386.87 crore, allowing government to make expenses for the next four months till the full budget is discussed and passed by the House. More at: http://www.navhindtimes.com/stories.php?part=newsStory_ID=032422 *** Court sets aside impugned judgment The district and sessions judge, Mr Anand Salkar allowed the appeal filed by Baban Anant Naik and set aside the impugned judgment of the judicial magistrate first class (JMFC), Canacona. More at: http://www.navhindtimes.com/stories.php?part=newsStory_ID=032419 *** Fransa Pax team disbanded Upset over the All India Football Federation's Appeal Committee decision not to replay their match against Air-India, Fransa Pax chairman Micky Pacheco on Thursday disbanded his team. More at: http://dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1019624 Compiled by: Avelino D'Souza
[Goanet] Politics of Destruction (V M de Malar)
Politics of Destruction By V. M. de Malar vmingoa at gmail.com In the wake of the carefully planned pogrom in Sanvordem, many concerned citizens declared that the best way forward is to survey all religious structures and promptly destroy every illegality. It's a well-meaning prescription from unquestionably decent souls. But it is still wrong; this proposed solution is rather worse than the problem, it's shortsighted and takes no lessons from our long history. Implementing this proposal would be an exercise in futility, a revisiting of Goa's terrible dark ages. We need to take a few collective deep breaths and consider what can be accomplished by unleashing a pointless frenzy of demolitions on our traditionally tolerant and accepting society. First, let's not get distracted by religion in talking about that vicious little bout of ethnic cleansing. It plays into the hands of the architects of that disgrace; in fact it was quite simply a calculated attempt to intimidate civil society. It's still too early to tell whether the gambit has worked, but there's no doubt that it hasn't entirely backfired because even implacable anti-communalists got trapped into debating the legality of various religious structures rather than unanimously condemning plain and simple mob violence. The stone-throwers and arsonists in the mob did not act from religious impulse, they targeted Muslims not because of faith but because they determined (largely correctly) that Muslims were an easy target. But since we are talking religion, let's be clear that we enter very dangerous territory when we talk about taking bulldozers to churches and temples and mosques. It goes against public sentiment; Goans of all communities are traditionally tolerant towards the practices and institutions of all religions. We are an exceptionally spiritual people. Goan practices are uniquely syncretic and beautifully open-minded; look at the Sontreo Utsav earlier this week where Hindus and Catholics alike paid tribute to Shri Shantadurga Devi. People tend to think of theocratic states like Saudi Arabia and Iran as the most religious, but they're mistaken. It's India where religion really burns in the soul of all people rather than being imposed from above, and our Goa takes a back seat to no other place in the world for honest, deeply moving, expression of true faith. It is a great strength that has faced down invasion and Inquisition; we need to treat it with greater respect, not shabby and misguided condescension. Besides, haven't we had enough orgies of destruction? Our jewel-like Goa has been besieged by succeeding waves of invaders throughout history; each newcomer indiscriminately smashed the predecessor's houses of worship. The last horrific wave, at the hands of Portuguese fanatics, has left real, undeniable, scars; it would be really unwise to re-open those old wounds. Is the lovely Piedade church that sits proudly atop my own Divar Island incontestably legal, for example? It sits right on the ruins of one of the most important Hindu pilgrimage sites in India. Here's what Andre Corsalli wrote to his Medici boss in 1516, The Portuguese, in order to build the city, have destroyed an ancient temple which was built with marvellous art and with ancient figures wrought to the greatest perfection ruined and shattered, because these Portuguese care nothing about them. It was just one of hundreds of similar tragedies at the hands of those ignorant European barbarians. Aren't we wiser than them, almost five hundred years later? The sad truth is that we are being dangerously distracted, and ignore the really criminal illegalities right under our noses. Just this week, our inscrutable Tourism Minister announced that he has a list of 314 blatant violations of CRZ laws that protect our precious coastline, that these have been noted for appropriate action. Well, anyone who goes regularly to the steadily spreading tourist strips knows that there are probably 50 times that many outrageous violations, and the only official action taken is entirely inappropriate; bribery, extortion and more illegal conversion and construction. Why are sincere Goans losing their cool about each other's houses of worship, and not militating against this massive-scale, incontrovertibly illegal, destruction of our priceless environmental legacy? Bring on the bulldozers, by all means. But take them straight to Baga, Morjim, Cavelossim and then into the cities. Pry that list from Dr. Willie's clutches. It will be a good beginning. (ENDS) --- The above article appeared in the March 24, 2006 edition of the Herald, Goa --- ABOUT THE AUTHOR: VM is an early Goanetter, who put his money where his mouth is and returned to settle-down in Goa in late 2004, while in his thirties. VM
[Goanet] information required
Hi, Does someone with Portguese citizenship and a Portguese passport but working in the UK require a visa to enter the USA on a holiday? Thanks Helga
[Goanet] Domnic Fernandes' articles and upcoming book
Domnic has been entertaining and informing us in Goan Cyberspace for years now with his fantastic articles about the Goa of old. His encyclopaedic memory and narrative style is awesome. Over the years hundreds of people have been asking Domnic to compile all his articles into a book. Domnic and myself have had discussions on the feasibility of publishing such a book and have decided to go ahead. The exact content and format of the book, price, distribution, marketing etc etc has to be fine tuned - but the book is definitely on. Why I write this is because in recent weeks there have been requests from many quarters to host all of Domnic's superb writings on one website/webpage. Now this, we feel, would not be conducive for the sale of the book when it finally comes out. Very few people would actually purchase a printed book when they can read all the articles at one place online for free. Another bothersome development is that many websites and printed publications are hosting/printing Domnic's articles without even asking his permission - leave alone proffering any payment. This is blatantly unethical -besides being illegal. I can understand someone appreciating an article of Domnic's and forwarding it to his friends, saying You must read this! Great stuff, but to host or print it, specially on a commercial website/publication is unfair. Understand that Domnic has no commercial motivation in publishing a compilation of his writings, but would like to have a book to his name, to archive and spread all his writings. But with the way the publishing trade operates, and the slender margins after distribution costs, it is often very difficult to even break even. Specially when your potential audience is only Goans. Therefore my request to all you fans of Domnic's writings is to hold on to your horses and your purse strings. The book will be published as soon as we can work out the finer details and have a comprehensive enough collection of articles. Till then please do not attempt to make any online compilation. Any website wanting to upload (or publication wishing to print) an article of Domnic's is legally bound to ask Domnic's permission first. Let's do things the correct way. The Goan way! And just a teaser, stay tuned for Domnic's latest article A Reminiscent Tour of Mapusa Town in the 1950's. This is a Three Part series, in Domnic's inimitable meandering style, that is perhaps one of the best articles Domnic has ever written. I was lucky to have a preview of Part 1 just yesterday and am panting for more. Cheers! Cecil ==
Re: [Goanet] Re: Welcome to Goanet
On 25/03/06, Agnelo Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 21/03/06, Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] REPLY: Agnelo Pinto Ponjekar my foot! Your IP address forwarded shows that you are posting from the USA. REPLY: Dear Gabe, Here you go again. Only confirms you know ZILCH. I can be in any part of the world, and still be a Ponjekar. As I said earlier, you (Osama #1) have hijacked this forum. We need to promote religious harmony in Goa and communalism preached by any person (Catholic,Hindu or Muslim) should be condemned. RESPONSE: It is true I know ZILCH and you an outsider is preaching to Goan in Goa on how they should go about things, all I can say is Bravo! Well if I have hijacked this forum, please state how and how many posts per day - exclude the cut and paste jobs, which I was requested to do by the Goanet Admin. I call you a fraud, because you gave everyone the impression that you were living in Panjim. Don't try to be smart it shows and does not reflect too well. -- TUMCHER AXIRVAD ASSUM; DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England
Re: [Goanet] RE: Public execution
On 24/03/06, Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario responds: When someone is executed in the US we know for sure that they were guilty beyond any reasonable doubt. Then they are executed as humanely as possible. RESPONSE: Wow the USA must be some place! A place where those found guilty are indeed truly guilty and there was not a case in the USA of a miscarriage of justice. -- TUMCHER AXIRVAD ASSUM; DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet] CHAOS IN BANGALORE TOMORROW; IN GOA, DAY AFTER
http://www.businessworldindia.com/MAR2706/indepth03.asp Three to Tango No one transport system is enough to fix Bangalore's crumbling infrastructure. The city needs three Nelson Vinod Moses There is an ambitious plan to fix Bangalore's crumbling transport infrastructure. Ambitious, because it involves creating two new transport systems - a conventional metro rail project and an unconventional monorail project - and then meshing both into an existing network of 4,000 buses that run on 4,600 km roads. Bangalore is willing to risk such an audacious plan because it is desperate. Its roads are already gasping - the city has the highest number of vehicles per lakh of population. About 900 vehicles are added every day to the city's 26.8 lakh vehicular population. As these fight for space on the arterial roads, average driving speed has already dropped from an estimated 20 kmph in 1990 to between 12-16 kmph at present. Bangalore's reputation as a world-class tech cluster is getting jaded because of its poor infrastructure (see 'Holding On'). There are indications that the monorail will be designed to support the Metro. But there seems to be no coordination between the Metro and the Bangalore Metropolitan Transport Corporation (BMTC) buses, which currently services more than half of the city's transportation needs. But BMTC, rather than complement the proposed Metro, is seeking to compete with it. BMTC is talking about its own transport system; it is talking about a grid system. We are not aligned like New York to have a grid system, claims Ramanathan. Bangalore's streets are circuitous and winding when compared to the more simpler grid formation of New York streets. In the future, Bangalore will have to live with a network of three main transport systems - metro, monorail and BMTC buses. If many transport systems have to co-exist with the Metro and complement it, four main issues have to be tackled: comprehensive connectivity, integration of various transport systems, affordability, and marrying urban development with transportation, says Ramanathan. But all that is still many, many years away. First, given the state of Bangalore's new flyovers, the government's ability to finish the project on time is suspect. The city is going to get a whole lot worse once the digging and construction begins. We are in for chaos as the Metro is going into the heart of Bangalore. I have no faith in the (project's declared) timelines, says Ramanathan. -- The hand-writing is right there on the wall, amigos! Dont say you have not been warned. Cheers.
[Goanet] Priest Murder Case: Day 9, What today's papers say (25/03/06)
Priest Murder Case: Day 9, What today's papers reported (25/03/06) Thanks for feedback/support received (not from many though) OK, Let's see what today's Goan dailies reported (25.3.06). NAVHIND TIMES: Nothing, yes nothing reported at all. Didn't I say whole thing is slowly dying..?? HERALD: Page 3 KNIFE USED IN PRIEST'S MURDER SENT FOR TESTS. ...sent for forensic tests to Hyderabad. A Police team is also leaving for Nagpur to recover the clothes worn by the duo at the time of committing the heinous offence. ...Supdt. of police South Sheker Prabhudesai said the police interrogation of the two accused is in progress. He replied in the affirmative when asked whether the accused had changed their clothes after reaching Nagpur. ...also admitted that the knife used in stabbing the priest was a 'butter' knife, adding that only the handle of the knife was broken and not the knife. Asked whether the priest had brought the knife from the kitchen for self defence, he said 'the knife was on the table in the room of the priest and not the kitchen' He (Prabudesai) reiterated that the scuffle between the priest and the two accused ensued over some argument vis-a-vis the promise of a job for Manish. GOMANTAK TIMES: Front page MURDER OF THE PRIEST NOT PRE-PLANNED: POLICE Police deny that the murder of the priest was pre-panned The weapon sent to the forensic lab... Speaking to the journalist in the city (Margao), SP (South) Shekar Prabusedai said they were awaiting verification report of criminal antecedents of the duo. The police also said that though the priest entertained many visitors they never spent nights at the priest's residence. The scuffle with the priest arose over a job promise by the priest. The knife used was a butter knife that was lying on a table near the priest's bed in his room. Since Manish had to answer his exams, he may have sought leave the same day he added (SP). While DIG Ujwal Mishra disclosed that the duo walked a considerable distance before they hitched a lift to the city..the two got a lift from a truck to Margao railways station where they boarded MAngala Express train and got off at Bhusawal before heading to Nagpur.. The DIG Mishra also denied any sexual assault on the priest. === That's it for today. Now, please raise your hands those who did not read this post/update ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com
