Finally, the first hit on me by a Christian. My bothers the Hindus did so
in the past but realized that I am not after them and never was. They have
been some of the toughest so far. But that is straying just a wee bit from
UP Kamath's points. No problem, no malice.
The way I see it -- what UP
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From: Venantius Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chinese victories on the other hand are entirely the
effort of a state system.
Mario observes:
Venantius, you might want to reconsider the word
entirely.
Regardless of how much assistance the state provides
in terms of facilities, coaching
Dear UP Kamath,
There is a lot of depth to what you say about Maglorean Catholic women. And
you cannot be faulted one bit. Besides slavery, it is the enslavement as in
the enslaved mind that does one in -- as it appears to have done to the
larger Goan population. I do believe that Goan Hindus
Regarding the unabashed joy of Indians at Bindra's victory we have to note a
few points. Some of which I read three days ago in a piece by by Shashi
Tharoor the Daily Yomiuri (English ed). Indian victories by and large in any
field are largely by sheer individual effort and determination -- the
First of all this is a very pointed briefing from Rajan. Good job.
Secondly people, I know this may sound ridiculous --needless to say but.
perhaps its high time that the people began appyling faeces on the
faces of their retarded sarpanchs. They just may start to understand
on account of the
Dear Hartman de Souza,
You post was most intersesting. From a design and aesthetic(as in a lived
aesthetic) perspective to build a house -- say even in an abandoned or spent
mine requires vision. The only vision these freaks have is to eat where they
defecate. One often thinks, with all that
Hey people,
Its seems that there are a few technicalities involving terms.
To my understanding whether one likes it or not, Goans pre-1961 were
Portuguese citizens -- as part of Estado da India. Unless there are shades
in the concept of Portuguese citizenship that I do not understand. I also
read
Hi Selma, hi people,
A quick email from Narita airport.
I am not sure about precise origins being located in other languages, but
the word for sail in Portuguese is vela; for sailing its is navigatao
(accent marks omitted); sailor is marinheiro, and for journey it is viagem,
and for ship its
I have translated this poem for Goans, contemplating the rain in their towns
in Goa and in their hearts. Thank you Lino Durado for your advice.
Hanvem, hea kovitecho onkar kela Goeankarank thain, je vichar kortat zo paus
zhotta to Goeanche ganvani ani ap aplea kallzani. Lino Durado, tumi bud dili
Dear Augusto,
Absolutely brilliant and reflective, right down to the application of the
appelation of bhinktam to so-called respectable families. Genius.
Venantius
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:57:01 +0530
From: augusto pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Goanet] 28 Years After: An Olympic Gold -
A translation of Jose Salvador Fernandes'
Son'varachim Sungttam: Gõykarancho Otmo!
I have stayed on the side of the literal since it gives a better flavor of
the rhythm and pace of the Konknni language.
venantius j pinto
The Goan Soul (The Soul of Goans)
-- Jose Salvador
Dear Mario,
First of all, loved the smileys. Secondly, I have been informed that the
original thread has been closed. I also appreciate the prudent decision and
offering me an opportunity to present my thoughts again.
To clarify, my response was to an earlier post by the writer -- which I
Hi Cecil,
It is now referred to as frotteurism (also toucheurism).
The term frottage -- a technique employed to lift textures off tactile
surfaces. continues to be used in art, and was employed extensively by Max
Ernst — the Surrealist.
See below for a more comprehensive reference on Frotteurism :
Hey people,
A translation of Lino Durado's, 'Sorry! No Parking Zone.' The original in
Koknani is at the bottom.
Lino,
Good short story -- where you bring various threads together. Interesting
narrative structure.
I had a good time doing thing. Excuse any errors - if so then very minor for
sure.
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Theme*: Dramatic Divide: The distance between the powerful and the
powerless.
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venantius j pinto
Dear Eddie.
Allow me to answe this one.
Fodri, as we know, is slang in Konkani for vagina as in Fodri-chya (of the /
from the vagina); and would count as Indian. On occasion a term of
endearment among men in bars; the use of which, could result in being
blessed by a direct bottle hit on the
Dear Teotonio,
I appreciate your response. My point is strictly to do with the priests in
Mumbai, in the recent past (not the entire discretion of priests, as a
collective, but certainly a part of the mass of priests) changing names or
shortening them; and not about individuals changing or
Dear Floriano,
A superb and conscientious post. Well said..
venantius
From: floriano [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Goanet] Prof. M.S. Kamat - Mauvin Godinho and 'Pursuing
People'sDreams
(The only response I was getting from Prof. Kamat was Yes, yes and yes)
Not just the Indian registries but also, many priests in Bombay / Mumbai
hacked (better still dismembered) off the names of individuals when they
came to Bombay to get married. I guess it had something to do with their
modern proclivities, education and bringing order. So, a Maria Otilia Jovita
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Upon reading Pravin Sabnis' recent post what's your religion?, I
would like to point towards -- Dharma Prachar by Tagore bracketed with
my thoughts on the topic of alienation. The thoughts and reading of
Tagore began after encountering a post on Goanet: Goanet Digest, Vol
2, Issue 728, 2007, on C
Hi John,
Santosh is correct when he says The following definitions
ensure that almost everybody is a bigot. Note the word hypocrite.
venantius
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:18:49 -0400
From: JOHN MONTEIRO [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Bigotry on goanet - and Miguel Braganza
I guess
when I have ever referred
to anyone on Goanet as a LIAR. If unable to do so, I
am sure you will be inclined to retract your statement
below as totally incorrect and uninformed.
Regards
Cornel DaCosta
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My humble opinon
is that Dr. DaCosta
should not have use
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It is dismal to hear how such meetings are conducted. Was Mr. Damu Naik of
Fatorda, asking Floriano Lobo for a solution, a genuine query or tantamount
to an aggressive posture? In such a situation is it up to the aggrieved to
offer solutions, or does it merely amount to tum kitem kortollo tem
Tuka zanno zanvk zay?
'Air-Condition'-achi 'luxury' bhogpi kidd
Bonaventure D'Pietro
(Vavraddeancho Ixtt-an boroita)
Gormecho kall suru zalo mhonntoch, sonvsarantli choddant-chodd sonkhea
babddi gorment fugar zata, je Arbi desamnim chakreo kortale, tannim
babddeamnim kosleam trasanche dis
It is dismal to hear how such meetings are conducted. Was Mr. Damu Naik of
Fatorda, asking Floriano Lobo for a solution a genuine query or tantamount
to an aggressive posture? In such a situation it up to the aggrieved to
offer solutions, or does it merely amount to tum kitem kortollo tem pouya
True. Also, only one letter separates anger from danger.
As an example this may be a bit of an extrapolation, but as my mother says,
vetek chuklyar vavvank chukta.
vjp
Subject: [Goanet] Anger and Love - Thought for the day
To: edward lopes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*While Dad was polishing his new
Dear Satyawan,
I am always interested in what you write, and am open to hearing your take.
You seem to be either or all of an intuit, very perceptive, an
insider, or simply well informed.
BTW, since I love words here is something I find interesting. The word soter
which comes into Latin via Greek
Butkiss and Butkus are surnames. No bones [[haddan modi nakkan : ) }}about
it. I heard about a major football(American) player from my friend Gina in
1988. She was from Notre Dame, and a Lieutenant in the Navy, which she gave
up to follow the Design bug which brought her to Pratt Institute,
Hi John,
One cannot shame anyone these days. Having said that, if you or anyone has
information then pass it on to http://www.miningwatch.ca/
This is a good opportunity for any enterprising investigative types to do
what they do best besides having their work published. Information of this
sort
Excerpted from, Squeezing the American Dream: Workers Face Diminishing
Returns by Nicholas von Hoffman. The book by Steven Greenhouse is called The
Big Squeeze: Tough Times for the American Worker
A day seldom passes but a member of Congress takes the floor to remind us in
mawkish tremolo that
Rajan called himself a Bamon, not a Baman. Unless one is speaking in
Marathi, in which case it would of course be Baman. Also, it appears that
the sorting out of Goa's future, and that of the the various parties is a
continual process down whatever path it is being led on. Rhetorics aside,
Sandlelea'chem mohn bara kodhen.
Sandlelea'chem mohn dahn kodhen.
#521 in VPChavan: If a man has lost anything, he thinks it may have been
lost at ten places. One tries a number of ways to gain back what one has
lost.
venantius
_
From: floriano [EMAIL
Read Ivo Coelho's blog at http://ivocoelho.blogspot.com/
Until recently Ivo was the Salesian Provincial of Mumbai Province.
Interesting posts on Intra-theological dialectics, Phyllis Wallbank and
Gaspar Koelman's epistemology.
In his own words:
I am a Salesian of Don Bosco. I teach philosophy,
Hi Chris,
Thanks for your gracious response. What I particularly liked about it was
its openness in terms of receiving as well as imparting information.
I will put you in touch with Madhav Chari if you like or you may always
directly get in touch with him. He is now working towards inviting
Three feet of sovereignity, from HIMAL magazine, in On the way up by Kanak
Mani Dixit
http://www.himalmag.com/2008/june/on_the_way_up.html
venantius
Eugene,
I believed it was Trinidade, but its getting mysterious. Her name is not on
this list at the link below. There was also a World cup around that time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India_at_the_1980_Summer_Olympics#Women.27s_Team_Competition
- Margaret
Dear Rajan,
Conversion?! Ruppees to Euros/Dollars or religion.And if you mean religion
what have you unearthed that irks -- T-shirts too? Are the buildesr selling
for a lower price to those who convert? Are these Christian builders? Are
there many?
venantius
From: Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL
There is a way George, there is a way. If we manage to break free! If the
36 crore Gods remember that they are Gods. I include the Christians and
Muslims among the 36 crore Gods whether they like that probability or not.
Imagine the uchambov if the Goan Gods stood up, along with their ancestral
--
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 13:41:53 +0530
From: Dr. U. G. Barad [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Goanet] Subject: Re: Stop the 2 C's NOW!
To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
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Venantius Pinto wrote
Dear Dr. Anil Desai,
In my next response, I asked of Rajan the question about land conversion
ceilings. After I did that, I read your concerns and presume that I have
sufficiently addressed them.If you have read what I written in the past, you
will understand that it was a question. There are
Or Rajan, are you talking about converting /changing the ceiling on land,
where farm or wetlands becomes available for construction.
venantius
From: Venantius Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Stop the 2 C's NOW!
To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Message-ID:
[EMAIL PROTECTED
Dear Cedric,
You raise very relevant points. I personally feel that these guys should not
just be proverbially emasculated but castrated, Please people, now hold your
spines erect and do not cringe. To extrapolate an analogy from who will bell
the cat -- in other and better words -- henchyo
All,
Please excuse the following spelling mistakes in my earlier post.
The names are Angelis Sibelius and Primo Levi.
venantius
Hi Chris,
You do not have to trust me, but still Madhav makes times to smell the
roses. I recently worked over 111 hours a week and between 75-90 hours a
week for fours weeks straight and was smelling roses all the way. Also sake.
There are ways of being in the now if one wants to do so. And I am
Philomena Trinidade, Goalkeeper Moscow Olympics,
From B.P.T. Wadala, Mumbai. Now in the US. Sports Medicine. Also Hockey
coach if I am not mistaken. Practiced at Guru Nanak Khalsa college, and Don
Bosco Matunga. Often felt that the Salesians perhaps saw her as a physical
(tough girl)
An addendum:
Madhav Chari had emailed an earlier version of his response to My name is
Anthony Gonsalves, directly to Naresh Fernandes. The last piece has been
slightly updated and typos corrected,
venantius
To Goanet:
Rajan's analysis in his The builders' binary gambit makes absolute
sense. Rajan understands the cunning mind and its stratagems. I certainly
do, and perhaps others do too, but they are not talking and certainly not in
this case in the manner he does. No leader, businessmen or
All,
These are Madhav Chari's thoughts on Naresh Fernandes' article -- My name is
Anthony Gonsalves; and to be clear -- more in a jazz vein. Madhav has a very
cordial relationship with Naresh Fernandes. I could not get Naresh's email
since Madhav is busy and I wanted to get this out quickly. Gabe
What exactly are you saying. I do not usually get into dissections of text.
But I see something special in your paragraph below so have a few concerns.
I am referring you by both Satyawan Govekar as well as Satyamev Jayate,
since you do not sign your text with you Satyavan, although the root of
Vandana Shiva: Why We Face Both Food and Water Crises
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Aside from the title, what did the article really say. Is it one of those
plays on words to elicit attention — is it something else? Perhaps nothing
more than a ploy to gain market share, and sell more papers; perhaps a
genuine concern. The TOI pg 3 and further is a piece of shit anyways.
Bharat Ratna - the heist civilian award? : )
heist: To take unlawfully as in a robbery, thuggery, etc.!?
venantius
From: floriano [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Goanet] BJP and Mother Theresa
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!
goanet@lists.goanet.org
Message-ID:
The lure of Anjuna by Mayabhushan
http://www.himalmag.com/2008/may/time_and_place_may08.htm
My contribution is a spot illustration.
venantius
Purnanand Chari's words have deep resonance. Allow me a slightly different
translation.
Vingodd, vingodd ghantti, punn tancho sur ek.
They are various bells (all different -- a 'peal' of variegated bells), but
their note (musical) is the same. [The bells are playing the same musical
note--in
Dear Floriano,
Wow, now they are coming to take in the stalwarts so as to stop their
influencing of minds, who are looking for answers.
What can possibly be next -- TADA?
venantius
From: floriano [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Goanet] ALERT OF POLICE INTIMIDATION
This is to inform one and
Hello JP (??),
I am not ready to guess who the many are Satan's in our midst are. But do take
a peek at the words of Bob Dylan's Man of Peace at the link below:
Could be the Fuhrer
Could be the local priest.
You know sometimes
Satan comes as a man of peace.
Or better yet:
He knows just where to
From: Vidyadhar Gadgil [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Soter D'Souza: The silence of GBA is
What's that Hindi colloquialism: Choron ko sare
nazar aate hain chor?
Hello Vidhyadhar,
Seems more like Urdu / earlier Hindustani : )
Someone translate this into Konknni please, I mean
Dear Mrunal,
If I remember correctly the ships were named MV Konkan Sevak, MV Rohini, and
MV Sarita (later named Konkan Shakti). Before my time, there were the
steamships SS Champavait and SS Rohidas.
If you go to the following url, you will come across an elaborate piece by
by Cynthia Gomes
Hello All,
I would lie to share with you my response to a forward from Bharat, a
friend from high school. We recently got back in touch after over
twenty-five years. Bharat is doing well, a confirmed bird-watcher, PhD
in Ornithology and all. His forward appears after my text.
I am doing this to
Guys,
You are both on the ball.
Gabe, over the years I have seen people get mislead with posts that are
critical of life in the US. You point that well in your response. A lot of
the angst although valid, is almost self-fulfilling and the gullible believe
it.
Mario, I am charmed by your clarity
This email / response by Satyavan Govekar is is my opinion (as if it
counts) one of the most civilized emails to be posted on Goanet.
venantius j pinto
From: Satyawan Govekar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Goanet] Goan ... or Go On.Identity...and Mathany's
threat
What he did with
Needless to add, this piece is contextually applicable to to Goa
although it does not say so here. But the underbellies are being
exposed a wee bit more in the media. More power to the women,
stupidity too, and with it undeniably -- flagrant exuberance's.
I read the following and have begun Saiba bhogos(ing) till the closing of day.
Kitem tem Jezun Kalvarichea dongrar nimno usvas sartana mhuntlelem?
Aah, voi voi-- eli eli (eloi eloi) lama sabachthani! ([My] God, [my]
God why hast thou abandoned me!
A translation from the Konknni of Lino B. Dourado's, Don Tonddanche Monis.
People with two faces / mouths
Is there such a thing as a person with two mouths. Gods made (created)
his creations with only one mouth and when they go back, do so with
that same mouth. God, presumably created man in his
I believe that this its relatively not uncommon in India, where after
the post-mortem, the corpse may be collected for funereal services
minus a few organs, and none is the wiser, Something pathological
about it if what I have heard more than a few times, is indeed true.
Can one call them
Sharing a recent drawing of mine in HIMAL for a piece on Class
Analysis: Whatever happened to class? by Vivek Chibber. It appears at
the bottom of the article
From the recent issue of HIMAL:
http://www.himalmag.com/2008/april/cover_class.htm
How times change! For the past two decades, class
This one on CEO Alan Schwartz of Bear Stearns, current US welfare recipient.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/040408F.shtml
by Dana Milbank
Hopefully, this will not become a common reality too soon in India.
venantius
John,
A translation of Lino B. Durado's Kam' Zalem, Voiz Melo.
I will address some of the points in your email later.
Other than that let me add that Lino's writing has a peculiar depth
that speaks of the Goan ethos and is very prescient although in an
allegorical way—the title itself, leave
still very often be dealt with wit.
venantius
From: Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Fwd: SCARLETTE, MANNION ME - By Adv. Jos.
Peter
On 27/03/2008, Venantius Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good one Gabe.
Here is my feeble attempt in Konknni. I feel such texts
Public Art Grant 2008 - Foundation for Indian Contemporary Art
FICA, through the public art grant, encourages Artists' interventions
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seeks to foster open debate among artists, local communities and the
public and invigorate shared
This from www.himalmag.com:
http://www.himalmag.com/2008/march/book_shelf.html
Communicating Disasters:
An Asia-Pacific resource book
edited by Nalaka Gunawardene Frederick Noronha
UNDP/TVE-Asia Pacific, 2007 Communicating Disasters explores the role
of media professionals and their use of
This is from jazz pianist Madhav Chari, a friend of mine.
venantius
Hi Everyone,
I am happy to announce an upcoming performance in Mumbai with my jazz
piano trio featuring Adrian D'Souza on drums and Karl Peters on bass.
We will be
Good one Gabe.
Here is my feeble attempt in Konknni. I feel such texts should also be
seen and thought out in it Konknni--however sparingly.
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Ghoddghoddeant, viz ani pausan,
Kost vozon jednam att'pun,
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% positively. I do not think this data would
indicate love.
Venantius Pinto responds: The data simply indicates that MORE people viewed
China negatively. Why bring in love in -- is this some kind of qualitative
analysis?
If Venantius had read his own posting carefully, it would be clear that he
] India, sixth 'Wonder' of Americans
Venantius Pinto says: I see Indians as reasonably proud people, but I do not
see Indian politicians from the same mould.
I do not know what exactly are the questions that were asked of the persons
interviewed, but would it not be safe to presume
A few weeks ago, I had the opportunity to make acquaintance with two
individuals, one of whom mentioned The Standford Experiment, during a
segway -- while briefly talking about The Stockholm Syndrome.
Consider reading the following article, Is There a Dark Side in All of
Us? by Elizabeth
Dear Pratap Naik, sj,
Thanks for this information. I have a question for you, which follows
my brief comment. For even .24% of Indians to consider Konkani as
their mother-tongue means that the majority of those speakes are in
Karnataka and elsewhere.
If posible could you kindly provide
: Re: [Goanet] India, sixth 'Wonder' of Americans
I do not understand what Venantius Pinto is trying to say in context of the
subject line. The report indicates the results of a survey, and unless one
says that it is manipulated, one should take it at face value. And if one
says
Dear Jerry,
There are many sides to this popularity consensus, which is a
consensus to begin with. But should Indians even care, and who are
those that do concern themselves with such pronouncements in the
media. To be popular means you have something -- in the case of
humans; one is vivacious,
People, I managed to locate the book at http://www.publicacoesmaitreya.pt/
venantius
From: Venantius Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear Goanetters,
Does anyone have access to Froilano De Mello's, O Cantico da Vida na
Poesia Tagoreana. Would you contact me if you do have the book.
Dear Goanetters,
Does anyone have access to Froilano De Mello's, O Cantico da Vida na
Poesia Tagoreana. Would you contact me if you do have the book.
Venantius J Pinto
The point of accepting and assigning responsibility, regarding the
murder Scarlett Keeling, directly affects how we Goans see ourselves,
as opposed to how others see us as Goans, or those who consider
themselves Goans but are not living in Goa to suggest that the
snuffing of her life, as well as
From SAJA
http://www.sajaforum.org/2008/03/human-rights-ov.html
venantius
I find it peculiar that the questions which are being solicited to be
forwarded to Parrikar, are being debated instead, or beforehand on
Goanet!? I mean this procedurally.
venantius j pinto
If same-sex politics are to have any effect in Southasia, the
sexuality 'movements' in the region need to move out of the arena of
funding and into the sphere of independent thinking.
http://www.himalmag.com/2008/march/cover_same_sex_politics_southasian.htm
Dear Brian Mark,
I request to bespeak you indulgence at my thought. The verse of
Mehrota and Kamala Das will continue to reverberate. It is up to you
in this market economy to make those dents if you feel strongly about
your work, so you too may be heard. But lets interact this way --
email me
PS: I have deviated a bit from the topic in the middle and lower
portion of this post.
The existence of the Catholic clergy is not an easy one, and can never
be, particularly of those who engage with the flock on a day to day
basis. It gets further compounded when that interaction is within the
From: Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan archetypes, stereotypes and caricatures
--- Venantius Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyway, it appears that it would have been
acceptable had Helekar said that, Dr. Newman knows
more about Goa than most Goans, instead
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