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Gilbert,
Sorry to say this. But I think all your responses in
any thread on this and other issues stem from an
inattention to or lack of understanding of the
specifics of simple arguments. They invariably involve
substitution of adhoc idiosyncratic views and cliches,
in place of a cogent argument.
--- Velho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Santosh,
>
> Aristo is probably refering to the popular books "A
> brief history of time" and "Mind of God".
>
Sunith,
Yes, I know what Aristo is referring to. In those
books and other popular writings both Hawking and
Davies have mentioned god in a meta
-- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> My reaction to an atheist is "benign neglect" and I
>have expressed this before. It is no different as
>towards someone who smokes, divorced, lives a
>homosexual life style or cheats on their spouse.
>What they do is their problem.
>
What a horr
--- Jose Colaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I also submit that any reasonable person would
> realise that BELIEF is a purely subjective
(personal) process. Only close confidants are likely
>to really KNOW what another person's BELIEF truly is.
>
I think Josebab makes a good point here. It i
--- "Frederick \"FN\" Noronha"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>On the other hand, the 'Use your real name as the
>sender, not an alias' rule still stands.
>
This rule that stands is as follows:
"*Use your real name as the sender, not an alias.
*The Goanet Admin team reserves the right to ask
memb
--- Vidyadhar Gadgil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Finally, Gauhar Raza, film-maker and poet, spoke on
>the subject of "Myths, Belief and Scientific Temper".
>
Very few people know that cultivating and promoting
scientific temper, humanism, spirit of inquiry and
reform are the fundamental duties
--- "Frederick \"FN\" Noronha"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Santosh, That's *your* interpretation of the
> rule. To my mind, it seems a very clear
>re-intrepretation of the rule :-)
>
Frederick,
I think the rule can be made less subject to
interpretation, and unnecessary grief to people li
--- Jose Colaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I see nothing wrong with the above quoted from
Gilbert >Lawrence.
>
> All he says (in effect) is that he (Gilbert
Lawrence) would IGNORE an
> atheist, as also someone who smokes, divorced, lives
a homosexual life style
> or cheats on his spouse.
>
--- "Frederick \"FN\" Noronha"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Hi Santosh, I am glad that a section of Goanetters
>are speaking out in favour of a stronger
>interpretation of Goanet's rules.
>
Hi Frederick,
Thanks. Anybody who violates the rules more than 50%
of the time is a burden on the Goanet
--- "Frederick \"FN\" Noronha"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Do you guys remember the time when Herman suspended
>a member, sometimes in 1996 or so? I recall though
>most of us were angry with that person who got
>suspended (I don't recall who it was). But after the
>suspension, there was a whole
--- Aristo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Why doesn't America believe in evolution?
>
>http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg19125653.700
>
Aristo,
This is a major problem right now. Miller's survey and
the fact that 14 U.S. states have pending legislation
that would mandate the introduct
Aristo,
I hope you know that giving the long rope does not
work on Goanet and many such forums. There are
personalities here who cannot tell when they have
hanged themselves. Trust me, you will be disappointed.
Cheers,
Santosh
--- Aristo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Eagerly awaiting your rep
--- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This is the reason why I find Goanet so hilarious.
> I have fallen of my chair laughing. This post
> exposed the hypocrisy and the pseudo-intellectuals.
>
Gilbert appears to have now found refuge in
name-calling, while going through some kind o
--- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> In light of what you wrote below, and your high
> sounding standards you espoused for Goanet on
> another thread, should you not be apologizing and
> retracting your statement on me: "reveals how
> contemptuous and discriminatory Gilbert is"?
>
Selma,
I congratulate you on these beautiful posts of yours.
I have witnessed the transformation of many of my
older friends and relatives who had harbored bigoted
notions during my childhood. My experience has been
that most rational people are very receptive to
reason, even without the benefit
--- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Most Germans and others agree that Hitler and the
> Nazis were great during the first half of their
> reign. During this period, they pulled the country
> out of internal political and economic chaos and
> provided national self-respect after Worl
Haun tumcho sogleancho Akhya Sounsaaracho Goencho Dis
boro zaun gelo aascho monnun maagta. Renebabak,
Georgebabak , onollkhi Dubaikarak ani baakichea soglea
monxeank hi pratha komens kel'lea boddol paayaan
pottam.
Haun bhonvter aaslelea kaarnnak laagun maaka eka
zaagear bosun ho dis saazro korunk
Those who are new to internet forums should know that
such forums are frequented by curious personalities.
Here is a standard description of an internet troll,
which might be more generally applicable and might
ring a bell in your mind.
"Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism
(constructive or
--- Peter D'Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I found the comments below at:
>http://www.answers.org/apologetics/hitquote.html
>
>They should put to rest some of the notions put
>forth by the Freedom From Religion Foundation and
some >agnostic Goanetters that Hitler was a devout
Roman >Catholic.
Mogall Linobab,
Tumchem borem zaanv. Mhojim don utraam tumchea
likhaannank koximch laagpachi na.
Taalleo,
Sontosh
--- lino dourado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mogall Dotor bab,
>
> Argam Isvorak!! Tumchea kaman gul'l zal'le astana
> tumi
> Sonvsarik Konknni Dis monoilo ani amkam tumchea
> ko
I think ideological propaganda is unconscionable,
irresponsible and dangerous, especially in regards to
a grave public health-related issue such as this one.
Abstinence, fidelity and condoms are all very
important in preventing the spread of HIV/AIDS. The
roles played by these commonsensical measur
--- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Comment: In other words they are wearing more than
> blinkers!!
>
Gabe,
It is a good thing that these days the Goanet
administrators are rejecting a lot of posts from
curious personalities who fit the troll definition
that I provided.
Cheers,
Sa
>
>Engineering student Anand Dhillon sat with friends,
>sipping soft drinks. "I think the name is quite
>interesting. Tomorrow if someone keeps a name like
>Saddam Mutton Shop or George Bush Footwear, there's
>nothing wrong with that, is there?" he shrugged.
>
People in Goa have already started na
I expose below some misinformation that has recently
been spread in this forum.
ITEM 1
The website www.answers.org has been promoted as an
independent informational website. Strenuous objection
has been raised to the easily verifiable fact that it
is a fundamentalist religious website.
Evidence
--- George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Gilbert is definitely on to something and has really
> provided his own explanation to his question
> below. "Relative morality" has to do with one's
> relatives as opposed to "non-relative morality"
> which relates to non-relatives, both bigoted and
--- Aristo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>And by the way, I never repudiated Santosh's
>"outrageous language" in my first post on this
thread, >as there was none to repudiate. It is clear
that you >badly failed Satire 101 in school. (BTW,
Satire 101 is
>not a real subject, it is a jocular way of s
Happy anniversary!
I have nothing but the deepest gratitude to all Goanet
administrators and contributors, present and past. On
this day I especially offer my tribute to several past
contributors who do not post here anymore, and whose
posts I have thoroughly enjoyed because of their
literary val
e of
information, as suggested above.
A good example of an ad hominem attack is the
following quote from the above post, wherein my full
name is invoked, and my statement of a simple
indisputable fact that "www.answers.org" is a
fundamentalist religious website is being
characterized as
Can someone who lies about others and makes up fake
quotes to malign them be a Catholic in good standing?
Cheers,
Santosh
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--- "Frederick \"FN\" Noronha"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> PS: Lighten up, we all tend to take cyberspace too
> seriously. Sometimes.
>
Sorry, Frederick. You wasted your time at writing
something that did not answer my question. I had asked
a simple question with a yes or no answer based on
so
--- "Frederick \"FN\" Noronha"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>In our study we found that children with high birth
>order, Muslim religion, those residing in rural
areas, >children with low parent education and
socioeconomic >status and those from high household
size had >significantly low immunizat
--- "Frederick \"FN\" Noronha"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Why? --FN
>
Because there is a method to my madness, as I am sure,
there is one to yours. My method is as follows:
1. No unprovoked flame baits.
2. No response to an unprovoked flame bait when I know
that it is not malicious or abus
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ligion bashers were Santosh
>Helekar and company, as the archives will abundantly
>reveal.
>
I am surprised that this Joe is so charitable to me
this time around. But what is interesting is he only
resorts to name-calling against me here. To me it is
quite clear why he mentions my name, and is
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27;t
> bother defending your views. Let the chips fall
> where
> they may. For every one person, you offend, there
> will
> be two that you will educate and perhaps convince to
> your point of view. We are all adult enough to
> discern
> for ourselves exactly what we want to
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xcuses
and rationalizations simply don't wash.
I, Santosh Helekar, must be banned from Goanet if the
administrators determine that my e-glow of pure evil
or some other infraction violates the Goanet rules.
But I think that they should grant a special exemption
from the rules to Goveia, and give him un
e passionately telling a
> story, without reading the
> book that relates it. It would be illuminating if
> you first studied Santosh
> Helekars provocative posts, rampant incitement and
> abuse documented within
> the Goanet archives, before coming to his defen
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I think there already are some yahoogroups and cc
lists that restrict the membership and discussion to
be in strict conformity with their own ideology,
religion or political agenda. Those who are privileged
by birth, upbringing or indoctrination, to have the
door to these enclaves opened for them,
nca.com for
> details/booking/confirmation.
>
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Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >I think Goanet administrators should count all the
> >instances of name-calling by Joe and me, and
> >ca
I just want to direct people to a lay description of
the current state of neuroscientific understanding on
the irrelevance and obsolescence of the concept of an
immaterial soul.
The following popular science books by four of the
worlds pre-eminent neuroscientists present a lot of
the evidence th
--- "Frederick \"FN\" Noronha"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The "current state of neuroscientific understanding"
> is, may I suggest, wholly irrelevant to people's
>beliefs and faiths. So why mock them?
>
Frederick,
Could you tell me which sentence(s)in my post
constituted mockery? Or is provi
Dear Mr. Fernandes,
Whoever you are you don't know me, and I don't know
you. You have absolutely no idea about my perspective.
I write on Goanet just as any other person does, and
will continue to do so. Your bogus notions about
lording over, being smarter, and hounding members out
are figments of
Here are some comments on Peter's post.
--- Peter D'Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> SanTosh,
>
Please note once again the gratuitous distortion of my
name. I ask myself, why does this man do such a thing?
>
> Your double standards are not lost on anyone.
>
Please note the generalization
The post appended below propagates dangerous myths and
misinformation regarding cancer treatment in this
public forum.
Here is a link to an article from the Mayo Clinic,
debunking the myth that tumor spreads when it is
exposed to air, and the misinformation that some
experiment in mice showed tha
Kevin Saldanha "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Both you and Jose appear to have missed the gist of
>Gilbert's post.
>
Hi Kevin,
Sorry, I don't think so. That post was under the
Science and Religion thread. It made the following
unsupported and frivolous claims, and I paraphrase
(
--- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I notice quite a few doctors were in the forefront
> in their attacks on religion. Yet when it comes to
> abuses in medicine, they are silent. Or they may
> voice concern about "confusing Goan readers" by
> alerting them about poor medical pract
--- "Frederick \"FN\" Noronha"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> What is "modern medicine"?
>
Evidence-based scientific medicine.
>
>A god based on the status of the current stage of
>human knowledge?
>
No. There is no god in modern medicine.
>
>Is no rethinking possible?
>
Yes. Plenty of rethi
Frederick,
That is a horribly written article. Many of the
statements contained in it are demonstrably false.
Many others, especially the quotes, are simply out of
date by more than 30 years. The excessive use of
neologisms betrays the vacuousness of some of the
claims made. As far as whether one
I am sorry that Gilbert thinks that I have distorted
one of his claims, made a mistake on one, and
fabricated another one. Because of this dispute he has
gone on and said several negative things about me, and
implied that I am a fool. But I am grateful to him to
have at least been generous enough
I think Gilbert is right about his description of the
surgical treatment of ovarian cancer, as he should be.
The only minor point of contention might be his
rejection of the term "aggressive". The nice thing
about modern medical research, or rather, scientific
research in general, is that the lates
It turns out that the American Cancer Society had
conducted a survey on one of the cancer myths that was
posted in this forum. They found that 41% of the
people in America believe in this myth. Here is the
relevant info about it from the American Cancer
Society:
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/PED/c
]> wrote:
>
> Is there anyone besides Santosh Helekar who has
> completely missed the point of Gilbert's post?
>
Peter,
I think you have already demonstrated many times that
you, Gilbert and others who share your views are much
smarter than me at everything. I would therefore
humbly
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The post appended below propagates a falsehood about
me. It is falsely claimed that the following quote is
my verbiage, and not Gilbert's:
"Thus the grandmother's observation was accurate."
The truth is that this quote comes directly from the
following post of Gilbert:
http://lists.goanet.org/pi
I respectfully ask Gilbert to note the following.
--- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Santosh objects because of my reference to
> scientists, pseudo-scientists and mice. My apologies
> to him and "his patients".
>
Please note the reference to mice as "his patients" in
quotes, wh
There are at least four ways in which homosexuals can
have children in their household:
1. They can adopt them.
2. They can be donors of eggs or sperms for in vitro
fertilization, and implantation in a surrogate mother.
3. Female homosexuals can be donors of eggs for in
vitro fertilization, and
The post appended below sets the record straight.
Garbage and misinformation propagated in a public
forum must always be exposed.
Cheers,
Santosh
--- Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Mario,
> 1) Gilbert's original article was extremely badly
> written.
> 2) A board certified oncologis
Hi Gilbert,
My replies to your points are interspersed below:
--- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Should you not have done this in the first place?
>
Done what? Asked a cancer surgery expert? I had
already done that. I have had extensive discussions on
the topic of cancer bio
I request Gilbert to provide the reference to the
original paper that described the good scientific
study that he claims below was mounted to validate the
myth - Goan and American.
Also, I don't recall that post in the "Science as a
Religion" thread described scientists and a laboratory
that found
Gilbert,
I don't know why I have to stand on your shoulders.
With all due respect, I do not consider you better or
more accomplished than anybody else on Goanet.
Regarding your post, I have problems with the science
in it. I don't care about the language. I have already
pointed out some of the fla
Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> GL: On this final point, I ask: As a good
> scientist, should you not have done this in the
> first place? Rather than being a cowboy (to be
> polite) shooting from the hip? If you were so very
> right on what you wrote, why did you apologize to
Appended below are comments of a Goan cancer surgeon
and researcher on Gilbert's recent post on the
so-called Goan grandmother's kaanneo about cancer in
the "Science as a religion" thread. The name of this
gentleman is Jayant S. Vaidya. He has practised cancer
surgery in Goa, Mumbai and the United
--- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>When Dr. Jayant said no surgery, he means 'doing
>nothing' (an oversight reference to a trial).
>
The above is a gratuitous distortion of a pertinent
comment of a Goan cancer surgeon and researcher,
Jayant S. Vaidya. Words (namely, "doing nothin
Mervyn,
You are right. Jayant says that there is no
grandmother's kaannee or myth regarding cancer surgery
in Goa. Besides what he said in his email, and you
understood him correctly, I know this from having
chatted with him about it.
Cheers,
Santosh
--- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro
Those who have read the surgical oncologist Jayant
Vaidya's post that I had posted, and those who have
tried hard to look for the description of the
so-called mouse experiment in the medical scientific
literature would realize why the following quote is a
gross misrepresentation of fact regarding c
Jayant Vaidya is a practising professional and
academic Goan cancer surgeon, as well as a basic
cancer biology researcher. The post appended below
uses a hypothetical conditional scenario to
misrepresent his views and credentials.
Cheers,
Santosh
--- Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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