The site is having some trouble right now, so practicing is down. :-/ It
should come back up some time later today -- sorry about that.
FWIW it's unlikely to happen again -- we're currently on a rickety old copy
of App Engine, and we're about to move to the shiny main version that
everybody else
Do you have the link to that stats page, Luke? That was pretty cool.
2009/7/22 Luke Pebody luke.peb...@gmail.com
I used PHP in the Qualification Round last year, as did 117 other people.
2009/7/22 蔡智聪 braindevelop...@gmail.com:
I am wrong, Yes, every way or method to get the answer is
We're back up. Sorry for the inconvenience!
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Rafa Couto rafaco...@gmail.com wrote:
Yesterday, I printed and downloaded some practice, but it is as you say
since this morning. Oh no, that page is down right now... :(
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Marcel
I have downloaded all the problems and packed into pdf.
u can download it from http://sites.google.com/site/sunergostech/manish
This is one of my favourite things about Code Jam -- when people see
something they want, and implement a feature on their own. Thanks, मनीष!
We have no problem with you guys posting the questions elsewhere if you have
a link pointed back to us. If you don't want to put a link like that, then
we'll have to talk. :-) As for solutions, I guess we need to make this more
obvious, but if you go to the scoreboard you can download every
Thanks, Roger. Girish: your link doesn't seem relevant to this discussion
group's topic. Please try to stick to talking about programming contests.
Cheers,
Bartholomew
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Roger Leite rogersilvale...@gmail.comwrote:
No spam service, right!
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at
Right you are. The official announcement will go out some time tomorrow,
but adventurous souls may try registering now. :-)
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Hawston LLH haws...@gmail.com wrote:
registration has opened!
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:43 AM, zyx zyx3d...@gmail.com wrote:
after i click register, i was then led back to code jam page without a
confirmation notice, wonder if it is a bug?
Hopefully you should see a note in the top-right saying You have
registered...
You should also have received a confirmation email. However, you didn't.
We're aware of that and
Stay calm. The costs of a debugging a bug are still relatively enormous in
terms of development time. Rushing has a negative expected value,
occasionally it will pay off when you hack out a solution that just works,
but most of the time being slow and deliberate will be much better (is this
Those won't help; there's currently no way to change your nickname.
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:09 PM, arjun mamulla arjun.mamu...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Shreyas
Go through these links to change your nick name.
http://code.google.com/codejam/contest/irc_info
: kau.mad
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 2:17 AM, Bartholomew Furrow fur...@gmail.comwrote:
Link to Egg Drop:
http://code.google.com/codejam/contest/dashboard?c=agxjb2RlamFtLXByb2RyEAsSCGNvbnRlc3RzGIP6AQw#s=p2
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 12:23 PM, algo.maniac padhy.su...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi,
I
I want to know the opportunities given , if any?
And how much candidates manage to get those?
I think the answer to this question is what you would expect it to be: doing
well on Code Jam is a signal to us that you're good at algorithms and coding
small projects. It won't get you hired on
Thanks shreyas p and token0!
I have optimized my algorithm.Now I have got it.
It's so difficult fo me.
Mousetrap was a hard problem: 1715 people got points in the contest; and of
those, 387 tried Mousetrap's Large input; and of those, only 95 got it
correct. You should be proud of yourself
2009/8/20 Paulo Lúcio de Oliveira Júnior ufvpa...@gmail.com
偶是中国人,英语,偶是中国人,英语???
是人中英语!!!
Convenient translation:
Even as Chinese, English, even as Chinese, English???
Is in English!!!
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It's great that so many people are having
The judge code doesn't care which of the standard kinds of newline you use:
\n and \r\n are both fine.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Iuro Nascimento iuro...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I have a problem. I'm using a program to compare the output files(one mine
and another from this group) and the
What does one need in order to run CUDA in non-very-very-slow mode? A
modern NVIDIA graphics card?
On Aug 29, 2009 6:47 AM, Prakhar Jain prakh...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
There is no use in running CUDA on emulator mode. It would be v v slow.
If the server supports real time CUDA, then only it
I did my undergrad at Queen's University in Kingston, and a couple of other
members of the Code Jam team did degrees at UToronto.
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Nikhil Mahajan nikhil...@gmail.comwrote:
Mississauga here ^^
On Aug 21, 9:49 am, Andrew Tarzwell atarzw...@gmail.com wrote:
Actually I can't imagine for what GCJ's problem you need CUDA.
All tasks can be solved even by 80's ZX-spectrum.
Turn on your mind, CPU power won't help you.
That's not true, and it's a little unkind. :-) Our problems are designed so
that a pretty big range of modern computers can handle
As far I understood it's ok to use 3rd party libraries. So I suppose
it's ok to my libraries written by me too.
But what is not completely clear for me is if it's ok to add source
files that are written by me prior the contest (for examples java
classes that handle the google input/output
Dear Mehdy,
Iranian nationals are not allowed to compete. As I understand it, that
means Iranian citizens who are not *permanent residents* of another country.
Also as I understand it, that means that in the U.S. you would have to have
a green card to be allowed to compete.
Regards,
Bartholomew
Really?Iranian are not allowed?It's so crazy.Really bullshit
We tried our best to get permits to fix the situation, but couldn't get it
done in time. We're very optimistic about next year, though.
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25 hours of paranoia regarding the probability I submitted the wrong
large output for all three problems have lead me to think about this
idea:
The first line on all input files would be hash calculated from the
rest of the file. The output must begin with a line that had this hash
as
won't change.
Cheers,
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On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Mustafa Acer mea...@gmail.com wrote:
I am also for the country of citizenship. I was disappointed when I
wasn't able to see my home country's flag because there weren't too
many people from there.
On Sep 4, 11:43 am, Bartholomew
You advanced if you got at least 33 points and didn't cheat. We'll send the
official announcement, as well as an email about round assignments, some
time in the next few days.
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 5:33 AM, gun gunjan.m...@gmail.com wrote:
Could anyone please tell, when we will get final
Why you said that?
Recursion is part of dynamic programming (top down approach), am i wrong?
This is actually a matter of definition. I'd argue that a simple recursion
like that doesn't have any of the interesting properties of dynamic
programming, but I suppose you could call it DP if you
ACRush. did. Not ACRush, ACRush..
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Luke Pebody luke.peb...@gmail.com wrote:
Did anyone answer more than one large problem set but no small problem
sets?
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Bartholomew Furrowfur...@gmail.com
wrote:
Once again: if you have at
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Bartholomew Furrow fur...@gmail.com wrote:
Per rules you have to solve at least one small and one large input,
not score =33 pts.
While this seems to be same - ACRush. (with dot) will or will not
advance based on this.
Per current rules he
Thank you for the pointer. Please send any reports where you think someone
has cheated or is ineligible for the contest to
programmingcontestfeedb...@google.com.
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Doron doron.neum...@gmail.com wrote:
How come there is a participant from Iran?
I didn't get your last point that who is being eliminated because of
registration under false name??
There's a contestant who took the nickname ACRush. -- NOT ACRush, who
won last year's Code Jam -- who provided a name that was clearly false, so
he was eliminated. This sort of thing happens
We'll have to ask for your patience here -- we're working our way through a
large number of cheating claims. Plus it's a weekend, so a lot of the team
is recovering from a very hectic week. :-) Rest assured that if you have 33
points (and didn't cheat, of course), you qualified.
Regards,
We have? No we haven't! :-)
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 12:25 AM, ashish khurana
just.ash.wid...@gmail.comwrote:
No, day have removed the access to the settings page, now not possible..
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 1:39 PM, kiran deorukhkar kirande...@gmail.comwrote:
Can i change the time for round
I thought we can choose any google-id, and any nick name (of course,
by entering the remaining personal details correctly).
You can. It was his First name and Last name fields that were clearly
fake.
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I believe the most important to learn are STL algorithms and containers.
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You seem to be able to!
Please feel free to link to them and use them -- as long as a site isn't
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Attempt on 4, does not break, attempt on 6- does not break, attempt on 8.
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can i change my programming language now?
When we asked you about programming languages, that was as an indication of
preference rather than locking you in to a language. You can use whatever
language you like, as long as it falls within our rules.
Ultimately, as per your definition, is memoization a DP technique or
not?
I could not understand that.
Forgetting the definition -- which has a few holes, I'll admit
-- memoization is basically another way of expressing DP. It's rare that
you have a DP algorithm that can't be expressed as
Looks like we missed today, but they're pretty much ready to go and they'll
go out on Thursday.
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Bartholomew Furrow fur...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm estimating tomorrow (Wednesday, UTC -7). And, just so there's
absolutely nothing useful to you in that email:
All
If a person got in top 1000 in round-1A itself, then *can* he
participate in 1B, 1C? I remember it as, he/she can participate but it
wont affect the competition i.e. in those rounds (1B,1C in this
example)
No, there's currently no mechanism for doing that.
Vexorian: to answer your
any one got mail of round one ?
it's nearly Thursday over
Not in California when you sent that email. :) You should have received it
by now.
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Sometimes solutions run near the limit, and it can help to have fast
hardware; I'd like to think this is the exception rather than the rule.
With that said, it's a shame when it does happen. I'm hoping you can think
of an optimization or two that would have brought the runtime down by some
java drives me nuts for that reason -- old versions, at least, would limit
the amount of memory you could use to some constant. You have to run with
java -Xmx10 to give it 10^9 bytes of memory; otherwise it defaults
to something absurdly small, like 32 MB. Of course, my working knowledge
I think it is perfectly legal provided you include source code for the
parallel system you are using ( and that you code it)
Man, now you are tempting me to find a way to use my netbook's core...
Yeah, there's no rule against using multiple machines; just make sure you
submit code such that
minor point and irrelevant now, but the first example case in All Your
Bases implies the alien language uses a left-right notation. If that
assumption is wrong and they actually used right-left you'd be 54 seconds
late for the war : 11001001 binary = 201 decimal, but the reverse 10010011
is
To clarify: the contest analyses by Google are *not* out yet. Downloading
of other people's submissions, however, became available the second the
contest ended.
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Ferriludian cornelius.perk...@gmail.comwrote:
They're out already.
On Sep 13, 5:29 pm, Nikhil
Before 2008, Google Code Jam was run by a company called TopCoder. I don't
know where you can find their past GCJ problems, but I think most of their
tournaments would have stuff that's comparably similar to this year's
rounds.
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 9:13 AM, freemasons blakli...@gmail.com
while( scanf(%d,N)!=EOF )
Also:
int x;
while (cin x) {
}
works.
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On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 6:34 PM, gustavo pacianotto gouveia
gustavo.paciano...@gmail.com wrote:
If you were in 501st you should be OK. We'll be sending notice to cheaters
today or tomorrow, and then final, official notice to everyone the next day.
2009/10/4 serg tkser...@gmail.com
Hi, CGJ team,
When official results of Round 2 will be available.
I am wondering because in 2-nd round I
success. The similarity is too
subjective concept, an it's so sad that you use such vague criterion.
We didn't co-operate during the contest, you can't prove the fact. You
are able to disqualify anyone using such criterions.
2009/10/5 Bartholomew Furrow fur...@google.com
Dear
To follow up on this, has anyone not yet received a You have( not)?
advanced email? We sent them yesterday.
Regards,
Bartholomew
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Bharath Raghavendran
rbharat...@gmail.comwrote:
nor did i receive the you didn't advance to the 3rd round email yet :P
2009/10/4
Wow, that was an exciting round to watch. The analysis has been posted at:
http://code.google.com/codejam/contest/dashboard?c=243103#s=a
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We'll start contacting people shortly.
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 1:04 PM, e-maxx e-m...@inbox.ru wrote:
How could I receive an invitation, which is a first document necessary
to start obtaining a visa?
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On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Jeru jeru.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
So is there a timetable for things like the date the invitation letter
should arrive, the due to confirm VISA availability or something else?
On Oct 11, 8:06 am, Bartholomew Furrow
What the heck? That email looks like it came from me, though I sure didn't
send it. If anyone on the list has any idea how that could have happened,
please let me know. I have a few ideas:
- Someone spoofed me as the sender in a mail to this list, and Groups fell
for it.
- I have spyware on
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What the heck? That email looks like it came from me, though I sure didn't
send it. If anyone on the list has any idea how that could have
Apparently I'm not the only one they're spoofing now. I'm setting the whole
list to moderated for now.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:35 AM, Avira vexor...@gmail.com wrote:
Download AVira 2010 And key 2014
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Download AVira 2010 And key 2014
That is an excellent question! The finals start at 9:00 AM Pacific (I'm
way, way too tired to convert that to UTC), AKA 6.5 hours from now! You'll
be able to see the scoreboard online.
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 6:48 AM, condor karthik.tu...@gmail.com wrote:
what time is the 2009 world finals ?
recognized by Google. Can we print this
image and have it on a t-shirt? Any copyright issues?
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Bartholomew Furrow fur...@gmail.comwrote:
For those who are curious, I've attached the image on which the shirt
back was based to this email. Personally I really
There's one more thing that we announced at the award ceremony: Code Jam
2010! We'll be announcing official dates early next year, so keep
practicing, stay tuned and spread the word.
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I also want to know if we can print the image and paste it on a T-shirt...
OK, that took some thought!
I consulted with the team, and the responses varied between the cachet of
having the shirt is an important part of the prize, and let people do what
they want. In an attempt to achieve both
True that. That is my goal as well. Also Furrow, don't you know that
Announcing is spelled with 2 ns not 2 cs. Do I get a prize?
Holy crap, I had no idea that I'd done that! Good catch, but no prize. :-P
Oh, one note: sorry for the slow posting of messages over the last few days.
I've
Well, were t-shirts already shipped?
Because two weeks passed even after GCJ finals, and there are no signs
of it.
Thanks, Alex
I gather the Russian shirts are taking / took longer than the rest. Give it
another week, then email me personally if you still don't have your shirt
and I'll bug
To those Russians who haven't yet received t-shirts, here's the latest from
the Googlers who are making it happen:
We are very sorry for the delay. Unfortunately we have run into a bit of
difficulty in shipping the shirts to those contestants who reside in Russia
and are working on shipping
Apparently I was prophetic, though instead of week I should have said
day.
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Bartholomew Furrow fur...@gmail.comwrote:
Within the next week, I imagine; we'll send a message to the group when
it's ready. Sorry for the delay.
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:02 AM
About a week ago:
http://code.google.com/codejam/contest/dashboard?c=311101#s=a
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In the spirit of getting information out early and iterating on it, in this
email I'm posting our *tentative* schedule for 2010. This means that these
dates are *not final*, but are being posted here so you can comment.
It will be impossible to make everyone happy, so if you have
My understanding is that the Russian situation is proceeding just fine, but
that none of our shirts made it past the Ukrainian border. I gather there's
some sort of Customs/FedEx problem, to which we're working on a solution
now. Sorry about that. :-/
Bartholomew
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. That being said, if you do move it, don't move it to
the week after (May 29, 30) as that is Memorial Day weekend in the US,
and many people are out of town, unplugged. Ideally, maybe move it and
the qualification round back one week?
Joel
On Dec 17, 6:19 pm, Bartholomew Furrow fur...@gmail.com wrote
Indian Students: I'm assuming that for the Qualification Round and Round 1,
there will be some time you can compete that is not *during* an exam (unless
you have 24-hour-long exams). Will you be too busy studying to compete?
I'm just trying to understand the scope of the issue.
Joel: thanks for
Also: students tend to have stricter schedules that they know further in
advance, so they're the ones who are speaking up in the scheduling thread.
By the way, students aren't a crazy majority or anything: in 2008 it was
about an even split, and it was something like 60-40 for students in 2009.
Sorry for the slow posting of this email. Because of spam problems, this
list is moderated, and occasionally I've been known to screw up checking the
moderation queue. If you have a time-sensitive email, like a competition
announcement, please mail me individually and I'll try to make sure it
In roughly 3 months, we'll release a modified version of the image under
the Creative Commons license.
That day has finally arrived! The image is linked from
http://code.google.com/codejam/archive.html under 2009.
Cheers,
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Maybe just an additional dialog box asking You haven't submitted
solution for small. Are you sure you want to submit for large? You
won't be able to sibmit again blah blah blah will suffice. Just my
opinion.
That's a good idea, and one of the options we considered. Ultimately we
didn't
Whose solution was it? One round we had a contestant who used an unusual
compiler, and had a solution that didn't work in gcc. Maybe this is that
one?
On Mar 8, 2010 7:02 AM, Stephan09 stephan.ribe...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hello!
I was practicing with some old problems and tried to solve the
I don't think they will send it on Saturday, as it's the week end.
I think they will send it tomorrow (Friday).
You have no idea how much this tempted me to send it yesterday. :-) Emails
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In the off season this list was fully moderated, because spam posts were
outweighing actual posts. Now that's just inconvenient. I've turned on
moderation for new users, which means that you're moderated unless you
posted something reasonable last time it was set to moderation for new
The questions from previous years are available for you try. I think
the size of the input file should be similar for most of the
questions.
This is probably the best advice: try out previous years'. Be aware that
for a Small you'll have 4 minutes from the second you click download (and
hit
As a Google employee you will be ineligible to compete. I don't know if
you're technically allowed to compete until you *become* a Google employee;
it could go either way. I could check if it's important to you.
Bartholomew
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Maybe you could change it to Sign Up, Bartholomew?
There's actually a very silly^H^H^H^H^Hgood reason why we haven't done this.
Ask me in person some time. :-)
We're planning on a page redesign at *some* point which will hopefully make
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Look, I have a different situation here and would really appreciate if
you clarify that as well.
I am working with Flash AS3. I can make the Flash easily read the
input.in file and generate an output but due to flash's limitations it
won't be able to create a new output.out file. What I
Would it still be possible to participate, just without being eligible
to receive any prizes?
Unfortunately, much as I'd like that, we can't allow that either. I gather
that's not a Quebec thing, but has to do with the zillion other laws we need
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On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Gökhan Çetin gkhnce...@gmail.com wrote:
sample questions here mate
http://code.google.com/codejam/archive.html
2010/4/12 Vineet ghatge vgh4us...@gmail.com
Hi all,
I am very new to this
Dmytro,
All future Google employees are welcome to compete in Code Jam, but they
must stop competing once they're employed by Google. Since you aren't
starting at Google until after the finals, you're eligible to compete
throughout the competition.
Enjoy!
Bartholomew
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at
I think you should change your browser and try again.
No, this one's our fault. Sorry, Dhruva; I'll have a fix in a few
minutes.
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Sagar dhruva.sa...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Bartholomew Furrow,
Thanks a lot guys, I was able to register this time :)
Thanks Regards,
Dhruva Sagar.
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 07:45, chen liu mitchell.l...@gmail.com wrote:
I think you should change your browser and try again.
On Sun, Apr 18
Rajesh and others,
This mailing list is for discussion of Google Code Jam. While
we sometimes deviate from that topic, for example to discuss other
programming contests, this is not a job board. Please refrain from making
any further posts on this topic.
Thanks to those of you who have already
Heh SRM was just starting so I left a thought incomplete. I mean, it
is annoying because you have to spend time messing with your web
browser's file dialogs a lot, and then you have to use pipes to read
input and then there is always the possibility that you upload the
wrong output...
Hi Debashis,
Thanks for asking! The old email of mine that Paul dug up pretty much
covers it -- this list isn't the place for job postings. I've given the
description for the group a much-needed tweaking to help out future recruit
hunters:
A group for discussion of the Google Code Jam series
Please , could somebody tell me if people from Syria country can
participate or not ?
Being from Syria does not disqualify you (though it did last year and the
year before).
Best,
Bartholomew
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Also, penalty is pointless in the qualification round
This is absolutely correct. Penalty doesn't mean anything in the
qualification round; it only matters in later rounds, when the contestants
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Can you please add this year to the scoreboard all the coders who opened
the contest but didn't solve any problem correctly? That would be great to
do some statistics like simulating ratings like in TopCoder...
For technical reasons I'm afraid that's more work than it's worth (we'd
rather
There were a number of messages sent to the mailing list about this during
the contest, and I'm only posting this one because there are, well, a lot of
them. Please feel free to reply to this thread.
To clarify what happened, there was a 20-minute and a 5-minute event during
the contest during
Visit http://code.google.com/codejam/contest/dashboard?c=433101#s=a to see
the analysis. To see previous contests and their analyses, visit
http://code.google.com/codejam/contests.html.
Thanks for participating, everyone! We'll see 8523 of you in Round 1.
Bartholomew
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i have downloaded a 30-day trial version of mathematica 6.0 for gcj
which is available freely over the internet. so can i use it to solve
problems in gcj 2010?
From the rules:
Time-limited trials for compilers and interpreters are disallowed.
The reason for this is that if I've previously
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