RE: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:33:44 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Subject: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes the teeny tiny titty committee (picks self up after a good long ROFL) Thank you for that little linguistic treat, Mary! Laurie _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long)
Franchesca, Give your daughter a hug from me. All my friends in 8th grade were wearing bras and I didn't have a thing to put in one until I was in 11th grade. I learned later in life that being small chested was a blessing. My DIL also feels the same way. My youngest sister was well developed before any of my other sisters. Baby Sis is six years younger than me. My mother used to say, Wait until you have a baby and they will come. When that did work after my first child, she said, Wait until you are middle-aged, and they will come. After son #2 was born, I refused to breast fed, then they came in engorged. The pain was unbelievable! I decided that I would be happy with what I have. MY DIL used to wear a size 0 dress, and after her second child, she became engorged. She said that she never wanted bigger breast again. When I was pregnant with son #4, I was living with my MIL. He was an active child and loved to run his feet into my ribs. This caused my bra to move upward and I complained to my MIL. She was WELL-endowed and said, Honey, if I had as little as you, I would NEVER wear a bra. I got it! Official permission from my MIL to not wear a bra!!! This was 1985 so the no bra fashion of the 1970s made it acceptable. I have probably worn a bra 50 times, at most, since then. My breast have not sagged and are still like they were in my 20s. I gave my MIL official permission to my DIL to not wear a bra and she doesn't wear one now. What my MIL said not upset me. She immediately showed me the reason. She pulled up her blouse and showed me the heat rash under her breast, and the deep cut sores on her shoulders from her bra straps. She said that she has had them for years and they were very painful. My mother is large chested and showed me the same problems that bras have done to her. Last year, my mother told me that her petite chested mother never wore a bra and looked great her whole life. This was the greatest gift my MIL ever gave me. I have never found a bra that fits me correctly. If you are an A cup, you really do not need to wear a bra. But I understand the teenagers wanting to be in bras when everyone else is wearing them. If you really want to put your daughter in something, try a sports bra. My daughter hated training bras but loved sports bras. Today a lot of the teenagers to young adults are not real! They are enhanced and this is socially acceptable. We live in the fake generation. Fake hair, tans, boobs, hair-color, bleached teeth, etc. There are ways of hiding not wearing a bra (the nipple issue.) ***I started growing my hair long after son #4 was born. My hair has been below breast length since 1986. I never had it trimmed shorter since. Also son #4 when a baby would go to sleep holding my braid. Until he was five years old and he was upset he would sit in my lap and pet my long braid. ***I wear t-shirts around the house. When I first started not wearing a bra, I made sure the t-shirt had a pocket or printed logo on the front. The opposing side of the pocket, is where my braid or ponytail resides. If my shirt/blouse does not have a pocket or logo, I let my hair down. ***A Maidenform saleslady taught me this one. Don't purchase those fancy flesh colored stickers to go over the nipples. Only purchase the fancy ones for hot dates! Go to the drug store or supermarket and purchase large Band-Aids. They generally come 10 to a box for a dollar or two. I use the store brands made of plastic. The cloth ones have too much adhesive and can cause bruising or irritation when removing. Also remove the Band-Aids while taking a bath. Put a little baby oil on the breast after removal. The removes all the band glue and moisturizes the skin. For a person with small nipples, you can cut the Band-Aids in half lengthwise and use the remainder on the other breast. Someone with larger nipples, use the entire band on each breast. I have professionally dressed many of ladies and teenagers over the years. Here are some of the tricks of the trade for enlargement: ***I once had a student crying in the bathroom because her chest did not fill out a dress that she had to wear immediately. I am a pro at making boobs. I pulled some tissue paper and increased boob size the old-fashioned way. Needless to say, she stopped crying. ***This is my newest solution! Most of the cammies with an open space to slip pads in. There are also cups like a bra without straps or a back that will slide into cammies easily. But they do have a piece or elastic joining the cups. I have also sewn cups into some evening dresses. ***Another solution that I use, is to purchase these empire waisted tops with the cups built in without underwires. I wear them under close fitting tops. These tops come in various colors and have spaghetti straps. I have found at Macy's and JC Penneys. I purchased every color available. The down
Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long)
I am sending my message again. I am sorry for two things. First apology, some of you may not have received my first message because s-p-a-mwas written in the subject header. Below is my reply again. Sometimes my anti-spamware tags okay messages with the word spam in the subject header. I replied and forgot to remove the word from the header. My second apology is to those on digest mode. I forgot to delete out the old messages from the tail of my message. I was on digest mode last week and know what a pain it is when people do not delete out the old message when replying. For those who missed this the first time... Franchesca, Give your daughter a hug from me. All my friends in 8th grade were wearing bras and I didn't have a thing to put in one until I was in 11th grade. I learned later in life that being small chested was a blessing. My DIL also feels the same way. My youngest sister was well developed before any of my other sisters. Baby Sis is six years younger than me. My mother used to say, Wait until you have a baby and they will come. When that did work after my first child, she said, Wait until you are middle-aged, and they will come. After son #2 was born, I refused to breast fed, then they came in engorged. The pain was unbelievable! I decided that I would be happy with what I have. MY DIL used to wear a size 0 dress, and after her second child, she became engorged. She said that she never wanted bigger breast again. When I was pregnant with son #4, I was living with my MIL. He was an active child and loved to run his feet into my ribs. This caused my bra to move upward and I complained to my MIL. She was WELL-endowed and said, Honey, if I had as little as you, I would NEVER wear a bra. I got it! Official permission from my MIL to not wear a bra!!! This was 1985 so the no bra fashion of the 1970s made it acceptable. I have probably worn a bra 50 times, at most, since then. My breast have not sagged and are still like they were in my 20s. I gave my MIL official permission to my DIL to not wear a bra and she doesn't wear one now. What my MIL said not upset me. She immediately showed me the reason. She pulled up her blouse and showed me the heat rash under her breast, and the deep cut sores on her shoulders from her bra straps. She said that she has had them for years and they were very painful. My mother is large chested and showed me the same problems that bras have done to her. Last year, my mother told me that her petite chested mother never wore a bra and looked great her whole life. This was the greatest gift my MIL ever gave me. I have never found a bra that fits me correctly. If you are an A cup, you really do not need to wear a bra. But I understand the teenagers wanting to be in bras when everyone else is wearing them. If you really want to put your daughter in something, try a sports bra. My daughter hated training bras but loved sports bras. Today a lot of the teenagers to young adults are not real! They are enhanced and this is socially acceptable. We live in the fake generation. Fake hair, tans, boobs, hair-color, bleached teeth, etc. There are ways of hiding not wearing a bra (the nipple issue.) ***I started growing my hair long after son #4 was born. My hair has been below breast length since 1986. I never had it trimmed shorter since. Also son #4 when a baby would go to sleep holding my braid. Until he was five years old and he was upset he would sit in my lap and pet my long braid. ***I wear t-shirts around the house. When I first started not wearing a bra, I made sure the t-shirt had a pocket or printed logo on the front. The opposing side of the pocket, is where my braid or ponytail resides. If my shirt/blouse does not have a pocket or logo, I let my hair down. ***A Maidenform saleslady taught me this one. Don't purchase those fancy flesh colored stickers to go over the nipples. Only purchase the fancy ones for hot dates! Go to the drug store or supermarket and purchase large Band-Aids. They generally come 10 to a box for a dollar or two. I use the store brands made of plastic. The cloth ones have too much adhesive and can cause bruising or irritation when removing. Also remove the Band-Aids while taking a bath. Put a little baby oil on the breast after removal. The removes all the band glue and moisturizes the skin. For a person with small nipples, you can cut the Band-Aids in half lengthwise and use the remainder on the other breast. Someone with larger nipples, use the entire band on each breast. I have professionally dressed many of ladies and teenagers over the years. Here are some of the tricks of the trade for enlargement: ***I once had a student crying in the bathroom because her chest did not fill out a dress that she had to wear immediately. I am a pro at making boobs. I pulled some tissue paper and increased boob size the old-fashioned way.
Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long)
Lastly, one of the principal problems with cup sizes is that everyone's bust is not shaped the same way. Some are completely rounded, some have more tissue underneath and to the sides, etc. That is why if you find a bra manufacturer that you like, stick with them. Most manufacturers do not change their cup sizing molds for years. Playtex is now making some of its bras in half cup sizes - newspaper article last week in England. However, needless to say the larger sizes are not included, and I will have to continue to take tucks in some of my bras to make them fit. I could really do with a C and a half! Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes
Hee, hee, hee. Goes along with the itty bitty bladder club (only better) PAtty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of zelda crusher Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 11:15 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:33:44 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Subject: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes the teeny tiny titty committee (picks self up after a good long ROFL) Thank you for that little linguistic treat, Mary! Laurie _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx_ __ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] more on tea gowns
Fran and Kathleen wrote about the tea gown for the Belle Epoque (thank you for not reminding me of my spelling error) period. For your further guidance, I will be a visitor at a hotel where the event is held. I am, ahem, not a young girl, nor likely to fool anyone that I will be near that age again, but I am divorced. Given this information, and the additional concern that this is not in my home, nor am I a guest of someone else, what should I do to be appropriately dressed? Thank you for all of the information about the beautiful gowns! Did the exhibition of gowns have a catalog? I will be looking at purchasing the referenced books, but do not wish to embarrass myself in my enthusiasm. Are there specific references to the service of tea that will help me learn a bit more? Ann -- What wisdom can you find that is not greater than kindness? - Jean Jacques Rousseau ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Give your daughter a hug from me. All my friends in 8th grade were wearing bras and I didn't have a thing to put in one until I was in 11th grade. One comment. Read some books by MD John McDougall; in particular a book he wrote just for women. Puberty is accelerated by a high fat diet. Our SAD (Standard Wester Diet) is unpresidented in history and a side effect of high fat, high protein, high animal proteins is that the age of menarch is reduced. This results in a dramatic increase in breast (and other hormone cancers). A vegetarian diet will cut your hormones in half, delay menarch, make menopause come a few years sooner, remove/reduce PMS and more. That's based upon research and personal experience of friends. Of course one can be obese and unhealthy on a vegetarian diet- eat lots of animal proteins (cheese, diary), lots of processed foods I highly recommend reading The China Study by T. Colin Campbell and books by MDs John McDougall, Joel Fuhrman (esp. the book for kids), Dr Esselstyn, Neil Barnard and of course John Robbins. The dramtic rise in obestity, heart disease, cancer, autoimmune diseases like MS, type II diabeties, and the host of other western diseases aka the diseases of the kings are due to our SAD diet and lifestyle. You are what you eat and we currently eat a diet which has no history of safe consumption; a chemical hodgepodge of things which our body is not adapted to. The amazing thing is that most of those diseases can be reversed by a healthy diet. Decades of dammage can be undone; medications tossed aside. The nice thing about a change in diet is that there are no nasty side effects as there are with ALL drugs; no surgery is necessary and it costs nothing. Another excellent book is Overdosed America by an MD who researched changes he saw happening in his practice. It's quite an eye opener. When my wife discovered a book of mine - Diet For a Small Planet we were whole-food vegetarian, for environmental reasons, the next day. After much research I went pretty well whole-food vegan. Whole-food; not processed crap food - 80% whole carbs, 10% plant protein, 10% fats from foods; not added fats when cooking. Our weight droped; our blood cholesterol fell thru the floor (135 anyone?) to a level that is likely undoing the dammage of decades of eating SAD, gums are better, teeth don't require scaling and many other side effects. I pity the children being raised eating a SAD. I see them in the playgrounds; obese parents and kids already there or getting there. The health problems of the parents are visited upon the children decades earlier in life. In Britain there have already been court cases - taking parents to court for the health effects of what the parents are doing to the children. If what you eat makes you unhealthy you can expect it to have the same effect on your kids! Anyways; read the books; The China Study in particular. Please don't take this personally. I'm not going to post about this again. I've got family and friends that match the above situation. They're too busy (we suggest reading about Voluntary Simplicity) or the ridicule our diet as their health and lives sink; as they get hospitalized as they live it up and go from obese with diabeties to being on dialsis, to loosing their vision (typically due to high cholesterol from the diet) One can pray and inform and lead by example but as they say - we dig our graves with our teeth. It's all been known for a long long time. - Eric ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] more on tea gowns
I would concentrate on the Season of the Tea...Not quite so frou-frou as the summer season would be. Something classy but in a fall mode: a silk faille suit with lace insertions, and of course, THE HAT! Also of consideration is the time of day for the event. The closer to evening, the dressier the ensemble. There were several films done in the 1970-80s that captured the feel of the times that might be of use to you in trying to get the right look for your age and status. kathleen - Original Message - From: ann marie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bostonians mail.indra.com Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:15 AM Subject: [h-cost] more on tea gowns Fran and Kathleen wrote about the tea gown for the Belle Epoque (thank you for not reminding me of my spelling error) period. For your further guidance, I will be a visitor at a hotel where the event is held. I am, ahem, not a young girl, nor likely to fool anyone that I will be near that age again, but I am divorced. Given this information, and the additional concern that this is not in my home, nor am I a guest of someone else, what should I do to be appropriately dressed? Thank you for all of the information about the beautiful gowns! Did the exhibition of gowns have a catalog? I will be looking at purchasing the referenced books, but do not wish to embarrass myself in my enthusiasm. Are there specific references to the service of tea that will help me learn a bit more? Ann -- What wisdom can you find that is not greater than kindness? - Jean Jacques Rousseau ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long)
Quoting Penny Ladnier [EMAIL PROTECTED]: When we recently purchased bras at Maidenform, the saleslady told us that if you can not find the exact bra size to go up to the next number and down a cup size. This worked for my daughter. We did this because the selection in styles were limited at her true size. Another test if a bra is fitting correctly is if the chest strap between the breast lays flat against the chest. If the strap is away from the center chest, the bra is not the correct size. If only! I have no back -- it's all boobage. I really want a band of 34 (or even 32) -- some 34s are too big, so I really *can't* go up to a 36. Trying to find a 32DD was hard, but this is ridiculous! Let me rephrase that, when I can find them, I can't afford them. *sigh* I do, however, have insurance now. susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long)
My mother had the same problem - Title 9 catalogue had some that would fit her, but as you say $$$. Patty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Farmer Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:44 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) Quoting Penny Ladnier [EMAIL PROTECTED]: When we recently purchased bras at Maidenform, the saleslady told us that if you can not find the exact bra size to go up to the next number and down a cup size. This worked for my daughter. We did this because the selection in styles were limited at her true size. Another test if a bra is fitting correctly is if the chest strap between the breast lays flat against the chest. If the strap is away from the center chest, the bra is not the correct size. If only! I have no back -- it's all boobage. I really want a band of 34 (or even 32) -- some 34s are too big, so I really *can't* go up to a 36. Trying to find a 32DD was hard, but this is ridiculous! Let me rephrase that, when I can find them, I can't afford them. *sigh* I do, however, have insurance now. susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I'm currently trying to figure out how to build my own...I have a full cup size difference--left is a dd and right is a d. And normal bands just roll up on me, straps are too short...*sigh* so my bras either ride up the back, fall off my shoulders or curl up in front and I fall out the bottom. And I started out a 36B -- until kids. Starr When we recently purchased bras at Maidenform, the saleslady told us that if you can not find the exact bra size to go up to the next number and down a cup size. This worked for my daughter. We did this because the selection in styles were limited at her true size. Another test if a bra is fitting correctly is if the chest strap between the breast lays flat against the chest. If the strap is away from the center chest, the bra is not the correct size. If only! I have no back -- it's all boobage. I really want a band of 34 (or even 32) -- some 34s are too big, so I really *can't* go up to a 36. Trying to find a 32DD was hard, but this is ridiculous! Let me rephrase that, when I can find them, I can't afford them. *sigh* I do, however, have insurance now. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long)
speaking as a natural 34G, who has the same problem, have to say, I'm with you!!! In a message dated 01/10/2007 15:54:41 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If only! I have no back -- it's all boobage. I really want a band of 34 (or even 32) -- some 34s are too big, so I really *can't* go up to a 36. Trying to find a 32DD was hard, but this is ridiculous! Let me rephrase that, when I can find them, I can't afford them. *sigh* I do, however, have insurance now. susan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long)
Quoting Rickard, Patty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My mother had the same problem - Title 9 catalogue had some that would fit her, but as you say $$$. Last time I looked (1988), they were $100 . susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long)
WOW! - Check current catalogue - the one I looked at was $49 (I thought that was a lot!) Patty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Farmer Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 11:11 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) Quoting Rickard, Patty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My mother had the same problem - Title 9 catalogue had some that would fit her, but as you say $$$. Last time I looked (1988), they were $100 . susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Interesting. I have a minimal figure and wear a bra for appearance rather than necessity (don't fancy Penny's sticking-plaster idea!). I always choose underwired styles so that if I slip out from underneath it holds its shape and I can shrug myself back in! I've never had a problem with the wires poking out. Kate Bunting ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Have any of you checked out Caccique bras? I swear by them. They seem to be able to comfortably fit anyone and come in a variety of styles. The big selling point for me is that while I'm not all that busty, I have a rib cage that belongs on a football player, and could never find bras that fit right until I found them. Lane Bryant carries the line. Arlys On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 08:46:50 +0100 Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lastly, one of the principal problems with cup sizes is that everyone's bust is not shaped the same way. Some are completely rounded, some have more tissue underneath and to the sides, etc. That is why if you find a bra manufacturer that you like, stick with them. Most manufacturers do not change their cup sizing molds for years. Playtex is now making some of its bras in half cup sizes - newspaper article last week in England. However, needless to say the larger sizes are not included, and I will have to continue to take tucks in some of my bras to make them fit. I could really do with a C and a half! Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long)
So how do you deal with try before you buy? I'm so weirdly shaped that different styles from the same manufacturer don't always fit. I wore *one* style of bra for 20 years because none of Bali's other styles fit! susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Rickard, Patty wrote: WOW! - Check current catalogue - the one I looked at was $49 (I thought that was a lot!) I think that's about average for a higher quality bra these days. As we age our bodies change, for a variety of reasons. When you're 40, you don't wear a bra for the same reason you did when you were 15. A lot of us are probably still trying to buy the same size and style we wore in high school. I think a lot of people need to re-asses their bra. Every time I hear someone say the straps cut in or the wire hurts,or it shifts around, or some other uncomfortable thing, I know they're not wearing the right size and shape of bra. It is *sooo* worth it to get professionally fitted. I had it done earlier this year and I can't recommend it enough. Not all bras are equal. I must have tried on 6 before finding one that fit and felt right for my body. I used to go bra-less some days because of the comfort, now I forget I am wearing one because they are so comfortable. I no longer buy the flimsy twisty things from discount department stores. As historic costumers we make a big fuss about the comfort of corsets, making sure we get one properly fitted to us so it will be comfortable. We make sure we have the right shape for our figure and our clothing. We choose high quality materials and we carefully handwash the garment when it is soiled. But many of us do not take the same care with our modern underpinnings. And why not? It makes all the difference when it comes to our personal comfort. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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WOOT!! Thanks everyone!! I found the perfect bra for my daughter. :) http://www3.jcpenney.com/jcp/Products.aspx?GrpTyp=PRDItemID=125cf98RefPage=ProductsStoreRegNo=catalog_base=firstpage=CmCatId=SearchResults|SearchDepartment|SearchProducts|42249cmOrigID=125CFA2cmPosID=2 I know, long link, but it is a maidenform sold at my local JCPenney. Going to run there today and get them for her. Front closure with no underwire! She will be happpy now to go to the showers with this pretty thing. :) She currently wears the cami's with the extra shelf in it but she wants to 'look like the other girls'. Sigh. Baby steps Chiara On 10/1/07, Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rickard, Patty wrote: WOW! - Check current catalogue - the one I looked at was $49 (I thought that was a lot!) I think that's about average for a higher quality bra these days. As we age our bodies change, for a variety of reasons. When you're 40, you don't wear a bra for the same reason you did when you were 15. A lot of us are probably still trying to buy the same size and style we wore in high school. I think a lot of people need to re-asses their bra. Every time I hear someone say the straps cut in or the wire hurts,or it shifts around, or some other uncomfortable thing, I know they're not wearing the right size and shape of bra. It is *sooo* worth it to get professionally fitted. I had it done earlier this year and I can't recommend it enough. Not all bras are equal. I must have tried on 6 before finding one that fit and felt right for my body. I used to go bra-less some days because of the comfort, now I forget I am wearing one because they are so comfortable. I no longer buy the flimsy twisty things from discount department stores. As historic costumers we make a big fuss about the comfort of corsets, making sure we get one properly fitted to us so it will be comfortable. We make sure we have the right shape for our figure and our clothing. We choose high quality materials and we carefully handwash the garment when it is soiled. But many of us do not take the same care with our modern underpinnings. And why not? It makes all the difference when it comes to our personal comfort. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Quoting Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Rickard, Patty wrote: WOW! - Check current catalogue - the one I looked at was $49 (I thought that was a lot!) It is *sooo* worth it to get professionally fitted. I had it done earlier this year and I can't recommend it enough. Not all bras are equal. I must have tried on 6 before finding one that fit and felt right for my body. I used to go bra-less some days because of the comfort, now I forget I am wearing one because they are so comfortable. I no longer buy the flimsy twisty things from discount department stores. I second that; I was able to be fitted exactly once. However, when the store that's doing the fittings doesn't have anything that will fit you because most mass market bra manufactures thing that if you wear a G (or higher cup) then you need a bra band of 38 or so rather than 32/34 . That's why I don't want to mail order a bra that I can't try on first. susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long)
Have you tried places like http://sewtrue.com/Store/Bridal-and-Formal-Supplies-C12/ that sell the parts and then you put it together? Chiara On 10/1/07, Brangwyne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm currently trying to figure out how to build my own...I have a full cup size difference--left is a dd and right is a d. And normal bands just roll up on me, straps are too short...*sigh* so my bras either ride up the back, fall off my shoulders or curl up in front and I fall out the bottom. And I started out a 36B -- until kids. Starr When we recently purchased bras at Maidenform, the saleslady told us that if you can not find the exact bra size to go up to the next number and down a cup size. This worked for my daughter. We did this because the selection in styles were limited at her true size. Another test if a bra is fitting correctly is if the chest strap between the breast lays flat against the chest. If the strap is away from the center chest, the bra is not the correct size. If only! I have no back -- it's all boobage. I really want a band of 34 (or even 32) -- some 34s are too big, so I really *can't* go up to a 36. Trying to find a 32DD was hard, but this is ridiculous! Let me rephrase that, when I can find them, I can't afford them. *sigh* I do, however, have insurance now. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Bra fitting
Don't give-up looking for that FIT. It's out there or at least will be soon. I would like to say that bra technology today has helped me. I had a lumpectomy eight years ago which cost me nearly half of what I had and went from looking like an early Rubin's to a Picasso. My right is a 36D when measured the standard way; can't guess what the left is ha ha. The Victoria's Secret IPEX (and one Body style) fits wonderfully. I have tried several styles, shapes, brands, and even most of VS. Something about the IPEX comfy stretch and coverage. I will say that I have chosen not to reconstruct and you can tell the lopsided difference if really looking. However, for the most part it feels great, helps me look good, and even boosts my confidence. The one draw back is price. I got the VS card for the coupons and special offers thus making the price about or less what I would spend for almost any other brand. Good luck to the rest of you. -- Original Message --- Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:50:53 -0400 From: Brangwyne Subject: Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) To: Historical Costume Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response I'm currently trying to figure out how to build my own...I have a full cup size difference--left is a dd and right is a d. And normal bands just roll up on me, straps are too short...*sigh* so my bras either ride up the back, fall off my shoulders or curl up in front and I fall out the bottom. And I started out a 36B -- until kids. Starr * --- End of Original Message --- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long)
A couple years ago, after losing a substantial amount of weight, I decided I really needed to find a different size bra. While waiting on line for a dressing room at one store (OK, it was Victoria's Secret), an energetic young store employee came up and said have you ever been professionally fitted. I said no, she whipped out a tape measure, did two measurements over my clothes, and told me what size to buy. I then proceeded to try on several bras they had in that size. None fit. So, I assume professionally fitted has several definitions! However, still carrying those body image issues from my younger days, or even more recent but heavier days, I never went anywhere else for a professional fitting that might get, shall we say, more personal. Maybe that's a mistake. But what I did do was read, read, read about how a good bra should fit. Then armed with that information I went to a store (L'Eggs, Bali, Hanes) and started experimenting with different sizes. Took over an hour but was well worth it, and the women in that store didn't mind me being there for that long. Oh, and I ended up with a bra size that was 2 sizes smaller in the band and one to two sizes larger in the cup. So, for those of you who would like to do the same, here are some resources: http://www.herroom.com/bra-fitting-checklist,907,30.html http://www.herroom.com/bra-bands-cups-underwires-panels-straps,902,30.html and links from that page http://www.ehow.com/how_167_find-fit-bra.html Oh, and when you want the ultimate fitting experience, head for Paris. That's what Daisy Garnett of the NYTimes did. Here's her article (may require freee subscription to read) http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D00E6DE1631F934A2575BC0A9659C8B63sec=spon=pagewanted=1 - Hope Susan Farmer wrote: It is *sooo* worth it to get professionally fitted. I had it done earlier this year and I can't recommend it enough. Not all bras are equal. I must have tried on 6 before finding one that fit and felt ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Penny's bra info
Changing the subject line since there is more info than modern fitting thank you for the interesting tid bits! My daughter hated training bras but loved sports bras. What exactly is a training bra ? I remember shopping for the first bra, back around 1975. A-cups all had padding. They would explain that the fiberfill was to help fill out the cup. Well, why not just make cups the right size? I was lucky to be in the post-bra era. I remember once shopping for something to go under a Quiana dress. (Quiana is a clingy shiny synthetic knit.) Everything created spectacular wrinkles, so I went without a bra and it looked fine. I still have the dress. It was still a few years before the stretchy knits were used in bras. Some girls in late elementary/junior high wore half-undershirts. They were not as structured as a sports bra. I suppose camisoles would do the same thing, but the maybe the half-shirt felt a bit more grown-up and bra-like. There are ways of hiding not wearing a bra (the nipple issue.) Interestingly enough, I find most bras these days do not hide erect nipples. The knits are supportive, but when it's cold they show. I figured it was more socially acceptable now, the same way bra straps are visible. Back in the 70s, it was embarrasing to have a bra strap show! So are the band-aids a requirement in certain dressing applications, or is it a preference being from an era when women were supposed to hide them? I did read the blog of a woman who has nipple piercings, she uses the stick-ons when she is wearing something clingy and does not want the whole world to see she is pierced. -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long)
I don't have that much trouble finding a fitting bra but Sometimes I just can't find anything that I like. Until I learned to make them myself. It is not that hard. It may take a few tries to get the perfect pattern or to take one apart that fits well to make a pattern... But I love making them! There is just one little problem... You can by packages that have everything you need in them. And in my case quite often even more. So than I think, if I buy some extra fabric I will have enough lace for two sets but than of course I will have some fabric left over... which means I need lace that will go with the fabric, and some strap material that I can buy in meters so I will have strap material for two. Ok you probably realize by know what a dangerous hobby this can be :) Deredere Hope Greenberg wrote: A couple years ago, after losing a substantial amount of weight, I decided I really needed to find a different size bra. While waiting on line for a dressing room at one store (OK, it was Victoria's Secret), an energetic young store employee came up and said have you ever been professionally fitted. I said no, she whipped out a tape measure, did two measurements over my clothes, and told me what size to buy. I then proceeded to try on several bras they had in that size. None fit. So, I assume professionally fitted has several definitions! However, still carrying those body image issues from my younger days, or even more recent but heavier days, I never went anywhere else for a professional fitting that might get, shall we say, more personal. Maybe that's a mistake. But what I did do was read, read, read about how a good bra should fit. Then armed with that information I went to a store (L'Eggs, Bali, Hanes) and started experimenting with different sizes. Took over an hour but was well worth it, and the women in that store didn't mind me being there for that long. Oh, and I ended up with a bra size that was 2 sizes smaller in the band and one to two sizes larger in the cup. So, for those of you who would like to do the same, here are some resources: http://www.herroom.com/bra-fitting-checklist,907,30.html http://www.herroom.com/bra-bands-cups-underwires-panels-straps,902,30.html and links from that page http://www.ehow.com/how_167_find-fit-bra.html Oh, and when you want the ultimate fitting experience, head for Paris. That's what Daisy Garnett of the NYTimes did. Here's her article (may require freee subscription to read) http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D00E6DE1631F934A2575BC0A9659C8B63sec=spon=pagewanted=1 - Hope Susan Farmer wrote: It is *sooo* worth it to get professionally fitted. I had it done earlier this year and I can't recommend it enough. Not all bras are equal. I must have tried on 6 before finding one that fit and felt ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long)
I'm 17, and wear a 32B. Gosh darn it, too, I'm still growing up in that quadrant, too. It was about impossible to find a normal, soft cup non underwire not pushup bra in a non psycodelic color at our JC Pennies - and I had even looked some styles up online at the website and they didn't carry it in the store. . Your daughter is definitely not alone - my sister is 12, thin as a beanstock and straight as a board, just like I was at that age. The other thing I have a problem with is being overly perky. I fit into the top of the cup just fine, but the bottom has way to much excess fabric that folds up into a crease because there is nothing there to fill it out. I'll be working on it On 10/1/07, Chiara Francesca [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WOOT!! Thanks everyone!! I found the perfect bra for my daughter. :) http://www3.jcpenney.com/jcp/Products.aspx?GrpTyp=PRDItemID=125cf98RefPage=ProductsStoreRegNo=catalog_base=firstpage=CmCatId=SearchResults|SearchDepartment|SearchProducts|42249cmOrigID=125CFA2cmPosID=2 I know, long link, but it is a maidenform sold at my local JCPenney. Going to run there today and get them for her. Front closure with no underwire! She will be happpy now to go to the showers with this pretty thing. :) She currently wears the cami's with the extra shelf in it but she wants to 'look like the other girls'. Sigh. Baby steps Chiara On 10/1/07, Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rickard, Patty wrote: WOW! - Check current catalogue - the one I looked at was $49 (I thought that was a lot!) I think that's about average for a higher quality bra these days. As we age our bodies change, for a variety of reasons. When you're 40, you don't wear a bra for the same reason you did when you were 15. A lot of us are probably still trying to buy the same size and style we wore in high school. I think a lot of people need to re-asses their bra. Every time I hear someone say the straps cut in or the wire hurts,or it shifts around, or some other uncomfortable thing, I know they're not wearing the right size and shape of bra. It is *sooo* worth it to get professionally fitted. I had it done earlier this year and I can't recommend it enough. Not all bras are equal. I must have tried on 6 before finding one that fit and felt right for my body. I used to go bra-less some days because of the comfort, now I forget I am wearing one because they are so comfortable. I no longer buy the flimsy twisty things from discount department stores. As historic costumers we make a big fuss about the comfort of corsets, making sure we get one properly fitted to us so it will be comfortable. We make sure we have the right shape for our figure and our clothing. We choose high quality materials and we carefully handwash the garment when it is soiled. But many of us do not take the same care with our modern underpinnings. And why not? It makes all the difference when it comes to our personal comfort. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Custom bras
Susan, I joined a yahoo group called Custom-Bras (for some reason I can't get the link to paste). It was an offshoot of a sewing group concerned with good fit and the owner of the new group, Don McGunn, always had really on target suggestions for fit, so... I haven't actually tried to make any yet, but from the postings I've read it doesn't take a lot of time and almost no yardage. He has an e-book on the subject, but the site is full of files and videos which I suspect anyone who has done costuming could derive the info they need just from those. HTH, Laurie Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 10:43:44 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) CC: Quoting Penny Ladnier [EMAIL PROTECTED]: When we recently purchased bras at Maidenform, the saleslady told us that if you can not find the exact bra size to go up to the next number and down a cup size. This worked for my daughter. We did this because the selection in styles were limited at her true size. Another test if a bra is fitting correctly is if the chest strap between the breast lays flat against the chest. If the strap is away from the center chest, the bra is not the correct size. If only! I have no back -- it's all boobage. I really want a band of 34 (or even 32) -- some 34s are too big, so I really *can't* go up to a 36. Trying to find a 32DD was hard, but this is ridiculous! Let me rephrase that, when I can find them, I can't afford them. *sigh* I do, however, have insurance now. susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-ussource=wlmailtagline___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long)
(I'm a quasi lurker) This is an interesting discussion because I was in a Target not long ago and overheard two young women -- early 20s -- having a conversation about a friend of theirs who wore, like, grandma underwear, and how the one friend had turned her on to the sexy and fluorescent push-upped and be-thonged. I thought, poor girl who can't just wear her plain old undies and went back to skulking in the grandma underwear. My complaint is molded cup bras -- I am a plus size personage (I daresay, probably the result of that high fat meat and refined foods...I cannot eat lard as my ancestors did) and I do not need said cups. I don't get it. Candace Perry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Elisabeth Doornink Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 1:13 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) I'm 17, and wear a 32B. Gosh darn it, too, I'm still growing up in that quadrant, too. It was about impossible to find a normal, soft cup non underwire not pushup bra in a non psycodelic color at our JC Pennies - and I had even looked some styles up online at the website and they didn't carry it in the store. . Your daughter is definitely not alone - my sister is 12, thin as a beanstock and straight as a board, just like I was at that age. The other thing I have a problem with is being overly perky. I fit into the top of the cup just fine, but the bottom has way to much excess fabric that folds up into a crease because there is nothing there to fill it out. I'll be working on it On 10/1/07, Chiara Francesca [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WOOT!! Thanks everyone!! I found the perfect bra for my daughter. :) http://www3.jcpenney.com/jcp/Products.aspx?GrpTyp=PRDItemID=125cf98RefPage =ProductsStoreRegNo=catalog_base=firstpage=CmCatId=SearchResults|SearchD epartment|SearchProducts|42249cmOrigID=125CFA2cmPosID=2 I know, long link, but it is a maidenform sold at my local JCPenney. Going to run there today and get them for her. Front closure with no underwire! She will be happpy now to go to the showers with this pretty thing. :) She currently wears the cami's with the extra shelf in it but she wants to 'look like the other girls'. Sigh. Baby steps Chiara On 10/1/07, Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rickard, Patty wrote: WOW! - Check current catalogue - the one I looked at was $49 (I thought that was a lot!) I think that's about average for a higher quality bra these days. As we age our bodies change, for a variety of reasons. When you're 40, you don't wear a bra for the same reason you did when you were 15. A lot of us are probably still trying to buy the same size and style we wore in high school. I think a lot of people need to re-asses their bra. Every time I hear someone say the straps cut in or the wire hurts,or it shifts around, or some other uncomfortable thing, I know they're not wearing the right size and shape of bra. It is *sooo* worth it to get professionally fitted. I had it done earlier this year and I can't recommend it enough. Not all bras are equal. I must have tried on 6 before finding one that fit and felt right for my body. I used to go bra-less some days because of the comfort, now I forget I am wearing one because they are so comfortable. I no longer buy the flimsy twisty things from discount department stores. As historic costumers we make a big fuss about the comfort of corsets, making sure we get one properly fitted to us so it will be comfortable. We make sure we have the right shape for our figure and our clothing. We choose high quality materials and we carefully handwash the garment when it is soiled. But many of us do not take the same care with our modern underpinnings. And why not? It makes all the difference when it comes to our personal comfort. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Bra fitting
Hope Greenberg wrote: A couple years ago, after losing a substantial amount of weight, I decided I really needed to find a different size bra. While waiting on line for a dressing room at one store (OK, it was Victoria's Secret), an energetic young store employee came up and said have you ever been professionally fitted. I said no, she whipped out a tape measure, did two measurements over my clothes, and told me what size to buy. I then proceeded to try on several bras they had in that size. None fit. So, I assume professionally fitted has several definitions! However, still carrying those body image issues from my younger days, or even more recent but heavier days, I never went anywhere else for a professional fitting that might get, shall we say, more personal. Maybe that's a mistake. But what I did do was read, read, read about how a good bra should fit. Then armed with that information I went to a store (L'Eggs, Bali, Hanes) and started experimenting with different sizes. Took over an hour but was well worth it, and the women in that store didn't mind me being there for that long. Oh, and I ended up with a bra size that was 2 sizes smaller in the band and one to two sizes larger in the cup. So, for those of you who would like to do the same, here are some resources: http://www.herroom.com/bra-fitting-checklist,907,30.html http://www.herroom.com/bra-bands-cups-underwires-panels-straps,902,30.html and links from that page http://www.ehow.com/how_167_find-fit-bra.html Oh, and when you want the ultimate fitting experience, head for Paris. That's what Daisy Garnett of the NYTimes did. Here's her article (may require freee subscription to read) http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D00E6DE1631F934A2575BC0A9659C8B63sec=spon=pagewanted=1 - Hope Susan Farmer wrote: It is *sooo* worth it to get professionally fitted. I had it done earlier this year and I can't recommend it enough. Not all bras are equal. I must have tried on 6 before finding one that fit and felt In the 70's I was a house model for Berlei foundation garments. They had a whole bunch of would-be fitters in a room with a few models, and were told to measure us and then to find suitable foundation garments from the range that Berlei did then. It was a fascinating experience - I was a 34 DD, with a fat waist, (29)and 36 inch hips. Only one person got me right first time, and some of them never found anything that was quite right. I was in underwires, one piece corset/pantie things - the name is no longer in my head, and girdles. Since then I have always fitted myself, and have a range of bras from different makers, none of which is the same as the others! (But all fit and are comfortable!) Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Custom bras
Quoting zelda crusher [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Susan, I joined a yahoo group called Custom-Bras (for some reason I can't get the link to paste). It was an offshoot of a sewing group concerned with good fit and the owner of the new group, Don McGunn, always had really on target suggestions for fit, so... I haven't actually tried to make any yet, but from the postings I've read it doesn't take a lot of time and almost no yardage. He has an e-book on the subject, but the site is full of files and videos which I suspect anyone who has done costuming could derive the info they need just from those. Oooh! Thanks. That sounds like it certainly has possibilities! susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Bra fitting
for anybody in the Uk, esp the north, Sadie the bra lady is fabulous (comes up if you google her). and if you're larger of cup size, so are bravissimo. I fit myself too (and in reality I'm different sizes in different makes and styles), but occasionally go to bravissimo in leeds cos it's just such a nice place to shop. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: Foxfire books
I have several of these! They are really interesting to read. Haven't had them out in awhile, guess I need to revisit them. I recently bought my mother, who was born Nov. 28, 1919, a December, 1919 copy of a women's magazine - American Woman. She has enjoyed reading it to see what was popular when she was born. Shirley test'; - Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] looking for a pirate coat
My husband is looking for a not very fancy great coat for pirate events. He wants to be more merchant than showy pirate. Who has a good pattern that's not going to require full on tailoring, padstitching, etc. Julie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] looking for a pirate coat
Julie wrote: My husband is looking for a not very fancy great coat for pirate events. He wants to be more merchant than showy pirate. Who has a good pattern that's not going to require full on tailoring, padstitching, etc. Simplicity 4923 is a decent, cheap pattern. It's not difficult to put together, though it could benefit from being lined. It runs a little bit large and loose, but can be modified easily if your guy is slender. You can trim it as fancy as you like, or make it in plain wool with self-fabric buttons. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] looking for a pirate coat
Believe it or not, I used this http://www.butterick.com/item/B6844.htm?tab=costumespage=10 for men's coats in a production of The Country Wife. With the addition of pockets, pocket flaps, and larger cuffs, and of course some shortening, it was gorgeous on a wide variety of physical types. The fit was wonderful, and the skirt really strutted. AND the construction was fairly simple. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer Julie wrote: My husband is looking for a not very fancy great coat for pirate events. He wants to be more merchant than showy pirate. Who has a good pattern that's not going to require full on tailoring, padstitching, etc. Simplicity 4923 is a decent, cheap pattern. It's not difficult to put together, though it could benefit from being lined. It runs a little bit large and loose, but can be modified easily if your guy is slender. You can trim it as fancy as you like, or make it in plain wool with self-fabric buttons. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] looking for a pirate coat
In a message dated 10/1/2007 4:20:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My husband is looking for a not very fancy great coat for pirate events. He wants to be more merchant than showy pirate. Who has a good pattern that's not going to require full on tailoring, padstitching, etc. Well, it depends on WHEN he wants to be a pirate. There isn't a pirate period, y'knowthough most famous ones tend to be the early 1700's or there abouts. The Capt. Hook look. So a pirate coat is just a coat anyone might wear in the period you choose. I've made 2 for different people who wanted a typical pirate. I used a pattern from The Cut of Men's Clothes by Norah Waugh diagram XVII, pages 62 and 63. I followed the pattern exactly for the 1st coat, but the back is a bit narrow across the shoulders for a comfy modern fit so the 2nd one got a wider back. I cut them with no padding or any inner structure like you might find in a modern coat. None of that kind of tailoring is required. They look like a piece of cloth...which is appropriate. I also distressed them with some dye and paint and bleach so they looked like they had spent a lot of time at sea. One I made in heavy linen, the other in burlap. Both were lined with cotton. The biggest expense were the many buttons. One used metal buttons [looks more military-like] The other bone. I also made non-matching breeches from the diagram in The Cut of Men's Clothes that comes before: Diagram XVI on page 61. You could also use the coat pattern from this diagram...but I think without the fancy pocket and cuff. These coats are not difficult to get together. And they look great! ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] OT: Standard American Diet
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... The dramtic rise in obestity, heart disease, cancer, autoimmune diseases like MS, type II diabeties, and the host of other western diseases aka the diseases of the kings are due to our SAD diet and lifestyle. You are what you eat and we currently eat a diet which has no history of safe consumption; a chemical hodgepodge of things which our body is not adapted to. The amazing thing is that most of those diseases can be reversed by a healthy diet. Decades of dammage can be undone; medications tossed aside. ... Just to be contrary, I have to contrast my personal experience to these findings. I was raised on a ridiculously healthy diet by a health-food obsessed mother, and all the up-to-date findings keep confirming the excellence of the diet I was on: lots of raw foods, everything made from scratch, no refined flour, honey rather than sugar used as sweetening, glorious home-made whole wheat bread, and a diet overall well-balanced between healthy low-fat protein and healthy non-processed carbs, etcetcetc. The only unhealthy factor was that, since I spent several years in the carribean, my diet during those years was saltier than it should have been (Colombians seem to think that all food should be dripping with salt). Well, that and the fact that I love citrusy, acidic foods, which had a poor effect on my teeth until I caught on to what was happening. TMI: I was a skinny child, but needed my first bra in 3rd grade. I began menstruating at 10, and have always had a very heavy period, lasting on average 8 days. Though I don't have PMS in the emotional sense, I have all sorts of very annoying physical reactions for a couple of weeks, especially hereditary IBS. Since I left home at 15 (early college) my typical diet has been a bit of protein such as deli meat cuts, roast skinless chicken, lean red meat, or cheese, paired with lots and lots of fruit. If you ever meet me in person, odds are that I'll be chomping on an apple. (In fact, now that I think about it, if I ever design my own heraldry, an apple should probably figure in it, as it is my most recognizeable symbol.) My low-fat diet as a child, and a natural dislike of fat (even as a tiny child I demanded that the teeniest bits of fat be cut off my meat) have made for a very low-fat diet my entire life. I occasionally indulge cravings for starch, and I love potatoes though I rarely eat them anymore, especially after calculating the calories in my favorite potato-cheese soup (about 1000 per bowl; I gained a good 40 lbs the year I ate it regularly). Not the absolute healthiest diet, but certainly a lot different from the SAD. I mess with my diet every so often in an attempt to make it even healthier and less calorific (I love rich, heavy sauces like alfredo), but I always seem to go back to easy protein plus lots of fruit, with the occasional side of rice, potatoes, or pasta. And, I have MS. There are several potential factors behind it, such as genetics (my mother has it, too) and geography as well as how I handle stress, and perhaps even exposure to radon, but a western diet surely ain't a factor for me. My diet and eating habits are more like a combination between primitive man's diet and the mediterranean diet. It's possible that my diet is the reason that I'm currently doing surprisingly well with the MS, but if diet is at fault, how did I get MS in the first place? Of course, my body may just be as contrary as my personality: I was born missing a carotid artery, and despite being completely unable to locate it, my doctors assure me that I must have a spleen in here somewhere, or I'd probably be dead. But still, I can't help but be leery when I see problems that I know in my case are unrelated to diet, being blamed on diet! -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long)
I called my 22 yr old daughter (32A) and she said she gets bras either at Victoria's Secret or The Gap (yes, they sell underwear). Hope this helps. Also, when in high school, I too, being a charter member of the Itty-Bitty-Titty Club, didn't wear bras. However, I noticed even I got some pain, kind of like muscle soreness, so started wearing a very little bit of a bra. It helped. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Penny Ladnier Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 12:13 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Increasing bra sizes (long) Franchesca, Give your daughter a hug from me. All my friends in 8th grade were wearing bras and I didn't have a thing to put in one until I was in 11th grade. I learned later in life that being small chested was a blessing. My DIL also feels the same way. My youngest sister was well developed before any of my other sisters. Baby Sis is six years younger than me. My mother used to say, Wait until you have a baby and they will come. When that did work after my first child, she said, Wait until you are middle-aged, and they will come. After son #2 was born, I refused to breast fed, then they came in engorged. The pain was unbelievable! I decided that I would be happy with what I have. MY DIL used to wear a size 0 dress, and after her second child, she became engorged. She said that she never wanted bigger breast again. When I was pregnant with son #4, I was living with my MIL. He was an active child and loved to run his feet into my ribs. This caused my bra to move upward and I complained to my MIL. She was WELL-endowed and said, Honey, if I had as little as you, I would NEVER wear a bra. I got it! Official permission from my MIL to not wear a bra!!! This was 1985 so the no bra fashion of the 1970s made it acceptable. I have probably worn a bra 50 times, at most, since then. My breast have not sagged and are still like they were in my 20s. I gave my MIL official permission to my DIL to not wear a bra and she doesn't wear one now. What my MIL said not upset me. She immediately showed me the reason. She pulled up her blouse and showed me the heat rash under her breast, and the deep cut sores on her shoulders from her bra straps. She said that she has had them for years and they were very painful. My mother is large chested and showed me the same problems that bras have done to her. Last year, my mother told me that her petite chested mother never wore a bra and looked great her whole life. This was the greatest gift my MIL ever gave me. I have never found a bra that fits me correctly. If you are an A cup, you really do not need to wear a bra. But I understand the teenagers wanting to be in bras when everyone else is wearing them. If you really want to put your daughter in something, try a sports bra. My daughter hated training bras but loved sports bras. Today a lot of the teenagers to young adults are not real! They are enhanced and this is socially acceptable. We live in the fake generation. Fake hair, tans, boobs, hair-color, bleached teeth, etc. There are ways of hiding not wearing a bra (the nipple issue.) ***I started growing my hair long after son #4 was born. My hair has been below breast length since 1986. I never had it trimmed shorter since. Also son #4 when a baby would go to sleep holding my braid. Until he was five years old and he was upset he would sit in my lap and pet my long braid. ***I wear t-shirts around the house. When I first started not wearing a bra, I made sure the t-shirt had a pocket or printed logo on the front. The opposing side of the pocket, is where my braid or ponytail resides. If my shirt/blouse does not have a pocket or logo, I let my hair down. ***A Maidenform saleslady taught me this one. Don't purchase those fancy flesh colored stickers to go over the nipples. Only purchase the fancy ones for hot dates! Go to the drug store or supermarket and purchase large Band-Aids. They generally come 10 to a box for a dollar or two. I use the store brands made of plastic. The cloth ones have too much adhesive and can cause bruising or irritation when removing. Also remove the Band-Aids while taking a bath. Put a little baby oil on the breast after removal. The removes all the band glue and moisturizes the skin. For a person with small nipples, you can cut the Band-Aids in half lengthwise and use the remainder on the other breast. Someone with larger nipples, use the entire band on each breast. I have professionally dressed many of ladies and teenagers over the years. Here are some of the tricks of the trade for enlargement: ***I once had a student crying in the bathroom because her chest did not fill out a dress that she had to wear immediately. I am a pro at making boobs. I pulled some tissue paper and increased boob size the old-fashioned way. Needless to say, she stopped crying. ***This is my newest solution! Most of the cammies
RE: [h-cost] OT: Standard American Diet
Really? I weigh 260 lbs. and I am 5' 7 almost 8. My problem is that I don't remember to eat or I put off eating. I slowed my metabolism down. I have been told by my doctor that they are finding out that people whose eating patterns like mine have a greater chance of diabeties. My meals when I have them are in proportion to a medium size bowl of soup and half a sandwich. I have been told by people who see me sitting down to my first meal of the day (which I usually get around to it at dinnertime) and start telling me that I need to eat less if I want to loose weight. So I need to eat to get my metabolism up to speed. I have found that nibbling on raw coconut has helped some. Hypothyroid is on the rise and one of the side effects is weight gain. I was tested for hypothyroid and was borderline. Instead of Amour (sp?) I was told to avoid soy products if at all possible. Try to lessen intake of cabbage (love French style cornbeef and cabbage), broccoli (really love, steamed, raw, w/cheese...), peanuts, etc.. and add things like apricots, kelp...etc. The last test showed me clear of the border but now I need to be consistant with eating through the day. Though small victory I lost 1 1/2 which I have been told size is more important then the weight (okay, you guys in the corner get your mind out of the gutter :) ) because muscle weighs more but is compact. I know this may sound weird but I knew someone who couldn't eat whole wheat but could eat white flour without a problem. He is thin as a rail. De - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... The dramtic rise in obestity, heart disease, cancer, autoimmune diseases like MS, type II diabeties, and the host of other western diseases aka the diseases of the kings are due to our SAD diet and lifestyle. You are what you eat and we currently eat a diet which has no history of safe consumption; a chemical hodgepodge of things which our body is not adapted to. The amazing thing is that most of those diseases can be reversed by a healthy diet. Decades of dammage can be undone; medications tossed aside. ... ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Book Order
I just got my third order delay message from Barnes and Noble regarding my order for The Tudor Tailor. Has anybody else had trouble receiving this book? Should I just try a different vendor? Thanks for any input. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT: Standard American Diet
Greetings De. I'm a few inches taller than you and weigh about the same. I have an autoimmune disorder and have to be on thyroid replacement meds (mine basically died) and some other pretty heavy duty drugs (all works, I'm fine), but my drs have all said that it is going to be very difficult for me to lose weight; that the best thing I can do for myself is to be fit, strong, and healthy, and not to sweat the weight issue. Eating healthy is always excellent, but it won't always fix the problems. Arlys ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
