Wow, if you go to page 4, in the top right corner is a man wearing a hat
that is almost exactly what everyone has been discussing. (hat/caul with
rolled/padded brim, even with a slight point in front)Could women have
adopted a man's style?
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Those heavy polyester double-knits! Blecchh!
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Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 12:14 PM
To: h-cost...@indra.com
Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions
I lived in Ann Arbor,
I remember my older brother's Cool Girlfriend wearing long dresses when I
was in 8th grade, in 1971. By the time I was in high school, a year later,
the pattern companies were showing most of their teen oriented dresses in
both mini and long lengths.
I wore a granny dress to school in about
When my 25-year-old was still a junior in high school she came home from a
thrift store with a pair of poly double-knit trousers, in the mandatory
plaid, and tried to convince me they were cool. I offered to tell her what
we thought of those when they were new, which ended the conversation. I
My mother was ADDICTED to that stuff. In the most horrible pallid
colors...
And of course it had to be TEXTURED as well. I can still remember some of
those dresses- was like wearing a plastic bag lined with sandpaper.
Shudder.
Liadain
A happy natural fiber junkie now
THL Liadain ni Mhordha
In a message dated 7/4/2009 8:59:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
annbw...@aol.com writes:
Right off the top of my
head, clothing-wise, I'm thinking of polyester double knits, and men's
super wide ties and wild plaid jackets with patch pockets, and leisure
suits.
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Ah, but the phrase that I was responding to was that much of what we think
of as the 1960s really happened in the 1970s, not necessarily just the
hippies of the 1960s.
And certainly things happened in different places at different times. For
instance, no one wore a grannie dress at my
Everything old is new again. But nothing ever happens exactly the same way
twice!.
MaggiRos
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On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Penny
I remember those Villlager shirtwaists. No one was wearing them in
CA where I went to high school but I recall that when I went on to
college there were girls in my rooming house from the east coast who
were all wearing Villager style clothes, along with penny loafers,
which no one in CA
Page 9 shows something the author actually calls a pill box, and gives it as
Venetian about 1500. We are all aware, right, that this book is not proper
documentation, being nothing but re-drawings from unidentified sources?
Maggie Secara
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I think we wore penny loafers to school in the late 50s, in So Cal. For me,
that was elementary school.
MaggiRos
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On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at
On Jul 5, 2009, at 12:48 PM, Maggie wrote:
Page 9 shows something the author actually calls a pill box,
Perhaps Wilcox is the source of that misnomer.
and gives it as
Venetian about 1500. We are all aware, right, that this book is not
proper
documentation, being nothing but re-drawings
I remember those Villlager shirtwaists. No one was wearing them in CA
where I went to high school but I recall that when I went on to college
there were girls in my rooming house from the east coast who were all
wearing Villager style clothes, along with penny loafers, which no one in
A Villager shirtwaist was a dress, usually cotton, with a full skirt.
Villager was the brand - they had a whole line of rather preppy style clothes
that were more expensive than other clothes and only were made up to a size 11.
Janet
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bear_ja...@msn.com writes:
A Villager shirtwaist was a dress, usually cotton, with a full skirt.
Villager was the brand - they had a whole line of rather preppy style clothes
that were more expensive than other clothes and
In a message dated 7/5/2009 5:30:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bear_ja...@msn.com writes:
A Villager shirtwaist was a dress, usually cotton, with a full skirt.
Villager was the brand - they had a whole line of rather preppy style clothes
that were more expensive than other clothes and
I know that image... it is Henri III in a color cartoon of a tapestry by
Antoine Caron, c.1580. The roll shown in the drawing is actually Henri's hair,
from what I can tell. It is a black hat matched with his black hair, so maybe
that's where the confusion comes in. And he is wearing a ruff,
Thank you for the apology Chimene.
Kimiko
--- On Sat, 7/4/09, Patricia Dunham chim...@ravensgard.org wrote:
From: Patricia Dunham chim...@ravensgard.org
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Primary source for Elizabethan pillbox hats sought
To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com
Date: Saturday, July
The other thing that was big in my high school in the late 1960s was the
London Fog yellow poplin zip-front jacket. They were really
ubiquitous--looking out at a school assembly,. one saw a sea of light yellow.
And, rumor
had it that they were stolen from our gym locker room. (I never
Were you in the Midwest?
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of
Sylvia Rognstad [syl...@ntw.net]
Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 8:29 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s hippie fashions
What do you
In a message dated 7/5/2009 6:41:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ricka...@muc.edu writes:
Were you in the Midwest?
Don't know if this was aimed at me, but yes, I was--lived in the close-in
suburbs of St. Louis, Missouri.
Ann wass
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On Jul 5, 2009, at 6:14 PM, Kimiko Small wrote:
I know that image... it is Henri III in a color cartoon of a
tapestry by Antoine Caron, c.1580. The roll shown in the drawing is
actually Henri's hair, from what I can tell. It is a black hat
matched with his black hair, so maybe that's
Do you mean resources for research? Resources for finding
materials? Resources for purchasing finished headwear?
Melanie Schuessler
On Jul 5, 2009, at 7:14 PM, Susan Farmer wrote:
while we're talking about hats
I am decidedly milinnarily challenged. What are your favorite
But
I'm curious if this fad was wide-spread during the late '60s at high
schools
in other parts of the country.
San Diego,where I spent the 60s, gets12 inches of rain per year, on
average. So no, we didn'tgetthatfad. I only just got a raincoat a couple
of years ago, surplussed out from
while we're talking about hats
I am decidedly milinnarily challenged. What are your favorite
resources (particularly for pre-1650-ish) headwear? (Some of you may
have addressed that issue on my LiveJournal, but feel free to weigh in
again)
Susan/ jerusha/ FlorentineScot
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Quoting Melanie Schuessler mela...@faucet.net:
Do you mean resources for research? Resources for finding materials?
Resources for purchasing finished headwear?
Sorry, that was pretty vague, wasn't it. I blame teaching an entire
semester in 4 weeks.
Resources for research. I don't have
Great call for knowing which Henri image it really was based on.
Kimiko
Good call on recognizing Henri III, but I wonder whether
Wilcox wasn't working from this
http://www.culture.gouv.fr/Wave/image/joconde/0002/m503604_87ee1701_p.jpg
which the Louvre attributes to Francois Quesnel,
No. I was in CA, so I understand that the 60s probably hit the
midwest later. Funny, though, that that was something that never
occurred to me for a long time. I just assumed everyone everywhere
was dressing ( and behaving) as we did in CA.
On Jul 5, 2009, at 4:40 PM, Rickard, Patty
Just meant that in the midwest (where I was) the 60's probably started and
ended later than on the coasts.
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annbw...@aol.com [annbw...@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 6:44
This is why I like redrawing books like Wilcox, to help get an idea of what was
available during any given time period as an overview. From there, I can then
dig into the images of the time period in question, hunting for whatever
specific style I want, as many images as I can find, to better
We are all aware, right, that this book is not proper
documentation, being nothing but re-drawings from unidentified sources?
Maggie Secara
~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603
Available at your favorite online bookseller
See our gallery at http://www.zazzle.com/popinjaypress
I had asked Lynn McMasters and she says that it is based off an Italian
portrait.
http://lynnmcmasters.com/LadyM.html
in color and a wee bit larger.
http://tinyurl.com/yt6hg9
Some lurking! Thanks to those folks who tried to make me feel better
about clunky, non-visual writing problems --
Quoting Kimiko Small sstormwa...@yahoo.com:
This is why I like redrawing books like Wilcox, to help get an idea
of what was available during any given time period as an overview.
From there, I can then dig into the images of the time period in
question, hunting for whatever specific
The other thing that was big in my high school in the late 1960s was the
London Fog yellow poplin zip-front jacket. They were really
ubiquitous--looking out at a school assembly,. one saw a sea of light
yellow. And, rumor
had it that they were stolen from our gym locker room. (I never had
Whoops--sorry for the blank post. Yes, Villager was a brand. A
shirtwaist, at least in 1960s terminology, is a dress with a fitted
bodice--bust and
waist darts--and buttons down the center front--attached to a skirt. It
could be full in the 1950s or early 1960s, but by the late '60s was
Yes, except those were the earlier 50s version with the full skirts.
I wore those in junior high but the Villager shirtwaist never came in
style where I was in southern CA. What was really in style, for the
guys, in the early to mid 60s, in So. Cal was the surfer look. Did
that make it
http://another-time.com/vintageclothing/LadyBugVillagerSm.jpg
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Quoting Patricia Dunham chim...@ravensgard.org:
I had asked Lynn McMasters and she says that it is based off an Italian
portrait.
http://lynnmcmasters.com/LadyM.html
in color and a wee bit larger.
http://tinyurl.com/yt6hg9
Some lurking! Thanks to those folks who tried to make me feel better
On Jul 5, 2009, at 7:25 PM, Susan Farmer wrote:
Sorry, that was pretty vague, wasn't it. I blame teaching an
entire semester in 4 weeks.
Resources for research. I don't have a very good clue as to what
was appropriate when. (if that makes any sense!)
It depends on your ultimate
Quoting Melanie Schuessler mela...@faucet.net:
On Jul 5, 2009, at 7:25 PM, Susan Farmer wrote:
Sorry, that was pretty vague, wasn't it. I blame teaching an
entire semester in 4 weeks.
Resources for research. I don't have a very good clue as to what
was appropriate when. (if that
the Mode-in books were considered very doubtful sources. All of them.
That's Ruth Turner Wilcox, and The Mode In Costume was originally published
in 1948.
Interesting also, speaking of re-drawings, to compare any garment which
appears both in Janet Arnold and Nancy Bradfield, and there are
On Jul 5, 2009, at 10:14 PM, Käthe Barrows wrote:
We need to remember that any redrawing is a secondary source at best.
Sometimes Wilcox is not even a secondary source. My favorite
example she
got from Vecellio, who wasn't a primary source either. (Wilcox
substituted
heeled shoes and
She did violence to a number of Vecellio's images--I actually used Wilcox
to make my very first Renaissance costume in high school and years later
found out that the image I used was Vecellio's imperfect interpretation of
the previous century re-drawn with improvements by Wilcox. Needless to
It was the preppy look which, I don't think, ever made its way to the west
coast.
It made it to San Diego, or at least a madras plaid version did.
--
Carolyn Kayta Barrows
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No. I was in CA, so I understand that the 60s probably hit the midwest
later. Funny, though, that that was something that never occurred to me for
a long time. I just assumed everyone everywhere was dressing ( and
behaving) as we did in CA.
The 60s hit San Diego a couple of years after
A good simple dress would be a gathered bodice with coat or bishop sleeves and
a cartridge pleated skirt. Simplicity had a very good pattern by Martha McCain
that was an easy way to get started if you can find it. I don't remember the #
but the main dress on the front is a yellow dress and the
If you would like to see an original Civil War era homespun dress, please
see:
http://www.uttyler.edu/vbetts/furr_homespun_dress.htm
Vicki Betts
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Garibaldi Shirt WAS: Primary source for Elizabethan
pillbox hats sought
As I am brand new to this time period, do I just
Good grief, those godawful horizontally-striped pants!
Please, tell me people didn't actually wear them!
Michelle in SE Michigan, who after seeing those pants is glad she missed
the 60s.
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So, maybe this was a hairstyle, as shown in another picture in an earlier
post today, with the roll actually made of hair and wrapped with pearls and
jeweled hairpins stuck in along the roll.
Dang, I don't have that much hair!
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Supersizing the image shows great detail, like the edges of the sleeve
slits. Wonderful!
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From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of Susan Farmer
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 6:33 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost]
In a message dated 7/5/2009 10:43:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kay...@gmail.com writes:
Nowadays I don't
even recommend Wilcox as an overview, tho I do still have a copy of it.
We have had this discussion before, but I'll weigh in again. Wilcox was
one of the books that got me started
In a message dated 7/5/2009 11:03:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
cha...@hotmail.com writes:
Assuming this is going to be made out of cotton you should look for a
print were the pattern is somewhat uniform. They had a lot of rollerprinted
patterns so if you can see the pattern repeating
In a message dated 7/5/2009 9:12:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
lando...@netins.net writes:
Would this be similar to the day dresses worn on shows like Leave it to
Beaver and I Love Lucy?
Oh, yes, the shirtwaist started life at least in the 1950s, and maybe
before (I'm ashamed that, as
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