Re: [h-cost] Period Hair, and Accessories
Me too - I often feel you can get away with a fairly generic dress, especially for my period of early medieval, but if you get the headdress right it really pins it to a particular date. Jean On 31/07/2013 19:34, Simone Bryan wrote: Yes one of my pet peeves is hair coverings, it is like a last thought but it really is essential to get the proper look. Then there are the correct or as close as you can get accessories that gives another note to the whole. I cosider an outfit like a good perfume, it has lots of notes as to bring forth a worthy scent. So the entire look does not stop at the gown and underpinnings, although they are a good or great base. Cilean ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Polyester is the great new fiber
But it's still ultimately made from hydrocarbons - as are most synthetic fabrics. Polyester may have gone away for a while, but viscose, lycra, polyamide, microfibre haven't. As for things derived from petroleum not belonging on your skin - Vaseline? Everything is either animal, vegetable or mineral, and if it's mineral, it's probably derived from oil. It's just a source of big molecules, once they're chopped up and recombined they don't necessarily have any properties in common with petrol. Jean On 02/04/2013 03:29, Monica Spence wrote: FWIW--Polyester now is an ecofriendly fabric. It is made of recycled soda and water bottles. Monica E. Spence, MA, MA, BA, PhD/ in progress Senior Lead Instructor Fashion Studies Department Liberal Arts and Sciences Department The Art Institute of New York City 11-17 Beach Street New York, NY 10013 -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sybella Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 10:16 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Polyester is the great new fiber Ahh, darn it!! Polyester?? No When I'm shopping for clothing, I look long and hard for natural fibers. Synthetics make my hair stand on end, and as a wavy, I battle unruly curls all the time. I really do not need static making it more difficult for me. Plus, I find it quite bothersome that, according to that article, polyester is a petroleum by-product. I haven't done my research (I avoid polyester anyway) but if it is fossil derived, it is not a renewable resource. Hasn't there been complaints since the 1980s that fossil sources are nearly depleted?? In my opinion, anything that comes from the same source as gasoline doesn't belong on our skin. (Does anyone really like polyester?? LOL!) That said, I'm incredibly disappointed and grossed out that polyester has made a come back. :( 'Bella On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Marjorie Wilser the3t...@gmail.com wrote: Polyester. Ick. But it's grown up in the world since the bulletproof variety, and SOME things in poly are actually decent feeling. == Marjorie Wilser =:=:=:Three Toad Press:=:=:= http://3toad.blogspot.com/ Learn to laugh at yourself and you will never lack for amusement. --MW On Mar 31, 2013, at 2:29 PM, annbw...@aol.com wrote: My new-old Easter dress is polyester (a thrift store purchase), and I have to say, I'm glad the pleats in the skirt could be permanently set. Ann Wass __**_ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/**listinfo/h-costumehttp://mail.indra.c om/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Terms for pants
Ah, I remember my New Romantic days, those wonderful black velvet knickerbockers and frilly white blouse! But in the UK, certainly modernly, it's always knickerbockers. Knickers are female underwear, only. The idea of (male) baseball players routinely wearing knickers is hilarious! Jean On 20/03/2013 21:11, Sybella wrote: Yes, I did mean the 1980s and capri is another one, Cynthia! And Carol may be right, where my memories blended '70s with the '80s...but I do distinctly remember asking Mom to take me shopping for a pair of knickers, pants that came to a gather just below the knee, during my childhood. Honestly, it's something I'd rather not admit to so I'll trust you all to keep it a secret! ;) Like I said, every time they come back into fashion, there's a new name for the same recycled style! LOL! 'Bella On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 1:06 PM, aqua...@patriot.net wrote: There was a short fad for knickers in the mid to late 1970s for women. Gauchos were another one, loose pants that ended below the knee - sort of like a split skirt. For both, you might wear them with a blouse and matching vest. Culottes were a skirt/shorts combo, just above the knee. They might have a wide leg or a separate panel for the skirt effect. Sporty, I remember my mom wearing them for golfing. Capri pants are high ankle or low calf length, and are currently fashionable, and were various times back as far as the 1950s. I think of Audrey Hepburn in them. Pedal pushers were long-ish shorts, I think just below the knee? But a regular pants width, not flared and not gathered. I remember them from the 1960s, but could be earlier. -Carol On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Sybella mae...@gmail.com wrote: In the '80s people called pants that ended just below the knee knickers. Assuming you mean 1980s: I recall Capri pants for women,not knickers. Before that, they were peddle pushers. And I think there's at least one other name for them. Knee highs, maybe? It seems every time they come back into fashion, they are called something else. Probably, pedal-pushers as that what my mom called the things they went bicycling in in the 1950s. Also, Knickers strikes me as something an early 20th c golfer or upperclass sport hunter (male) might wear. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Meaning of breeches in late 16th to mid-17th c. English
Also (sorry, I don't know where you are from, mundanely) don't be confused by the modern terms - pants are an outer garment in US English, but underwear only in UK English. Jean On 21/07/2012 03:20, albert...@aol.com wrote: Breeches is an English term. Like culotte is the French term (sans culottes were French revolutionaries who wore pantalon). And even Jodhpurs were those riding pants with wide hips (now, just riding pants) worn traditionally in duh Jodhpur, India. for riding. So I'd say when a 16th century English writer talks about breeches... he really just means whatever pants local people wear. But saying men in Persia wear no breeches implies they don't wear tight, knee-length pants. I don't think he would consider full persian pants to be breeches. -Original Message- From: Data-Samtak Susan pasov...@aol.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Fri, Jul 20, 2012 3:39 pm Subject: Re: [h-cost] Meaning of breeches in late 16th to mid-17th c. English In the 21st Century, horseback riding pants are still called breeches, especially the ones that are a few inches shorter and end above the ankle to be worn inside tall slim boots aka riding boots. The longer version that cover the ankle , usually with a cuff, (so not suited for tucking into tall slim boots comfortably) are sometimes still referred to as jodphurs. Of curse the Western Wear pants are called Jeans, usually made of denim, but not exclusively, which can be tucked into the shorter height Western Boot, or left covering the boot tops. Susan On Jul 20, 12, at 2:41 PM, Jill wrote: Breeches were and still are outer wear. In Persia the men would have, as some still do today, wear long robes and any trousers (of any desciption) worn would not be immediately apparent. Don't take the description written in 16th and 17th centuries to be valid in modern language. For example - for someone to be seen naked in the 17th century didn't mean to be bare and without clothing, it meant to be seen in your underwear (which was a big no no). Jill At 19:27 20/07/2012, you wrote: I'm trying to determine what the word breeches meant - did it mean underpants only, or did it have other meanings, for example, knee-length or shorter trousers - from the late 16th through mid-17th centuries. I ask because visitors to Persia commented that the men wore no breeches and i'm trying to determine the implications. I have seen knee-length trousers called breeches in parts of 16th c. Europe - garments that could be outer wear. As certain details of European clothing are outside my expertise, i am asking the collective wisdom here. Thank you. Urtatim al-Qurtubiyya SCA ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume www.gjh.me.uk Growing old is inevitable but growing up is optional ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Liberty of London lawn
My mother has summer blouses made of Liberty's lawn, whenever she can get it. They get bundled in the washing machine along with everything else and are absolutely fine. Jean On 16/02/2012 13:37, Lauren Walker wrote: Hi, all, Has anyone machine washed and/or dried Liberty of London cotton lawn? What was your result? Unnecessary explanation: I have some Liberty of London cotton lawn that I want to use for historical costume on 1:12 (dollhouse) scale dolls. When I buy fabric to costume humans and other mammals I *always* wash it first, because mammalian activity is such that inevitably one will wish to wash the costume someday. I am overjoyed that my 18th-century-style worsted gown was washable after I spilled a kettle of fish chowder on it. But dolls? Dolls mainly just get dusty. The LoL lawn is labeled hand wash or dry clean. So, yes, that is what I *should* do. But I really want to throw it in the machine once before I commit to cutting it out, so that, should the dolls later wander into some fish chowder, the disaster could be mitigated. I also hate what dry cleaning does to fabric anyway. So I'm having trouble talking myself out of a preliminary machine wash. I'm okay with line drying. Thoughts? Thank you, Lauren Lauren M. Walker lauren.wal...@comcast.net ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Not tying your bonnet strings?
On 21/11/2011 10:08, Kate Bunting wrote: Linda wrote: Thank you, Elizabeth W. and Sharon C. - I never realised that wearing a hat could have so many implications! I wonder if the idea is modern of doing honour to the occasion by wearing a hat, which seems to be coming back into custom and not just fashion. When I wore a hat as part of my school uniform, ( yes, a very long time ago), I would have been grateful for ribbons. In Summer terms, I must have covered many miles with one hand holding it on my head; Autumn and Spring terms were not so bad, since our school Winter coats had an especially wide hood to cover the hat, and that tied with a gathering string. Thinking back, we must have looked very sweet . . . There were certainly rules about never being seen out of doors without your hat - nor your gloves, (brown leather for Winter, white cotton for Summer). Was there some ettiquette behind glove-wearing too? As you say in your 3rd paragraph, I think before the mid-20th century everyone routinely wore a hat out of doors, even if they only had a very shabby one. We used to sew elastic to our school panama hats. Our winter hats were knitted caps, so keeping them on wasn't a problem. Kate Bunting Librarian 17th century reenactor Have you seen the old film of girls coming out of a mill, with shawls over their heads - it was ages before I realised that they were the ones who couldn't afford hats - everyone had either a shawl or a hat to cover their heads. Jean ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1880s hairstyles
I do something very similar to this, but I start by clipping the top section back, quite high, with a big decorative slide or barrette. Then I plait the three sections, and wind them round the round the slide in the same way, but more on the back than the top of my head. It looks like you've got an immensely long plait just held up by the slide! Jean On 20/10/2011 17:41, Natalie wrote: Something I do from time to time, inspired by the Rapunzel site: Take the top half of my hair and twist it into a rope as if I were going to do a bun. But instead of putting all the hair in one tight knot, I wrap it around in a gradually bigger spiral on top of my head. Pin like crazy with all the pins pointing toward the center and tuck the end under. Take the bottom half and split it into half vertically. Twist and wrap it up and around the spiral, increasing the size of the original. Keep pinning like mad. Finally, take the last section, twist, and wrap in the same direction as the second hank of hair. Keep pinning and tucking under the end. I use about 25-30 pins for this. Mine is mid-back length, coarse and curly. You may need more or less depending on your hair type and length. I get compliments on this about how amazing, pretty, complicated, and old-fashioned it looks every time I do it. Natalie On 10/20/2011 10:59 AM, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: Wow, that's an amazing site! Too bad most of them are really too complicated to do in the morning... I'll really have to get dressed quickly... I'll be sure to steal some of her tricks though :-) Thank you! On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Sharon Colliersha...@collierfam.comwrote: Try here: http://rapunzelsresource.wordpress.com/style-index/ -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Audrey Bergeron-Morin Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 12:54 PM To: Liste Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] 1880s hairstyles Good afternoon, I'm putting the finishing touches on my Halloween costume - actually, a dress from various Truly Victorian patterns. I need ideas about what to do with my hair. It's long and very straight. I need something easy that I can do relatively quickly in the morning. It doesn't need to be historical, I'm already planning on makeup that won't be historical, but I'd still like something that keeps in with the style of the period. Any ideas? References? Pictures? Techniques? I'm all ears... Thank you! Audrey ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Miss Universe 2011 national costumes
These are brilliant! Miss Belgium looks very... Belgian. A bit dull. Miss GB - no idea! JEan On 12/09/2011 20:54, Cin wrote: Check out the ridiculous national costumes from this year's Miss Universe pagent: http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/62603630.html There are other websites with a small selection of pics, but this LJ entry has lots lots. Its possible that you'll need an LJ handle to see them all. If you'd rather had just a small set that's not on LJ, here's the Telegraph's gallery. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/8749932/Miss-Universe-2011-national-costumes.html --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Monster pannier.
I always love these huge panniers. I think they look like sofas - space for a chap to perch on either side! Jean On 26/07/2011 14:02, Leif og Bjarne Drews wrote: I dont remember before i left h-costume last, if i told you my plans for making a court dress from 1750ies? I have baught 20 yards of a wonderfull BrunswickFils floral silk brokade i want to use for this projekt. Today while i was sitting and sewing on a pannier for a karnival dress, i desided to go to a copy shop here in Copenhagen who has large machines that can blow up patterns. I want to make the pannier worn with Louise Ulrika of Swedens coronation dress. Her pannier is 2 meters wide, but she was a small lady we must remember. I used the center front from waist to ground to calculate the new size its a lady who is 1 m. 20 cm. from waist to ground. I showed the man in the shop the point i wanted to use as blowup, told him i wanted the center front foldline to be 1m. 10 cm. Now i am home and i have off cause tryed to meassure and its going to be about 2 meters wide at waist level, and (my god) 6 m. 80 cm. in cirkumference at the foot bone. I have ben curious about the size for a long time, but i had not dreamed it would be that monster big. I have fabric for it, and its going to be a future projekt, i hope perhaps next year. Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Domestic Sewing Machine Disaster Ads
Interesting because I believe a sewing machine was considered a key item with which to start from scratch and be able to support yourself. There is a tale in my family that one of my mother's great-aunts went from Scotland to Chicago in the late 20's, just in time for the Depression, came back with nothing and the family clubbed together to buy her a sewing machine so she could earn some money to keep herself. Jean On 25/06/2011 00:33, Lynn Downward wrote: Yes. It says so on the third link where you see both sides of the postcard that the machine is insured against all these events. On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Lavolta Pressf...@lavoltapress.comwrote: Can anyone tell me why the Domestic Sewing Machine Company postcardss featuring pictures of major natural disasters? Was the idea that in the event of floods, cyclones, etc., your sewing machine would still be present and intact? See: http://cgi.ebay.com/FREE-**SEWING-MACHINE-TORNADO-** CYCLONE-OMAHA-NEBR-POSTCARD-/**160539991871?pt=LH_**DefaultDomain_0hash=* *item2560eddf3fhttp://cgi.ebay.com/FREE-SEWING-MACHINE-TORNADO-CYCLONE-OMAHA-NEBR-POSTCARD-/160539991871?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2560eddf3f http://cgi.ebay.com/Free-**Sewing-machine-insured-** Memphis-Flood-Trade-Card-/**160607705199?pt=UK_** Collectables_Postcards_MJ**hash=item2564f7186fhttp://cgi.ebay.com/Free-Sewing-machine-insured-Memphis-Flood-Trade-Card-/160607705199?pt=UK_Collectables_Postcards_MJhash=item2564f7186f http://cgi.ebay.com/OH-DAYTON-**Flood-Fire-Free-Sewing-** Machine-AD-UN-R805-/**110694324371?pt=LH_**DefaultDomain_0hash=** item19c5e55893http://cgi.ebay.com/OH-DAYTON-Flood-Fire-Free-Sewing-Machine-AD-UN-R805-/110694324371?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item19c5e55893 Fran Lavolta Press Two new books of 1880s patterns! www.lavoltapress.com www.facebook.com/LavoltaPress __**_ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/**listinfo/h-costumehttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] one of a kind wedding dress
Haven't heard of that one specifically, but dresses made from parachute silk generally, certainly, in Britain. Fabric was rationed, so there were all sorts of ways of getting enough for a wedding dress, if you had time to prepare (many weddings were on-the-spot when the groom managed to get a day's leave). I have a feeling many of the British ones were made from German parachutes though, when enemy planes were shot down. Jean On 17/06/2011 18:25, m...@aol.com wrote: Has anyone heard of this wedding dress? _http://historyisclassic.blogspot.com/2011/06/one-of-kind-wedding.html?spref =fb_ (http://historyisclassic.blogspot.com/2011/06/one-of-kind-wedding.html?spref=fb) Kelly Albrecht, ncc, amft m...@aol.com www.mysensaria.com/time2spa ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] The Many Hats of HRH Princess Beatrice
I quite like the one from Trooping the Colour. I'm not sure that BE will be invited to Zara's wedding in the summer, but if they were I can imagine her insisting on vetting the hats beforehand! Jean On 04/05/2011 09:45, Sharon Collier wrote: She might if she actually wore them on her head instead of her forehead. How do they stay on, anyway? Double stick tape? Velcro? Sub-cutaneous magnets? Glue? -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of penn...@costumegallery.com Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 1:00 AM To: h-costume Subject: [h-cost] The Many Hats of HRH Princess Beatrice I think she doesn't have the style for hats at all.I only saw two hats here that were becoming to her: http://tinyurl.com/3l4crbc Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites http://www.costumegallery.com/ www.costumegallery.com 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] least favorite hat
Where did the last 40 minutes go? Oops! That's going to join my favourites :-) On 03/05/2011 15:57, Marjorie Wilser wrote: Gosh that was fun! Thanks for the link! == Marjorie Wilser =:=:=:Three Toad Press:=:=:= Learn to laugh at yourself and you will never lack for amusement. --MW http://3toad.blogspot.com/ On May 3, 2011, at 6:00 AM, Rachel Sohn wrote: Thinking of starting a Bad Hat Society... Kathleen You're too late: http://madhattery.royalroundup.com/ :) (Ok, not strictly *bad* hats) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Silly books (was: pouting about R. Wedding coverage)
Yes indeed - the author is Gail Carriger. Steampunk, vampires and werewolves, detective-comedy-action-romance, and the social commentary of an intelligent woman whose female acquaintances think of nothing but bonnet trimmings and the militia :-) On 01/05/2011 12:11, Genie wrote: Oh, you're talking about the Stempunk/romance series, Soulless I think. The main female character's best friend. -Original Message- From: Elena Houseexst...@gmail.com Sent: May 1, 2011 12:57 AM To: Historical Costumeh-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Silly books (was: pouting about R. Wedding coverage) I love very silly books featuring hideous Victorian hats. Who's the author and what's the series? -E House On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Jean Waddie anne.montgome...@googlemail.com wrote: Re hats: I'm reading a series of (very silly) books at the moment, set in Victorian London, where the heroine's best friend is noted for her utterly hideous taste in hats. Perhaps the writer has been watching certain younger royals? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] pouting about R. Wedding coverage
I thought the trees were brilliant. How do you get enough flowers to look significant in a huge Abbey? - just get trees instead! On 29/04/2011 19:08, Sharon Collier wrote: My daughter theorizes that Kate had always wanted an outdoor wedding and this was the compromise. I liked it. It made it magical. Tied the stone trees (pillars) into Nature. Sharon C. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cin Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 10:38 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pouting about R. Wedding coverage So wierd they brought trees into Westminster! They werent there when I was in that church earlier this month. --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] pouting about R. Wedding coverage
Don't know about all of them but at least one is going to be planted at Highgrove (the Prince of Wales' home, since they don't have a permanent home of their own yet) as a permanent memento of the wedding. Re hats: I'm reading a series of (very silly) books at the moment, set in Victorian London, where the heroine's best friend is noted for her utterly hideous taste in hats. Perhaps the writer has been watching certain younger royals? Someone really needs to tell them how dreadful they look! Jean On 29/04/2011 21:07, Margo Anderson wrote: On Apr 29, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Jean Waddie wrote: I thought the trees were brilliant. How do you get enough flowers to look significant in a huge Abbey? - just get trees instead! And the trees can be planted out somewhere, hopefully in a park or other public place. Margo ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Looking for more information on a portrait of Henry VIII
I couldn't remember the details of the original so I had a quick google and found it on this page http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/henry8face3.htm - unknown artist, copyright Christie's images. It is definitely less decorated than most versions (there are LOTS of copies of this portrait!) and the doublet seems a different shape - there's no belt or shaping at the waist, in fact it's really unclear what happens below his hands, and the big double edging up the front looks a bit odd. It makes me wonder if this is actually a late copy by someone who didn't really understand the clothing of the time? And compared to all the others, that silk looks more rich merchant than kingly, to my eye. But you could always take that as inspiration, and use the other versions for the shape. Jean On 11/03/2011 02:06, Elizabeth Walpole wrote: Hi everyone, I was looking at portraits of Henry VIII today and found this portrait I hadn't seen before http://www.flickr.com/photos/60861613@N00/3711035063/sizes/o/in/set-72157617185980487/ It looks to be a copy of the famous Holbein portrait but with very little decoration (as my embroidery skills are not up to much it seems much more feasible) So, my question is does anybody know of a larger version of this image or more details (e.g. artist or collection) so I can narrow my search. Thanks Elizabeth ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] cleaning up a wool gown
Vacuum? Last night I was vaccuuming sawdust off a microfleece jumper (why can't he find his work shirt before he starts sawing?!) with the stiff brush intended for car interiors. It worked better than I expected - washing doesn't shift it at all. Jean On 15/10/2009, Alexandria Doyle garbaho...@gmail.com wrote: I have a wool gown that I need to clean-up/freshen up for wear this weekend. The last outing with this black wool 15th century kirtle was at a dusty/windy camp ground. The skirt is covered with dried grass and such. What is the quickest way to get all this grass and debris off the skirt? I keep thinking brushing is the term I've heard used, but never done so. I've always used tape on wool skirts to remove pet hair (my usual clingy debris). Is there a particular type of brush I should use? Stick with the tape? Of course I've procrastinated until the last minute and it has to be done tonight with a jillion other things to be ready for the event tomorrow morning, so any shortcuts are welcome! thanks alex -- So much to do and so little attention span to get it done with… ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 17c jacket sewing advice
Dear Kate, The best advice is, don't expect them to fit neatly, they never did! The pictures I've seen of extant garments with triangular gores, the top of the triangle tends to be flattened or rounded off. My technique is to sew the top couple of inches first, with the rest of the gore loose, and then when you've got the point in you can do the rest of the seams. Pin one side, stitch that bit up to the point, then wrangle it around and pin the other side and stitch back down. Jean On 05/10/2009, Kate Bunting k.m.bunt...@derby.ac.uk wrote: Dear list, I have at last started on a long-planned project to make myself a 17th-century jacket (for when I need extra warmth). I'm using a pattern from The cut of women's clothes that has triangular gussets in the skirts. Now, as a not-very-competent needlewoman, I'm finding it difficult to get the points of the gussets to fit neatly. I'm only working with the lining material as yet, and have only tacked the pieces together. Can anyone offer any advice before I start sewing properly? With thanks, Kate Bunting Librarian 17th century reenactor The University of Derby has a published policy regarding email and reserves the right to monitor email traffic. If you believe this email was sent to you in error, please notify the sender and delete this email. Please direct any concerns to info...@derby.ac.uk The policy is available here: http://www.derby.ac.uk/LIS/Email-Policy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 15th century hose - codpiece
I'm not quite sure what you mean, but I think the answer is that the codpiece overlaps the front of the hose pieces, it doesn't fit edge to edge. The hose may meet or not, the codpiece just covers if they don't meet. Can you tell me what the badge is that the gentleman in the hose is wearing? Jean On 21/04/2009, Zuzana Kraemerova zkraemer...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you for your suggestions - I also thought the opening must be way lower than the regular fly. I also examined carefully the sketch of the codpiece in pattern cutting for men's costume (great book, by the way) and I found the triangle is inserted just at the point the inner seam and crotch seam meet and is sewn between the legs - some inches after that it goes into the codpiece and opening or attachment of the codpiece is really 1-2 inches lower than the modern fly. This arose another question - the triangle that's to be inserted between the legs actually adds more room. There can be more room between the legs for movement, but not extra room in the lower part of the front section - it would make the hose too loose at the hips. Am I right to cut off a bit of the front part to accomodate this? It would cause a small gap (equal the width of the triangle) in the front seam, but that's - I think - right. It will be covered by the codpiece anyway - the vidible gap part will be just about 2 above the codpiece: http://www.brodec.org/malesov_2007/slides/P1030813.html (The hose is really terrible, but I put it here just to show what I mean with the gap) The only thing that confuses me is that neither Thursfield nor E.Friendship suggest cutting off the front part because of the inserted triangle. What do you think? Zuzana ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Director-designer professional standards
Margo Anderson wrote: On Apr 14, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Paula Praxis wrote: This a discussion that benefits all era of costume. Agreed that not all on this list work in theater but many of us do and to hear from others about your experiences is great. I agree the modern period is the most difficult to design for. I much prefer period plays. however there are some times that are more difficult than others. I designed a play set in ancient Egypt. I love archeology and am aware that slaves in the real' ancient Egypt worked naked - this didn't go over too well with my director - so I let her have her way and designed slave costumes for the ensemble. I'm helping with costumes for my 6th grader's class play, which is set in Minoan era Crete. Not surprisingly, the teacher doesn't want historically accurate costumes. We're putting them in chitons. :) Margo I went to a costume party as Ariadne when I was about 15 - my friends and I were all studying classics and reading Mary Renault... I did my best to do the skirt and a high, pointy belt (a bit Wonder Woman, really!) with a lined but gauzy bodice. It kind of gave the idea without giving anything away. When we visited Plimoth Plantation, I spoke to one of the Native American interpreters about how what she was wearing, as modern traditional costume, compared with what her predecessors would have worn in period. Her response was along the lines of I'm way overdressed. Just another example of modern sensibilities getting in the way of accuracy - tut tut! ;-) Jean ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] DESIGNER PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS
Chris Laning wrote: These experiences suggest that both designers and directors would be happier in the end if, whatever the expectations are, they were *written down* and agreed on ahead of time. I absolutely agree. My husband and a group of friends build sets for amateur theatre, so I've been reading this thread from the other side, as it were. Having had less and less time to build bigger and bigger sets in recent years, the latest show was an absolute monster - two structures, 20 ft high, 20ft wide and 8ft deep(just to have space for enough buttressing), which the director originally wanted to move in sight during scenes! They built it, securely enough that the theatre's resident stage manager allowed them to use it and move it, which was in question until the technical rehearsal, but only with the curtains closed and all cast off stage - but they have now written down conditions making clear that they can only do so much if just presented with plans at 6 weeks notice, and how much better it could be if they were involved in discussions about design and movement requirements at an early stage. Clearly understood expectations are always where it's at! Jean ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT Re: Regional accents, was Making history hip
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/4/2008 8:30:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Someone recently told me that it was a sign of refinement/education to be be to spell a word in different ways. Anyone ever hear of this? Not your, you're and yore. Or two, to and too. I suppose it might seem cosmopolitan to know color is colour in Britain or that you can shop at a shoppe... but it's really just having a good vocab. English has like 3 times more words in it than other languages... stolen from other languages... which is why we have so many different spellings and homonyms. There's a quote from Mark Twain, I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way. Maybe that's what they were thinking of? Rather out of date now that standardised spelling is the norm. Jean ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Subject: Re: [ h-cost]Making history hip
Andrew Trembley wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nah - the bad one is the number of people from soruthern England who've though I was Scottish. I'm not, I'm from near Newcastle in the North East. *rolling eyes* But if you're from another planet, why do you sound like you're from the North? Lots of planets have a north! (Sorry, I had to...) andy Yeees - that's North East England, Debs! But then, if you came from North East Scotland, even I wouldn't be able to understand you. Jean (from south east England, now living in south east Scotland) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] [ h-cost]Making history hip
I went and checked with my husband about the original books, I assume that's what the writer was referring to. But it would be worrying if people then listened to Sean Bean's accent and thought Ah, that's what Cockney is! Jean Kate M Bunting wrote: Trust an American not to know the difference between Yorkshire and Cockney accents! I believe Bernard Cornwell originally created Sharpe as a Londoner, but Sean Bean comes from Sheffield. Saragrace wrote: I know this may start a firestorm, but I saw this and was wondering why it had taken so long for the media to pick up on this. Of course I know there are lots of opinions on how accurate any of it is with respect to costume, but I think it is kind of cool how the emphasis on making history more accessible through documentary, TV series and movies is making the sport of costuming so much more popular. http://tv.msn.com/tv/hiphistory?GT1=ENTERTAINMENT5 Sg Kate Bunting Cataloguing Data Quality Librarian University of Derby ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] early Tudor/medieval Fashion or Not?
Oh dear, humour crossing past each other and failing to meet! I meant
the girl in the St Nicholas painting - I'm assuming they are the three
poor girls who
couldn't marry because they had no dowries, so St Nicholas threw three
purses of money through their window one night (or something like that)
to help them.
Still just a frivolous suggestion. But the quote from the Venetian
ambassador is interesting, and would explain Mary Tudor's lady in waiting.
Jean
Kimiko Small wrote:
You would wonder, except she's got enough jewels on
her to buy a longer gown; so she must not be that
poor. But then, it is a Saint. It may represent
something I don't understand about her story or why
she and 11,000 virgins were all killed by the Huns
(maybe they dressed provocatively with these
demi-skirted gowns.)
{I am trying to be funny, and it is failing badly -
sorry}
Kimiko
--- Jean Waddie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
apron is lying flat). I'm intrigued, if this is
allegorical or an
artistic convention,
why did artists want to show shorter skirts like
that? Is it just that
she's so poor, she's grown out of her gown ;-) ?
Jean
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Re: [h-cost] Anyone seen this in history before?
As far as I know, it's not intended as a way of keeping your skirt out of the mud. But on the other hand, it's not a permanent, sewn arrangement, it's definitely something done with cords that you can either loop up or let down. It would be nice if there was any evidence of someone wearing the same dress different ways on different occasions - like you sometimes get diaries or accounts showing that sleeves could be interchangeable in Tudor times. I don't know that much detail of the period. Jean Saragrace Knauf wrote: Jean, these aren't tied up per se with the intention of letting them down to train are they? Sg Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:34:47 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anyone seen this in history before? CC: This is similar to one method of making the Polonaise, in the 18th century: http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/orie/ho_1976.146a,b_1970.87.htm Jean___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Anyone seen this in history before?
This is similar to one method of making the Polonaise, in the 18th century: http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/orie/ho_1976.146a,b_1970.87.htm Jean Saragrace Knauf wrote: I was browsing through my Pyramid Collection Catalog and came across this skirt and thought it was a great idea. I think I had seen a variation on this a few months ago in Brugges, Belgium (a woman riding a bicycle), but this is the first time I've seen it in a catalogue. http://www.pyramidcollection.com/itemdy00.asp?T1=P8276+S Has anyone ever come across this look in any period in history? The flouncy mode reminds me of some southern belle look, but those are probably permanently sewn in. Great idea for keeping your skirts out of the dirt! I know I plan on using it for my less than historically accurate stuff with the SCA. Sg As one of my favorite historians said: If you thought of it, they probably did too.___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Armor question
Robin Netherton wrote: This question relates to a costume issue I'm working on, but it's out of my own field. I am working with a document from England, c. 1400, that describes a brooch, worn on the chest, as being as wide as the boss of a buckler. There is no additional detail. I need to know what that would mean to the medieval reader. So: What is the typical diameter of a buckler boss (meaning the round metal stud-like thing in the middle of a small round shield) from c. 1400 England? I have no idea if any artifacts exist, but I know that shields with central bosses are evident in artwork. Rather than just look at illuminations and guess, though, I would feel better consulting people who work in armor of this period and have a broader sense of the available evidence. Bonus points if I can get a citation -- to either a written work (period document or a modern study), an extant artifact, or an expert who has studied these well enough to be considered an authority (e.g. not just this is what works for me when I make them or my Laurel says...). If anyone here has a contact with an armor expert, or is on a list or board that includes armor researchers with a strong grounding on period evidence, I would greatly appreciate your forwarding this query along. I will gladly take answers either by private e-mail or to this list. Thanks, Robin I'd second all the answers you've had - ask on LivingHistory, look at the Fechtbuch and other fighting manuals. The key thing is that a buckler is more like a piece of armour for the hand than a body-covering shield, the idea is that you move it around and block (and sometimes punch) with it. The boss is the domed part that covers your knuckles, so fist-sized is the general idea. Jean ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Money weights in accounts
Cin wrote: At 01:43 19/02/2008, you wrote: the foreparte of the George of Dyamountes the Mayle of the curates and Rivet of the same of Siluer half gilte with a sworde in his hand of gold a lozenged Dyamounte like a sheelde and a Dragon of gold weying together iij oz di di quarter a little George of gold to hang at a Collar of garters weying one ounce quarter di Thanks for any help with this. Kimiko snip And BTW, Kimiko, that's one big diamond George jewel that you've got described there. The three oz of gold alone makes a pricey bauble at today's rates. --cin Cynthia Barnes I think you'll find it's regalia of the Order of the Garter! So price was unlikely to be a concern to the wearer. See this site: http://www.royal.gov.uk/OutPut/Page3210.asp - section below the fourth picture. Jean ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Viking Women's Dress - New Discoveries
My first reaction is - that looks chilly! Why would you use all that fabric to keep your bum warm and not your torso? It looks more convincing with the shawl, but as Hanna said, the Valkyrie figure seems to have something apron-like in front. My husband has also commented that there is evidence that ordinary women wore tortoise brooches, not just the idle rich, and a train is not very practical when you're working. Anyone read enough Swedish to tell us if the University press release gives any more information? Jean Beth and Bob Matney wrote: There has been a bit of discussion about this on the Norsefolk_2 list. Here is an image of her reconstruction: see bottom of http://www.uu.se/press/pm.php?id=48 http://www.newsdesk.se/pressroom/uu/image/view/pm_vikingakvinna1-5825 Beth At 01:01 PM 2/12/2008, you wrote: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 06:39:28 + From: Linda Walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] I came across this news item, and thought it might interest some group members:- Women who lived in the major Viking settlement called Birka in the 9th and 10th centuries dressed in a much more provocative manner than previously believed. ... When the area around Lake Mälaren was Christianized about a century later, women’s dress style became more modest, according to archaeologist Annika Larsson. It's from The Local - Sweden's News in English http://www.thelocal.se/9950/20080211/ What a pity there are no pictures of the reconstruction! Linda Walton, (in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: hem marking
Robin Netherton wrote: Pierre Sandy Pettinger wrote: We use the chalk-skirt-marker-and-box method also. My method is similar, but even lower-tech. I stand on a phone book. My choice of book depends on whether I want a hem that brushes the floor or comes a little higher or lower. For instance, if I want a hem that just touches the floor, I stand on a book that is about the width of the hem allowance. I then get a husband or friend to scoot around me marking the point where the skirt hits the ground. The hard floor makes a nice firm backing to the chalk as you mark. I second this one. Pretty much any friend can mark where the fabric hits the floor, while they may be far too nervous to try to mark a distance up from the floor. My husband swore that he could not mark a hem straight, but using this method he marked a dress for me with box pleats at the front and a train at the back and it came out perfectly! Jean ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Another Historical Wedding Question
I've never come across Marriage by Correspondence. But I'm shocked to find they abolished marriage by custom and repute - they kept that quiet! Another unique little quirk of Scots law wiped out, sniff! Jean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! I am doing some digging around for rules concerning types of marriage in the British Empire in the 1870's. A Google search for British Common Law Marriage got me a Wikipedia entry that had a reference that mentions Marriage By Correspondence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_the_United_Kingdom#Scotlan). However, I have been unable to find any other mention of it. Do any of you have any more information about Marriage By Correspondence? Henry Osier Chief Spy Costume-Con 28 in Milwaukee in 2010 www.CC28.org View the latest Intell: http://agent-milw.livejournal.com/ Questions?: http://community.livejournal.com/costume_con_28/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Busy making holiday gifts?
I have just had a week off work making curtains for the new house. I'm pretty pleased - two pairs of muslins, two pairs of full curtains, and two pairs for our two garden sheds, to stop people seeing what we are keeping in there. We've spent today putting up new poles and hanging the curtains - the people before us had only white blinds and thin curtains, it's so much cosier now! I have to go back to work on Monday - pooh! JEan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Halloween and the perception of costume
Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: I know I'm not the only one... I wanted to go to work all dressed up. I looked at my medieval clothing and I just couldn't bring myself to wear this to work. For one thing, it would be like cheating. And it wouldn't really be something unusual to wear, from my perspective, even if people at work have never seen me wearing it. And it would be kind of boring. And, also, well... they're not really costumes, are they? So, with a closet full of beautiful costumes, I had to go out of my way to scrounge together a fantasy gypsy outfit... and it's very nice too! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume I know exactly what you mean. I have used my historical costumes as a base - for example once I added some accessories to my hangarok and went to a cartoons party as Honi from Hagar the Horrible (I made a tinfoil helmet for my rubber duck and she came as Kvack) - but on their own, they just feel like clothes. JEan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] English Gable Hood, Holbein image
Suzi Clarke wrote: At 00:47 18/10/2007, you wrote: I'm at work on an English gable hood, as seen in this image: http:// commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Gablehood_front-back_c1535_detail.jpg Unfortunately I don't have a clear enough image to be able to answer this question: Is there a round button at the center of the converging triangles on the black box on the back of her head? I think I see it, but I'm not sure. Thanks to anyone who can help! I can't get the image to show up, but when I made my gable hood for the Museum of London, I did not see a button. the shape of the pleats on the box were formed simply by taking a tuck cross wise - it is a bit lumpy where the pleats cross, and it certainly looked pretty accurate, according to the Holbein drawing. Suzi Given the front-back c1535 I'm guessing the picture is Holbein's drawing of an unknown English lady - try this link: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/backsketch.jpgIf you take the url back to ...tudor/ there's a great portfolio of pictures on this site. I can see what you mean, but I never saw it as a button before you suggested it, just the product of four triangles meeting. There are so few pictures of the back of a gable hood, and with it always being black it's hard to confirm details! Jean ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Elizabeth reviews
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/12/2007 9:03:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the story of the bastard monarch * It was my impression the Ann and Henry were actually married when Liz was conceived, and that cutting someone's head off for supposed adultery is different from an annulment. She was illegitimised by Act of Parliament (along with Mary) when Henry married Jane Seymour, to make sure any children he had with Jane would take precedence, even if it hadn't been a boy. But that was repealed later, I can't remember when but she would have done it when she came to the throne herself, if it hadn't been done before. Judging by the picture that accompanies the article (a heavy purple moire gown cut beautifully but lacking any decoration)... My first thought was, surely that shade of purple wasn't invented until the 19th century? JEan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Repurposing fabric in the 1940s
Suzi Clarke wrote: At 03:06 05/10/2007, you wrote: Six years!?! It would have been out of style. At least, that's what I would have claimed! :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 4:06 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Re: repurposed fabric...repurposing in the 1940s Still the best book in my collection of sewing and fashion books is the 1940s home dressmakers' book by Pocket Books. This little dynamo of 100-odd pages from a time when a Pocket Book would still fit in a pocket shows a dozen different stitches, odd techniques, clever cheats, and gives descriptions that are superior to any I have read elsewhere. The highlight of the book, really, is how to make new things from old such as the chapter on how to turn your husband's old suit into a stylish new outfit for you. It demonstrates how to dis-assemble the suit and lay a new pattern over the old pieces and really is a very clever thing. My only qualm would be the kind of sentence that must have rung out across the world in 1946: Darling, I am home from 6 long years in the military and I just cannot wait to get out of this uniform and into my good old... My mother remade my Dad's Royal Air Force uniforms into shorts and shirts for my brother in the late 40's or early 50's. and my Dad was still in the Air Force. Thing was, he got promoted to an officer, and all his uniforms had to be replaced. So there was all this lovely Air Force blue wool going to waste... I collect the odd sewing book, and have a lovely wartime book on how to make do and mend clothes that have moth holes, have shrunk etc. And I remember wool knit jumpers being unravelled, the wool washed, and new things made. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Possibly my earliest memory is of unravelling a red wool jumper while watching Princess Anne's (first) wedding on television. I think I would have been about three years old. I remember the red wool - I don't remember anything about the wedding! Jean ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] French hood for Elizabeth I
What you do sometimes get with very young girls is just the hood with no fall at the back. It starts with hennins, where there are a few small girls wearing the dark front piece and no steeple. It certainly carries on to English hoods, not sure of sources for French. All my books are in boxes just now! Jean Melanie Schuessler wrote: Definitely black. In looking at hundreds of portraits and text references from the 16th c., I came across only a very very few images and references to hoods of another color. The bags that Kimiko mentioned are only seen on portraits of girls, and generally in France. The young Elizabeth would have been wearing a black velvet or silk hood, possibly with sewn-down knife pleats down the back. The fall of the hood should be flat, narrow (the width of the head), and rounded at the bottom. Many theatrical patterns have a flared veil in the back in the shape of a half-circle or similar, but there is no evidence for this shape that I've found. As Kimiko suggests, velvet may not work well in doll scale, so a nice silk or silk-like fabric (like taffeta) might serve you better. Melanie Schuessler On Sep 21, 2007, at 3:27 PM, LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: I am continuing my retirement by creating historical costumes in minature for a standing line of willing, naked dolls. Queen Maude (of Norway circa1906-1938) can bee seen in Doll Craft/Costuming, issue for November 2007, along with Queen MarieAntoinette. Have also been having a wonderful time recreating for Maude from the new Poiret catalogue from the Met. (Also the Wardrobe of Queen Maude of Norway) The latest project is trying to evoke the Holbein portrait of Elizabeth I,( Kestner Gibson Girl Repro). All goes well; have been leaning heavily on Hunnisett for the gown;(magically, the patterns of her books are just the size for the doll, so I only need to calculate skirt yardage.) But for the French hood...Would the veil on the back have been Black or would there have been another color suggested for a young girlof 13 yrs.? And, would this have been velvet as is suggested as the right fabric for the period? Next in line is Eleanor of Toledo. Got a marvelous fabric for the Branzino portrait on line last week. I will be using a lovely parian repro of the Grape Lady for that model. Her face and stance is so placid and partrician! Kathleen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] speedy 18th century headwear
Quickest and easiest would be a small lace-edged doily with two streamers, if you achieve big hair, or a little ribbon bow at the back if not. If you have time you can run a casing round the edge of the fabric circle and gather it so it's a bit more head-shaped rather than completely flat. Attach with bobby pins through the lace so they don't show. JEan Elizabeth Walpole wrote: Hi all, I've been invited to a 'Pirates of the Carribean' ball this weekend and I'm trying to create an 18th century impression (accuracy isn't hugely important but I'd like to kind of fit with the theme). I've done what I can with the dress itself (basically taking this dress http://farm1.static.flickr.com/117/315985189_13bdd4e2ef.jpg and trying to make it look like a robe a l'anglaise by adding a ruffle of lace to simulate engageantes [sp?], I also thought of looping the skirt up to simulate a polonaise but as it's not open in front I don't think that will work so well). But I think what is going to really make this look 18th century is the accessories. Thus far my plans are to try to simulate an 18th century hairstyle using my own (hip length) hair over pads and possibly a cap of some sort. So my question is does anybody know of instructions on the web for making an 18th century cap that might work with 18th century big hair but also work OK with more flat hair if my attempts at big hair fail. thanks Elizabeth Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] middle ages: braies for women?
Do please try to go back and find out the source! In our group we always say we don't know what women wore under their dresses, because we haven't found any naughty pictures from the period. But I for one often wear braies just for warmth. You don't necessarily need braies to wear hose or chausses, you can tie them straight to a belt or wear knee-length ones, but it's more comfortable with braies. In terms of it being a scandal for women to wear drawers in later periods, it's amazing how short society's memory can be about that sort of thing. And I was told by Hungarian folk dancers in the 1990s that, for them, it was still just recently that only prostitutes wore knickers. Their dancing skirts were almost full circle, sunray pleated, but they wore a very short, straight underskirt to preserve their decency when the skirts flew up in spins and (they said) no knickers underneath. Jean Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: Hello, I recently looked through a (not yet published) costume book of one of my friends which tells about clothing in the western Europe around the 13th and 14th centuries. It is divided into chapters, each for one specific garment (like gardecorp, tunic, surcotte...). It is supposed to talk about nobility. Well, in a chapter about women's underwear, I found a picture of a woman wearing something like male braies, and another picture depicting a woman with a garment that looked like today's pants or knickers. It was redrawn, but if I could only remember the source... The author said nothing and it looked like he was thinking it was a general practice for women to wear such underclothes. Well, if I remember right, all history of underwear books tell you what a scandal it was when (was it catherine de medici?) in the 16th century started to wear drawers, inspired by the eastern countries. Then, it was actually the 19th century when drawers became common and were no sign of scandal or anything else. Another question that has something in common with the first one is: Would women wear chausses under the skirt when it was winter? If yes, it would be logic that they needed braies to tie the chausses to something. Do you know anything about this? I really am confused but this topic interests me quite a lot, so I'd like to get to know something more about it:-) Many thanks, Zuzana - Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] ironing washed linnen
Why did i have to read this article before going to iron all our underlinen from last weekend's event? It's much too dry, but time just doesn't allow for me to catch it while it's wet. Spray bottle, where are you? Jean Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi, Manny manny thanks for your help with this. Ill wet it a little and put it in a plasticbag for the night, so that i can start ironing early tomorrow. Thanks again. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] help dating a portrait of Mary Tudor
The background looks to me like tapestry, or it might be painted pannelling. I've never visited the Houses of Parliament but I bet these are all along a corridor or gallery somewhere. Jean Elizabeth Walpole wrote: - Original Message - From: Melissa Brown Muckart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 7:18 AM Subject: [h-cost] help dating a portrait of Mary Tudor Hello everyone, I am embarking on some Tudor costume. I am searching for a citation for the portrait on this page: http://www.explore-parliament.net/nssMovies/02/0296/0296_.htm I've looked around the website and cannot find any contact information for the website itself nor anywhere on the site that gives credit to the artists for the portraits therein. I've googled until my eyes bled, but was unable to find the first portrait anywhere else, which leads me to think it may be a more modern piece (a learned friend suggested perhaps Victorian). I think this is probably Victorian looking at most of the other pictures listed nearby in this list of images http://www.explore-parliament.net/nssMovies/index.htm and the fact that images like this http://www.explore-parliament.net/nssMovies/02/0279/0279_.htm image of Anne Boleyn (which the website clearly says The painting on which this portrait is based is now known to show another Anne, a Queen of Hungary. other portraits e.g. Elizabeth of York, Catherine of Aragon and Catherine Howard also directly mention the original portraits they are based on) is painted on the same background I believe they are of the same date and therefore the image you're looking at is a 19th century (or later) copy, not a period image. Elizabeth Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Native american dresses
Wow! That is fascinating, thanks so much for posting. I thought the 19th century cloth dresses were expecially interesting, the similarities and differences from European dress. JEan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going to this exhibit tomorrow. _http://www.nmai.si.edu/exhibitions/identity_by_design/IdentityByDesign.html_ (http://www.nmai.si.edu/exhibitions/identity_by_design/IdentityByDesign.html) This online version is really good! Check it out. Beautiful and amazing! Click on one of the different sections listed at the top of the page, then the arrow to the right advances the visuals. [It took me a minute to figure this out...duh!] Enjoy! ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] The Golden Age(film)
Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote At 18:48 11/07/2007, you wrote: The sequel to the 1998 film Elizabeth, starring Cate Blanchette and Geoffrey Rush, The Golden Age has released its first trailer. I caught it on E channel on TV last night(suffered through 45+ minutes of Paris Hilton, et.al until it finally showed!) The costumes and hairstyles are amazing, but historical accuracy mavens(and I'm one)will possibly not like them. I do appreciate how they set the mood of the film, so I won't carp. Pity is is that it will be Dec or later before most of us outside major cities will be able to catch it--it will be around Thanksgiving or a week or two later before its debut. I hope a making of the movie book is in the works so I can drool over costume pics for this film, accurate or not. It's a pity she looks like Gary Oldman in Dracula in one of the pictures!! (The bifurcated wig and lime green silk dress one.) Suzi It's certainly an interesting mis-interpretation of that 15th century style of headdress. The doily in the middle makes her look like a butterfly cake! Jean -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I've had no messages for a week - is anybody out there?? -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Anglo-Saxon in a nutshell?
In terms of differentiation, use decoration and jewellery. Saxons go for braid, embroidery, and bling. Normans are restrained and plain, just a bit of contrasting facing on cuffs and necklines. Not necessarily accurate, but good shorthand for that kind of event. Jean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote I will be attending an event with a theme of Saxons vs. Normans, later this summer. My husband and I have elected to side with the Saxons, but as this is rather earlier than my usual periods, I'm not sure where to start. How does Saxon dress differ from Norman dress of roughly the same period? Are there any nifty websites that everybody who does 11th Century costuming knows about? I don't need to be Excruciatingly Correct, but I do want to be identifiably Saxon. Thank you for any pointers you may have, Emma ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] lovely find
Just what I thought! How wonderful to have the photo as well - but looking at the photo I would never have guessed the dress was bright red. I seem to remember that when we only had black and white TV I was more used to recognising colours from their shading - watching snooker was not as pointless as it sounds. I wonder if people were better at understanding the colours in Victorian photos when colour printing was less common? Jean Sheridan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Now that is an excellent reminder that old-e time-y clothing was most definitely not drab and dark. Beautiful! Sheridan P From: otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1879 home robe http://www.antiquedress.com/item4260.htm De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Women in Art Retrospective
Anne Moeller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote The metamorphosis between faces reminds me of nothing less than the transformations in werewolf movies. An American Werewolf in London in particular has the whole face stretching and morphing. Ugh! I accept that it is very clever, but goodness it gives me the creeps. Too many horror movies in my youth no doubt! Suzi Ah, yes. A truly misspent youth :) It was pretty strange but cleverly done. The part that worried me was how many faces I recognized !! Anne I liked the early part, the way the expressions change so it looks like the woman is turning to greet somone or shyly looking away from the viewer. But some of the later faces don't fit together so well, and it does get a bit disturbing at the end with the abstract pieces! Jean -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] FW: The Attifet revisted
I assume when it says they do not let their faces be seen, we're assuming masked from the sides rather than covered completely? Or is there any evidence for veils over the face? Fascinatingly similar to recent discussions (in the UK) about Muslim veils - headscarf or face-veil? Jean WickedFrau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Sorry if this is a repost, I don’t see it showing up on the list. - Original Message - From: Katherine Barich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's the quote from page 82 (note the one t) Atifet - Cette coiffure sévère, portée par la veuve de Henri II et les dames nobles de Paris jusqu'a la fin du XVIe siècle, rehaussait par deux petites arcades les cotés du front et couvrait la chevelure d'un voile retombant sur les épaules. 1590 - Le nobili matrone di Parigi non si lasciano veder il viso ... la lor acconciatura di testa e chiamata l'atifetto, il quale fa due archi dall parte de fronte, coperto di un veletto attaccato con una punta sopra i capelli del fronte, e poi cade sopra le spalle, e sotto di esso veletto si vedon i capelli ricci ben accommodati (Vecellio, t. II, p 238, edit. Didot.) [Atifet - This severe coiffure, worn by the widow of Henri II and the noble ladies of Paris around the end of the 16th century, elevated by two small arcs on either sids of the front and covering the hair with a veil falling to the shoulders.] [The noble matrons of Paris do not let their faces be seen...they arrange a style on the head and call it the atifetto, which has two archs on either side of the front, covered with a small veil attached to a point above the hair in the front, and then falls to above the shoulders, and beneath the small veil their curly hair is quite accommodated.] Katherine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960s-70s School Dress Codes
Chris Laning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Interestingly, these are still battlegrounds in some places. The school I work for is a Catholic private school for girls, and they have always worn uniforms. Until this year, pants have only been allowed by special exemption to the few students we have whose families are Muslim (whose definition of modest dress includes having legs covered). This year, by radical innovation, students could wear pants during the winter, and some did; but they had to be the official uniform pants, which are on the expensive side. Requests by students for the option of wearing pants are frequent, but always blocked by faculty who feel they are unprofessional looking unless they are the tailored uniform pants. Our students don't feel this is fair, especially since the other Catholic high schools in town that include girls _do_ allow pants. (For the one that requires uniforms, they must be a particular color of Dockers.) The faculty who object claim that if pants were allowed, it would be too difficult to define which pants were OK and which were too tight, too low-slung, or too baggy and gang-like. It will be interesting to see what happens :) This reminds me of a bizarre rule we had at my school, in the 80s. I don't remember being allowed to wear trousers except on the way to and home from school, as part of uniform. But in the top 2 years, when you were no longer legally obliged to stay in school, you didn't have to wear uniform. This was standard in my area, I don't know if the same was true across England. The idea was that you got used to wearing the kind of smart clothes that would be required when you left and got a job. We were allowed to wear smart denim trousers but not jeans. I never did understand what the difference was! Jean -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: color names (getting OT)
Gail Scott Finke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote I also once interviewed someone from the Pantone Institute, which is run by the Pantone company that puts together formulas for inks. She told me, very seriously, that green was the first color to appear in the universe. Those color people are a funny lot! Gail Finke I know there are linguistic studies that aim to show the cognitive importance, if you like, of different colours by the order in which languages develop them. You have to work on words for colours that are not linked to the description of an object - orange or aubergine, for example, just say the colour of that thing. But all languages have words for light and dark, black and white. I'm pretty sure the next one is red, then green and blue interchangeably. So if a language has a word for either green or blue, it must also have a word for red - if it has no word for red, it can't have a word for green or blue. I seem to remember it goes a bit random after that. So green may have been the first colour to appear, but red is the most important one to identify and tell your friends about! Actually wouldn't there be volcanoes before plants? ;-) Jean -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost]Colour names, was Need Help
My husband does model wargaming, and I'm always entertained by the names of the paints, shaded specifically for the different armies' uniforms and camouflage designs. Israeli desert pink is a favourite! Jean Ruth Anne Baumgartner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Ultramarine, like many other colors (magenta, Prussian blue, midnight blue, apricot, burnt sienna, ocher, even lavender), was described definitively and permanently for me in my youth by my big set of Crayola crayons. And Patty's description definitely squares with Crayola. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer p.s. The Crayola color flesh has been long since re-named. Lucky, that--I didn't know ANYBODY who was that color, but clearly it did imply that dark-skinned people were an aberration as far as the color of their flesh was concerned, and I'm glad that notion has been obliterated! Significantly, though, I never can remember what the new name is On Jan 26, 2007, at 9:58 AM, Rickard, Patty wrote: American here - ultramarine was strong darkish slightly greenish blue for me -when I was a girl - maybe a generational, not national, thing? Patty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 4:22 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost]Colour names, was Need Help At 09:06 26/01/2007, you wrote: Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor Lavolta Press [EMAIL PROTECTED] 26/01/2007 02:58 wrote: Bear in mind that the meanings of many Victorian color names changed from fashion season to fashion season; and also, different, trendier names were often applied to the same old colors. I find this is still true. Here in the UK aubergine is usually a dark purple (the colour of what you Americans call eggplants), but in a recent catalogue I've seen the name applied to a lighter pinkish-purple. I was buying cotton thread yesterday, and the mauve/purple/paler aubergine thread was called Ultramarine. Now when I was a girl, as they say, ultramarine was a strong darkish bright blue. My American companion said that the purple-ish colour was a colour/name association she knew - I didn't! Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: aprons
I have come across modern traditional costumes in France, probably based on 19th century, where they roll the overskirt up and to the back and tuck it into the waistband. I was told this was originally to keep it clean, effectively using the linen/cotton underskirt instead of an apron. Jean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Sorry I'm a little late commenting on this subject, but Brueghel (Flemish 1530s-40s) portrays aprons that seem to be a big rectangle of linen tucked into a belt. http://tinyurl.com/2ded6x I have a book with a really good copy of this painting and other Brueghels, and up close you can see the women have tiny little narrow belts that seem to be leather. Some women wear more than one belt. Their aprons are usually tucked into a belt or sometimes their overskirts are flipped up and tucked into the belt, although I don't know if that's in lieu of an apron or just to show off the contrasting lining. Hope this helps, Tea Rose Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Aprons (again)
These make me wonder whether the supposedly square / rectangular waist aprons, without a separate waistband, are extended in a similar way to provide ties. You need an extremely large square to be able to just tie the corners around your waist. But it does seem very wasteful if they are cut in one piece as they seem to be. Jean Lauren Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote It looks like waist-height aprons were often a square of linen with the top corners tied behind the back. In these Manesse Codex aprons, the smiths' aprons look as if they could be tied like napkins around the neck. The seed-sower here in October of The Tres Riches Heures du Duc de Barry http://humanities.uchicago.edu/images/heures/october.jpg is definitely wearing some kind of simple square or rectangle tied round the neck. But this seed-sower seems to have a more constructed version: http://classes.bnf.fr/idrisi/grand/1_04.htm (Peasants in the field in Le Régime des princes) A woman blacksmith and a man in The Holkham Bible Picture Book c. 1327-1335, http://www.bl.uk/learning/images/medieval/year/ large2163.html, seem to have aprons where the napkin has been slashed somehow to provide shoulder straps and waist ties. Does anyone have any thoughts on how these bib aprons might have been shaped or constructed? Thanks for your thoughts. Lauren Lauren M. Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Jan 13, 2007, at 3:51 PM, otsisto wrote: And the Manesse Codex but men. 1340 http://www.tempora-nostra.de/tempora-nostra/manesse.php?id=203tfl=124 But not the waist tie ones. De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Aprons (again)
Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote On Fri, 19 Jan 2007, Jean Waddie wrote: These make me wonder whether the supposedly square / rectangular waist aprons, without a separate waistband, are extended in a similar way to provide ties. You need an extremely large square to be able to just tie the corners around your waist. But it does seem very wasteful if they are cut in one piece as they seem to be. When I need an apron, I take a linen rectangle (which I normally use as a napkin), tie a ribbon or cord around my waist with the bow in front, fold over the short edge of the napkin by a handsbreadth, and tuck it into the ribbon to hold it across my front. You wouldn't be able to tell from a distance that the ribbon isn't attached. I have no authority for how I do this and wouldn't present it as authentic, but it works, uses known technology, and looks like the pictures. --Robin I can see that for the narrow ones that hang flat. But can you reproduce the look of the ones that pull and drape, like the Bakery and Buttermaking ones? I find it particularly interesting that these don't seem to tie around the actual waist, but hang lower. -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: victorian wedding clothes, was [h-cost] Another film costume rant
Reading this thread, and the questions about necklines and sleeves, I wonder did it have any effect that a wedding dress is made for going to church, in the first place? Even quite recently, many people would frown upon a wedding dress that was off the shoulder or sleeveless - it might be covered up with a shawl or bolero jacket for the ceremony, and then uncovered for the reception. What was the dress code for church in Victorian times - I suspect it was much more severe in middle and lower classes, but what could an upper-class bride get away with? Jean Penny Ladnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Albert Cat, I have etiquette books from the later part of the Victorian period. They suggest that the bride wear her wearing dress for the first year after the wedding. She is to wear to special events. My grandmother married in 1901 and had a nice white wedding dress. She wore it church frequently. BTW, she was of modest means. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] The Green Valley
It was absolute bliss, utterly fascinating - and in Scotland they decided to take it off after 9 episodes, so we had to get the DVD to see the last 3 months, grrr! I learned so much that you just don't think of - not specifics, but general things, like, spring is not a time of plenty, spring is the lean time while you wait for new stuff to grow. And what tools and structures are permanent, and which are temporary or disposable, made new when you need them. Wonderful series. Jean Five Rivers Chapmanry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote I don't know if any of you are following TVO's presentation of the BBC series that follows the lives of several archaeologists/experts who are recreating life in the 16th century. Unlike most reality shows, this one is not set up for conflict, rather for discovery, hence the reason they chose people who were knowledgeable of, and experienced with recreating, the period in question. The costuming is wonderful, right down to the torn shirt of one of the fellows, frayed hems, grotty nails and all. They're eating real period food, doing real period tasks, with knowledge and in some cases with additional expertise. There's no whining and whinging and secret caches of modern items. They are completely and utterly dedicated to their year in the 16th century. It has been an interesting journey and I look forward to further instalments. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.5rivers.org ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Mona Lisa
otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Note the Mona Lisa's left shoulder. There seems to be a shear something which I do not think is her veil. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/Mona_Lisa.jpeg I'm only looking at the online picture, but I think that thing by her left shoulder might be a leaf or palm or something, that she is holding in her left hand. See how her fingers are positioned? and it doesn't seem to sit right for fabric draped over her shoulder. Jean -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Sharpe BBC(A) series
Adele de Maisieres [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Elizabeth Young wrote: BBC America's Playhouse show has been running the series of 2 hour Sharpe movies lately. All 1813. What do you (collectively) think of the costuming, both civilian and military? I like it, but what do I know? :) The men's costuming is pretty good. The women's falls somewhere between mediocre and appalling. I've never read the books, but from watching the series (mainly to drool over Sean Bean) I suspect this is an accurate reflection of the relative importance of the female characters! -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] not a recent book?
When I worked in a civil service library, people would come in asking if we had an Act of Parliament It's quite far back, 1960's... - We had all legislation back to Edward I !! Jean M+D: Mary and Doug Piero Carey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote And I had my periodicals librarian hat on. When my patron's first words are do you have old newspapers?, they might mean yesterday's paper, or they might mean 1793! Maria Robin said: Heh. I had my journalist hat on for that one. When I worked on a daily newspaper, anything more than a week old was ancient. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] place names, was: Hancock Fabrics
My husband and I have a theory that there should be wormholes between places with the same name, so you only have to drive to the one nearest and then travel almost instantaneously to the distant one. We think this every time we set off on the 10-hour drive to my parents, and pass a town of the same name about 1 1/2 hours into the journey! Jean Ailith Mackintosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :-D That's nothing...in Ohio, I can visit London, Paris, Cairo, Lima, Toledo and Mantua in a day. Of course, some of them are pronounced oddly; Mantua is Man-ta-way; Lima is Ly-ma like the bean. Cairo and Paris are just wide spots in the road. Except for Toledo, none of them have a fabric store. :-( kate, the wanderer - Original Message - From: Wanda Pease [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 7:41 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hancock Fabrics Did this post make anyone else's head hurt from the names involved (grin)? Poland? Then I got the feeling that the country wasn't what was named by Youngstown, but then Boardman (which is in Oregon as far as I'm concerned) came up. Then we had China (Canton) to balance out Poland! That's what happens when you read in the preview screen and haven't an clue what you have just opened. Regina, Laughing in delight at the names found in short distances in the US ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume?
I don't remember voluntarily sewing articles as a child. I remember making a toy rabbit at Brownies, and Binker embroidered mats at primary school, but I never made clothes for dolls or anything like that. My mother was a needlework teacher, so I learned the basics, and we had to do needlework for a year in high school. I think my mother did most of the dressmaking because she was quicker and better at it. It was only when I got into re-enactment that I saw a reason to sew for myself, and all that I had absorbed without noticing came out - and Mother was quite stunned at my readiness to make garments without a pattern! (only t-tunics etc, but it's a start.) I enjoy the making, and the wearing. Research is not really my scene. I hate cutting out, but once I get going on putting it together, and sitting gently hemming, I'm very happy. I wish I lived closer to someone who liked the other parts, and we coud share. Jean -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Picture of my silk bliaut
You really have got the look, it's lovely. Some time I will take the time to read through your site with my Dutch dictionary. But I do like the picture of the dress all twisted up - it looks as if it would go through a wedding ring, like a Christening shawl was meant to do! Jean Deredere Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote It is the very basic construction. with gores to make the skirt wider and side lacing with added lengt. The pleating is done by moisting the silk, pleat and let it dry for a day. Here is the rest of the website. It is in Dutch http://mystictimes.nl/Bliaut/Bliaut.html Susan Carroll-Clark wrote: Greetings-- Deredere Galbraith wrote: Finally a picture of the bliaut I am working on. Made from natural dyed silk and the belt from natural dyed wool http://mystictimes.nl/Bliaut/ZijdeBliaut.jpg Very spiff! You've definitely got the look down. Which construction method did you use? (For the uninitiated, there are several theories of bliaut construction, including simple side lacing, side lacing with added length through the body to get the folds across the belly, bias-cut, separate skirt piece, and various types of pleating/smocking--not to mention the largely discredited corselet cut). Susan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Tudor costumes for dummies? Help for a theatrical group
Nicole, That's setting yourself a challenge! But I have to say, they're a lot better than the last time I went to Linlithgow Palace. I think you may be able to do a lot with what they have, by tightening up the tailoring and getting them into some proper underpinnings, or at least stiffening the garments. There's a lot of reasonable stuff there, especially the men, they just look too ... comfortable! (I don't mean that period clothing should be uncomfortable, but they look as if they could slump on the sofa in these costumes - tracksuit Tudor!) Jean Nicole Kipar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Right, my question/dilemma is this: There is a very nice theatrical amateur dramatics group in my new Scottish hometown near Edinburgh, called the Linithgow Players. In the summer months they do plays dressed in Tudor costume at Linlithgow Palace, the birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. They set place at the Court of James V and act out scenes with Mary, all for Historic Scotland (very similar to the National Trust or English Heritage). Anywya, that said, the costumes are.. ermm... uhm... not so very good, to be kind. I offered, because I just moved here on my own three weeks ago (my partner's still serving and staioned 500 miles away *sniff*) and would like to get stuck in with costumes and people and to have something nice to do, to help with their costumes. That's all very well, but, while I know a hellofa lot about clothing 1660 - 1715 I know next to nothing about Tudor costumes. HELP! I am ordering Ninya's book, but as Teddy said rightly, this is a theatrical group, we don't need to nor want to make it authentic (they wouldn't even have the budget for that) but to make it look GOOD and make it look better than it is now. Bless them, some costumes are quite nice, but others, I think, we could definitely do something about that and I would love to help and get the needle going (and spend some time in the pub with company ;-) This is their photo page: http://www.linlithgowplayers.org.uk/LPsite/PhotosRe-enactments.htm Don't let yourself be fooled by the reenactment bit, I don't think they got the terminology quite right. It's definitely acting, not re-enacting and we would see it. :-) Anyway, I don't know where to start, I feel lost in a jungle of Too Much Information. Can anyone, please pleae please point me into the right direction of where to start getting a really good feel for Tudor period costumes and, most importantly, which patterns could be adapted (I have Margo Anderson's Lady's wardrobe and Man's wardrobe) and if I can even use some commercial big companies patterns, because those are usually quite easy. Any and all help appreciated, I'd love it if I could help them get the look a bit more right and at the same time do it on a tiny (!!!) budget and a shoestring with only four hands to help (another lady's and mine - and I'm actually overworked at my new work anyway thus haven't got 'that' much time). Thanks ever so much in advance, I really am drowning in websites, books, info, and just don't know where to start and where to go to for a theatrical good looking budget version (it has to be court costume) of Tudor costume. Nicole If you think education is expensive, try ignorance. _ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] RE: Regency Dress Closures (was back side lacing)
Thank you all so much for your help - especially Hope for posting all those scans. I think How to Make a Regency Ballgown that Doesn't Look Like a Hippie Prom Dress is almost exactly where my friend is at! And wouldn't you just know it - why can't we see how they fastened these things? Because they hid it from us! Honestly, you'd think people would have a bit of consideration for future historians when they designed these fashions ;-) Jean -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] RE back side lacing was:Stomacher --a photo demo
This pink dress reminded me... a friend is making a Regency style gown, for a party so it doesn't have to be particularly authentic, but neither of us can work out - how/where do they fasten? Some have buttons down the centre back, but most don't seem to have any visible opening. Please, somebody, give us a clue? Jean otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote This is not English or a kirtle/corset but back side lacing goes back aways. Sorry I am not well versed with dates. http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/wkclass/wk1.html This is 1580. Note the woman in pink. http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/wkclass/wk12.html De -Original Message- Hi, I should not have answered as i did, obviously they did it in a different way than in my period. How long time did they have this lacing in the side bodice? Anybody knows? Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] what do renaissance seamen look like?
Oh no - I put a kilt together with Cap'n Jack's way of walking and I get - centre of Glasgow on a Saturday night! Not a good picture! Jean Melody Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote hhow about Cap'n Jack IN a kilt?? ultimate rowwhhh!double oye! melody --- Dianne Greg Stucki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And yeah, if you got a hubby willing to dress like Capt'n Jack... oye. Enjoy yourselves. ;-) I fell in love with my husband because he enjoyed wearing kilts... I really like men in kilts. Kimiko Last week's People magazine had a photo of Johnny Depp, taken on the set of the new POtC movie. He was shirtless...rarr. Dianne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Equestrian costuming other period tack
Susan Data-Samtak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote snip I've also heard that many of the conventions followed by sidesaddle riders today, using english style sidesaddles, go back to Victorian times when so much of life was codified. One example that was pointed out to me: black gloves are appropriate to use for US Rev War impressions, but definitely not for US Civil War, because Victorians used black gloves as part of their mourning attire and A Lady would not be riding if she were in mourning. A Lady would stay at home, or be driven in a carriage. Can anyone confirm such a statement? snip My impression is that Ladies rode for exercise and pleasure, rather than to get from A to B, therefore it is not something one would do while in mourning. Jean -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Funny Nail Polish Colors
Fantastic! I'm busy decorating - this makes such a welcome change from sorbet and mist and spice. I'm disappointed with My Chihuahua Bites, though - I think it should be poison green. I was traumatised as a child by a ballet examiner with bright green nail polish and a small dog under the desk. Jean Penny Ladnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote I am always looking for funny color names. OPI has some 2006 nail polish colors names! Check these out: Reds: *** I'm Not Really a Waitress *** Nice Color, Eh? *** O'Hare Nails Look Great! *** SoHo Nice to Meet You *** You Rock-apulco Red *** My Chihuahua Bites! (my favorite) To view all their color names go to http://www.opi.com/ Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] abuse of fabrics (aka care and washing) question
One tip, especially for linen - take your yardage and zigzag the two raw edges together, into a loop, before you wash it. It's the quickest, simplest way to make sure you don't come out with a spaghetti bundle of frayed threads. Jean Kahlara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Can someone point me in the right direction for info/resources on best washing methods fof various natural fabrics, especially linen and wool. I know that many of my off the rack 'modern' clothes specify dry cleaning, but if I were to wash my linen and wool yardage first (cool water of course), would that make the finished garment washable by the same method as well without too much risk of shrinkage? It would be so much simpler. Thanks, Annette M - Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] difference of the sexes
Bjarne, I don't know much about the period, but is there a difference between how close the garments are to the body? I'm thinking of a man's waistcoat and coat compared to a woman's dress, I would imagine a man's shirt is a more substantial garment than a woman's shift, and therefore offers more protection to the outer layers. Alternatively, does the silk help the waistcoat and coat move over the heavier linen of the shirt and the outer layer of the waistcoat, while women are not wearing layers that move against each other to the same extent? Jean Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Hi. When i went to Frankfurt recently, we disgussed this strange thing that all of us has noticed. All gentlements garments in 18th century is lined with silk, but all ladies garments lined with linnen? Is there any natural explantation of this? Also Mauritia told me, when working on the wedding suit of Christian VII, that his suit was lined with linnen, very unusuall. I told her, that perhaps it was because of the insanity of the king ( he was suffering of skitsofrenia), and that perhaps he used to sweat exceptionally much because of this? I have no idea of that, but back to the difference of the sexes, why do you think they did this? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] RE: Quality of clothing
Do you still have Droopy and Browns in York? The one in Edinburgh closed some years ago - they did the most gorgeous clothes, but clearly for the well-endowed, and I was an A-cup then! I find an assumption that if you get richer, you get taller - I can get skirts and trousers in cheap end high-street shops, but walk into Cruise or Karen Millen and the rails are at shoulder height and the skirts are nearly to the floor! And it's been a long time since skirts were a shape you could just take 6 inches off the bottom. Jean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote obviously doens't apply to all, but bravissimo in the UK (bras in cups D and above) have been doing clothing for a while now, and their suits are a godsend if you're of ample bosom(!!!), and have the old 'if it fits on the waist it gapes over the chesr' thing. They come in normal sizes, with an extra sizing of curvy and super curvy, dependant on cup size. I just wish they'd expand the normal sizes they cover up a bit (I'm about the top end, and I'm only a UK size 16, (not counting chest!) so not *that* huge. but it the things that really irritate me (probably in equal measure) is the assumption that if you get bigger, you somehow magically get taller too; and the retailers that stop at a size 14UK (or who think that a size 12UK is 'large'). debs ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
*Auto Saved* Re: [h-cost] Olympics costumes
Hope Greenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the costumes from last night's long program were an improvement over the compulsory dance ones. I was impressed that the few I saw actually seemed to fit the theme of the music--Romeo and Juliet, Carmen, and flamenco. ...and then there were the Italians! (http://www.nbcolympics.com/2006/0220/5121831_640X480.jpg) My first reaction to their costume was hey, that looks like something I'd put together when my daughter says 'Mom, can you make me a fantasy costume for an event...it starts in an hour' My husband called it the walked through a fabric store with glue on look. Second reaction was: then again, it looks like a modern interpretation of some nice early Baroque opera costumes Of course, when the music started (music from movie 'Prince of Eygypt') I couldn't help but think yeah I can see Moses and Zippora tending sheep in that outfit... But the skating was lovely! - Hope That one was really vile, and it didn't help their presentation - when they did lifts, the costumes were so busy you couldn't tell which bits were her and which were him! But the other Italians were just as bad - strawberry and pistachio, and then she turned round and it had flowers as well! Like swimwear for mature ladies - yeugh! I do think the short programme outfits suffered from the fact they were all doing Latin, which always has ridiculously skimpy dresses. I don't know if they were required to do Latin rhythms - it didn't seem to suit all of them as dancers. -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] 16th Century Effigies - loops!
To America and back I passed this on to my sister, who works for Hampshire Council's library service. Their local studies department hadn't heard of the project and send their thanks back round the loop for the information! Jean Penny Ladnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Passing this alone from another list... Good news! A brand new research resource for c16th dress arrives on line - a pilot database of images is available at: http://www.jmdsrv1.dyndns.org/tudoreffigies This is the first stage of a project to photograph and make available photographs of Tudor effigies in UK churches. The pilot database contains 44 effigies with photographs of items and features of dress. This represents about two per cent of the material that could be compiled from similar sources. Eventually, each effigy and its details will have a description with appropriate c16th terms and an explanation of how they were worn. The database has been compiled by Dr Jane Malcolm-Davies at Winchester School of Art. Feedback on the usefulness of the images and suggestions for improvement will help with an application for continued funding for the project. Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Child-friendly sword
Kids I know generally have wood, padded and then covered with leather. Works for both swords and axes, and looks period as well as being relatively safe. Jean Shane Sheridan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Hello everyone! I'm forwarding this on behalf of someone on another list; I figured folks here would have an idea or two. :-) -- Snip to relevent question: On another note, friends of mine are looking for a safe dagger / short sword for the enjoyment of their young son. (Safe - as in will not puncture or perforate another person, causing welts upon older brother is considered acceptable use) They do not want the cheap plastic junk found at halloween. I vaguely remember someone posting on a forum about a rubber dagger, seems to me it was made out of a similar material to that of hockey pucks. But unfortunately I cannot seem to find where I saw it. If anyone knows what I'm talking about, please let me know. -- Thanks in advance! Sheridan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Harris Tweed
If it's the hard, tight-woven stuff, make hoods for you and yours. It's as waterproof as anything. Jean Caroline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote I have been very fortunate and have come into the posession of just over 3 yards of Harris Tweed. It's only 28 wide so it's a bit small for a tunic for my other half. I could make a medieval tunic with different material in the sleeves? Any thoughts as to how that might look - are we in a 'spoiling the ship for a ha'porth of tar' situation. Can anyone think of something that could be made with it? I suppose if all else fails I could sell it -- Caroline ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: Fw: [h-cost] Sees
And Barbie appears to be wearing black court shoes (pumps) rather than white trainers, which also helps! Jean Lori Alston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote http://www.wweek.com/html/lifefeature112499.html Second one down in black and white you can see the big bow... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6031569409category=15953 Barbire in a uniform this one fits better on Barbie then they do in real life behind the counter - Original Message - From: Glenda Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sees I've seen worse, Darrell Lea in Australia used to have their shop assistants in a large shapeless shift with a huge floppy bow about the same place as this uniform. Shocking! Unfortunately, I can't find a photo of these on the net. Anyone else in OZ have any pics? Glenda. , but the 20th century isn't exactly my area of costuming interest... I'd say early tacky or late dowdy ;-) Seriously though, I've seen some hideous work uniforms but I think Sees is a real leader here. Fortunately their candy is wonderful and they're not selling their uniforms...those poor ladies... Julie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Crisps?
It has at least as much caffeine as Coca Cola, and more sugar. I have known all-night programming/gaming types go back to the US and be unable to keep awake on Coke, having got used to Irn Bru! Also recommended in Scotland as a hangover cure. Jean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote And what is Irn Bru? Bright orange Scottish 'fruit' flavoured fizzy drink, 'made in Scotland from girders'. http://www.irn-bru.co.uk/ Debs ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Gifts for Brits (was: 16th century and gifts for Brits)
You've just reminded me - dark and gold Mars bars! The ones with plain chocolate and white nougat seem to be standard in the US, they only release them in the UK on very occasional limited edition - ours are milk chocolate and brown nougat. The only American chocolate I prefer to British. Jean Rhonda Donaldson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Hi All, Since I sent in the Hershey's example - I tend to agree with Sharon. I have friends in Scotland that love Hershey's kisses because they are different. When I visit that's usually what I take. But when I come back to the U.S. I bring; Irn Bru, yummy cheese, chocolates, Scottish Blend tea, Jaffa Cakes and different flavored crisps...different stuff is nice to have... Just a matter of taste...but I do like to check in with all my pals across the pond to see if they would like anything new or non-food or different. Have a great one, Rhonda PS my favs are crunchie bars and tablet...YUM! But here in the U.S. it's twix or dark chocsor just food : P Rhonda Donaldson LTA II e-Reserves Jr. Guru Access Services Downtown Campus Library P O Box 6069 Morgantown, WV 26506 293-4040 x4094 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Without change, something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken. --Frank Herbert Weiner's Law of Libraries: There are no answers, only cross-references. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Fabric question SOT
If it's going on the battlefield and possibly getting wrapped around armour and other spiky things, noil or dupion is good because it's not a smooth surface to begin with, so it won't look ruined the first time a thread gets pulled. Dupion would be lighter than noil - easier to carry and more chance of fluttering in anything less than a gale. Jean Becky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Most people think silk is a delicate fiber, but it is a very strong thread. Silk noil or dupioni silk are strong and thicker than the lightweight silk. If you layer the silk it's even better. I took silk painting and you can paint directly onto it. It can be sewn onto, yarn punched or appliqued. Great designs can be chain stitiched like designs on wool fabrics from ancient China. Silk is great for banners. Just make sure to store it somewhere moths and bugs can't get into the project. I'm battling moth holes in a silk artwork I did. Luckily the holes are small and I can creatively stitch over them. - Original Message - From: otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 1:10 AM Subject: [h-cost] Fabric question SOT I am looking for a light weight material to make a banner. I have been recommended Silk Noil as a possible fabric. How sturdy is silk noil as I have never worked with this material. What would you recommend? Needs to not look modern. I have some idea what I am looking for but I am covering all bases. Basically, there is a 6' x 2 1/2'(tapering) embroidered and appliqued banner. It is made of silk and wool. The creator of the banner added an upholstery fringe (allegedly silk) around the edge. This banner is usually carried into battle, so what I am looking into is making a copy so that this beautiful banner won't get trashed. Also because of the fringe and it being top heavy it makes things difficult for the carrier. During a good wind the banner could easily take out someone (either army's personnel, it doesn't discriminate) or wrap itself around the carrier (On the bright side it does make it harder for the opposition army to take it when they have to deal with a body). If I take on the project, I have two weeks to complete it. Thank you, De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] warming a castle
Well, precisely! I have been smiling indulgently at this thread - some of us actually live in the UK, y'know, and seem to manage fine ;-) Jean Karen R Bergquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote I think we are failing to take a very important issue into consideration- acclimatization (sp?). I live near Chicago and after one of our bakingly hot summers, the first time the temperature dips down near freezing (especially if it's a sudden drop) I feel the cold quite a bit. By the end of the winter season , I am laughing at the idea of 32F being cold. Earlier this week we had a day that was up above 45F and there were people out in just tee-shirts and jeans. I also recently saw a piece on one of the educational channels about a woman who trained for years to swim in extremely cold water and eventually was able to swim between Alaska and Siberia in water that the experts say should have killed her in 20 minutes- she was able to swim in it for over 2 hours and come out none the worse for the experience. I realize this is an extreme example but it shows how well the human body can adjust to various temperatures. My opinion is that if you lived in the space all year round, not only would a constantly burning fire raise the average temp, YOU'D BE USED TO IT! Just my temperature tuppence, Karen Seamstrix On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:36:55 -0800 Sharon L. Krossa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 7:35 PM + 1/17/06, Laura Dickerson wrote: A number of years ago we visited Cothele House in Cornwall on a cold rainy April day. It's a granite and slate Tudorish house with fancy woodwork and lots of tapestries on the walls. No electric lights, no central heating. There was a blazing fire in the great hall fireplace, but unless one was standing quite near the fire, it didn't seem to help much. Dark and damp and chilly, although it was at least out of the wind. From the web site I note that this house is closed during the winter, from November through late March, and so doesn't really answer the question of how warm it would be if it was lived in all year round (including the fire places going at least all winter, possibly all year round) -- especially not when visited in April only a few weeks after opening again. (Another consideration is, even when it is open, is it kept heated when tourists aren't there, or are the fires only going during business hours?) All those layers of woolen clothes seemed like a good idea. I have no doubt this is true -- indeed, it is still true in Britain, in my experience, even with central heating... Sharon -- Sharon Krossa, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language more: Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] medieval quote on underwear
Audrey Bergeron-Morin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote I have spent the weekend at an event in an English castle and I can tell you they are still damp. Were there any fires inside? Most of the castles we visited in France were damp and cold, but twice we visited castles where the chimneys had been restored so they'd made a fire inside - makes a whole world of difference. They would still be cold in the winter, though... I have always thought that once you built a castle and got the fires going, and then kept the fires going, winter and summer alike, it probably held the heat better than you might expect. Thick stone walls are certainly very good insulation when it comes to keeping heat out - one event inside a castle at Easter, we were going outside to warm up! Jean -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] medieval quote on underwear
I got The Letters of Abelard and Heloise for Christmas, and was interested to come across this quote today. Heloise is asking Abelard to draw up a rule for her convent, pointing out that the existing monastic Rule of St Benedict makes no provision for nuns, so they cannot follow it properly. And the first example she cites is: Leaving aside for the moment the other articles of the Rule; how can women be concerned with what is written there about cowls, drawers or scapulars? Or indeed, with tunics or woollen garments worn next to the skin, when the monthly purging of their superfluous humours must avoid such things? Of course, this is a 1970s translation of medieval latin clothing terms, but I think we can probably rely on drawers and woollen garments. Caution probably required with tunics ;-) Jean Danielle Nunn-Weinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Greetings! Welcome to the 16th century, a fun and exciting place. G Drawers arrived in England during Elizabeth's reign but were considered novelties and foreign. They weren't adopted as regular wear until later. I've lived in England (as well as Canada and the US) and didn't find it that cold at all, so I think it is all a matter of perspective. Certainly once you have all the correct layers on, drawers aren't going to make much difference except for possibly during activities like horseback riding. However, having seen 16th century sidesaddles (rather odd looking contraptions - one was round and perfectly flat with a peg sticking up for the leg to hook over) even then the drawers would be rather immaterial. Cheers, Danielle At 11:53 PM 1/8/2006, you wrote: Um, I have a rank newbie question. I was always told that ladies didn't wear drawers in this period. Is that a myth, or a regional thing, possibly? I usually do English. And I've always suspected that it couldn't be true. I've BEEN to England. It gets COLD there. Thanks for your forbearance, Tea Rose ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Mainly for UK members - new web site for Costumers
Oooo! That takes me back. My mother taught needlework in South London schools, and I can remember going into McCulloch and Wallis with her to order supplies, from an early age. Aladdin's cave! Jean Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Thought everyone, but mainly from the U.K. I expect, would like to know that MacCulloch and Wallis has gone live with its online catalogue and ordering service. I thought it was a very good site. If anyone has problems with it, please let me know and I will pass on the information. www.macculloch-wallis.co.uk Suzi (A regular customer for mumble-mumble years.) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Just for fun...
Looks good to me (who knows nothing about research from extant materials). The thing I instantly wanted was a family tree to track who the items were made by, and for, and who was making the comment. Jean Marc Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote As I mentioned recently, I have this nice collection of vintage materials - most of which are barely indexed and none really catalogued. So I'm trying to figure out a way to get most of this stuff into a form that would be useful. This is a test page. Note that if this were the real thing, they'd all have pictures. http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/Rushmore/Rushmore.htm I'd appreciate any suggestions. marc ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool
If the fabric is reasonably tight woven, and your seam allowances are not too narrow, it should be OK. When you wash it, it will fray a tiny bit, but it will also felt a bit to stick the frayed bits together. Of course, you don't wash it every week (I remember trying to explain to a colleague of my husband's that you don't wash wool jumpers every time you wear them!) but it will survive washing often enough not to be smelly. Jean Caroline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Betsy - you have described my normal method of heming here. Visibility on the front is not necessarily undesirable - it certanly looks like some of the medieval stiches were both functional and decorative. I think I may go for a sewing the seams down with running stich. My only worry is that this will still allow the fabric to fray. I suppose if the tunic is never washed. authentic but possibly a bit smelly. On 02/12/05, Betsy Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This may or may not help- I've been using a whip stitch shaped like a Z- diagonal as it goes from stitch to stitch, but parallel/perpendicular to the warp/weft in the stitch itself- catching only 1 or 2 threads on the visible side; and if the sewing thread is close to the fabric color it virtually disappears.-maybe an indentation due to thread tension, but that will likely ease out in the next wash. HTH Betsy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 11:40 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Seam finishing on wool I have just finished the long seams on a new 10th/11th century woollen tunic for my husband. In the past I would now switch on the zig zag and do the bits that are likely to fray with that. I've only ever hand sewn hems before (what the public can't see etc) However, I have just spent a month doing run and fell seams on a linen tunic and it would be nice to finish the woolly one also by hand. I have had a look at the York and London stiches and the main option seems to be to flatten the seam and put a running or whip stich up the seam allowance. The running version would I think leave two parallel lines on the front of the garment (either side of the seam) and the whip stich might leave a series of diagonal lines on the front. Does anyone have any other techniques they know about or have tried. I don't think run and fell is particularly aproproate the seam would probably be rather bulky. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Caroline ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Museum of London gable
Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote At 18:20 25/11/2005, you wrote: The Museum of London's website has a press pack in PDF which has many, many pictures of some of the things -- including larger versions the mitten and the sock. Also background info -- well, it goes on and on. Anyone interested in things from around 500 - 1500 should download and read the PDF, really. Go here: http://www.museumoflondon.org.uk/MOLsite/gallery/medieval/pages/c_closu re.asp I don't think I need to take photos next week - that is a great series of pictures. The Press pack I was sent was nowhere near that informative. My colleague Annie the Pedlar is one of the craftspeople, and that is the wretched gable hood that caused me such grief!! Suzi It looks great, Suzi! May I ask, what solution did you decide on for the inside front section - did you do it as a padded roll or flat fabric? Jean -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Apparently the 1990's are Now Considered Period Costume
Ooh yeah! Let's start complaining about anachronistic low-rise jeans ! Jean Karen R Bergquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/20/magazine/20style_90s.html#articleBodyLi nk ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] the latest Pride and Prejudice movie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote In a message dated 11/19/2005 11:03:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: even if you've heard bad things about it. The main commentary I hear about it is it has more of a Wuthering Heights feel...y'know, more romantic than classicalmore Bronte than Austin. But that's OK really. There's room for that. And now we have this one AND the Colin Firth one, so no harm done. There is a point, when Lizzie is in Derbyshire with her aunt and uncle, where she stands on a hilltop with her skirt blowing out behind her - I leaned over to the friend I was with and asked Is that the definition of wuthering? Jean -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice
The bodice is not a fantasy, since we have a government press release saying it has been held back from export (I don't believe everything the government tells us, but I don't think press officers make things up that are so far from the headlines). Since the owner is not identified, I would guess it is from a private collection and may never have been displayed or referenced. The picselect site seems to belong to the Press Association, so maybe they just put pictures up for a short time while they are current. Jean Lloyd Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Re this bodice that may (or not be 17th C...) I just entered the picselect site that someone reports as a visual source for look-see and also did not see a reference for the picture we are interested in. Since this seems to be a film outlet, my suspicion is that this bodice is someone's fantasy. I too have never seen bugles' and 'feathers' as a design feature for this period. Kathleen - Original Message - From: Max Callahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 2:34 AM Subject: [h-cost] 17th century beaded bodice Hello all! I usually just lurk and love reading the posts, but came across an item I figured one of you knowledgable persons might know more about. I found an article on the net ... http://tinyurl.com/brxjg -or- http://www.culture.gov.uk/global/press_notices/ archive_2004/dcms136_04.htm ... It talks about a pink satin bodice (c1640-1650) with a surface design of bugle beads worked into sprays of overlapping feathers. This sounded fascinating as there are so few examples of clothing from this time, but I can't find any more information, much less pictures of it. It's English, and the British arts minister placed a temporary export bar on it at the time. There is contact #s at the bottom of the page for inquiries, but I have yet to want to call long distance and I guess if no one here knows anything I could email them to see if they have updated info... Hopefully, one of the links will work! Thanks for any help, Debbie Callahan :) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] English Gable Hoods
Suzi, Are you looking for detail, or just any images? (to prove it wasn't just a figment of Holbein's imagination?) The Visual History of Costume, 16th century, has three church brasses, also the portrait of Elizabeth of York. Elizabeth of York's effigy in Westminster Abbey. Tournament roll from the birth of Prince Henry, 1511 (he died at 8 weeks), shows all Catherine of Aragon's ladies in waiting in gable hoods, with a squared off back section and no back drape. (Owned by the College of Arms, London) Portrait medal of Anne Boleyn, 1534 (British Museum) These three from the illustrated version of Antonia Fraser's The Six Wives of Henry VIII, Weidenfeld Nicholson 1996, 029783567X And a Lucas Hornebolte miniature of Catherine of Aragon (in the collection of the Duke of Buccleuch) - Sisters to the King by Maria Perry, Andre Deutsch, 1998, 0233990046 Jean Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote As I am fighting a losing battle with a gable hood I am making for a museum (for members of the public to try on, so all the bits have to be sewn together - eurk!) I have been looking for as many images of gable hoods as I can find. Curiously I have only found drawings and paintings by Holbein, apart from the Margaret of Beaufort (I think - early) one. Does anyone have other references? To save time, I already have the following sites as reference. * http://costume.dm.net/headwear/gable1.htmlThe English Gable Hood * http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/gable.htmlTudor Gable Headdress: A Portfolio of Images * http://www.montgomerie.demon.co.uk/enghood1.htmlAn English Hood: Step-by-step Instructions * http://www.ninyamikhaila.com/englishhood.htmlMaking an English or Gable Hood * http://www.ninyamikhaila.com/englishhood.htmlAn English Hood Pattern * http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/gableinst.htmlTudor Gable Headdress Illustrated: Step by Step Directions Suzi (who needs about 5 hands!) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re:was 14 yds of wool, is weathein in Eng
Random interesting fact: There are still the same number of sheep per person in Britain as there were in the 15th century. Just that now, a lot fewer people spend their time looking after the sheep. Ever since I learned that I've wondered where I can go to claim my sheep. I think it's about 6 each, IIRC. Jean Mia Dappert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Tell me about the UK and wool. All the sheep we passed on the way to Litchfield (We actually slept quite near a place called Yarnfield) should have been a clue. We were there in the beginning of September. The first few days were (unseasonalbly) warm to hot. Then it cooled off to what the weather usually was. Luckily I had brough some of my wool things. They are usually WAAY too hot to wear down here in North Carolina and Virginia, except for maybe January or February. Wool petticoats and jackets and were JUSTt the thing . The wool repelled the rain that we had one day, and although we were soaked, it really didn't bother us. The logic of the clothing system dawned on me . Even the men in ca. 1770's regimental weren't too bothered. They were soaked and heavy, but not uncomfortable and cold. 18 cent. Mia in too hot old Charlotte, Distaff with HM 64th of foot, from the grand Stafford, and back there for their regimental reunion at the celebration of 300th anniversary of the founding of the regimmment. They blessed our flags on the silver drums and everything. - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT-Dying in a front end loader...?
Front-loaders are standard in the UK, therefore Dylon machine dye is made to work in them. I do this all the time, never had any trouble. Jean Elizabeth Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Yep, done it in a Kenmore high-capacity front loader with linen using Dylon machine dye from the UK. Worked great. liz young WickedFrau wrote: Anyone have any experience with this? My top loader washing machine is about to croak. I live in the desert and would like to go with a more water efficient machine. Some have suggested just keeping my old one for dying, but that will only last for so long. Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Tippets / wimples
I recently had to straighten out a confusion, because Early Medieval (Viking/Saxon/Norman) re-enactors generally use the word wimple for a single piece headcovering that wraps and drapes round head and shoulders, while 14th/15th century types use it for the specific item covering the neck, worn with a separate veil. Someone asked for instructions for one, and got instructions for the other, which made no sense to them at all! Jean Sue Clemenger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote I've run into something similar, recently, with a current re-using of the word wimple to describe a knitted thing ranging from a simple, oversized tube that functions a bit like the turtlenecked part on a turtleneck sweater (except that you can pull it up over your head, leaving your face exposed, for warmth), or a hooded cowl, built similarly to a medieval hood with cowl (although missing the liripipe). It always causes this momentary huh? with me, because I'm most familiar with the word as used to refer to the woven/linen medieval women's item frequently paired with a veil. ;o) --sue - Original Message - From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 4:22 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tippets I have found very little info so far on tippets and how they were made. I have encountered things called tippets in several different centuries. I had to read a couple of sentences to realize you were talking SCA-period tippets, instead of, say, Georgian ones. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com \\\ -@@\\\ 7 ))) ((( ) (( /\ /---\)) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: playing in period societies?
The SCA in general does not do period fighting techniques, they have their own style of fighting which has developed from what the society chose as safety precautions (rattan weapons, full armour). You might find some individuals in some areas exploring the old manuals, but that is not mainstream for the SCA. There is also SCA fencing, but I'm not sure where that lies between period techniques and modern sport fencing. Jean A. Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote It might also be worthwhile to look at historic martial arts (http://www.thehaca.com/, www.mashs.org and similar) for people interested in period play. I know the SCA does some of this but I don't know how invested they are in true period fighting techniques - I fence with MASHS and their devotion to the old manuals can be as fervent as some of the h-costume memberships adherence to primary costume sources. And they've got to have *something* to fence in! Allison T. -- Message: 14 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:57:14 -0700 From: Lavolta Press [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: playing in period societies? Re: [h-cost] why renaissance... To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed English country dance is an even better place to meet people with historical interests. There are many branches of the Country Dance and Song Society in the US. Their website is: http://www.cdss.org/ Despite being a historically inauthentic revival, English country dance is easy, fun, full of friendly people, and many places have excellent live musicians playing. I think the SCA uses English country dance a lot at gatherings, not because it's really authentic but because everyone can do it. So do baroque and Regency gatherings where people don't know authentic steps. And a fair number of people who do English country dance also do other folk dance forms, especially contra dance, Irish country dance, Scottish country dance (their society's URL is http://www.rscds.org/), and Morris dance. And, a fair number of people who are interested in one or more of these dance forms, are interested in historic dance (especially Victorian) or can become interested in it if they hear about an event. All these dance groups are open to having flyers for other dances deposited on tables somewhere near the entrance, put there for exactly that purpose. Everyone does it, there are usually piles of them. Many people do several of the (related) dance forms above, so local groups try to pick different regular nights and not to hold big special workshops on the same day. It's not because they feel threatened (especially since the organizers are often the same for more than one group). Quite the reverse, it's because they know a lot of dancers want to go to everything in the area and don't want to deprive anyone. (I should add, though, that Morris dance is a performance dance. You can attend open try this dance intro workshops, and many groups welcome beginner members; but regular rehearsals are usually not open for people to drop in.) Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Current day fashion magazines
None! If I'm travelling by train or plane I get Marie-Claire or Red, and I get really fed up of reading the good articles at the front, and then having to pay for, and lug around, all the fashion/make-up/food/interiors/travel which doesn't interest me at all. Wish you could just buy it in sections. Jean In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Penny Ladnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes What current day fashion magazines do you all read? Penny E. Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com Costume Classroom, www.costumeclassroom.com Costume Research Library, www.costumelibrary.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] why renaissance and not 18th century?
Not exactly answering the question that was asked but... I find it interesting what people choose to portray in different countries. In the UK, most people do something linked with where they are, or where they grew up, or perhaps a more distant family link. But the Americans and Australians I have met are more prepared to portray history from somewhere else entirely, doing Byzantine and Bulgarian medieval and all sorts. It seems that, because they don't have the [European] history of that time in their own country, they feel more free to just pick something they fancy. Jean Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Sorry sorry folks, drinks on me! I ment why so much renaissance fairs and renaissance reenactors and not so many 18th century? - Original Message - From: Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 4:06 PM Subject: [h-cost] why renaissance and not 18th century? -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Clothing superstitions (and theatre)
Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote At 16:23 14/09/2005, you wrote: Even worse luck to iron something on a live body, and the thread between the teeth doesn't help there. ahhh...so *that* is why the instructions that come with an iron actually specify Do Not Attempt to Iron Garments While Being Worn! Silly me, I thought it was common sense safety... And another one . If you put on a garment inside out (usually a vest/t-shirt, or knickers/underpants) you shouldn't change it, as that too would be bad luck. Too bad if it was trousers or pants!! Suzi I'd forgotten that one, but yes, I grew up with that. Have to hope you notice before you get it completely on, it's OK if you're only half-way into the garment. Jean -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: Subject: Re: [h-cost] fiber arts and making vs buying clothes
Thanks Debs. I was about to say, maybe it's a difference between US and UK - there is so much less sewing done here overall. I still boggle at the memory of finding fabric by the yard in WalMart in Connecticut! Adapting and decorating I can believe, making accessories from scratch, but for most people actual dressmaking is so ... girly! Jean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Never was a goth myself, but had lots of goth friends (and still have a few!). Most of them wouldn't be caught dead making their own clothes - adapting maybe, but not actually making. There was a healthy band of good cheap 'alternative' clothing shops in Newcastle and the surrounding area, and a few in Leeds, near where I went to college. That said I always made my own clothes - and occasionally bits for friends - largely cos I couldn't afford to buy new clothes. Adapting stuff from charity shops was always popular though! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
