is, and then to make the necessary
mental adjustments.
I would regard learning how to do that as part of learning how to
transpose, and it just has to be done. I rather suspect you are of the
same opinion. I was trying to offer some insights into how.
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recall correctly at one point
all four horns are playing at the same time and each is crooked in a
different key.
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clarity, and
where appropriate putting into a single post all the points I made in
a particular thread. Hopefully they may offer an insight as to how a
keen amateur approaches the instrument.
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in F (written In F basso, i.e. sounding an octave and a
fifth below written pitch). Wagner himself used three different and
incompatible notations in the course of the Ring. So you have to check
carefully what the intended transposition is when you come across a
tuba part.
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cast aside convention without good reason. However, it is
perfectly possible that your horn and embouchure in combination may
have tuning oddities that make your system work better. In the end,
you should go with what works for you.
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exhausted after a weekend of music as on that
occasion. For the second weekend, I retreated to the relative safety
of one of the Wagner Tuba parts. It was a challenge getting used to
the unfamiliar instrument, but at least the transposition didn't
change as often!
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not to take a chance on it, as I suspect that there are cases
where a sludge of oil and dissolved grease has slowed up valves.
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suspect that avoiding grease contamination is more important for
keeping the valves operating freely than the brand of oil you use.
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Rhenish symphony, in the 3rd 4th parts.
The first part of Elijah is definitely in the german B (i.e. in Bb)
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re-soldered sometime.
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the fact :-)
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, you decide to change the way you practice,
and really follow the techniques in the first link, I can almost
guarantee that your teacher will be completely blown away by the
progress you make, and will ask what you have done!
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2008/12/2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
So my simple -- or perhaps simple-minded -- question is, is such a leadpipe
likely to improve the accuracy of my playing, assuming all other factors
remain
roughly the same? I don't want to spend $600 or more, then find out that I
went in a wrong direction.
2008/11/20 Robert Dickow [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
His posthumous horn etudes
are interesting too by the way, I've been playing them a bit lately for
curiousity.
I didn't know it was possible to compose after one had died. I thought
one could only decompose.
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and agility of the cello part and decide whether the horn could
reasonably play it, or whether it could be simplified to make it
playable. Individual movements would probably be more amenable to the
treatment than whole trios.
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of the week, to which friends
relatives can be invited. You have the evenings free to go and see
shows at the Edinburgh Festival or Fringe.
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in orchestras and ensembles in order to get experience
of playing in groups and seeing what works and what doesn't.
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by yours truly for 13 winds
Tickets £10/£5
http://www.concert-diary.com/home/concert_details.asp?id=90661ref=13back=true
If you come for the concert, please drop by and say hello afterwards!
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So I take it you can hit all those wolf notes?
Paxmaha
well it sounds more like a dog Bach'ing.
Reminds me of about the worst pun in musical history.
Bach, and the world Bachs with you.
Offenbach, and you Barcarolle.
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can achieve is to come to
an accommodation with it.
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carefully to what is going on around them, and adjust their own
playing to match.
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for a horn there as well.
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on the F just below the bass stave.
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Couldn't it be possible ,due to the time period, that what he was inferring
was old notation. For you to play the octave above that.
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for the
purpose of adjusting the tuning. Challenging for a single F horn,
Vienna or otherwise, but by no means impossible.
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Hans
We're having the same problem again of the body of your messages not
coming through
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myself to cope with such pieces! Also I knew both pieces pretty well,
one from having spent a lot of time making the arrangement, the other
from having played it many times.
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on with it and doesn't get in the way.
A bad conductor can, by dint of hard work and perseverance, get a
positively bad performance out of any orchestra.
But a great performance is impossible without a great conductor.
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I've recently been listening to quite a bit of Beethoven and Mozart
chamber music. It's amazing how many of their own tunes they recycled.
Take a couple of examples in Mozart, the Theme Variations from the
Gran Partita serenade pops up with entirely different instrumentation
as a movement of the
can nat resist to setting my brass friend right on his very different
opinion.
Try harder to resist answering. It is by far the best approach. So
long as this person's opinions aren't believed by your grandson over
the opinions of his teacher, then little harm will be done.
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pointing out that these are the standard
fingerings because they are the simplest fingerings with the shortest
length of tube for each side of the horn that provide each note in
tune (always assuming the horn itself is properly tuned). These
fingerings are standard because they work!
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.
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that the symphony was scored for everything including a kitchen sink
and four saxophones, he hit the roof, saying When I put 1, 2, 3, 4
Sax in the score, I meant SaxHORNS, not Saxophones!
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choose to listen to
music not involving horns, so that my mind is not distracted by
thinking about whether some aspect of the way the horns are playing is
worth copying. At the moment I'm listening to a Mozart violin sonata.
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want to know as
much as possible in order to assist my grand son.
Ask away! I much prefer to see someone on the list who honestly wants
to learn about these things than someone who thinks thay already know
it all.
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will be to lip the note
into tune.
Once the horn is properly in tune with itself, if you need to adjust
to match the tuning of an orchestra, adjust the main tuning slide, and
perhaps a small additional adjustment on the F side tuning slide. You
shouldn't need to adjust the valves.
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relative to equal
temperament, but the basic understanding has not changed.
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of improved tuning or special
effects, know when it is appropriate to do so, and be able to do it
without stumbling.
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to switch easily for whatever purpose you might need.
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and is avoided if the pupil
can get away with it.
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when
heard by someone well back in the audience.
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for
all Bruckner's symphonies, plus orchestral works by Bizet, Bruch,
Busoni, Dubussy, Faure, Grieg, Reger Saint-Saens.
Worth $20 I think! :-)
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though there is always more still to
learn.
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to me that the musicality with which you approach the piece is
more important than the instrument you use.
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are properly in tune (and once they are, they should
rarely if ever need adjusting) tuning to a concert Bb by playing F open on
the Bb side or with 1 on the F side will probably give you better results.
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in the register and therefore can't be bent so
easily.
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Sonatina No. 1 From an Invalid's Workshop.
The Strauss especially has some lovely writing for the horn!
If you come, do please introduce yourself afterwards, its always nice to
meet in person people I only know by email.
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. Don't try to do too much
each day, otherwise you will get into bad habits of increased tension and
suchlike by trying while tired.
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an uninterrupted air
passage.
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Oops, sorry about that, got my horn lists mixed up!
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neighbors, or because you are travelling and
cannot take the horn with you.
But if those situations don't apply, then I think it better to spend your
time actually practicing the horn.
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changing habits during private practice. But if I am mistaken in that, I
would be happy for you to explain further.
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Hi Wendell
The title of your post sounds like it ought to be a song by Schubert :-)
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perfect, practice makes
permanent, and you want to cause your practice to get you to permanently
play passages correctly. Repeatedly playing correctly instills those habits
and memories.
Hope this helps!
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and intelligently for a month, the
chances are that you will actually sound better than if you had been playing
with an ensemble over the summer.
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to be concerned. Amateurs play for
the fun of it.
If you are a student, and have gone against the advice of your teachers in
not going off on the festival orchestra, then the fact is that news of your
absence will make its way back, and you will be in trouble anyway.
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in the lower register.
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in about 40 years ago, in Brent Town Hall in London. Cannon and
mortar effects were banned as a result of a local bye-law prohibiting
explosive materials inside the building.
A microphone for the PA system was placed inside one of the timps instead!
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the inspiration for every bit of movie
music ever written by John Williams.
And I thought that the first few bars of the last movement of Mahler 6
(celeste, harp, strings) could have been used absolutely unmodified to
accompany the first sight of Hogwarts School :-)
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to Nina Simone. It is quite
striking how many good classical techniques have been borrowed by pop and
jazz composers!
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Hello Fred, you are doing it right absolutely, but ...
The problem is another than many thought: linking one´s playing with the
other players, synchronizing to form ONE body of music.
A few years ago, I had the good fortune to play in an orchestral workshop
conducted by Simon Rattle, with him
of Dauprat's
Méthode d'écorcher un chat. Besides, it was never updated for
the modern valve horn.
LOL. Wonderful! A fine Cabbaging!
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. After the
astringent sound of the Britten, it seemed awfully syrupy.
But once I had gotten by ears accustomed to the idiom I found it a pleasent
enough piece - not outstandingly great music by any means but definitely
enjoyable.
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exactly how those bars
are notated? Do they say con sord and senza sord or are the notes on
alternate bars marked with a + sign?
I rather suspect the latter, in which case Bartok's intention is perfectly
clear - he intended the notes to be hand stopped.
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for consecutive notes. There's no way you can do that with a stopping mute!
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very well.
But it can't work like that unless you KNOW YOUR SCALES!
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, that it is really quite disconcerting when I find myself playing that
kind of piece and am given a part written out in F.
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on playing ornaments at the start of the
Klavierbuchlein fur Wilhelm Friedemann Bach. Others have written
instructions on how to play ornaments since. I suspect that no two books
will be entirely consistent with each other on the subject.
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on
the original learning objective if the student has become sloppy on that
point in the meantime.
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specific purpose is developing facility in lip trills.
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Yes, this event looks crazy to us. But immagine
that you are in charge of Homeland security, and
have to prevent all kinds of possible attacks...
Didn't you know that a horn is a WMD? - a Weapon of Melodic Delight...
Can't allow them into the country!
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residential course, of about 6 hours rehearsal per day. There are a lot of
sectionals in the first week, with the proportion of full rehearsals
increasing as the course progresses.
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Which country?
Don't stop there! What city?
Looks like it is Durham NC. USA
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to happen. I believe that
the fashion in British orchestras for very many years was to play the first
4 notes of Beethoven 5 *way* below the written tempo. It is still done by
some conductors.
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ability that is
trying to improve than a better group that has become lazy and complacent.
In other words, a professional *attitude* needs to be brought to rehearsal
and performance irrespective of the quality of the players.
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to stops,
provided that the stops are brief, and what the conductor says is to the
point. I would rather there be a run-through towards the end of the
rehearsal (if there's time) rather than at the beginning.
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on the course, so for
the informal performance at the end of the course, the second conductor sat
next to the harpist for the Adagietto, and whispered 1, 2, 3, 4 into her
ear for the entire movement to keep her in the same point in the music as
the rest of the orchestra!
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definition of ostinato:
If you get lost, jump 3 lines and play the same bar over and over again
*until it fits* and then press on with the general throng.
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When I went in to try out the one he had put to one side for me, it played
so beautifully that I didn't even bother to try any others - I trusted
Douglas Moore's judgement. I just paid and walked out with it, trading in
the Paxman Studenti that I had used up until then.
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things have changed in the
intervening time, so I would be very hesitant to draw any conclusions from
the occasion beyond it being an example of what used to happen then.
All I can say in addition is that the horn I bought was excellent and has
served me faithfully in the years since.
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of what actually happened.
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pieces in the orchestral
repertoire that would qualify.
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interval relative to a note that is sounding or
has just sounded a moment ago.
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and conductor several seconds
before they finally realised what was going on and everyone collaped with
laughter.
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, that has always bothered me.
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there are any number of other places for that.
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It is considered impolite to abuse spelling.
It is impolite to point out other short comings in the abuse of spelling.
I wonder if there should be a horn-related version of that.
It is inappropriate to clam.
It is impolite to point out other people's clams
:-)
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, but in almost every case I have been able to learn
something from them.
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chair! Several of the amateurs there could easily have been professional
musicians had their lives taken a different turn.
The weekend courses they run mostly in London are also very good - for
instance rehearsing Mahler 6 in a weekend and then doing an informal
performance.
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We don't have Wal-mart in Britain!
Actually, we do. Wal-mart owns Asda.
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was simply too young to
understand the piece. It's only recently, having heard quite a lot of
Strauss over the years and having recently played the Sonatina no. 2 for
winds Happy Workshop (another late Strauss piece) that I feel I could make
a decent stab at Strauss 2.
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composers. Bach, Beethoven, Mozart and your own particular
favourite.
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of the person who has
criticised you.
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, because if you find
yourself having an off-day with regard to extreme ranges, it gives you more
knowledge with which to approach the problem of fixing it.
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ought to be able to order the music for you.
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fingering, but he was
mainly content to leave well alone if it sounded right.
By the way Hans, some of the graphics aren't showing. The whole of the last
movement of K495 is not displaying, and the same applies to the 2nd 3rd
movements of K447.
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slightly wet. That's how I was taught and
that is what feels more comfortable. But I can play dry if necessary, for
instance if I find that my concentration has lapsed and I need to whip the
horn to my lips and play an entry immediately.
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and
cannot afford that kind of lavish expenditure on rehearsal.
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must rewrite a transposed part, buy yourself some MS paper and write it
out separately.
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