Re: CA to IBM product swap

2007-09-17 Thread Timothy Sipples
JT writes: ACF2 === RACF IBM bought Consul recently. Thus you might want to ask about the Tivoli zSecure products (Admin and/or Audit I'd guess). If one of those products helps you migrate faster and easier, and/or makes things easier for the system operators, and/or reduces risk,

Re: Questions on ATTACHX's ETXR exit routine

2007-09-17 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:38:59 -0400 Craddock, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :1) Does the ETXR exit routine share the Linkage Stack with the originating :task? :Depends on your definition of the originating task. The ETXR runs under the control of an IRB on the attaching task when the attached

Re: Running with SQA/ESQA 100% CHECK(IBMVSM,VSM_SQA_THRESHOLD) doesn't allow that as normal

2007-09-17 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
Like Barbara, I'd also like to see some justification for the alerts. Some of them are just inane - especially for smaller sites that may lack experienced staff. Shane ... And that's exactly where the potential strengths and weaknesses of HC lie. For 10 or 20 years IBM is promising us

Re: SAS ITRM vs MXG

2007-09-17 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Shane wrote: Ooooh, I doubt my opinion of the ITRM packaging is fit for public consumption. I'm with you, mate. Quote from the doc: SAS IT Resource Management ensures delivery of IT services and resources in an efficient and cost-effective manner while demonstrating measurable value to

WLC, WLM and all the rest: how optimize them ?

2007-09-17 Thread Max Scarpa
Esteemed listers We have a WLC licence for our z890 machine. It's becoming very frequent that this machine is capped, even for many hours due to 4-hour rolling average exceeding the capping limit. According to someone all is ok, according my humble opinion this is not true, WLM should be

Re: SAS ITRM vs MXG

2007-09-17 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I've already dropped SAS from z/OS due to cost. We managed to get quite a deal for SAS on the mainframe. Ever since January 2006, when they announced sub-capacity pricing. And, you don't have to run any reports. A $100K licence dropped to $36K in the first year and $20K every year after. - Too

Sticker application for libraries

2007-09-17 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Hi I'm searching for an application which can add or maintain extra info's about different JCL, PROC etc. librariry conetnt The 8 bytes member name is not enough in many cases. To see example that the XYZ member is the daily backup job for xyz datasets etc -- Miklos Szigetvari

Re: WLC, WLM and all the rest: how optimize them ?

2007-09-17 Thread Ted MacNEIL
We have a WLC licence for our z890 machine. It's becoming very frequent that this machine is capped, even for many hours due to 4-hour rolling average exceeding the capping limit. This is not necessarily a problem. Are all your service levels being met? According to someone all is ok,

Sheepish answer to Gil's question (was: How to RECALL/RECOVER a Dataset [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2007-09-17 Thread Fenner, Jim
Hello Gil, Of course you are right, I conflated the uses of the rexxes to cater for contrasting uses - (i) conditionally HDELETE unwanted datasets if they are migrated; this avoids recalling them if the only thing we are going to do is delete them before we reallocate them; We encourage

Re: CA to IBM product swap

2007-09-17 Thread Van Dalsen, Herbie
JT, Are you sure this is necessary, is there no way the CA salesmen can come up with some sort of an equation that will make the risk, training, and al the other things that are included in a massive project like this, just not worth the trouble? Regards Herbie Elavon Financial Services Limited

Re: WLC, WLM and all the rest: how optimize them ?

2007-09-17 Thread Max Scarpa
I ask it as we have PI 1 for critical STCs,batch and all the rest (and in many cases by far 1). When cpu is capped, all things goes very slow (for instance deadlocks in DB2 increases, batch run forever, CICS tx increase elapsed time and so on) and I think it's not they want. We haven't a SLA

Re: Sticker application for libraries

2007-09-17 Thread Ed Gould
On Sep 17, 2007, at 3:05 AM, Miklos Szigetvari wrote: Hi I'm searching for an application which can add or maintain extra info's about different JCL, PROC etc. librariry conetnt The 8 bytes member name is not enough in many cases. To see example that the XYZ member is the daily backup

Re: Check it out - AMATERSE, supported TERSE

2007-09-17 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Skip Robinson Unless I missed something in the APAR text, I don't understand if this is merely a pumped up version of TRSMAIN. That is--assuming the kind of flat files we're accustomed to--are tersed files

Re: 1401 simulator for OS/360

2007-09-17 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Roger Bowler On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:08:29 -0600, Mark Post (NOVELL.COM) wrote: Hmm. While I like Hercules quite a bit, I've never heard of anyone saving millions of dollars running anything on it. I do know a lot

Re: Check it out - AMATERSE, supported TERSE

2007-09-17 Thread Robert Bardos
Nice program name btw. Can envision some heated phone calls somewhat like ... and how am I supposed to do that? AMATERSE ... Couldn't resist Robert -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send

Re: 1401 simulator for OS/360

2007-09-17 Thread Shane
On Sun, 2007-09-16 at 14:53 -0500, Roger Bowler wrote: I do feel obliged to point out that saving millions of dollars is not the sole measure of whether something is worthwhile or not. And that from a man well qualified to comment - *especially* about the motivation for, and effort expended,

Re: CA to IBM product swap

2007-09-17 Thread Norman Hollander
Sounds like a royal pain to me. Migrating from one solution to another may seem doable; but the people time in effort to implement, retraining, conversion of data, d/r issues from the old product to the new, and so on, really seems a difficult decission to make. Unless, of course, you have a lot

Re: NEW Z/OS SMF RECORD LAYOUT.

2007-09-17 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
Marcos Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi Mainframers!! I need the new record layout of SMF from Z/OS someone knows how can i get it or sends to me? Thanks! Best RegardS! Marcos Rodrigues. Which new layout are you talking about? The layout

Re: Sticker application for libraries

2007-09-17 Thread Chris Mason
Ed I used to maintain a test/education environment for a number of classes, some of them for colleagues, and at one point I despaired of all the members in all the partitioned data sets for which I was responsible. Probably matters came to a head when I, having spent some time building up

Re: SAS ITRM vs MXG

2007-09-17 Thread Kelman, Tom
Posted by David Kopischke Greetings, Preface: I am not a performance analyst. I have no idea what these products do, hence my question. Our capacity analysis team is looking at SAS ITRM 3.1 functionality. In breezing through the synopsis:

Re: [Fwd: [MVSQuest] Re: Learning when not having mainframe access - suggestions]

2007-09-17 Thread Mohammad Khan
Probably he thought that Don would feel good and Her Majesty won't mind. On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:39:05 -0600, Steve Comstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A post from the MVS Questions Yahoo group. I didn't know Don had been knighted! Original Message snip is called PC/370. It

Re: Sticker application for libraries

2007-09-17 Thread Alex UMX
If you dont mind some coding: - keep your stuff in pdse - write a small program to assign an alias to a member (I think pdse alias names can be up to 1024 bytes) - figure out a way to keep them in sync Hope it helps, Alex -- For

Re: Sticker application for libraries

2007-09-17 Thread Van Dalsen, Herbie
Miklos, I learned this very basic way of keeping track of things back in the early 90's ... Not that great, but... Jut below the jobcard he inserted the following : //*### //*### | MEMBER |DESCRIPTION|### //*### |

Re: WLC, WLM and all the rest: how optimize them ?

2007-09-17 Thread Kelman, Tom
I ask it as we have PI 1 for critical STCs,batch and all the rest (and in many cases by far 1). When cpu is capped, all things goes very slow (for instance deadlocks in DB2 increases, batch run forever, CICS tx increase elapsed time and so on) and I think it's not they want. We haven't a

Re: NEW Z/OS SMF RECORD LAYOUT.

2007-09-17 Thread Big Iron
Most z/OS SMF records are described in the publication z/OS System Management Facilities. Here is a link to the z/OS 1.8 version of that publication: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA2G271/CCONTENTS Bill On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:55:13 +0200, Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM

Re: Questions on ATTACHX's ETXR exit routine

2007-09-17 Thread Vic Petrone
Binyamin, Chris, I did some testing and more reading and discovered the following... a) The Extended Addressability Guide says that each workunit (TCB or SRB) has its own stack. From that I it appears that the IRB is sharing the stack with the orginating task. So, I won't be using the stack to

Re: Sticker application for libraries

2007-09-17 Thread Ed Gould
On Sep 17, 2007, at 8:25 AM, Chris Mason wrote: Ed I used to maintain a test/education environment for a number of classes, some of them for colleagues, and at one point I despaired of all the members in all the partitioned data sets for which I was responsible. Probably matters came to

Re: Tech Notes - Any body know about them or where they are hidden?

2007-09-17 Thread Aaron Walker
snip If the communications server people had not told me where their tech notes are, I would have never found them. And if you don't know the number (ID) of the tech note, good luck searching IBM's web pages for what you are looking for. And so I put this question out to see if anyone else knew

Re: Questions on ATTACHX's ETXR exit routine

2007-09-17 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:33:56 -0500 Vic Petrone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :I did some testing and more reading and discovered the following... :a) The Extended Addressability Guide says that each workunit (TCB or SRB) :has its own stack. From that I it appears that the IRB is sharing the stack

Re: Sheepish answer to Gil's question (was: How to RECALL/RECOVER a Dataset [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2007-09-17 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:11:06 +1000, Fenner, Jim wrote: - (i) conditionally HDELETE unwanted datasets if they are migrated; this avoids recalling them if the only thing we are going to do is delete them before we reallocate them; We encourage people to use the rexx instead of IEFBR14 deletes -

IMS V6-V8 migration?

2007-09-17 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
I've got a temporary gig to migrate from IMS V6 to IMS V8, with a later migration to V9. It appears that I can't use the V8 SVC routines for IMS V6; are there any other coexistence or migration issues that I should be aware of? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO

Re: CA to IBM product swap

2007-09-17 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:55:13 +, Norman Hollander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And what happens when another vendor offers a $1.50 less to go to their solutions? Then you switch back. ;-) There are actually a lot of companies that seem to work that way. That's what happens when bean

Re: Sticker application for libraries

2007-09-17 Thread Rick Fochtman
--snip- I'm searching for an application which can add or maintain extra info's about different JCL, PROC etc. librariry conetnt The 8 bytes member name is not enough in many cases. To see example that the XYZ member is the daily backup job for xyz

Re: Questions on ATTACHX's ETXR exit routine

2007-09-17 Thread Vic Petrone
:a) The Extended Addressability Guide says that each workunit (TCB or SRB) :has its own stack. From that I it appears that the IRB is sharing the stack :with the orginating task. So, I won't be using the stack to save the state in :the exit. Hence the second question on the size of the save area

Re: Check it out - AMATERSE, supported TERSE

2007-09-17 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 06:43:41 -0500, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Support for PDSEs apparently has been added, as well. Current version(s) of TRSMAIN already support PDSE. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance

JAVA un z/OS

2007-09-17 Thread Gary Green
Does anyone have any tuning/performance references/links for Java under z/OS? Some tentative footsteps were taken to develop Java apps to run under USS and the Hello World app sucked down 30% of the CPU during the time the app was running. :( So, I gotta prepare for the onslaught when things

Re: NEW Z/OS SMF RECORD LAYOUT.

2007-09-17 Thread Rick Fochtman
--snip- Hi Mainframers!! I need the new record layout of SMF from Z/OS someone knows how can i get it or sends to me? Thanks! Best RegardS! Marcos Rodrigues. Which new layout are you talking about? The layout can change with each z/OS

Re: Tech Notes - Any body know about them or where they are hidden?

2007-09-17 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Walker Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 9:39 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Tech Notes - Any body know about them or where they are hidden? snip If the communications server

Re: WLC, WLM and all the rest: how optimize them ?

2007-09-17 Thread Greg Shirey
Max, Do you have any resource groups defined? This is the WLM tool to limit processor capacity for a group of work. It is discussed in Chapter 7 of the MVS Planning: Workload Management book. The more work you can throw into a service class with an associated resource group, the less likely

Re: NEW Z/OS SMF RECORD LAYOUT.

2007-09-17 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:02 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: NEW Z/OS SMF RECORD LAYOUT. Hi Mainframers!! I need the new record layout of SMF from

Re: Tech Notes - Any body know about them or where they are hidden?

2007-09-17 Thread Jon Brock
I wouldn't mind so much using the search function at ibm.com if: a) You could get it to work without timing out most of the time; b) You could filter the results better; c) When you click on a search result link, you could actually get the page referenced most of the time rather than the Link not

Re: IMS V6-V8 migration?

2007-09-17 Thread Eric Bielefeld
Congradulations on the new job. Its always good to see people on the list finding a job again. Sorry, I can't help you with IMS migrations. Eric Bielefeld Sr. z/OS Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) [EMAIL

Re: IMS V6-V8 migration?

2007-09-17 Thread Itschak Mugzach
Hello Shmuel, Other then the IMS planning guide, you may ask at IMS Data Base Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] I went all versions one by one, so I did' nt pay attention to gap analysis. Shana Tova and Gmar Hatima Tova, Itschak -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion

Re: JAVA un z/OS

2007-09-17 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Green Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:01 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: JAVA un z/OS Does anyone have any tuning/performance references/links for Java under z/OS? Some tentative

Re: JAVA un z/OS

2007-09-17 Thread Steve Comstock
Gary Green wrote: Does anyone have any tuning/performance references/links for Java under z/OS? Some tentative footsteps were taken to develop Java apps to run under USS and the Hello World app sucked down 30% of the CPU during the time the app was running. :( So, I gotta prepare for the

Re: CA to IBM product swap

2007-09-17 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Zelden) writes: Then you switch back. ;-) There are actually a lot of companies that seem to work that way. That's what happens when bean counters make the decisions and don't consider the human aspects (time, training etc.) this is related to the original

Re: DASDs Extents in DB2 world

2007-09-17 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/13/2007 at 12:56 PM, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Ad 1. Yes, VTOC space depends on extents! But this is weak dependence, that means 1-3 extents occupy one VTOC block, next extents if available occupy another VTOC block. In other words 100+ extents dataset occupy

Re: DASDs Extents in DB2 world

2007-09-17 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/13/2007 at 10:43 PM, Johnny Luo [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Does that mean all data sets in z/os will consist of complete tracks? Unless you consider a member or a VTOC to be a data set. But I'm not sure because I once read from the manual about VTOC: A VTOC consists

Re: CA to IBM product swap

2007-09-17 Thread JE Thinnes
Thank you for?the responses so far (via list and private email). For clarification, this proposal was made to management.? There is a pile of $$ on one side saying make the swap.? I am?trying to validate the proposal?technically (functionality, ease of use, performace, resource demand...).?

Re: Free ECSA Area

2007-09-17 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/06/2007 at 07:23 PM, Joao Paulo PR [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I need to Know, how can i free ECSA area used by Address Space, that was canceled by CANCEL command ? With fear and trembling. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Running ICSF with NO Crypto Features?

2007-09-17 Thread Chase, John
Hi, All, Seeking comments on the (non-)advisability and implications of running Integrated Cryptographic Services Facility (ICSF) on a z9 that has NONE of the crypto assist features enabled or installed (don't ask; not even the free one(s)). TIA, -jc-

Re: Sticker application for libraries

2007-09-17 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Yes, I'm searching for an automated way, to store some change history info, add this stciker manually or automatically etc etc. I had a +10 year old ISPF application which had an ISPF table for every library , and in the table there was a description line for every member etc. I thought

Re: Running ICSF with NO Crypto Features?

2007-09-17 Thread Mark Jacobs
Chase, John wrote: Hi, All, Seeking comments on the (non-)advisability and implications of running Integrated Cryptographic Services Facility (ICSF) on a z9 that has NONE of the crypto assist features enabled or installed (don't ask; not even the free one(s)). TIA, -jc-

Re: Running ICSF with NO Crypto Features?

2007-09-17 Thread Schramm, Rob
I guess for starters.. I would ask why you want to run ICSF.. is there something you want to take advantage of?? -Rob This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail

Re: JAVA un z/OS

2007-09-17 Thread Schramm, Rob
Gary, In addition to the redbook, you might consider posting this on the MVS-OE list. There are some pretty good people lurking that have JAVA on z/OS experience. -Rob Schramm This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended only for

Re: JAVA un z/OS

2007-09-17 Thread Gary Green
Thanks Steve I'll head there and look for the PDF. On Mon Sep 17 9:50 , Steve Comstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Gary Green wrote: Does anyone have any tuning/performance references/links for Java under z/OS? Some tentative footsteps were taken to develop Java apps to run under USS

Re: JAVA un z/OS

2007-09-17 Thread Gary Green
For the man that has a hammer, everything looks like a nail... IBMMain is my hammer. :( Thanks, I completely forgot about that group, even though I subscribe! It's that CRS I mentioned in a prior posting. On Mon Sep 17 12:35 , 'Schramm, Rob' [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Gary, In addition to

Re: Response to Peter Relson

2007-09-17 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:28:07 -0500, Rick Fochtman wrote: I can only say THANK YOU to ALL the IBM'ers who are involved, however peripherally, in our discussions here. And ditto to all the other manufacturers' representatives who offer their help and advice here. I'd like to take this opportunity

Re: Sticker application for libraries

2007-09-17 Thread Dave Salt
From: Miklos Szigetvari [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, I'm searching for an automated way, to store some change history info, add this stciker manually or automatically etc Hi Miklos, Could you perhaps set up an initial edit macro so that whenever a member is edited the macro would automatically

Re: Running ICSF with NO Crypto Features?

2007-09-17 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Jacobs Will it even start? If so does it do anything? Well, as I read the manual, apparently it will start. If it finds no crypto-assist features, it will apparently do whatever it does in software (and

Re: Running ICSF with NO Crypto Features?

2007-09-17 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Schramm, Rob I guess for starters.. I would ask why you want to run ICSF.. is there something you want to take advantage of?? The CICS Internet Guide implies that it is required for CICS to support https (secure

Re: DADSM error

2007-09-17 Thread Staller, Allan
The 470C in error status seems to be perm IO error reading or writing a DSCB. Is your VTOC full? snip DSNJ103I -DB71 DSNJDS01 LOG ALLOCATION ERROR 761 DSNAME=DSN71.ARCHLOG1.B0001449, ERROR STATUS=470C107F, SMS REASON CODE= DSNJ115I -DB71 OFFLOAD FAILED, COULD NOT ALLOCATE AN

Re: My turn to gripE about ServiceLink

2007-09-17 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:09:10 -0700, Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... When the new system proved it couldn't handle the real world, IBM should have immediately come up with a different plan while letting customers continue using the 3270 interface. Huh?? This is the 21st-century

Re: CA to IBM product swap

2007-09-17 Thread Timothy Sipples
Mark Zelden writes: That's what happens when bean counters make the decisions and don't consider the human aspects (time, training etc.) It's rare that I defend the bean counters, but I'd just like to point out that many good business cases do consider (and cost) time, training, and other such