Re: IGD17103I CATALOG ERROR WHILE DEFINING VSAM DATA SET

2010-11-11 Thread John Dawes
the abend because the DATACLASS has the volume count of 20 and there were 56 volumes in this particular STORAGE GROUP POOL? --- On Thu, 11/11/10, Darth Keller darth.kel...@assurant.com wrote: From: Darth Keller darth.kel...@assurant.com Subject: Re: IGD17103I CATALOG ERROR WHILE DEFINING VSAM DATA

Re: IGD17103I CATALOG ERROR WHILE DEFINING VSAM DATA SET

2010-11-11 Thread Darth Keller
From: John Dawes jhn_da...@yahoo.com.au To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 11/11/2010 11:26 AM Subject:Re: IGD17103I CATALOG ERROR WHILE DEFINING VSAM DATA SET Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sorry, I'm at DR today - so I don't have the time

Re: IGD17103I CATALOG ERROR WHILE DEFINING VSAM DATA SET

2010-11-11 Thread John H Kington
] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 12:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: IGD17103I CATALOG ERROR WHILE DEFINING VSAM DATA SET I verified the DATACLAS construct. The volume count is 20. I am unable to confirm if the LISTCAT has a EXT-ADDR because the dsn has been deleted. Sorry, I

Re: IGD17103I CATALOG ERROR WHILE DEFINING VSAM DATA SET

2010-11-11 Thread Ron Hawkins
You can trawl SMF to see what attributes were assigned. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of John Dawes Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 9:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] IGD17103I CATALOG ERROR

IGD17103I CATALOG ERROR WHILE DEFINING VSAM DATA SET

2010-11-10 Thread John Dawes
G'Day,   I encountered the following abend when attempting to define a VSAM extended dsn.  The SMS routines (STORAGE CLASS, STORAGE GROUP DATACLASS) have been correctly defined.  I verified if the volumes(3390-3) were empty and all seem okay.   IGD17103I CATALOG ERROR WHILE DEFINING VSAM DATA

Re: IGD17103I CATALOG ERROR WHILE DEFINING VSAM DATA SET

2010-11-10 Thread Darth Keller
, I encountered the following abend when attempting to define a VSAM extended dsn. The SMS routines (STORAGE CLASS, STORAGE GROUP DATACLASS) have been correctly defined. I verified if the volumes(3390-3) were empty and all seem okay. IGD17103I CATALOG ERROR WHILE DEFINING VSAM DATA SET

Catalog Error - Definiting non-vsam dataset

2010-02-01 Thread Jacky Bright
IGD17102I CATALOG ERROR IN DEFINING NONVSAM DATA SET FCIS.ZZZ.ON.DCISMAS1.CCISCHZZ.P7.D100130 RETURN CODE IS 20 REASON CODE IS 0 IGG0CLEG IGD306I UNEXPECTED ERROR DURING IGG0CLEG PROCESSING RETURN CODE 20 REASON CODE 0 THE MODULE THAT DETECTED THE ERROR IS IGDVTSCU SMS MODULE TRACE BACK - VTSCU VTSCT

Re: Catalog Error - Definiting non-vsam dataset

2010-02-01 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
FCIS.ZZZ.ON.CCISCHZZ.P7.D100130 IEC332I PADD,NVSM,IDVR,CDVR,ACD1 IEC333I L028(041),08,CATALOG.TEST01.USER,FCIS.ZZZ.ON.CCISCHZZ.P7.D100130 IGD17102I CATALOG ERROR IN DEFINING NONVSAM DATA SET FCIS.ZZZ.ON.DCISMAS1.CCISCHZZ.P7.D100130 RETURN CODE IS 20 REASON CODE IS 0 IGG0CLEG IGD306I UNEXPECTED

Re: Catalog Error - Can't delete dataset

2008-08-25 Thread Staller, Allan
them up. This one is being stubborn. ALTER GROUP.PCLAIMS.LOA.TJJ49MIG.D2002262.T1439255 - NEWNAME(GROUP.PCLAIMS.LOA.JUNK) - CAT(ISV.SICF.USERCAT.VSYSP35) IDC3014I CATALOG ERROR IDC3009I ** VSAM CATALOG RETURN CODE IS 94 - REASON CODE IS IGG0CLRN-8 8 Explanation

Re: Catalog Error - Can't delete dataset

2008-08-25 Thread Jeffrey Deaver
4. For this one you need to leave the ver… as is. //SYSINDD * ZAP BCS(USERCAT.NAME) - DELETE(KEY(DATASET.NAME) - VER(04,C'A')) Well, I'd love to try the zap, but I don't have CatalogRecovery +. Bummer.

Re: Catalog Error - Can't delete dataset

2008-08-25 Thread Brian Peterson
I've had good luck with IBM's unsupported VVDSFIX tool, to delete an otherwise un-delete-able data set. The VVDSFIX tool's DELBCSR command did the trick for me. //*DELBCSR - DELETE BCS RECORD will erase a BCS record.** //* The purpose of this command is to erase a catalog

Re: Catalog Error - Can't delete dataset

2008-08-25 Thread Jeffrey Deaver
I've had good luck with IBM's unsupported VVDSFIX tool, to delete an otherwise un-delete-able data set. The VVDSFIX tool's DELBCSR command did the trick for me. SHAZAM! It worked. Thanks! Jeffrey Deaver, Engineer Systems Engineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] 651-665-4231(v) IS - Creating competitive

Re: Catalog Error - Can't delete dataset

2008-08-25 Thread Itschak Mugzach
Why don't you just zap the VTOC entry for this dataset to PS? The catalog structure is much simpler then and bypasses VVDS. You should be familiar with VTOP dump, zap and format-x DSCBs. Don't try it at home if you are not familiar with it! If you have CA-Disk, you can use a utility to this for

Catalog Error - Can't delete dataset

2008-08-22 Thread Jeffrey Deaver
I can't delete a dataset which is cataloged, but no longer physically exists. I've tried every trick I can think of to delete the catalog entry, nothing is working. Ideas? Ran a Diag on the catalog, got this... IDC21364I ERROR DETECTED BY DIAGNOSE: ICFCAT ENTRY:

Re: Catalog Error - Can't delete dataset

2008-08-22 Thread Don Holstein
Have you tried delete noscratch. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Deaver Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 4:05 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Catalog Error - Can't delete dataset I can't delete a dataset which

Re: Catalog Error - Can't delete dataset

2008-08-22 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Did you try: Idcams Delete dataset.name NSCR From: Jeffrey Deaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 8/22/2008 4:05 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Catalog Error - Can't delete dataset I can't delete a dataset which is cataloged, but no longer physically

Re: Catalog Error - Can't delete dataset

2008-08-22 Thread Jeffrey Deaver
IDC3014I CATALOG ERROR IDC3009I ** VSAM CATALOG RETURN CODE IS 90 - REASON CODE IS IGG0CLFO-54 IDC0551I ** ENTRY GROUP.PCLAIMS.LOA.TJJ49MIG.D2002262.T1439255 NOT IDC0551I DELETED IDC0001I FUNCTION COMPLETED, HIGHEST CONDITION CODE WAS 8 IDC0002I IDCAMS PROCESSING COMPLETE. MAXIMUM CONDITION CODE

Re: Catalog Error - Can't delete dataset

2008-08-22 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
How can you PURGE a non-existant dataset? From: Jeffrey Deaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 8/22/2008 4:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Catalog Error - Can't delete dataset Have you tried delete noscratch. Yep. Got this... IDCAMS SYSTEM

Re: Catalog Error - Can't delete dataset

2008-08-22 Thread Johnston, Robert E
with the | IDCAMS ALTER command and then delete it. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Deaver Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 3:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Catalog Error - Can't delete dataset Have you

Re: Catalog Error - Can't delete dataset

2008-08-22 Thread Linda Mooney
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Deaver Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 3:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Catalog Error - Can't delete dataset Have you tried delete noscratch. Yep. Got this... IDCAMS SYSTEM SERVICES TIME: 15 DELETE

Re: Catalog Error - Can't delete dataset

2008-08-22 Thread Jeffrey Deaver
Had to go to 1.9 manual to find 90-54. Does this make any sense to you? | 54 Explanation: DELETE failed because the data set is being renamed but it has not completed. | Programmer Response: Rename the data set with the |

Re: Catalog Error - Can't delete dataset

2008-08-22 Thread Jeffrey Deaver
How can you PURGE a non-existant dataset? Tried it both ways. I get the same result without the PURGE. Jeffrey Deaver, Engineer Systems Engineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] 651-665-4231(v) IS - Creating competitive advantage with technology. Providing service that excels. OSS - Where Innovation

Re: Catalog Error - Can't delete dataset

2008-08-22 Thread Jeffrey Deaver
is being stubborn. ALTER GROUP.PCLAIMS.LOA.TJJ49MIG.D2002262.T1439255 - NEWNAME(GROUP.PCLAIMS.LOA.JUNK) - CAT(ISV.SICF.USERCAT.VSYSP35) IDC3014I CATALOG ERROR IDC3009I ** VSAM CATALOG RETURN CODE IS 94 - REASON CODE IS IGG0CLRN-8 8 Explanation: OBTAIN did not find

Re: Catalog Error - Can't delete dataset

2008-08-22 Thread Arturo
Jeffrey, here are a few of the parameters that I have tried and have gotten the file deleted. Since, you didn’t post the commands that you’ve used. I figure that I send you what has worked for me in the pass. Hope this helps. Just review the parms in manual before using to make sure that we’ll

Re: CATALOG ERROR

2007-12-04 Thread Rob Scott
Of esmie moo Sent: 04 December 2007 15:26 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: CATALOG ERROR Good Day Gentle Readers, I am trying to define a user catalog and I am unsuccessful. The error message (please see below) points to a Security problem. I checked with Security and they say

Re: CATALOG ERROR

2007-12-04 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of esmie moo Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: CATALOG ERROR Good Day Gentle Readers, I am trying to define a user catalog and I am

CATALOG ERROR

2007-12-04 Thread esmie moo
)) IDC3014I CATALOG ERROR IDC3009I ** VSAM CATALOG RETURN CODE IS 186 - REASON CODE IS IGG0CLFT-2 IDC3003I FUNCTION TERMINATED. CONDITION CODE IS 12

Re: CATALOG ERROR

2007-12-04 Thread Larry Crilley
– Analysis for Legato in an easy to view format -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of esmie moo Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: CATALOG ERROR Good Day Gentle Readers, I am trying

Re: CATALOG ERROR

2007-12-04 Thread esmie moo
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of esmie moo Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: CATALOG ERROR Good Day Gentle Readers, I am trying to define a user catalog and I am unsuccessful. The error message (please see below) points to a Security problem. I checked with Security

Re: CATALOG ERROR

2007-12-04 Thread Ted MacNEIL
The reason I used the LOCK to prevent updates to this CATALOG because it is shared. That's not the purpose of LOCK. It's for recovery/operational purposes, IIRC. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe /

Re: CATALOG ERROR

2007-01-17 Thread esmie moo
then the dataset would not be able to roll in. Esmie, how many catalog entries exist under the base gdg name? Just do a 3.4 display under ispf. From: John Kington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 1/16/2007 8:36 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CATALOG ERROR

Re: CATALOG ERROR

2007-01-17 Thread esmie moo
John, I did a listcat of the GDG base and it has a limit of 40 with SCRATCH and NOEMPTY parms. John Kington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have noscratch specified in the GDG define? It should be scratch to have the oldest gdg automatically roll off to allow the next generation to be

Re: CATALOG ERROR

2007-01-17 Thread esmie moo
The dsn is created on dasd and SMS managed. I checked the disk status and it is always online. The job creates the dsn in the SMS pool which has 23 dasds in that storage pool. John Kington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keeping with top posting: Esmie, Do you recall whether the oldest generation

Re: CATALOG ERROR

2007-01-17 Thread esmie moo
Reynalodo, The management class is NOMIGRATE. The user didn't want the dsns migrated because he views them daily to compile reports. Also, a new gdg is created daily. reynaldo nobre muntoreanu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Esmie If the dataset is under control of DFSMSHSM, check the

Re: CATALOG ERROR

2007-01-17 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Esmie, If I were you, I would open an ETR with IBM. At this point you are being pulled in several directions by well meaning persons on this list. The inability to catalog a new generation of a GDG has nothing to do with whether a dataset has been migrated or not. Check with IBM. They wrote

Re: CATALOG ERROR

2007-01-17 Thread John Kington
Esmie, I recommend you check the dasd volume(s) to make sure the dataset that you deleted using noscratch is not still there. I am out of ideas. If no one else figures it out, you could search ibmlink or open a problem with IBM for assistance. Sorry, John esmie moo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The

Re: CATALOG ERROR

2007-01-16 Thread esmie moo
Thanks John. Yes, I noticed that the catalog entry was present. I then scratched the entry (del noscr). But I cannot understand why this happened. I checked the syslog but found nothing that would indicate any type of a problem. Any other suggestions? John Kington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: CATALOG ERROR

2007-01-16 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
-10 SCRATCH NOEMPTY From: esmie moo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 1/16/2007 7:11 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CATALOG ERROR Thanks John. Yes, I noticed that the catalog entry was present. I then scratched the entry (del noscr

Re: CATALOG ERROR

2007-01-16 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 1/16/2007 7:11 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CATALOG ERROR Thanks John. Yes, I noticed that the catalog entry was present. I then scratched the entry (del noscr). But I cannot understand why this happened. I checked the syslog but found nothing

Re: CATALOG ERROR

2007-01-16 Thread reynaldo nobre muntoreanu
Esmie If the dataset is under control of DFSMSHSM, check the values for the attributes GDS defined in MGMTCLAS. Verify itself trials involved without the duty permission exist RACF, of access update upon I cataloguing. RMUNTOR 2007/1/16, esmie moo [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thanks John. Yes, I

Re: CATALOG ERROR

2007-01-16 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 07:37:25 -0500, O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] wrote: Do you have noscratch specified in the GDG define? It should be scratch to have the oldest gdg automatically roll off to allow the next generation to be catalogued. The oldest GDS will roll off regardless of SCRATCH.

Re: CATALOG ERROR

2007-01-16 Thread John Kington
Keeping with top posting: Esmie, Do you recall whether the oldest generation was on dasd or tape? The scratch error indicates that it was dasd and the volume was not online. Maybe you reclaimed a dasd volume or have a dasd volume offline? Regards, John Thanks John. Yes, I noticed that the

Re: CATALOG ERROR

2007-01-16 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Thanks Tom, I mis-spoke. Dave From: Tom Marchant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 1/16/2007 8:19 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CATALOG ERROR On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 07:37:25 -0500, O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] wrote: Do you have noscratch

Re: CATALOG ERROR

2007-01-16 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
/16/2007 8:36 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CATALOG ERROR Do you have noscratch specified in the GDG define? It should be scratch to have the oldest gdg automatically roll off to allow the next generation to be catalogued. The listcat should look as follows: ATTRIBUTES LIMIT

CATALOG ERROR

2007-01-15 Thread esmie moo
My job put out the following error: IEC331I 042-006(04280039),JS3BATCH,SOFVMA05,SCRT,IGG0CLH0 IEC331I VOL,INST49,NAME,DATAALL.REND.PC5.PROD.VMAXTD.G0553V00 IEC331I 050-092(0484,INST49),SOFVMA05,XTRACT,VALO,IGG0CLE3 IGD07001I GDG ROLL IN ERROR - RETURN CODE 50 REASON

Re: CATALOG ERROR

2007-01-15 Thread John Kington
My job put out the following error: IEC331I 042-006(04280039),JS3BATCH,SOFVMA05,SCRT,IGG0CLH0 IEC331I VOL,INST49,NAME,DATAALL.REND.PC5.PROD.VMAXTD.G0553V00 IEC331I 050-092(0484,INST49),SOFVMA05,XTRACT,VALO,IGG0CLE3 IGD07001I GDG ROLL IN ERROR - RETURN CODE 50 REASON CODE 0 MODULE

CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS

2006-09-18 Thread willie bunter
Good Day, I encountered the following error while I was attempting to define the VVDS on a 3390-9 disk which is SMS managed: IDC3014I CATALOG ERROR IDC3009I ** VSAM CATALOG RETURN CODE IS 50 - REASON CODE IS IGG0CLE3-8 IDC3003I

Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS

2006-09-18 Thread Richards.Bob
Add the DEFINE of the VVDS as the 2nd step of your INIT jcl. Bob Richards -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of willie bunter Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 8:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: CATALOG ERROR - Defining

Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS

2006-09-18 Thread Richards.Bob
Of Richards.Bob Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 8:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS Add the DEFINE of the VVDS as the 2nd step of your INIT jcl. Bob Richards -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf

Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS

2006-09-18 Thread willie bunter
Could the problem have been caused because a VSAM dsn was allocated on that volume as soon as I put it ONLINE? Richards.Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oops, I forgot. I do this in REXX and issue a Vary online from within that code and then do the define VVDS. You may want to bring the volume

Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS

2006-09-18 Thread Dave
Yes. On an SMS volume if there is no VVDS and SMS wishes to put a dsn on the volume (that is empty...) SMS will put a VVDS on the volume for you - albeit a tiny VVDS -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS

2006-09-18 Thread Greg Shirey
Yes, the first time a data set gets placed on an SMS-managed volume, a VVDS will be created if one does not already exist. (This is true whether the data set is VSAM or not.) Regards, Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Company -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS

2006-09-18 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 09:19:35 -0400, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. On an SMS volume if there is no VVDS and SMS wishes to put a dsn on the volume (that is empty...) SMS will put a VVDS on the volume for you - albeit a tiny VVDS Tiny? It's been quite a while since I was doing dasd

Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS

2006-09-18 Thread Friske, Michael
Of willie bunter Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 7:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS Good Day, I encountered the following error while I was attempting to define the VVDS on a 3390-9 disk which is SMS managed: IDC3014I CATALOG ERROR IDC3009I

Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS

2006-09-18 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Yes, the first time a data set gets placed on an SMS-managed volume, a VVDS will be created if one does not already exist. (This is true whether the data set is VSAM or not.) The equivalent of SPACE=(TRK,(4,4)) is used. This doesn't get you much on large packs. When in doubt. PANIC!!

Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS

2006-09-18 Thread Ted MacNEIL
You can change it with F CATALOG,VVDSSPACE(pri,sec). This must be done at every IPL of the system. If not, it goes back to the default. That's why I prefer it to be part of initialising DASD. When in doubt. PANIC!! -- For

Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS

2006-09-18 Thread Greg Shirey
According to the z/OS V1R7.0 Managing Catalogs manual: Explicitly defining a VVDS is usually appropriate when you are initializing a new volume. If you are not running SMS, and a volume already contains some non-VSAM data sets, it is appropriate to allow the VVDS to be defined implicitly with the

Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS

2006-09-18 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:12:15 +, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The equivalent of SPACE=(TRK,(4,4)) is used. Ancient history! Tracks(10 10) It's been so long since it was (4 4). I don't even remember when the default changed. I want to say that it's about the time SMS first became

Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS

2006-09-18 Thread Richards.Bob
bunter Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 10:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS Since the VVDS entry is there can I expand it? Or do I have to delete it and retry the allocation? LEGAL DISCLAIMER The information transmitted is intended solely

Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS

2006-09-18 Thread willie bunter
there that the defaults are not enough? Bob Richards -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of willie bunter Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 10:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS Since the VVDS entry

Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS

2006-09-18 Thread Richards.Bob
@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS The user is not sure. I checked and the VVDS is at 10 trks (default?). How many VSAMS dsns can this accomodate? Richards.Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Willie, DO NOT DELETE THAT VVDS unless you can empty that volume! Besides, how many VSAM

Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS

2006-09-18 Thread willie bunter
Of willie bunter Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 11:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS The user is not sure. I checked and the VVDS is at 10 trks (default?). How many VSAMS dsns can this accomodate? Richards.Bob wrote: Willie, DO NOT DELETE THAT VVDS unless

Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS

2006-09-18 Thread Richards.Bob
than a pound of problem resolution. Bob Richards -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of willie bunter Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 11:34 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS Bad news

Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS

2006-09-18 Thread Richards.Bob
and leave to you young-uns to answer! Bob Richards -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 11:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS Snippage Stop

Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS

2006-09-18 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Willie, CI size for the VVDS is 4096. For 10 trks that computes to 120 CIs in the VVDS. For a SMS managed volume each file will require the following # of bytes: KSDS 530 ESDS 370 Linear 340 Non-VSAM 100 I suspect you're not going to have a problem. Worst case

Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS

2006-09-18 Thread Tom Marchant
young-uns to answer! Bob Richards -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 11:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS Snippage Stop thinking only of VSAM

Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS

2006-09-18 Thread willie bunter
David, I can live with that (vvds in extents). It is a user test volume. I will have to examine the process of allocating a vvds in the same job as the initialize of the volume. This would save a lot of headaches. Thanks for the reassurance and advice from all. O'Brien, David

Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS

2006-09-18 Thread Ted MacNEIL
It's been so long since it was (4 4). I don't even remember when the default changed. I want to say that it's about the time SMS first became available. I never saw the update, but even (10 10) is too small on larger volumes. When in doubt. PANIC!!

Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS

2006-09-18 Thread willie bunter
Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 11:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS Snippage Stop thinking only of VSAM! On an SMS managed volume, ALL data sets have an entry in the VVDS

Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS

2006-09-18 Thread willie bunter
, 2006 11:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS Snippage Stop thinking only of VSAM! On an SMS managed volume, ALL data sets have an entry in the VVDS. The default allocation is 10 tracks primary and 10 tracks secondary. You need to RTFB in Managing catalogs

Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS

2006-09-18 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:01:06 +, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's been so long since it was (4 4). I don't even remember when the default changed. I want to say that it's about the time SMS first became available. I never saw the update, but even (10 10) is too small on larger

Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS

2006-09-18 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 09:04:01 -0700, willie bunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not sure what RTFB. However, how do I go about doing it... Read the fine book. Some people use RTFM (Manual). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe /

Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS

2006-09-18 Thread Richards.Bob
, yes, Willie needs to read more...as we all do. Bob Richards -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 11:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS Sorry

Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS

2006-09-18 Thread Richards.Bob
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of willie bunter Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 11:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS David, I can live with that (vvds in extents). It is a user test

Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS

2006-09-18 Thread Darth Keller
Now there's a timely question! For the record, I have used CYL(5,1) for the last 15 years. I may need to consider upping that for Mod-27s and -54s. What are others using these days on the large volumes? We're going through a bid process for new DASD right now. We'll be moving from 3 Sun V2X's

Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS

2006-09-18 Thread Bruce Black
So with the default of TRK(10,10), the VVDS goes into secondary extents on a volume with a lot of VSAM (the volume size is irrelevant, only the numer of clusters). The VVDS can go to 123 extents, and there is no problem if it does so. There is no performance hit or other problems. So the

Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS

2006-09-18 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I can live with that (vvds in extents). It is a user test volume. I do not have exclusive ownership of that canine. But, I would have one canned job that inits all general storage volumes the same. Putting all the VTOC, VTOCIX, VVDS (and CATALOGUE if it exists) at the front with a standard

Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS

2006-09-18 Thread Ted MacNEIL
For the record, I am no spring chicken either. I have hit the 50+ age bracket, needless to say not only the gray cells are graying. The only people in IT, that I work with, that are even close to my age, are the mainframers. I'm old enough to be the father of the IT people responsible for the

Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS

2006-09-18 Thread Richards.Bob
Of Darth Keller Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 2:02 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CATALOG ERROR - Defining VVDS Now there's a timely question! For the record, I have used CYL(5,1) for the last 15 years. I may need to consider upping that for Mod-27s and -54s. What are others using