In m3obqemtv0@garlic.com, on 04/26/2012
at 10:48 AM, Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com said:
page transfers/io is done with channel programs which have real
addresses.
On most machines in the family, but DOS/VSE running with ECPS:VSE used
virtual addresses in channel programs.
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On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:19:32 -0400 Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote:
:In 2aadp75utk3rndje61uiscu5ocln0lt...@4ax.com, on 04/24/2012
: at 04:23 PM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com said:
:If the invalid page can be paged-in, in what way is it invalid?
:The
In d5php7p6gadkvajvc7aqj71l5ur517p...@4ax.com, on 04/26/2012
at 09:01 AM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com said:
Its invalid because its invalid. Got it. Thanks.
This is a case where I prefer the Burroughs notation; they called the
equivalent flag the presence bit, which is more
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes:
This is a case where I prefer the Burroughs notation; they called the
equivalent flag the presence bit, which is more neutral.
page transfers/io is done with channel programs which have real
addresses.
virtual memory has segment
On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:03:24 -0700, Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com
wrote:
. . .
I once saw an 0C5 in an MVS guest running under VM. Turned out to be a bug in
VM.
The last time I saw an 0C5 was on a LURA instruction, but I am sufficiently
ancient that I can recall the time when they
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:03:24 -0700, Edward Jaffe
In
CAArMM9Rgbww-g1LRnqXkKL44H=s9e9vsg-0b+a+o-os0rkj...@mail.gmail.com,
on 04/24/2012
at 02:57 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net said:
However exceptions that occur because of low storage or page
protection are certainly protection exceptions,
Indeed, as are access-list violations.
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In 2aadp75utk3rndje61uiscu5ocln0lt...@4ax.com, on 04/24/2012
at 04:23 PM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com said:
If the invalid page can be paged-in, in what way is it invalid?
The page-invalid bit is one, per PoOps.
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ISO
In
77142d37c0c3c34da0d7b1da7d7ca3495...@nwt-s-mbx1.rocketsoftware.com,
on 04/24/2012
at 03:02 PM, Bill Fairchild bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com said:
There is another very common way for a massive number of S0C4s to be
generated and instantly resolved, which I have often seen in System
In oiddp7t76842onvoct9tjcfvj2qkhh0...@4ax.com, on 04/24/2012
at 05:21 PM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com said:
But I would suggest that most references to invalid pages do not
cause an 0C4.
Nor did I suggest that most would.
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In 002101cd1f3b$43f7b090$cbe711b0$@net, on 04/20/2012
at 05:19 PM, Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net said:
A S0C4 reason code 4 means the storage key and the PSW key don't
match
Only if you're still running OS/360; otherwise 0C4 is seriously
overloaded.
Does it matter what the PSW key
In
caarmm9t_+dh5ijesv1rj9fjr3ct5t0axsoazzkqnqiuxczq...@mail.gmail.com,
on 04/20/2012
at 06:54 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net said:
There are other possible reasons for an 0C4-04 abend, but 0C4-04 is
always a protection exception of some sort.
I wouldn't call invalid page and invalid
On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:58:12 -0400 Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote:
:In 002101cd1f3b$43f7b090$cbe711b0$@net, on 04/20/2012
: at 05:19 PM, Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net said:
:A S0C4 reason code 4 means the storage key and the PSW key don't
:match
:Only if
On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:01:11 -0400 Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote:
:In
:caarmm9t_+dh5ijesv1rj9fjr3ct5t0axsoazzkqnqiuxczq...@mail.gmail.com,
:on 04/20/2012
: at 06:54 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net said:
:There are other possible reasons for an 0C4-04 abend, but
: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of
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Subject: Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas
If the invalid page can be paged-in, in what way is it invalid
On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:23:50 +0300, Binyamin Dissen wrote:
If the invalid page can be paged-in, in what way is it invalid?
Bit 53 of a page table entry is the Page-invalid bit. If it is set in
the page table entry that is used to reference a location in
storage, a Page-translation exception,
On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:15:05 -0500 Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com
wrote:
:On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:23:50 +0300, Binyamin Dissen wrote:
:If the invalid page can be paged-in, in what way is it invalid?
:Bit 53 of a page table entry is the Page-invalid bit. If it is set in
:the page table
On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:21:24 +0300, Binyamin Dissen
bdis...@dissensoftware.com wrote:
On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:15:05 -0500 Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com
wrote:
:It is more common for these exceptions to be resolved and the
:instruction retried than it is for the access to result in a S0C4
, 2012 9:40 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas
On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:21:24 +0300, Binyamin Dissen
bdis...@dissensoftware.com wrote:
On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:15:05 -0500 Tom Marchant
m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com
wrote:
:It is more common
code 4 and related data areas
:
:On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:21:24 +0300, Binyamin Dissen
bdis...@dissensoftware.com wrote:
:
:On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:15:05 -0500 Tom Marchant
:m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com
:wrote:
:
::It is more common for these exceptions to be resolved and the
::instruction retried than
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Subject: Re: Explination of S0C4 reason code 4 and related data areas
They are not - 0C4's - they are pic-10/11/3E/etc.
S0C4 is when the supervisor says that it cannot resolve the fault.
On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:02:10 + Bill Fairchild
bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com wrote:
:There is another
On 23 April 2012 17:01, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote:
on 04/20/2012 at 06:54 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net said:
There are other possible reasons for an 0C4-04 abend, but 0C4-04 is
always a protection exception of some sort.
I wouldn't call invalid page and
On 4/24/2012 8:23 AM, Binyamin Dissen wrote:
They are not - 0C4's - they are pic-10/11/3E/etc.
I once saw an 0C5 in an MVS guest running under VM. Turned out to be a bug in
VM.
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On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 17:19:25 -0400 Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net
wrote:
:Was wondering If someone could clear up some things for me
:A S0C4 reason code 4 means the storage key and the PSW key don't match
:typically trying to access storage key 0 when the PSW key is key 8
Usually
Hi,
Was wondering If someone could clear up some things for me
A S0C4 reason code 4 means the storage key and the PSW key don't match
typically trying to access storage key 0 when the PSW key is key 8
Two questions arise from this
. Does it matter what the PSW key at the
The storage keys exceptions are determined during the process of executing
the specific instruction. The value of PSW key at any time prior to the
specific instruction being executed is not relevant.
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.netwrote:
Hi,
Was
On 20 April 2012 17:19, Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net wrote:
A S0C4 reason code 4 means the storage key and the PSW key don't match
There are other possible reasons for an 0C4-04 abend, but 0C4-04 is
always a protection exception of some sort.
typically trying to access storage key 0
l...@garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler) writes:
23jun69 unbundling announcement starting to charge for application
software, SE services, etc (made case that kernel/operating system was
still free). misc. past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#unbundle
another result of unbundling
In 132176.64681.yahoomail...@web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com, on
11/13/2011
at 02:11 PM, Ed Gould ps2...@yahoo.com said:
That was a little bit before my time. Is there a possibility you
could give a short paragraph or so on a stage 1 or (whatever it was
called became a system), please?
+ years ago.
Bill Fairchild
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Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 12:22 AM
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Subject: Re: Data Areas?
Thanks for the tip! I did pass along the IPCS command
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Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: Data Areas?
In 4ebdc2c1.3080...@valley.net, on 11/11/2011
at 07:50 PM, Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.net said:
When IBM first released the System 360, all software was made
available in source form, in addition
.
old Data Areas Manuals to be dropped ibm-main post from 2007 that
discusses OCO and OCO-wars. Tymshare had provided its online computer
conferencing to SHARE for free as VMSHARE starting in AUG76 ... and this
post references some of the OCO online discussions from the period:
http://www.garlic.com
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011o.html#33 Data Areas?
stage1 os/360 sysgen was a 40-100 card assembler (macro) program that
was assembled and produced possibly 1000-2000 cards as stage2. stage1
macros didn't generate any machine code ... it was all punch
statements that generated their own
In 6328682398048265.wa.steve.horeingmail@bama.ua.edu, on
11/11/2011
at 04:37 PM, Steve Horein steve.hor...@gmail.com said:
Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with the term OCO.
Unfortunately, I am :-(
Originally IBM distributed OS/360 in source form. They continued
providing source code for
Shmuel,
Promises broken. Yes indeed, at GUIDE we heard repeated promises and they were
all broken. The opposition was strong but the die had already been cast. The
IBMers who got up and stood up and promised are essentially all gone and cannot
be found. Either they were lied to by IBM or they
In 4ebdc2c1.3080...@valley.net, on 11/11/2011
at 07:50 PM, Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.net said:
When IBM first released the System 360, all software was made
available in source form, in addition to the normal distributions of
object or load module format.
For some programs it was
Hi Listers,
This isn't about missing Data Area manuals, but rather missing Data Area maps?
I'm interested in IOS Vector Table, whose address can be found in IOCOM. But
what next? I've searched all six volumes of MVS Data Areas manual for IOVT and
IOCIOVTP hoping to find Pointed
Data Areas manual for IOVT and
IOCIOVTP hoping to find Pointed to by:, but that turned up nothing. This is
only one example; I've found other areas that I've failed to find maps for.
Where else could/should I look?
Perhaps you've heard of OCO? :-)
If you download SHOWMVS (SHOWzOS) from file
Thanks Mark,
Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with the term OCO.
Using a portion of your IPLINFO exec as an example:
CVTIXAVL = C2d(Storage(D2x(CVT+124),4)) /* point to IOCM */
IOCIOVTP = C2d(Storage(D2x(CVTIXAVL+208),4)) /* pt to IOS Vect Tbl */
CDA =
OCO: Object Code Only. It means that not all of the control blocks are
externalized. (That means they are not documented).
Bob Shannon
Rocket Software
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I see. So while not impossible to make my own maps for reference, it
will/would be a tedious and time consuming effort. Thanks for the
explanation!
On Nov 11, 2011 5:07 PM, Bob Shannon bshan...@rocketsoftware.com wrote:
OCO: Object Code Only. It means that not all of the control blocks are
On 11/11/2011 5:37 PM, Steve Horein wrote:
Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with the term OCO. Like I
mentioned, IOVT/IOCIOVTP isn't the first address I've
encountered that once I got there, I didn't know exactly what
I was looking at! I do think the Data Area manuals are
extremely helpful by
On 11 November 2011 19:56, Steve Horein steve.hor...@gmail.com wrote:
I see. So while not impossible to make my own maps for reference, it
will/would be a tedious and time consuming effort. Thanks for the explanation!
It can be so, but it can also be educational and even at times, fun.
Thanks for the tip! I did pass along the IPCS command LISTEDT DETAIL to the
DASD guy the other day, but I'm not sure if that was a usable solution.
On Nov 11, 2011 9:41 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net wrote:
On 11 November 2011 19:56, Steve Horein steve.hor...@gmail.com wrote:
I see. So while
I am currently hunting for the data areas for z/OS 1.12. All I am able to find
as a .boo book stops at z/OS 1.12.
1) Are there data areas for z/OS 1.12?
2) If so, is IBM now forcing me to use the much more space consuming,
harder-to-read pdfs?
The softcopy dokumentation that came with our
Barbara - You can download the .boo pubs (including the 1.12 data areas) from
the IBM website http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/
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That took ages to appear (like several hours). In the meantime I have found
some old threads with links to something where I can download the .boo books
that IBM refuses to put into the pubcenter. The pubcenter has all other recent
(as in 1.13) docs.
Go figure.
Thanks, Barbara
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 02:59:34 -0500, Barbara Nitz wrote:
I am currently hunting for the data areas for z/OS 1.12. All I am able to find
as a .boo book stops at z/OS 1.12.
1) Are there data areas for z/OS 1.12?
Shelf http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/SHELVES/EZ2ZBK0K
Vol 1
Barbara - You can download the .boo pubs (including the 1.12 data areas) from
the IBM website http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/
I believe that is where I eventually found them, thanks, Bob. (Due to an old
post where you mentioned this.)
What's wrong with listserv? It takes forever
Try here:
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/Shelves/iea2bkb1
snip
I am currently hunting for the data areas for z/OS 1.12. All I am able
to find as a .boo book stops at z/OS 1.12.
1) Are there data areas for z/OS 1.12?
2) If so, is IBM now forcing me to use the much more
, 2010 7:59 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: MVS Data Areas Manuals
On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 07:40:17 -0800, George Fogg gf...@nwlink.com wrote:
I can't recall if we talked about this already, but does anyone know what
happened to the MVS Data Areas for z/OS 1.10 and z/OS 1.11 for
downloading?
I
I can't recall if we talked about this already, but does anyone know what
happened to the MVS Data Areas for z/OS 1.10 and z/OS 1.11 for downloading?
I can't find them with Softcopy Librarian on either the BookManager bookshelves
or the PDF extended bookshelves. However, I do see them in both
I can't recall if we talked about this already, but does anyone know what
happened to the MVS Data Areas for z/OS 1.10 and z/OS 1.11 for downloading?
I can't find them with Softcopy Librarian on either the BookManager
bookshelves
or the PDF extended bookshelves. However, I do see them
On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 07:40:17 -0800, George Fogg gf...@nwlink.com wrote:
I can't recall if we talked about this already, but does anyone know what
happened to the MVS Data Areas for z/OS 1.10 and z/OS 1.11 for downloading?
I can't find them with Softcopy Librarian on either the BookManager
Guys,
I know this was discussed, I've trawled though the archives, but I
didn't
spot what the answer to the question was.
I use Softcopy Librarian but I can't find the z/OS Data Areas for 1.10 on
either the .boo or .pdf bookshelves.
Have they been moved to a different shelf or renamed
but I can't find the z/OS Data Areas for 1.10 on
either the .boo or .pdf bookshelves.
Have they been moved to a different shelf or renamed or is the only place you
can get them on the online book manager site as HTML?
That's not much use as it's s slow and the format is poor.
Regards
On Fri, 2009-09-04 at 08:03 -0500, Ron MacRae wrote:
I use Softcopy Librarian but I can't find the z/OS Data Areas for 1.10 on
either the .boo or .pdf bookshelves.
I don't use Softcopy, but the pdfs are available here:
http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/r10pdf/
I download them
to download the books to my PC and read them offline at my
lesure. As of z/OS 1.10 I can't find any data areas manuals to download.
Ron.
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That's exactly what I don't want to use as it's slow and poorly formatted.
I want to be able to download the books to my PC and read them offline at my
lesure. As of z/OS 1.10 I can't find any data areas manuals to download.
Ron
Shane,
Thanks. I've downloaded the Data Areas manuals, but as you say
they're a) PDF and b) not indexed into Librarian/reader, although I guess I can
build an index too.
Perhaps someone in IBM, or anyone else in the know, can comment on -
Why the Data Areas stuff was dropped from
Ron,
Go to: http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/v1r10books.html
This brings up the z/OS Internet Library. Click 1.10 under z/OS Elements
and Features Publication (on the Book line)
In Search Titles, insert Data Areas. This will bring up Data Areas for
z/OS V1R10.
Select a book
Is there any significance to the fact that the Data Area volumes seem to
be the only ones without an IBM document number in the bottom right
corner?
-Original Message-
From: Leopold Strauss
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 6:57 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Data Areas for z/OS
Last year, I downloaded the IEHS and successfully ran it on my
Windows laptop as a stand-alone application. It's kinda big
(like 12MB), but it works. http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/iehs
Ed,
did you find books in eplcise plugin format, e.g. the z/OS library?
--
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Credit Suisse
Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) wrote:
Last year, I downloaded the IEHS and successfully ran it on my
Windows laptop as a stand-alone application. It's kinda big
(like 12MB), but it works. http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/iehs
Ed,
did you find books in eplcise plugin format, e.g. the z/OS
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:32:23 +0100, Barbara Nitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I wonder if an open-source .BOO reader has merit. As well as perhaps an
open-source writer.
I like that idea. But are you sure that IBM will disclose the .boo format? As
far as I know, it is proprietary!
Well, if IBM
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:41:35 -0600, Arthur Gutowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:32:23 +0100, Barbara Nitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I wonder if an open-source .BOO reader has merit. As well as perhaps an
open-source writer.
I like that idea. But are you sure that IBM will
Leo Smith wrote:
Why wouldn't you just use the z/VM V5R4 bookshelf?
Here's how to find it:
1) Go to the z/OS Internet library Web page (includes links to z/VM
and z/VSE manuals, too) at:
http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/
2) Once there, click on the Bookshelf titles
I'm wondering whether we need to hack together some helper scripts for
PDFs. I know this is a VAGUE wondering. Will repeat it on Twitter and see
if anyone bites in either forum. :-)
Martin Packer
Performance Consultant
IBM United Kingdom Ltd
+44-20-8832-5167
+44-7802-245-584
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Martin Packer wrote:
I'm wondering whether we need to hack together some helper scripts
for PDFs. I know this is a VAGUE wondering. Will repeat it on Twitter
and see if anyone bites in either forum. :-)
Better yet Martin, how about twisting some upper appendages to get some
sensible download
Yeah, I missed that you needed them locally. I was just responding
to being able to easily search the z/VM V5R4 manuals from the Internet.
Regarding download: For z/OS, at least, you can use Softcopy Librarian to
download
books/PDFs/bookshelves/bookshelf indexes.
See:
In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 12/01/2008
at 08:51 PM, Peter Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I would still appreciate your comments regarding PDF-only even if it
applies only to potential subsequent releases.
Please stick with BookManager unless and until you can supply something
else at least as
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on
12/02/2008
at 10:08 AM, Gibney, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I do wish IBM would get BookManager upgraded to work on Vista someday
soon.
I'd like Linux and OS/2 versions, non-Java.
--
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ISO position; see
Shmuel Metzwrote:
I do wish IBM would get BookManager upgraded to work on Vista someday
soon.
I'd like Linux and OS/2 versions, non-Java.
What he said - although I don't relish resurrecting my old OS/2
floppies yet again ... :eek:
A usable Linux (definitely __non-Java__) version would be
Thank you for your thoughts and comments.
Just to clarify: This discussion began with respect to the data areas
books, and was intended to be limited to those books. There is no thought
that I am aware of to change from having the z/OS manuals other than data
areas in both book and PDF format. So
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:25:04 +1000, Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[..]
Really, it shouldn't be this difficult to find the info we want/need.
Indeed. Isn't there some sort of 'minimum documentation' requirement? Since
we no longer have any hardcopy, we ought to have usable software. PDF just
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:45:52 -0600, Arthur Gutowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:25:04 +1000, Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[..]
Really, it shouldn't be this difficult to find the info we want/need.
Indeed. Isn't there some sort of 'minimum documentation' requirement? Since
There is no thought that I am aware of to change from having the z/OS
manuals other than data areas in both book and PDF format.
There are other IBM products besides z/OS that are already dropping
the .boo format for some of their books. I recently had the need to
get current books for DB2
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Subject: Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
Snipped
The only issue currently on the table is whether the data
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/02/2008
at 11:04 AM, Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
These days a big honkin' USB hard drive might be a better choice.
What's wrong with old fashioned DVD's?
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Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 4:17 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
Martin Packer wrote:
I'm wondering whether we need to hack together some helper scripts
for PDFs. I know this is a VAGUE
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Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 6:39 AM
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In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/02/2008
at 11:04 AM, Tom Marchant
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Thompson, Steve
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They can get scratched and become unreadable. Just had it happen. We had
an INSTALL DVD get a scratch on it, and it became a coaster. Mind you,
it was in a protection sleeve inside a thick cardboard media envelope.
Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) wrote:
There is no thought that I am aware of to change from having the z/OS
manuals other than data areas in both book and PDF format.
There are other IBM products besides z/OS that are already dropping
the .boo format for some of their books. I recently had
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:16:57 -0500, Peter Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thank you for your thoughts and comments.
Just to clarify: This discussion began with respect to the data areas
books, and was intended to be limited to those books.
Ok. That wasn't clear to me before, hence my comments
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:23:19 -0800, Edward Jaffe
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Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) wrote:
There is no thought that I am aware of to change from having the z/OS
manuals other than data areas in both book and PDF format.
There are other IBM products besides z/OS that are already
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On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:23:19 -0800, Edward Jaffe wrote:
Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) wrote:
There are other IBM products besides z/OS that are already dropping
the .boo format for some of their books. I
Chase, John wrote:
I hope so. The Library Centers are Java-based, and it takes a couple
of weeks just for the navigation frame to populate.
Information Centers are also Java based...
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Chase, John wrote:
I hope so. The Library Centers are Java-based, and it takes a
couple
of weeks just for the navigation frame to populate.
Information Centers are also Java based...
Hmmm
I'll add one other feature: no JAVA dependancies!
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
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on 12/01/2008
at 08:51 PM, Peter Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I would still appreciate your comments regarding PDF-only even if it
applies only to potential subsequent releases.
Just to clarify: This discussion began with respect to the data areas
books, and was intended to be limited to those books. There is no thought
that I am aware of to change from having the z/OS manuals other than data
areas in both book and PDF format. So that should allay some of the fear
Rick Fochtman:
As Bob Shannon noted, the initial z/OS 1.10 bookshelf did not have the
data areas books. IBM developers (and perhaps others) complained and
apparently now they do. There is no indication that this will
necessarily continue in subsequent releases.
I would still appreciate your
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I would still appreciate your comments regarding PDF-only even if it
applies only to potential subsequent releases.
unsnip
As one who spends a fair amount of time using BookManager, I would greatly
appreciate IBM retaining BookManager for the manuals. BookManager is
easier to navigate
A parallel discussion on Bookmanager vs PDF is going on on Twitter right
now. It's a DB2-centric conversation but I've attempted to bring a z/OS
(corroborative) perspective to the discussion.
Martin Packer
Performance Consultant
IBM United Kingdom Ltd
+44-20-8832-5167
+44-7802-245-584
[EMAIL
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I would still appreciate your comments regarding PDF-only even if it
applies only to potential subsequent releases.
I will add my USD$0.02 as well. Bookmanager is the best search engine
by far, and as others have said the ability to search across shelves as
well as books on a shelf is
Colleagues,
My thoughts on the Book Manager versus PDF issue:
- Because I need to view so many different versions of manuals, for
different releases of IMS, z/OS, DFSMS, etc., it is not practical to
download copies of all manuals to my work PC, home PC, laptop, etc., or
to charge someone with
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:51:15 -0500, Peter Relson wrote:
I would still appreciate your comments regarding PDF-only even if it
applies only to potential subsequent releases.
I prefer bookmanager for everything except printing. When I only want to
print or copy/paste a small bit, I will often use
- Because I need to view so many different versions of manuals,
for different releases of IMS, z/OS, DFSMS, etc., it is not
practical to download copies of all manuals to my work PC, home PC,
laptop, etc., or to charge someone with doing the same on a
company server.
[snip]
- Book Manager
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:51:15 -0500, Peter Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would still appreciate your comments regarding PDF-only even if it
applies only to potential subsequent releases.
Would a few comments on IBM-MAIN help? I've been filling out surveys
at SHARE for the last 4 years
In a message dated 12/2/2008 10:01:55 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
by far, and as others have said the ability to search across shelves as
well as books on a shelf is crucial. And the hits are usually right on
target.
Our DR plan included copies of 'current
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