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, August 15, 2023 4:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXT] Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe We'll, they did adopt ISA and extentions, but not MCA in the PS/2s. On Tue, Aug 15, 2023, 08:31 Crawford Robert C (Contractor) < 04e08f385650-dmarc-r

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Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Bob Bridges > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 3:16 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [EXT] Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe > > I sort of agree, but I think underneath we still disag

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Oops. Sorry, folks; I meant to send that off-list. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Pound for pound, the amoeba is the most vicious animal on earth. */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Tuesday, August

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I gather he cannot. But there's a blocking option, isn't there? I haven't looked seriously at that option because these posts don't seriously annoy me. (And to be fair, his on-topic posts are sometimes informed and interesting.) But by all means drop the hammer for your own mental health; no

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> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 06:30:51 AM PDT, Crawford Robert C > (Contractor) wrote: > I also have to wonder if MS-DOS would've taken off at all if IBM had kept it.  >   IBM has a track record of shooting themselves in the foot. Consider what they lost on the first day "The Cloud" was

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TAKE THIS CRAP ELSEWHERE!!! Doug Fuerst -- Original Message -- From "Bill Johnson" <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> To IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date 8/15/2023 9:53:14 AM Subject Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of

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Mary Kay > On Aug 14, 2023, at 6:43 PM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: > > IBM never showed enough interest or vision in microcomputer futures. > > I quit IBM in 1979 to work with some former colleagues on microcomputer > software development. My IBM manager would have walked me if I had been >

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Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 8:44 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe 1984? You mean when Apple announced a system that was less open the IBM's? Are you sure that it isn't Apple who is "Big Br

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Can you PLEASE take non-mainframe related discussion elsewhere Thank you -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: 15 August 2023 14:53 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe Caution

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ohnson [0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 10:06 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe The Bible is 100% fiction. Christians have killed and molested more people than anyone. Pro life? Sent from

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50-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 9:30 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe I also have to wonder if MS-DOS would've taken off at all if IBM had kept it. In the 20th century I remember a lot of companies, Mic

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marc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 9:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe Even a book listed as fiction in the library has some elements of truth. The Bible is fiction. Christians are atheists when you br

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utions LLC (210) 913-3822 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 3:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [EXT] Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe I sort of agree, but I think underneath we stil

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: Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe The Bible is 100% fiction. Christians have killed and molested more people than anyone. Pro life? Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 14, 2023, 10:04 PM, David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>

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as "behema". From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bob Bridges Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 8:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe There's a Christian missionary organization called Wycliffe Bible Tra

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There's a Christian missionary organization called Wycliffe Bible Translators whose goal is to send a small team (and by "small" I mean usually husband and wife or two brothers, like that) to these groups that speak a language that only a thousand people in the whole world use, to live with

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: Monday, August 14, 2023 7:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe Windows NT came from the VAX guys, I think. On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 6:15 AM Wayne Bickerdike wrote: > > > *The facts. According to Bill Johnson.American

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: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bill Johnson [0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 8:02 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe I worked with many brilliant

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@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Steve Thompson [ste...@wkyr.net] Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 8:51 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe DOS was Digital Research's CPM if I remember correctly. And so M/S renamed it to DOS. Then eventually

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: Monday, August 14, 2023 9:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe Adam and Eve are fictional as well. Historicity. While a traditional view was that the Book of Genesis was authored by Moses and has been considered historical

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on behalf of David Spiegel [0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 10:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe Hi Bill, You said: "...Noah never collected 2 of every species. .." That is clo

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, August 14, 2023 10:06 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe The Bible is 100% fiction. Christians have killed and molested more people than anyone. Pro life? Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 14, 2023, 10:04 PM, David

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du/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Mike Schwab [mike.a.sch...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 10:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe They think the Burckle C

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Perryman loses again. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 14, 2023, 10:45 PM, Jon Perryman wrote: > On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 07:21:18 PM PDT, Bill Johnson wrote: > You’re really trying too hard to discredit me. Rather than trying to prove > your contention which you

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> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 07:21:18 PM PDT, Bill Johnson wrote: > You’re really trying too hard to discredit me. Rather than trying to prove > your contention which you can’t. Aw, you wound me. No need to discredit you since you didn't present any verifiable information and never show in

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Can we stop this thread please?! Darren List Owner From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 9:20 PM To: list-ibm-main Subject: Re: The ultimate (anoth

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Bingo Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 14, 2023, 10:19 PM, Mike Schwab wrote: They think the Burckle Crater, off Madagascar, was created by a meteor impact about 2860BCE and the tsunami and torrential downfall is the source of flooding legends around that time.  Impacted SE

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You’re really trying too hard to discredit me. Rather than trying to prove your contention which you can’t.  Metz kicked your a** too. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 14, 2023, 10:18 PM, Jon Perryman wrote: > On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 07:05:06 PM PDT, Bill Johnson

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They think the Burckle Crater, off Madagascar, was created by a meteor impact about 2860BCE and the tsunami and torrential downfall is the source of flooding legends around that time. Impacted SE coast of South America, South Africa, Somalia, Pakistan, India, Indonesia, South and West coast of

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> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 07:05:06 PM PDT, Bill Johnson wrote: > My original post was from an expert on the topic. Via Google search. If he's an expert, then he will have quoted the dates for the events I mentioned. Don't include the word "expert" in your searches because random idiots

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Nonsense. Religion. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 14, 2023, 10:10 PM, David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Hi Bill, It's a free country and you can believe whatever nonsense you want. Regards, David On 2023-08-14 21:43, Bill Johnson

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Hi Bill, It's a free country and you can believe whatever nonsense you want. Regards, David On 2023-08-14 21:43, Bill Johnson wrote: Extrapolating Adam/Eve are fictional so too are their children. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 14, 2023, 9:42 PM, Bill Johnson

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The Bible is 100% fiction. Christians have killed and molested more people than anyone. Pro life?  Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 14, 2023, 10:04 PM, David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Hi Bill, You said: "...Noah never collected 2 of

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My original post was from an expert on the topic. Via Google search. Bwa Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 14, 2023, 10:03 PM, Jon Perryman wrote: > On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 06:40:44 PM PDT, Bill Johnson wrote: > Translation, can’t find any proof. Translation of the

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Hi Bill, You said: "...Noah never collected 2 of every species. .." That is close to what the Bible says, but is inaccurate. Please see GE 7:2 (The verse says Noah was commanded to take 7 (possibly 14) of each species of "clean" animals. (The Hebrew word טְּהוֹרָ֗ does not translate to English.

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> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 06:40:44 PM PDT, Bill Johnson wrote: > Translation, can’t find any proof. Translation of the translation: Too stupid to do a simple web search. I gave you enough keywords yet you don't dispute anything.  What are you saying is wrong? On Monday, August 14,

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Extrapolating Adam/Eve are fictional so too are their children. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 14, 2023, 9:42 PM, Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Adam and Eve are fictional as well.  Historicity. While a traditional view was that the

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Adam and Eve are fictional as well.  Historicity. While a traditional view was that the Book of Genesis was authored by Moses and has been considered historical and metaphorical, modern scholars consider the Genesis creation narrative as one of various ancient origin myths. Sent from Yahoo

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Translation, can’t find any proof. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 14, 2023, 9:36 PM, Jon Perryman wrote: > On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 04:43:19 PM PDT, Bill Johnson  wrote: > Prove it. Don't ask me to do a fools errand because you'll never trust any source I may

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> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 04:43:19 PM PDT, Bill Johnson  wrote: > Prove it. Don't ask me to do a fools errand because you'll never trust any source I may quote. You need to find sources you trust. What I'm finding is the first release of QDOS was delivered around July1980, IBM / Gates

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Yes I do. It has also been seen as a depiction of nomadic conflict, the struggle for land and resources (and divine favour) between nomadic herders and sedentary farmers. The Academic theologian Joseph Blenkinsopp holds that Cain and Abel are symbolic rather than real. And Noah never collected

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Hi Bill, You said: "... Cain & Abel which is fictional. ..." Do you have proof for this assertion? Regards, David On 2023-08-14 20:02, Bill Johnson wrote: I worked with many brilliant computer people over the years. I also worked with people like most of the usual posters here. People who got

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DOS was Digital Research's CPM if I remember correctly. And so M/S renamed it to DOS. Then eventually they had to make changes for sub directories (originally it was a single directly level file system). I think it was Tandy that at their DOS 2.11 they had sub-directories (I was using the

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I worked with many brilliant computer people over the years. I also worked with people like most of the usual posters here. People who got into IT because they were white and breathing. Many from the military. Ask 10 posters here a question and you get 4-5 different answers and every poster

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Prove it. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 14, 2023, 7:36 PM, Jon Perryman wrote: > On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 04:03:04 PM PDT, Bill Johnson  wrote: > A year later, fledgling company Microsoft purchased exclusive rights to sell > QDOS, renamed MS- > DOS, to IBM for their

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English major you aren’t. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 14, 2023, 7:34 PM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: Way to miss the point Bill. Do you write programs that miss out things because they can be easily found on the internet? On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 6:23 AM Bill Johnson <

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A bigger head beats a bigger mouth every time. Johnson by name Johnson by nature. Yeah, I found this on the internet too: Noun[edit ] *johnson* (*plural* *johnsons *) 1. (slang

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> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 04:03:04 PM PDT, Bill Johnson  wrote: > A year later, fledgling company Microsoft purchased exclusive rights to sell > QDOS, renamed MS- > DOS, to IBM for their newly developed IBM-PC. IBM signed their contract with Microsoft in 1980 which happens to be 7 months

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Way to miss the point Bill. Do you write programs that miss out things because they can be easily found on the internet? On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 6:23 AM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >

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https://www.itprotoday.com/compute-engines/windows-nt-and-vms-rest-story Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 14, 2023, 7:17 PM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: Windows NT came from the VAX guys, I think. On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 6:15 AM Wayne Bickerdike wrote: > > > *The facts.

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Those aren’t the facts according to me. They are just the facts. Easily attainable via the internet. But, I understand you guys prefer to see who has the bigger head. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 14, 2023, 7:16 PM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: *The facts. According to Bill

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Windows NT came from the VAX guys, I think. On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 6:15 AM Wayne Bickerdike wrote: > > > *The facts. According to Bill Johnson.American computer programmer Timothy > Paterson, a developer for Seattle Computer Products, wrote the original > operating system for the Intel

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*The facts. According to Bill Johnson.American computer programmer Timothy Paterson, a developer for Seattle Computer Products, wrote the original operating system for the Intel Corporation’s 8086 microprocessor in 1980, initially calling it QDOS (Quick and Dirty Operating System), which was soon

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> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 03:15:12 PM PDT, Grant Taylor wrote: On 8/14/23 3:16 PM, Bob Bridges wrote: > My hang up is that -- as I understand it -- DOS was /never/ IBM's to start > with. > DOS was /Microsoft's. Again, if you want some insights, you can watch  

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The facts. American computer programmer Timothy Paterson, a developer for Seattle Computer Products, wrote the original operating system for the Intel Corporation’s 8086  microprocessor in 1980, initially calling it QDOS (Quick and Dirty Operating System), which was soon renamed 86-DOS. A year

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IBM never showed enough interest or vision in microcomputer futures. I quit IBM in 1979 to work with some former colleagues on microcomputer software development. My IBM manager would have walked me if I had been joining a competitor. This was the rule of the day. He said to me, "I don't ever see

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Perhaps he was referring to OS/2? Microsoft and IBM collaborated for a while. Thanks …….Cameron From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 6:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe I

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I dunno. Jon Perryman said they had DOS and they let it go to Microsoft during other negotiations; I just took it from there. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* You might be a physics major if, when your professor asks you where your homework is, you claim

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On 8/14/23 3:16 PM, Bob Bridges wrote: I sort of agree, but I think underneath we still disagree. I agree that IBM didn't think the PC software was worth developing. And if they had held onto MS-DOS and approached its development in the same way that Microsoft did, sure, they'd probably be

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I sort of agree, but I think underneath we still disagree. I agree that IBM didn't think the PC software was worth developing. And if they had held onto MS-DOS and approached its development in the same way that Microsoft did, sure, they'd probably be worth bazillions. (Probably. I suppose

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> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 06:56:39 AM PDT, Bob Bridges > wrote: > Wait, MS-DOS is what you were talking about, before?  You're suggesting that > if IBM had hung on to  > MS-DOS at the time, they would now be worth bazillions instead of Microsoft? I'm saying that if IBM retained control

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Never forget the lawsuit the government filed against IBM in 1969 that was dropped in 1982. It severely damaged IBM & hindered their attempts to dominate the PC business. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 14, 2023, 9:56 AM, Bob Bridges wrote: Wait, MS-DOS is what you were

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Wait, MS-DOS is what you were talking about, before? You're suggesting that if IBM had hung on to MS-DOS at the time, they would now be worth bazillions instead of Microsoft? --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* ...Flippancy builds up around a man the finest armour

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> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 05:54:10 PM PDT, Grant Taylor wrote: >>On 8/7/23 12:26 PM, Jon Perryman wrote: >> Was it a smart decision for IBM to sell the software that became Microsoft? > Please clarify what IBM sold to Microsoft. >   - Microsoft had (MS-)DOS independent of and without

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Actually, Microsoft, run by thr son of an IBM employee, was approached, and was referred to Digital Research's CPM for 8080, port to 8086/8088 was not ready. They sold it at $200.00 a copy, which IBM was not willing to pay. The license specified if the price was lowered, existing purchaser would

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On 8/7/23 12:26 PM, Jon Perryman wrote: Was it a smart decision for IBM to sell the software that became Microsoft? Please clarify what IBM sold to Microsoft. My understanding is that Microsoft, an existing but small company, came to IBM and said "here, we have an operating system for the

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Wow $2.9 billion global mainframe market ... that's almost 3% of the US federal government IT budget excluding Defence in 2022 ($74 billion). Gartner forecasts global IT spend in 2023 of $4700 billion (yes, just under $5 trillion). Maybe mainframe will reach 0.1% of that. Of course mainframe is

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Exactly. Very limited utility for punched cards as a user interface. Various green screen terminals resulting in VT100 family and TN3270(E) family (S3x+/AS400), now replaced by PCs, laptops, cell phones running green screen emulators or converting to web pages or even apps. Not to mention

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If you're asking present company at large, I have no very strong opinion. If you're asking me particularly, 1) I know too little about OS/2 to opine very strongly. But the fact that OS/2 didn't go very far says to me that 2) IBM may have been smart to sell to Microsoft: IBM's strength is in

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> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 11:02:23 AM PDT, Bob Bridges > wrote: > Just to keep things complicated, if I sell X to company M, IBM has the right to sell anything it owns even if its to Bill Gates. It's not hindsight to say IBM has a lot of software that simply exists. They sold software

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Right. And to be fair to the thrice-despised managers, I very often find, when I look into the details of obvious bad decisions, that they weren't so obvious at the time anyway. I have to be careful not to match my hindsight against their foresight and judge them incompetent. Of course,

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Just to keep things complicated, if I sell X to company M, and company M makes a mint on it, it doesn't ~necessarily~ follow that it was a mistake for me to sell it. Could be that M was likely to make a mint on X and I was not. And after all, is IBM worse off because Microsoft is selling PCs

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On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 08:25:16 AM PDT, Bill Johnson wrote: > The narcissism here is amazing. To claim IBM doesn’t know what they are doing  It's a bit extreme to say its narcissism when its actually frustration at some of IBM business choices. On the whole, I consider IBM excellent

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The growth numbers tell the story. One of the most attention-grabbing of the new uses in which mainframes now excel is blockchain. The mainframe’s advantages over x86 servers in response time, transaction throughput, scalability, and particularly security, make it the ideal blockchain host.

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“We know there’s been a lot of erosion”! No we don’t. Prove it. Because 50 listers have said so in the last decade or two? Plus, there are thousands of new MF customers throughout the world. Easily proven. IBM has been around for over 100 years. (1911) Not many companies can say that. I’d bet

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Mr Perryman sounds a lot like me, when I'm talking about other words. (About "mainframe" I don't think I'm qualified to opine.) When I know what the word means, or meant when I was a boy, everyone who uses the word differently nowadays is contributing to a mistaken use of the word; they don't

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Mike Shaw wrote: >I have seen the 10,000 number several times in this thread...IBM does >not publish their count of installed mainframes AFAIK...how was that >number developed...anybody know? I expect that's a marketing number, and I strongly suspect it's high, and includes internal machines and

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On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 11:24 AM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > <...snip...> There are 10,000+ mainframes <...snip...> I have seen the 10,000 number several times in this thread...IBM does not publish their count of installed mainframes AFAIK...how was

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The narcissism here is amazing. To claim IBM doesn’t know what they are doing and some dudes on the internet do. There are 10,000+ mainframes. That would extrapolate to tens of thousands of systems programmers worldwide. I’m fairly certain the few hundred here, of which 20-30 dominate 90% of

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Choir here. Maybe you should explain this to IBM marketing and "C" level management?  To bad they aren't A level managers. ;-) Just say'n'. Steve Thompson On 8/6/2023 10:57 PM, Jon Perryman wrote: > On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 06:36:52 AM PDT, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: There is NO

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> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 06:36:52 AM PDT, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: > There is NO DEFINITION.Of course there is a definition otherwise it's > jabberwocky. Not one person is willing to accept the actual definition as > given in all dictionaries: a large computer shared by many people. My

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+1, Radoslaw DJ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

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There is NO DEFINITION. Dot. Yes, there is no single definition of mainframe. Everyone may use it's own imagination. Of course some definition may be less popular than other. IMHO (note - this is OPINION), the most commonly used definition NOWADAYS is: IBM System Z. Note, there is nothing