IBM's core business is making profits for their stockholders. All else is
details of implementation.
Bill Fairchild
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of implementation.
Bill Fairchild
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From: Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net
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On 23 January 2014 12:43, Charles Mills
://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2014b.html#25 IBM Asian Revenues Crash, Adjusted
Earnings Beat On Tax Rate Fudge; Debt Rises 20% To Fund Stock Buybacks
past posts mentioning selling x86 server business to lenovo (most
from last spring)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#28 Reports: IBM may sell x86 server
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dasdbi...@comcast.net (DASDBILL2) writes:
IBM's core business is making profits for their stockholders. All else is
details of implementation.
IBM's core business
Just like any other company!
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IBM's core
http://www.itworld.com/hardware/401502/lenovo-agrees-buy-ibms-server-business-23-billion
For 2.3 billion dollars (U.S., Australian, or Canadian not specified, but I
guess U.S.).
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From: John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com
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Subject: IBM sells x86 server business
that they are trying to figure out how much of the sale
is cash and how much is levono stock.
part of this is lots of x86 in clouds ... x86 server chip manufactures
claiming more x86 server chips shipping to cloud operators (that
assemble their own servers) than to brand name server vendors.
for decade or more
, January 23, 2014 8:28 AM
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I've spent several hours reading news reports from far and wide about this
much anticipated development.
What I would like to know is, what does this now mean to IBM's core
business. More
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I've spent several hours reading news reports from far and wide about this
much anticipated development.
What I would like to know is, what does this now mean to IBM's core
to IBM's future.
Harry
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 11:27:40 -0500
From: aledlhug...@aol.com
Subject: Re: IBM sells x86 server business to Levono
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I've spent several hours reading news reports from far and wide about this
much anticipated development.
What I would
Don't watch much TV, usually have it on to News or Sports. The Smarter
planet adds are pretty but not very pithy. More like recruitment posters. The
other one is the 'Watson' MIPs ad for big data. Void of practical solutions
to business problems. Back to shutterfly-it's fun for a while.
On 23 January 2014 12:43, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote:
I think IBM's core business is (1) services and (2) software.
I don't think IBM has been in the core business since the early 1970s.
Tony H.
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Charles
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On 23 January
somebody over in linkedin ibm group just mentioned that
they are trying to figure out how much of the sale is
cash and how much is levono stock.
Then they're not trying very hard. That exact information is contained in
paragraph one of IBM's press release:
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Subject: Re: X86 server
As far as no batch on non-mainframe platforms, I agree with you that
it is pretty much a matter of verbiage and available toolset. Having
worked with both AIX and HP-UX over the past 10 years, they don't have
the initiator concept. As coming out
For those interested in cross-platform batch (which we refer to as z/OS
Hybrid Batch), you may be interested in the following case studies:
z/OS Hybrid Batch Processing: Generating a multi-page PDF document with
Co:Z
http://dovetail.com/products/casestudyitext.html
z/OS Hybrid Batch Processing:
Batch on other systems:
(can Darren or someone please report to L-SOFT problems
replying via the web interface to plies such as Rex's
that have:
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
They can be read clearly. When replying, quoted text
appears as
employee of Amazon.
... snip ...
Not sure what an EC2 instance is made of for this (/or if they are all
the same), an e5-2600 would have 16 cores and 6742 instances would be
aggregate of 107,872 cores (aka processors).
past posts in thread:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#16 X86 server
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On Aug 27, 2012, at 07:03, McKown, John wrote:
... Oh, there is also icron to schedule background tasks based on
creation, update, or deletion
Just an additional comment to the past discussions.
I agree that a big MF installation (e.g. running a number of sysplexes
of z10 EC CECs or z196 with a number of say 10 to 50 LPARs) has in fact
no reason to migrate to Intel based machines.
I was working for a Bavarian manufacturing company
On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 13:06:13 +0200, Arthur Fichtl wrote:
OTOH, if you look at the global big new companies (e.g. Google, Amazon,
Facebook), nobody of them is running MF systems because these companies
are not captivated by legacy systems.
Instead, Google (as known to the public) is running a
In 2174580136452535.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
08/24/2012
at 10:31 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:13:49 -0400, Anne Lynn Wheeler wrote:
...
max configured z196 with 80 processors is rated for 50BIPS and goes for
$28M (about
their products. However, their
findings have also tended to influence blade component selection and
assembly by others.
recent posts in this thread
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#16 X86 server
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#18 X86 server
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#19 X86
On Aug 26, 2012, at 6:06 AM, Arthur Fichtl wrote:
SNIP-
OTOH, if you look at the global big new companies (e.g. Google,
Amazon, Facebook), nobody of them is running MF systems because
these companies are not captivated by legacy systems.
I saw the same exercise in a pharm. company trying to go from MVS, multiple
Lpars to unix.
Several millions of $$$ and it was a bustsome applications were difficult
to convert
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
On Aug 26, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net wrote:
On Aug
/2012l.html#28 X86 server
there was reference to older mainframe TPC benchmark ... there was some
published work for z10 which was then prorated by 50/30 to give estimate
for z196 ... as a means of making other thruput comparisons.
--
virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since
/2012l.html#28 X86 server
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#29 X86 server
both refer to TPC benchmarks ... which have benchmarks that are RDBMS
transaction oriented with heavy disk i/o (as mentioned looking
at number of transactions/thruput, cost of transactions/thruput, and
power consumption
scott_j_f...@yahoo.com (Scott Ford) writes:
I saw the same exercise in a pharm. company trying to go from MVS,
multiple Lpars to unix. Several millions of $$$ and it was a
bustsome applications were difficult to convert
in the 90s, one of the biggest efforts was by the financial industry
Good lord! Can you PLEASE try to post *vaguely* relevant material? This
makes you look like a troll.
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.comwrote:
scott_j_f...@yahoo.com (Scott Ford) writes:
I saw the same exercise in a pharm. company trying to go from MVS,
On 26 Aug 2012 14:00:54 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main zman wrote:
Good lord! Can you PLEASE try to post *vaguely* relevant material? This
makes you look like a troll.
Looking at this material (in the three postings from Lynn) which I
consider highly relevant, I am wondering about the long term
The elimination of batch which seems
to be feasible on non-mainframe architectures alone is a killer.
There is no elimination of batch, anywhere.
It might go by another name, it might be 'hidden', but there's always batch.
Remember to remind the auditors of that next time they come around
Just for my 2 cents worth, ran P390s in one environment attached to two T1s.
Attached to them we're 3800 laser printers and some 3274s we couldnt replace.
The mainframes were an hour plus away in NJ, and our printed output queued up
to the P390s.
Everything worked like a champ. I am now on Z/Pdt
.
Everything worked like a champ. I am now on Z/Pdt z/os1.12 on a intel
i7', everything s good, but are also only doing development.
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#16 X86 server
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#18 X86 server
http://www.garlic.com
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#16 X86 server
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#18 X86 server
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#19 X86 server
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#20 X86 server
1980 STL is bursting at the seams and they are moving 300 people from
IMS
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:13:49 -0400, Anne Lynn Wheeler wrote:
...
max configured z196 with 80 processors is rated for 50BIPS and goes for
$28M (about $560,000/BIPS) ...
ibm has base price of $1815 for e5-2600 blade ... which have ratings at
527BIPS (about $3.44/BIPS), ...
A factor of 160,000.
W dniu 2012-08-23 04:23, McKown, John pisze:
X64 hardware, as much as it has improved, is still not as reliable or
have the I/O capacity of the z hardware. E.g.: We had a TCM fail
once. A spare picked up the work, automatically restarting the
instruction stream, with no outage of any sort and no
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W dniu 2012-08-23 04:23, McKown, John pisze:
X64 hardware, as much as it has improved, is still not as reliable or
have the I/O capacity of the z hardware. E.g.: We had a TCM fail
once. A spare picked up the work, automatically restarting the
instruction
John McKown wrote:
From what I recall from some time ago (my personal memory is like FLASH - the
more I write, the more it is worn out and the faster it fails), back when
PSI(?) had a z emulator on Itanium, IBM sued them. Some of the reasons given
were:
(1) that z/OS had a reputation in the
, 2012 7:02 AM
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Subject: Re: X86 server
I now don't believe much of anybody when they say that they will accept any
responsibility for anything. Given time, they will renege on any agreement that
they possibly can get away with reneging on. I am getting very cynical
john.mck...@healthmarkets.com (McKown, John) writes:
X64 hardware, as much as it has improved, is still not as reliable or
have the I/O capacity of the z hardware. E.g.: We had a TCM fail
once. A spare picked up the work, automatically restarting the
instruction stream, with no outage of any
: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 6:00 PM
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Subject: Re: X86 server
Which costs less?
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:40:01 -0700, Edward Jaffe wrote:
On 8/13/2012 10:01 PM, Jake anderson wrote:
Does IBM provides support running Z/OS on X86 ?
Yes, with its RDT offering:
http
Gilmartin
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Which costs less?
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:40:01 -0700, Edward Jaffe wrote:
On 8/13/2012 10:01 PM, Jake anderson wrote:
Does IBM provides support running Z/OS on X86 ?
Yes, with its RDT
.
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john.mck...@healthmarkets.com (McKown, John) writes:
X64 hardware, as much as it has
john.mck...@healthmarkets.com (McKown, John) writes:
has always been - had always been. As you indicated, at first
software was written in order to sell the hardware. It was basically
overhead. However, when PCMs such as Amdahl came along and simply
started redistributing IBM software (which
mw...@ssfcu.org (Ward, Mike S) writes:
IBM has always been a hardware company. In the 60's they wrote
operating systems and gave them away as long as you purchased the
hardware from them to run it on.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#16 X86 server
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn
On 8/13/2012 10:01 PM, Jake anderson wrote:
Does IBM provides support running Z/OS on X86 ?
Yes, with its RDT offering:
http://www.ibm.com/software/rational/products/devtest/systemz/
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Which costs less?
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:40:01 -0700, Edward Jaffe wrote:
On 8/13/2012 10:01 PM, Jake anderson wrote:
Does IBM provides support running Z/OS on X86 ?
Yes, with its RDT offering:
http://www.ibm.com/software/rational/products/devtest/systemz/
What's IBM's economic rationale
, August 22, 2012 6:00 PM
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Subject: Re: X86 server
Which costs less?
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:40:01 -0700, Edward Jaffe wrote:
On 8/13/2012 10:01 PM, Jake anderson wrote:
Does IBM provides support running Z/OS on X86 ?
Yes, with its RDT offering:
http
Jake anderson wrote:
Does IBM provides support running Z/OS on X86 ?
Did you ask them?
And please follow zMan's suggestion...
Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht
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McKown, John wrote:
Just a guess on my part, but the OP may know that Linux runs natively on many
hardware systems: i386, x86_64, Power, i, and z.
True, if you can port the source or the compiled object codes to that platform.
The C language is very handy for such porting. (disclaimer - I
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Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 8:39 AM
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Subject: Re: X86 server
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Jake anderson
justmainfra...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi,
Does IBM provides support running Z/OS on X86 ?
Do you mean, Will IBM
Dear All,
Could someone provide more information on X86 server ? I am just curious to
know if this server is a mimic of Z.OS ? If it is so Migrating from Z/OS to
X86 will be a good idea ?
Jake
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Jake,
What x86 server are you referring to? Are you talking about the x68blades
in a zBX-frame connected to the mainframe?
Or are you hinting at running z/OS from x86 hardware?
If the latter is the case : feel free to contact me. You can take a sneak
peak at http://zdevops.com
We do z/OS
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:16:14 +0200, Henri Kuiper wrote:
Or are you hinting at running z/OS from x86 hardware?
If the latter is the case : feel free to contact me. You can take a sneak
peak at http://zdevops.com
We do z/OS virtualizations on x86 hardware :).
Would this be more like Platform
On 8/13/2012 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote:
Would this be more like Platform Solutions Inc., or like Hercules, or
like Neon ZPrime?
I suspect it's more like (as in is) zPDT, or it's cousin RDz.
Mark Post
In
capmheapqah_j8ooge4ytzzhnstdmyra_elty4zsd3hgtp1k...@mail.gmail.com,
on 08/13/2012
at 02:16 PM, Henri Kuiper henrikui...@zdevops.com said:
If the latter is the case : feel free to contact me. You can take a
sneak peak at http://zdevops.com
We do z/OS virtualizations on x86 hardware :).
What
On 13 August 2012 11:06, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
shmuel+...@patriot.net wrote:
In capmheapqah_j8ooge4ytzzhnstdmyra_elty4zsd3hgtp1k...@mail.gmail.com,
on 08/13/2012 at 02:16 PM, Henri Kuiper henrikui...@zdevops.com said:
If the latter is the case : feel free to contact me. You can take a
sneak
Hi,
Does IBM provides support running Z/OS on X86 ?
Jake
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net wrote:
On 13 August 2012 11:06, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
shmuel+...@patriot.net wrote:
In capmheapqah_j8ooge4ytzzhnstdmyra_elty4zsd3hgtp1k...@mail.gmail.com,
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