Re: empty KSDS behavior - why?

I remember working with HSM migration control datasets a few years ago. Even for that you had to load a high key value dummy record before using the dataset. On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Frank Swarbrick wrote: > Pointless issue of the day. This has bothered me

Potter (was: CLIP?)

On Fri, 25 May 2018 19:47:47 -0500, Edward Gould wrote: > >What we did use from potter was their printer. All the programmers seem to >love it as the page size was 8 1/2 by 11. >I do not remember specifically anything wrong with it although I think it got >used heavily. It may have had more

Re: empty KSDS behavior - why?

On Sat, 26 May 2018 00:20:34 +, Frank Swarbrick wrote: >Pointless issue of the day. This has bothered me for 20 years. I figured its >about time I ask, why? Why does an "empty" KSDS (a KSDS that has never been >"loaded") have what seems to be to be a "special" behavior, one that is

Re: CLIP?

> On May 25, 2018, at 1:34 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > Have you used Potter tape drives in that time frame? If not, I don't see any > reasonable argument that you could make. My mind is cloudy here so I can’t remember anything during that time frame. At the time the boss was

Re: smp/e question - PTF relinks, but missing CSECTs.

> On May 25, 2018, at 12:39 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson > wrote: > > I'm sympathetic to the argument that new stuff should be investigated, but > the problem is whether that really happens in practice. We've all met the > sysprog who meticulously codes parameter defaults as

empty KSDS behavior - why?

Pointless issue of the day. This has bothered me for 20 years. I figured its about time I ask, why? Why does an "empty" KSDS (a KSDS that has never been "loaded") have what seems to be to be a "special" behavior, one that is different than a KSDS that had records but no longer has any (all

Re: How to get BPX loadhfs (BPX1LOD) to load module into writable memory?

On Fri, 25 May 2018 22:23:09 +0200, Peter Hunkeler wrote: >>> What was Peter H. (informally?) quoting without citation? > > >>In: z/OS IBM MVS Program Management: User's Guide and Reference >>Version 2 Release 3 SA23-1393-30 > >Re-read my post and you will find my citation. I admit I missed the

Re: Walt Doherty - RIP

g...@gabegold.com (Gabe Goldberg) writes: > https://jlelliotton.blogspot.com/p/the-economic-value-of-rapid-response.html Yorktown research also did study of what was minimum human response threshold perception (somewhat skewed population, members of YKT research) ... and it varied for different

Re: Walt Doherty - RIP

On 5/25/2018 1:21 PM, Gabe Goldberg wrote: Father of economics of sub-second response time; wonderful SHARE/mainframe/computing contributor. Read that old paper and realized we've gone backwards from the mainframe ... as I wait for my JIRA ticket to load ... -- Jack J. Woehr # Science

AW: Re: How to get BPX loadhfs (BPX1LOD) to load module into writable memory?

>> What was Peter H. (informally?) quoting without citation? > >In: z/OS IBM MVS Program Management: User's Guide and Reference >Version 2 Release 3 SA23-1393-30 Re-read my post and you will find my citation. I admit I missed the word "Reference" and I did not include the pubs number. I

Walt Doherty - RIP

Father of economics of sub-second response time; wonderful SHARE/mainframe/computing contributor. http://hosting-11936.tributes.com/obituary/show/Walter-J.-Doherty-106121619 https://jlelliotton.blogspot.com/p/the-economic-value-of-rapid-response.html -- Gabriel Goldberg, Computers and

Re: smp/e question - PTF relinks, but missing CSECTs.

I believe that a radical restructuring of a load module represents a strong case for ++DELETE and re-add of the affected element. Some changes are too disruptive to handle via update. Of course a delete is also disruptive and invariably accompanied by HOLD data to the effect that the PTF cannot

Re: CLIP?

> I will argue with you about the reliability of STC/STK drives. Have you used Potter tape drives in that time frame? If not, I don't see any reasonable argument that you could make. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM

Re: How to get BPX loadhfs (BPX1LOD) to load module into writable memory?

> "ordinarily expected". Is this a retreat from the earlier well-known > rule (cited by Peter) that a RENT program was allowed to modify its > own code given proper serialization? I read it as saying that it's permitted but bad form, and I agree. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

Re: How to get BPX loadhfs (BPX1LOD) to load module into writable memory?

On Tue, 22 May 2018 15:27:32 -0400, Thomas David Rivers wrote: >The BPX loadhfs function (BPX1LOD) loads an HFS executable >into memory. > >It seems, that sometimes, this is loaded into writable memory >and sometimes into read-only memory. > >There doesn't seem to be a way to indicate which is

Re: Mantissa z86VM ?

> On May 25, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) > wrote: > > The last update I can find is in their blog from June 2015 - does anyone know > what happened to this promising product to enable x86 software to run on Z? > >

Re: smp/e question - PTF relinks, but missing CSECTs.

On Fri, 25 May 2018 17:39:03 +, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote: > >As for getting inconsistent results, I suspect that SMP/E results can be >influenced by the particular mix of elements being processed in a given run. >That is, applying SYSMOD-A and SYSMOD-B in the same step might uncover a

Re: smp/e question - PTF relinks, but missing CSECTs.

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 12:43 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > My song "PUT Process" was motivated by real incidents. JES2 service was > especially bad; they would issue a PTF with a packaging error and the fix > would again have a packaging error. > ​Yeah, I remember "JES2 level

Re: smp/e question - PTF relinks, but missing CSECTs.

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 12:39 PM Jesse 1 Robinson wrote: > I'm sympathetic to the argument that new stuff should be investigated, but > the problem is whether that really happens in practice. We've all met the > sysprog who meticulously codes parameter defaults as a kind

Re: CLIP?

> On May 25, 2018, at 10:34 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > STC drives were the reliable ones. Ever use Potter drives in the late 1970s > or in the 1980s? I will argue with you about the reliability of STC/STK drives. At the time we had a full time (actually a couple) of IBM

Re: Mantissa z86VM ?

Lack of Money and people Sent from my iPhone Sorry for the autocorrect issues > On May 25, 2018, at 11:51, Dyck, Lionel B. (RavenTek) > wrote: > > The last update I can find is in their blog from June 2015 - does anyone know > what happened to this promising product to

Re: smp/e question - PTF relinks, but missing CSECTs.

My song "PUT Process" was motivated by real incidents. JES2 service was especially bad; they would issue a PTF with a packaging error and the fix would again have a packaging error. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM

Re: smp/e question - PTF relinks, but missing CSECTs.

I'm sympathetic to the argument that new stuff should be investigated, but the problem is whether that really happens in practice. We've all met the sysprog who meticulously codes parameter defaults as a kind of in-your-face documentation so that 'we will all know' what's happening. Then years

Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] smp/e question - PTF relinks, but missing CSECTs.

On Fri, 25 May 2018 11:19:58 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >SYSLIB? SYSLMOD? Whatever. I don't believe SMP/E cares about SYSLIB >DD statement images in Binder JCLIN. It does with CALLLIBS. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: File transfer Red Alert

Saints be praised! The sun has broken through the Southern California May Gray--predecessor to June Gloom. Both SFTP and HTTPS are cited. We use the former as an internal standard and the latter for RECEIVE FROM NETWORK. For reasons I've mentioned elsewhere, TLS/FTPS is not technically possible

Re: smp/e question - PTF relinks, but missing CSECTs.

(It's Friday; SPAM is above suspicion.) On Fri, 25 May 2018 16:41:56 +, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote: >I don't see any problem with the BYPASS statement except that it's needlessly >specific. BYPASS(HOLDSYSTEM) without the list of types should not only >suffice--it does for me--but also hedges

Mantissa z86VM ?

The last update I can find is in their blog from June 2015 - does anyone know what happened to this promising product to enable x86 software to run on Z? -- Lionel B. Dyck (Contractor) < Mainframe Systems Programmer -

Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] smp/e question - PTF relinks, but missing CSECTs.

I don't see any problem with the BYPASS statement except that it's needlessly specific. BYPASS(HOLDSYSTEM) without the list of types should not only suffice--it does for me--but also hedges against the addition of some new holdsys type that you also want to bypass but overlooked in the

Re: File transfer Red Alert

Reposting to the list server for Rick. rs1...@gmail.com wrote: The Support File Transfer Details page has been updated and the Support File Transfer ID link is live. Please see http://public.dhe.ibm.com/SupportFileTransferDetails.html for all the details needed. We will continue to keep this

Re: How to get BPX loadhfs (BPX1LOD) to load module into writable memory?

No, I just finished looking for appropriate references for pure, reentrant and refreshable for use in an edit to a Wikipedia talk page. As usual, gargle insists that it knows better than me what I want to search form, and gives me lots of BS links. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] smp/e question - PTF relinks, but missing CSECTs.

ObSchiller Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain. You can't win an argument with the invincibly ignorant, no mater how many times you ask them to RTFM. My condolences. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM

Re: How to get BPX loadhfs (BPX1LOD) to load module into writable memory?

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 11:16 AM Seymour J Metz wrote: > The CS community uses "pure" for read-only. > ​Thanks. I thought that I had read something like like in the past, but I couldn't find the reference. By chance do you have a URL that I could refer to? I tried various

Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] smp/e question - PTF relinks, but missing CSECTs.

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 10:41 AM Seymour J Metz wrote: > What was on the APPLY statement? > ​It is my standard. The BYPASS _might_ be part of the problem, but I really don't see why it would cause _this_ error. SETBOUNDARY (MVST100) . APPLY

Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] smp/e question - PTF relinks, but missing CSECTs.

On Fri, 25 May 2018 07:37:53 -0500, John McKown wrote: >On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 7:26 AM Tom Marchant wrote: > >> On Fri, 25 May 2018 12:20:18 +, Allan Staller wrote: >> >> >Check the releted DDDEF's and the SYSLIB/CALLLIB concat. >> >> SYSLIB? The SYSLIB DDDEF is for assemblies, not for link

Re: How to get BPX loadhfs (BPX1LOD) to load module into writable memory?

The CS community uses "pure" for read-only. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of John McKown Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 3:58

Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] smp/e question - PTF relinks, but missing CSECTs.

What was on the APPLY statement? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of John McKown Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 4:33 PM To:

Re: CLIP?

STC drives were the reliable ones. Ever use Potter drives in the late 1970s or in the 1980s? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Edward Gould

Re: How do I use 3270-4E on TSO?

That breaks custom logmodes. If I want a WSF, I use D4C32XX2 or something similar. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin

Re: How do I use 3270-4E on TSO?

That depends on how you terminal is configured. A real 3180 or 3192 with a custom MODEENT could run with a primary of 43x80 and a secondary of 27x132; I don't know whether his TN3270 client supports that, but it was much more useful than a primary of 24x80, back in the day. -- Shmuel (Seymour

PDSEGEN - 2 years old

I wanted to let y'all know that PDSEGEN turns 2 years old tomorrow - 5/26. That is the day that I created the very first alpha version of PDSEGEN using information from Thomas Reed's SHARE presentation on how to access PDSE V2 Member Generations. Since then it has grown thanks to the input,

Re: How do I use 3270-4E on TSO?

Hi Tony. There are different ways to log on to an application using VTAM/Switch. Please give us (MacKinney Systems) a call and ask for tech support. They'll get you going. Best regards, Wendell -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe

Re: VTL as 3490 vs 3590

Ah yes, it's Friday Wikipedia: Keep on truckin' is a phrase from the 1930s song "Trucking My Blues Away" by Blind Boy Fuller. Kees. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Mike Baldwin > Sent: 25 May, 2018 16:29 > To:

Re: VTL as 3490 vs 3590

On Wed, 23 May 2018 13:02:24 +0800, Timothy Sipples wrote: >Please keep on trucking! It's Friday: I'm not sure where Timothy picked this up, I think he is too young to remember this popular expression. Eddie Kendricks, RIP. Regards, Mike Baldwin Cartagena Software Limited

Re: How do I use 3270-4E on TSO?

Not quite the correct question. D$C32XX3 is a MODEENT or logmode in table ISTINCLM. ISTINCLM is shipped by IBM in SYS1.VTAMLIB. Source is in SYS1.SAMPLIB. Unless you've created your own ISTINCLM and replaced the IBM standard MODETAB - that would be a bit daft imho - the IBM MODETAB ISTINCLM is

Re: File transfer Red Alert

PFCSK's in charge! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Vince Getgood Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 5:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: File transfer Red Alert IBM ECUREP tell me that: - "A PCM ticket

Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] smp/e question - PTF relinks, but missing CSECTs.

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 7:26 AM Tom Marchant < 000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > On Fri, 25 May 2018 12:20:18 +, Allan Staller wrote: > > >Check the releted DDDEF's and the SYSLIB/CALLLIB concat. > > SYSLIB? The SYSLIB DDDEF is for assemblies, not for link edits. >

Re: How do I use 3270-4E on TSO?

Is D4C32XX3 available in VTAMLST/VTAMLIB? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 8:46 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How do I use 3270-4E on TSO? but D4B32782 does

Re: Can a job determine its own WLM priority?

I believe all of that type of information is available via WLM macros. However, I also believe that any modification of WLM "settings" requires APF authorization. It might even be true for inquiry type activities. Check the WLM Planning Guide. HTT, -Original Message- From: IBM

Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] smp/e question - PTF relinks, but missing CSECTs.

On Fri, 25 May 2018 12:20:18 +, Allan Staller wrote: >Check the releted DDDEF's and the SYSLIB/CALLLIB concat. SYSLIB? The SYSLIB DDDEF is for assemblies, not for link edits. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe /

Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] smp/e question - PTF relinks, but missing CSECTs.

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 7:21 AM Allan Staller wrote: > Sounds like a SMP/E Configuration error. Check the releted DDDEF's and the > SYSLIB/CALLLIB concat. > Other SMP/E error messages? > ​That is the only error message. Not really an SMP/E error, just an unacceptable RC

Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] smp/e question - PTF relinks, but missing CSECTs.

Sounds like a SMP/E Configuration error. Check the releted DDDEF's and the SYSLIB/CALLLIB concat. Other SMP/E error messages? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 3:27 PM To:

Re: File transfer Red Alert

Update So I asked EcuRep when we might be able to register for an id. There response was:- "There is no date yet established but given the fact that the current FTP process for ECuRep and Testcase will remain available June 21, 2018, I'm sure that the instructions will be provided way ahead

Re: Can a job determine its own WLM priority?

Phil, there is no "WLM priority". There is a dispatch priority, and there is a WLM importance (and goal). - Which one are you interested in? - Only for simple cases the entire "job" (address space) would be managed to the same service class period, and therefore dispatch priority. Are you

Re: File transfer Red Alert

IBM ECUREP tell me that: - "A PCM ticket V180523110803S with high priority is already in progress since the instructions for creating the IBM Support File Transfer ID were not provided. " -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

Re: Sample program for JES dataset read?

Thanks. Will take a look.  CharlesSent from a mobile; please excuse the brevity. Original message From: Dan D Date: 5/24/18 9:44 PM (GMT+01:00) To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Sample program for JES dataset read? Hi Charles, It hasn't been

Re: How do I use 3270-4E on TSO?

OSA-ICC provides non-SNA VTAM local terminals. You need to use a non-SNA logmode. The best is perhaps the one Tony mentions. SYS1.SAMPLIB(ISTINCLM) TITLE 'D4B32XX3' ** *

Re: File transfer Red Alert

"Now to wait for a link to get a UID/token..." 09:37 on the 25th May here in the UK and still nothing I've emailed 'cont...@ecurep.ibm.com' and asked where the link is. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Reminder - Next meeting of the GSE UK Security Working Group - 28th June 2018

Ladies and Gentlemen, A gentle reminder that the next meeting of the GSE UK Security Working Group, will take place on Thursday 28th June 2018 at the offices of SAS UK in Marlow, UK – the venue is approximately a 30 minute drive from London Heathrow Airport. We now have a full agenda, which is