Cross-posting to IBM-MAIN, JES2-L, JES3-L
The new AFP-L discussion list is open for subscriptions.
I hope to get the experts and the users back on board to quickly
reestablish an AFP community.
(The former list at Topica seems to be dead since October 2012.)
Please spread the word
W dniu 2013-06-02 19:10, Don Williams pisze:
Good points which is why I don't setup them up as NIP consoles and we only
allow access inside our firewall.
Well, the only reason I need hard consoles is NIP/IPL/shutdown process.
Later (after IPL) I can use EMCS consoles (SDSF) or VTAM consoles if
Thank you , if no ENF signal, nothing to do .
On 30.05.2013 13:55, Peter Relson wrote:
There are a lot of ENF's that are for IBM use only, for which case I would
expect there to be no details in the books.
While it is possible that this is an oversight, it is more likely that it
is not.
I
Hunkeler Peter (TLSG 4) wrote:
The new AFP-L discussion list is open for subscriptions.
Cool! ;-)
Very Cool! :-D
Now you can get rich from being an admin... ;-D
Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht
PS: I know, being an admin is just a volunteer type of work.
Hello Group,
I am trying to take a back up of a products like SMPED.MRSTAR.** and
restoring to
other LPAR like SMPEP.MRSTAR.**.
So to make the cloned SMPE environment to work what are the other things
which needs renaming ? so that SMPEP.MRSTAR.** Goes well. I understand the
DDDEF needs the
Now you can get rich from being an admin... ;-D
I was more looking for something to help me avoid a heart attack when I cannot
determine that hidden error in an AFP datastream. A place to discuss with
experts like here on IBM-MAIN. But then, if becoming rich is part of the list
owner game, I
Hi John, Peter,
* Re. I am also suspicious of Jan Vanbrabant's esclusion of homologation
from this discussion. The word is derived from the ancient Greek verb
homologein, to approve, which becomes homologare, to agree, in fairly late
Latin. (It has a special meaning in Scots law, where it is
It would help to know what error messages you are getting?
How did you do the renames?
Did you do any UCLIN after the renames?
Lizette
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Hi to you all, wise gal and guys,
THANK YOU SINCERELY for all your valuable réactions!
I think the overall conclusion might (!) be:
the techies seem rather to be PRO-recompile, while the more development
oriented people CONTRA-recompile and hence PRO-copying, and this certainly
between
Hello Lizette,
To be honest I just tried using SMP/E panel rather than Batch. Do you have
any sequence of sample Batch Jobs which are used in renaming the internal
information of SMP/E ?
Jake
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.comwrote:
It would help to know
Right. Honest, I was not trying to be obscure or overly clever.
What I do in all of my xSAM/BPAM code is code all of the DCB's and DECB's and
other RMODE 24 stuff in its own CSECT (and sometimes, just because it organizes
the code better, even other small things that do not HAVE to be RMODE 24
... I just tried using SMP/E panel rather than Batch. Do you have
any sequence of sample Batch Jobs which are used in renaming the internal
information of SMP/E ?
If you copied your CSI data sets then most likely you need to update the
ZONEINDEX subentries in the global zone for the target and
I must admit that I too am guilty of offenses very like the ones
Charles Mills appears to have committed. I put data-management
control blocks that must be below the line below it, but it would not
occur to me to put buffers there.
Moreover, it seems to me that there is a rationale for doing
Seconded! OSA/ICC works great...
snip
We have used OSA-ICC for several years.
The Visara has been off maintenance for years, but has not died. We still use
it for back-up consoles.
/snip
snip
However,
when we upgrade our processor to a zBC12 (or whatever the next
mid-range processor
It is also part of the name of a sports car - Gran Turismo Omologato (aka
GTO), meaning homologated grand tourer, a luxury car that has been homologated
(certified or approved) for racing.
And sometimes Darren has to be involved in homologating posts on this list
server.
Bill Fairchild
On 06/01/2013 10:58 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
In
985915eee6984740ae93f8495c624c6c2318055...@jscpcwexmaa1.bsg.ad.adp.com,
on 05/31/2013
at 03:40 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 peter.far...@broadridge.com
said:
The problem with recompilation is not purely technical though. ISTM
that
BUILD is only capable of creating a BUFCB that is immediately followed by the
buffers, as it only has one operand to indicate the memory location, as you no
doubt know. Earlier you said your program does not use BUILD. If your program
had used BUILD, like the OP's does, and given it the address
Ah! Got it.
The OP has been absent from this discussion for a while. Either the problem is
solved, or he has gotten tired of our debate. g
Charles
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On Mon, 3 Jun 2013 08:46:24 -0400, John Gilmore wrote:
(Above-the-bar VSCR projects may be in the womb of time, but I judge
that their gestation period will be very long.)
A plausible judgment. But how about in between? Is VSCR below the bar
but above the line looming? I'd expect a motivator
On Fri, 31 May 2013 20:09:33 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote:
We don't have enough DASD at the hot site for that.
You don't have enough DASD at your hot site to run the business?
Then what is it good for?
--
Tom Marchant
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Jeffery Swagger wrote:
Yes, this!
Prereq:
On Mon, 3 Jun 2013 08:44:17 -0500, Joel C. Ewing wrote:
One of the big advantages to MVS has always been the deliberate design
for upward compatibility, precisely so you don't have to recompile and
retest all applications every time there is major maintenance to the
Operating System or its
On Sat, 1 Jun 2013 23:58:34 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
shmuel+...@patriot.net wrote:
In
985915eee6984740ae93f8495c624c6c2318055...@jscpcwexmaa1.bsg.ad.adp.com,
on 05/31/2013
at 03:40 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 peter.far...@broadridge.com
said:
The problem with recompilation is not purely
However, with the upcoming release of Enterprise COBOL 5.1 and its radically
different code generation (and, I am guessing, runtime library contents and
usage to match), there exists at least the *possibility* we may have to do
something similar again. I certainly hope not (one would *hope*
On Mon, 3 Jun 2013 09:28:07 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
I understand that some of Java has migrated to within the bar
Why do you continue to refer to the area between 2GB and 4GB as
Within the bar? While it is true that some early presentations
depicted the bar as having a thickness of 2
Early doc available publicly from IBM seems to indicate that no conversion
necessary for source code already at Ent COBOL 4.2. I am also waiting for the
COB V5 documentation library to become available for more specific wording.
Of course the usual caveats apply, and that is to make sure
In another context someone here once cited the Irish washer woman who
feared that she would grow bored with praising the Lord for all
eternity, and I have similar reactions to praise of regression
testing. (She was the same washer woman who hoped, since she had no
voice, that she would get out
On Mon, 3 Jun 2013 10:08:19 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote:
Why do you continue to refer to the area between 2GB and 4GB as
Within the bar? While it is true that some early presentations
depicted the bar as having a thickness of 2 GB, AFAIK, it was never
documented that way in any IBM manual.
DB2, IMS and CICS have already done considerable work moving stuff from
31- to 64-Bit, to name just three products.
Certainly in the case of DB2 it was vital. For CICS becoming more so.
Cheers, Martin
Martin Packer,
zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator,
Worldwide Banking Center of
On Mon, 2013-06-03 at 11:02 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
(Probably. If an interpreter
were make its smallest unit of addressable storage 8 bytes, it could still
address 32GiB with 32 bit addresses. I doubt that Java is implemented in
that fashion.)
The IBM Java implementation does precisely
On Mon, 3 Jun 2013 11:52:27 -0400, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote:
Regression testing is too often simplistic.
Regression testing is more a political / procedural / contractual / audit
obligation after recompile, even if no program changes were made.
Cost vs. benefit. All cost,
In 01d401ce6055$d6e79170$84b6b450$@mcn.org, on 06/03/2013
at 08:28 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said:
However, I don't think I copy any BUFCB's anywhere. I think QSAM
automatically allocates the BUFCB wherever it chooses (presumably it
chooses RMODE 24) and the buffers wherever you tell
In
dc74548a025aff4a85f46926802a9b230a24c...@chsa1035.share.beluni.net,
on 06/03/2013
at 12:17 PM, Hunkeler Peter (TLSG 4)
peter.hunke...@credit-suisse.com said:
I was more looking for something to help me avoid a heart attack when
I cannot determine that hidden error in an AFP datastream.
In
cae1xxde74ruwarz2_7t1x3qlccv8fykjrb5gqjawnlbasts...@mail.gmail.com,
on 06/03/2013
at 11:52 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said:
Something akin to regression testing is of course inescapable; but
comprehensive unit testing of new subroutines is better and, like
liquor, quicker. One
I am editing a wiki article on disk formatting and have been
challenged to provide documentation of my claim that formatting a VSAM
cluster, HFS or zFS rewrites existing data. I could cite dead tree
documentation for VSAM in OS/VS2 R3.8, but I'd really prefer something
recent enough to be
I'd like to second that statement.
I recall only two times when there were significant problems with new
compilers
and when we did large tests on new compiler versions. One was a new
version of
one of the first C/370 compilers (when we discovered some questionable
pieces
of our code that
I let QSAM allocate the little buggers wherever it wants. g
Charles
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... the bugger pool ...
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 13:46:10 -0400
From: shmuel+...@patriot.net
Subject: Re: Examples of getbuf and build usage
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
In
I remember having this issue years ago when using the old IPO SMFDUMP program.
We forced a switch at midnight and dumped the last of the previous day's data
on two loosely coupled systems. IIRC, the type 19s were produced by the IEFU29
exit under a global IPO1.SMF enqueue. The two dumps'
We IPL with type 19's turned off, and then enable in Command after IPL.
Jerry Whitteridge
Lead Systems Programmer
Safeway Inc.
925 951 4184
If you feel in control
you just aren't going fast enough.
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We use the HMC as the NIP console, but I can definitely see where some
customers need a hard NIP console.
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To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
On 6/3/2013 12:51 PM, Don Williams wrote:
We use the HMC as the NIP console, but I can definitely see where some
customers need a hard NIP console.
A 3270 NIP console with no remote access would create a problem for an
unattended shop like ours when there is a prompt that prevents IPL
(e.g.,
It is enough to get Tier 0, 1, and some 2 going. Then wait for more
dasd to be installed and raise the CPU limits when we need it.
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Fri, 31 May 2013 20:09:33 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote:
We don't have enough DASD at
Mark,
Even had a LARGE customer argue we should rewrite our software in 24bit
...because he didn't understand 32 bit LE ,heaps and run options .
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
from my IPAD
'Infinite wisdom through infinite means'
On Jun 3, 2013, at 10:50 AM, Mark Zelden
I went through the z/OS 1.13 manuals on defining VSAM datasets, but
even where the internal pointers were mentioned, it didn't say each CA
and CI was written as empty when defined. Just explained what was
there in each CI.
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
shmuel+...@patriot.net wrote:
In
dc74548a025aff4a85f46926802a9b230a24c...@chsa1035.share.beluni.net,
on 06/03/2013
at 12:17 PM, Hunkeler Peter (TLSG 4)
peter.hunke...@credit-suisse.com said:
I was more looking for something to help
Perhaps the citation looked for is:
=
SPEED|RECOVERY
Specifies whether the data component's control areas are to be preformatted
This parameter is only considered during the actual loading (creation) of a
data
set. Creation occurs when
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