http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_(programming_language)#History
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:11 AM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote:
Gerhard,
I wonder why the government chose Ada...?
Scott ford
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'Infinite wisdom through infinite means'
On Sep
On 30/09/2013 2:11 PM, Mike Schwab wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_(programming_language)#History
There is no doubt that Ada is a much, much better programming language
then PL/I, C, COBOL etc. It's lack of popularity is probably due to
the substantial inertia of it's peers, ala
Yep, I compared the assembler listings. The result was that there was no
difference in code so that SPLEVEL SET=6 had no effect for this particular
program. I wanted to get rid of this ancient setting. So I happily did set
the SPLEVEL to 6.
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Thanks, Manfred
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 9:05 PM,
I agree fully that there is nothing to worry about. However, for the
existing program I do not want to bother with ARCHLVL setting as it
requires me to analyze all code changes resulting from ARCHLVL=2.
However, for new programs I will take over your suggestion in the previous
post.
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Subject: Re: COBOL problem (not really), but sort of.
Thanks. I'll point him to it. He
Michael G Phillips wrote:
Thanks. I'll point him to it. He has already, somewhat jokingly, said fix
it! But COBOL doesn't have the DWIW (Do What I Want) verb.
I'm still waiting for the DWIT (Do What I'm Thinking) and RAE (Remove All
Errors) instructions... ;-)
Add this action: WF (Wait
An ARR is nothing more than a fast ESTAEX. Anything you can do in one you
can do in the other.
So the question morphs into what can you do with an ESTAEX or an ARR.
As with any recovery routine (including an FRR), as Binyamin noted, you
identify what to dump by requesting the dump (with
On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 00:40:01 -0400, Thomas Kern tlk_sysp...@yahoo.com wrote:
I like to account for four different types of service time for SLAs.
Scheduled Maintenance Windows: These are predefined, scheduled,
well-publicized and should not count against an SLA.
Scheduled Outages: These are
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 21:59:32 -0500, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote:
(And I still see no good explanation of why data set names beginning
with a period are prohibited, at least by JCL.)
This is just wild speculation on my part, but maybe IBM is considering a future
change to the rule
I am sure that outsourced security varies in quality and
effectiveness, as does perforce 'outsourced' auditing.
My now extended observation of it in several mainframe shops has not,
however, been encouraging.
Exclusive preoccupation with security seems to lead ineluctably to
rigid, rote, highly
David,
I am not familiar with Ada, interesting have written C,Cobol,PL/1 . ADA like
other languages sounds like it has it strengths.
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
from my IPAD
'Infinite wisdom through infinite means'
On Sep 30, 2013, at 2:25 AM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com wrote:
I am a full-time mainframe (RACF) security engineer (I hate that term...) and
have been for almost nine years.
Prior to that, I was a zOS (MFT, SVS, MVS, OS390, XA, ESA, etc.) systems
programmer for approximately 30 years (for two very large companies that each
have a 3-letter name).
IHMO, I
On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 09:10:00 -0400, John Gilmore wrote:
I am sure that outsourced security varies in quality and
effectiveness, as does perforce 'outsourced' auditing.
In fact, the rationale of dissolving collusions was suggested to
me decades ago, by someone unfamiliar with IT, in the context
I do not know Randall Gross personally, and it was anyway no part of
my intent to impugn the competence of any particular mainframe
security specialist. I indeed made it clear that I judge that the
effectiveness of such groups varies widely.
I am nevertheless unrepentent about my view that most
Wouldn't SETRP DUMP=YES,DUMPOPX= be the preferred method than SDUMPX? The
original request was about ARR in a PC routine. It should automatically include
the primary, home and secondary address spaces. In addition, wouldn't it have
the SDWA directly available when accessing the dump? Are there
John,
Actually, I do agree with you, and no offense was taken.
\
Interestingly enough, when I was interviewing here, it was for a
sysprog opening.
After being interviewd by the sysprog manager and the VP of operations,
I had a final interview with the CIO.
John Gilmore wrote:
I am sure that outsourced security varies in quality and effectiveness, as
does perforce 'outsourced' auditing.
True.
Exclusive preoccupation with security seems to lead ineluctably to rigid,
rote, highly standardized measures that make systems increasingly awkward and
The things Binyamin and Peter have been saying are useful, but I have
a rooted preference for making some attempts at recovery in an ARR.
A dump after this attempt or these attempts fail is fine; a case can
indeed be made for taking the dump before the waters are too much
muddied by failed
Actually in some circles ADA is the ONLY language. Talk to the embedded
systems people. Unless things have changed quite a bit in the past 6 years or
so, ADA is heavily used in airplanes, etc.
Lloyd
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To:
$TJOBCLASS(T),XEQMEMBER(V341)=MAX=0
returns:
/HASP003 RC=(08),T
/HASP003 RC=(08),T JOBCLASS(T) XEQMEMBER(V341) MAX - VALUE IS
/HASP003 OUTSIDE NUMERICAL RANGE, RANGE IS
/HASP003 (1-4294967295)
Pascal is like an improved PL/I, Ada is an improved Pascal.
On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote:
David,
I am not familiar with Ada, interesting have written C,Cobol,PL/1 . ADA like
other languages sounds like it has it strengths.
Scott ford
Abend diagnostics and abend recovery are equally important in abend recovery.
Implementing both is certainly recommended. This is simply a question about
obtaining dumps as part of the diagnostics.
Jon Perryman
From: John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com
The
John:
That's typical for my experience in large shops. Unfortunately I think people
in large environments get more specialized.
Scott J Ford
Software Engineer
http://www.identityforge.com/
From: John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com
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Wouldn't SETRP DUMP=YES,DUMPOPX= be the preferred method than
SDUMPX? The original request was about ARR in a PC routine. It
should automatically include the primary, home and secondary address
spaces. In addition, wouldn't it have the SDWA directly available
when accessing the dump? Are
On 2013-09-30 16:40, Mike Schwab wrote:
Pascal is like an improved PL/I, Ada is an improved Pascal.
I would rather say that Pascal is a very inferior copy of PL/I.
Robert
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On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote:
On 29 Sep 2013 22:13:02 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
John,
Yeah, there are still a ton of Cobol shops and not many young bucks and does
wanting to learn it ..sorry play on words
There may be a ton of shops but are there paying jobs in them or have
they been outsourced to lower
On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 09:53:38 -0700 Jon Perryman jperr...@pacbell.net wrote:
:Abend diagnostics and abend recovery are equally important in abend recovery.
Implementing both is certainly recommended. This is simply a question about
obtaining dumps as part of the diagnostics.
I am pretty sure
On Sep 30, 2013, at 4:11 PM, Robert Prins robert.ah.pr...@gmail.com wrote:
Pascal is like an improved PL/I, Ada is an improved Pascal.
I would rather say that Pascal is a very inferior copy of PL/I.
Pascal was written by Niklaus Wirth as a teaching language to instruct
programmers in the
I am most inclined to 'pontificate' in a thread after it appears to me
that all the voyage of its life is bound in shallows.
John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA
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I remember in the fall of 1975 taking a PL/I class at THE Ohio State
University - the instructor was confident that by 1980 - COBOL and Fortran
would not exist outside of museums ...PL/I was THAT good ...
(and he MIGHT have been right - had there not been such an overwhelming legacy
of code in
I would amend Curtis Pew's language with just one word, that shown in
majuscules below
Pascal was writtern by Niklaus Wirth as a teaching langjuage to
instruct NOVICE programmers in the principles of structured
programming.
It is much concerned to interdict practices, e.g., GOTOs or
On Mon, 2013-09-30 at 19:40 +, Pew, Curtis G wrote:
Tony Hoare once said, The amazing thing about Algol was it was such
an improvement over most of its successors.
Not having a defined I/O facility didn't help Algol. An undergraduate
prof of mine (George Haynam, did the SDS Algol 60
Might I give an example, from some things I have done in VSE to MVS migrations?
Come to think of it, in just MVS systems where the security system was not
strong.
DSN='.TAPE.FILE.A12345' will match the DSN on a tape label having the same
content (forgive me if I miscounted, the data set name
ALGOL was the first high-level language I learned, on a Burroughs B5500.
I liked it a lot, except that it was special character happy, using the full
64-character set found on the model 029 129 keypunches.
The college only had four 029's (that students could use) but they had a bunch
of
On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 15:55:14 -0400, John Gilmore wrote:
[Pascal] is much concerned to interdict practices, e.g., GOTOs or
unconditional branches, that it deems 'unstructured' or 'anarchic'.
Pascal has GOTO. Dismayingly, statement labels are numeric,
perhaps a legacy of FORTRAN (and ALGOL 60).
I got this email in and was wondering if anyone had an insight what
it might be about...
Every day, we create 2.5 quintillion bytes of data—so much that 90%
of the data in the world today has been created in the last two years
alone. This data comes from everywhere: sensors are used to
Many C dialects do support long jumps as a language extension.
They began in PL/I where they were/are called out-of-block GOTOs.
PL/I's used of contextually recognized instead of reserved words is a
high virtue. It is often caricatured as permitting constructs like
declare file file record
The problem with the absence of I/O facilities in ALGOL 60 was not
perhaps their absence per se as that what was invariably picked up and
used to make good this deficiency was FORTRAN I/O.
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John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA
On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 16:51:29 -0400, John Gilmore wrote:
Many C dialects do support long jumps as a language extension.
As a language extension, or via functions? (Some purists make a
distinction. But it can't be done with functions without depending
on out-of-band knowledge of the stack
PL/I has the data types label constant and label variable and of
course permits them to be passed as arguments. (The PL/I mapping of
{formal parameter, actual parameter} is {parameter, argument}.) I
use such a label in, for example, a routine that searches a binary
tree recursively With
I do not like changing the actual time value, if the Scheduled Outage is
one hour, it is reported as One Hour, but all parties concerned
understand that that is not as impacting as a one hour Unscheduled
Outage which gives no one any warning.
I also leave it up to the management negotiators
On 30 September 2013 10:43, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote:
I am not sure just how 'staggering vacations in financial
institutions' dissolves collusions. It may well prevent them during
the interval when either of, say, two colluders is vacationing; but
there would still be ample
On 9/30/2013 5:27 PM, John McKown wrote:
teach them to be good programmers. They can and usually do write
opaque, turgid routines in both.
Yes, the old You can write FORTRAN in any language.
When I first migrated to OS/360 from the 7094, I wrote a small
flowcharting program (manual
On 9/30/2013 5:17 PM, Gerhard Postpischil wrote:
the early versions of PL/I were atrocious; e.g., changing a bit flag
resulted in a subroutine call rather than one or two instructions in-line.
Later PL/I versions did a great job optimizing and formed the basis for
today's ultra-smart IBM
Just curious if any one has experience with a DLm2100 with a DD4500 for the
Mainframe? I need to know any lessons learned.
Any things to watch out for? Any performance considerations? I/O Gen
considerations?
I do not find a lot of details on how the device works with internet searches.
Any
use $TJOBCLASS(0),QAFF=-SYSA ===system affinity for class=0 ..so in
jesplex SYSA will not run any job in class 0 managed by wlm.
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A quick read of the manual suggests you have missed a set of () in your
command. Have you tried:
$TJOBCLASS(T),XEQMEMBER(V341)=(MAX=0)
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On 1/10/2013 5:11 AM, Robert Prins wrote:
On 2013-09-30 16:40, Mike Schwab wrote:
Pascal is like an improved PL/I, Ada is an improved Pascal.
I would rather say that Pascal is a very inferior copy of PL/I.
I would have to humbly disagree. Pascals type system alone is far
superior. I
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