Re: WTO confusion

2013-12-20 Thread Hunkeler, Peter
WTO is a lazy way to write something without all those OPEN/WRITE/PUT/CLOSE macros. ;-) WTO / WTOR is the means to communicate with the operator, either human or automated. The system provides that communication path. It does not need an setup on the program / JCL side. It should not be

Re: WTO confusion

2013-12-20 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Hunkeler, Peter wrote: WTO is a lazy way to write something without all those OPEN/WRITE/PUT/CLOSE macros. ;-) Did you see my smiley? ;-) Really, when I write a brand new program, I sometimes use WTO for debugging purposes during development, say for example, to see whether a branch or

HPU and zIIP overload

2013-12-20 Thread R.S.
The following scenario: an LPAR wirth 5 CPs and single zIIP. Some HPU job causes 100% utilization of zIIP, other HPU tasks wait until zIIP gets free cycles. What's strange IMHO: the jobs do not try to consume CP cycles. It's good, because of SCRT reports, from the other hand it's bad, because

Re: APF authorization and JOBLIB DD card

2013-12-20 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 00:58:00 +, Blaicher, Christopher Y. wrote: Because the search is STEPLIB first, JOBLIB second (or first if no STEPLIB) ... Really? I thought that JOBLIB was ignored if there is a STEPLIB. -- Tom Marchant

Re: HPU and zIIP overload

2013-12-20 Thread Hunkeler, Peter
Yes, IIPHONORPRIORITY is your way to allow or disallow zIIP work to be run on CPs in scenarios as you describe. -- Peter Hunkeler -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: APF authorization and JOBLIB DD card

2013-12-20 Thread Pommier, Rex
Tom, You are correct, if the STEPLIB exists, the JOBLIB is ignored. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 7:49 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: APF authorization

Re: APF authorization and JOBLIB DD card

2013-12-20 Thread Blaicher, Christopher Y.
You are correct. Chris Blaicher Principal Software Engineer, Software Development Syncsort Incorporated 50 Tice Boulevard, Woodcliff Lake, NJ 07677 P: 201-930-8260  |  M: 512-627-3803     E: cblaic...@syncsort.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: APF authorization and JOBLIB DD card

2013-12-20 Thread Lizette Koehler
Could someone point out the manual that states if a Steplib is present the Joblib is ignored? I found this in the following manual and it does not lead me to the conclusion you have stated LLA and Module Search Order z/OS V1R12.0 MVS Initialization and Tuning Guide SA22-7591-08 When a

Re: APF authorization and JOBLIB DD card

2013-12-20 Thread Mark Jacobs
From the JCL Reference manual; 13.3.5 Relationship of a STEPLIB to a JOBLIB Use a JOBLIB DD statement to define a private library that the system is to use for an entire job. If you include a JOBLIB DD statement for the job and a STEPLIB DD statement for an individual job step,

Re: APF authorization and JOBLIB DD card

2013-12-20 Thread Lizette Koehler
Mark, Thanks. That explains the confusion. In the JCL manual it says ignore, however in the INIT and TUNING, it does not clearly state it is ignored. I will do some testing. I was always told STEPLIB then JOBLIB without any qualifications. Lizette -Original Message- From: IBM

Re: CA Top secret to RACF conversion

2013-12-20 Thread Tony Babonas
My previous company went through a TS to RACF conversion back in '05. We engaged IBM to do aid the effort and based on my experience and results I would recommend them. There are other companies that can and would do this conversion so it might pay to shop around. I have known of a few (no

Re: HPU and zIIP overload

2013-12-20 Thread Martin Packer
Am on vacation but briefly... ... If you are on DB2 10 or later then DBM1 uses zIIP for Prefetch and Deferred Write engines. If you saturate the zIIP (from DBM1's perspective) you stop DB2 dead(ish). That could explain the HPU jobs not getting to try to use CPU. IIPHONORPRIORITY can affect

Re: APF authorization and JOBLIB DD card

2013-12-20 Thread John Gilmore
The last time I looked at the text Lizette quotes was a long time ago, and its current version contains the subtext begin extract from extract The directory is located on DASD with the data set, and is updated whenever the module is changed. The directory entry contains information about the

Re: APF authorization and JOBLIB DD card

2013-12-20 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 07:28:49 -0700, Lizette Koehler wrote: Thanks. That explains the confusion. In the JCL manual it says ignore, however in the INIT and TUNING, it does not clearly state it is ignored. I will do some testing. I was always told STEPLIB then JOBLIB without any qualifications.

Re: APF authorization and JOBLIB DD card

2013-12-20 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 09:34:15 -0500, John Gilmore wrote: The last time I looked at the text Lizette quotes was a long time ago, and its current version contains the subtext begin extract from extract The directory is located on DASD with the data set, and is updated whenever the module is

Re: APF authorization and JOBLIB DD card

2013-12-20 Thread Lizette Koehler
And the other question is If I have a STEPLIB and a JOBLIB and the module I need is only in the JOBLIB, would not the step with the STEPLIB looking for that module fail? //JOBLIB DD DSN=MYLOAD.LIB,DISP=SHR Module XYZ resides here //S1 EXEC PGM=XYZ //STEPLIB DD DISP=SHR,DSN=APPL.LIB

Re: APF authorization and JOBLIB DD card

2013-12-20 Thread Steve Comstock
On 12/20/2013 7:50 AM, Lizette Koehler wrote: And the other question is If I have a STEPLIB and a JOBLIB and the module I need is only in the JOBLIB, would not the step with the STEPLIB looking for that module fail? //JOBLIB DD DSN=MYLOAD.LIB,DISP=SHR Module XYZ resides here //S1

Re: CA Top secret to RACF conversion

2013-12-20 Thread Burrell, C. Todd (CDC/OCOO/OCIO/ITSO) (CTR)
When we did our conversion we would have been able to answer 3 of these questions as YES. Number 3 was a strong MAYBE. The main reason we did all of the work ourselves was that the customer agreed to let us get rid of Top Secret in lieu of RACF, but they were not willing to spend any money.

Re: APF authorization and JOBLIB DD card

2013-12-20 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 00:38:57 -0600, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: Pommier, Rex wrote: Since I'm the OP, here is the detail of what has me so confused. [ ... snipped ... ] I'm also confused, but before you follow Jim Mulder's recommendation, could you perhaps reread in 'MVS Initialization and

Re: APF authorization and JOBLIB DD card

2013-12-20 Thread Skeldum, William
I just ran a test, and if a STEPLIB is present JOBLIB is definitely ignored. This works: //XYZ002 JOB 'BILL SKELDUM',MSGCLASS=H,CLASS=A,NOTIFY=SYSUID //JOBLIB DDDISP=SHR,DSN=XYZ.LOADLIB //STEP1 EXEC PGM=HELLO This gets an 806 abend: //wyz002 JOB 'BILL

Re: WTO confusion

2013-12-20 Thread Tim Deller
File 127 at cbttape.org contains a handy macro named SYSPUT. Just code the macro in your working storage; then when you want to write a line; load the address of the line in R1 and BAL R14 to the macro tag. The specified dcb (automagically defined within the macro) is opened at first use. The

Re: APF authorization and JOBLIB DD card

2013-12-20 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 12/20/2013 6:28 AM, Lizette Koehler wrote: I was always told STEPLIB then JOBLIB without any qualifications. This was discussed in another thread just last month. TCBJLB contains zero or points to an open DCB for either JOBLIB or STEPLIB -- not both. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software

Re: APF authorization and JOBLIB DD card

2013-12-20 Thread Peter Relson
OIDEBFLGS1,DEBAPFIN TURN ON APF LIBRARY BIT If you have enough control over your system not to have to worry about this blatant system integrity exposure, then why would you not just make the data set APF authorized? ADRNAPF Regarding ADNAPF(64), yes they exist. And if you don't know

Re: APF authorization and JOBLIB DD card

2013-12-20 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 12/20/2013 7:22 AM, Peter Relson wrote: Does it matter, for the purpose of this discussion, that if the module exists both in (unauthorized) joblib/steplib and the lnklst, the fetch will succeed? For LNKAUTH=LNKLST, the only time you get the 306 is when the module exists only in an

Re: APF authorization and JOBLIB DD card

2013-12-20 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 07:51:12 -0800, Ed Jaffe wrote: I used to erroneously believe CSV would abend306 immediately when it found an unauthorized (spoofed?) copy, and years later discovered (the hard way - surely my fault for not reading the book carefully enough) that it simply ignores them until

Re: APF authorization and JOBLIB DD card

2013-12-20 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 12/20/2013 8:00 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 07:51:12 -0800, Ed Jaffe wrote: I used to erroneously believe CSV would abend306 immediately when it found an unauthorized (spoofed?) copy, and years later discovered (the hard way - surely my fault for not reading the book

Re: APF authorization and JOBLIB DD card

2013-12-20 Thread John Gilmore
Your RCF? Yes. To the contention that RMODE is something of an indicator of [loaded] location in virtual storage my response would be that it is a quondam indicator, but that providing support for the the value RMODE=ANY emptied it of any such indicative content. About JOBLIB and STEPLIB usage

Re: APF authorization and JOBLIB DD card

2013-12-20 Thread Pommier, Rex
Peter, The way I'm reading your explanation below, if I have program ABCDE that needs to run APF authorized, and it is sitting both in the LNKLST and in an unauthorized JOBLIB/STEPLIB, the system will skip loading the unauthorized module from STEPLIB and load the authorized version from

Absolute Capping and Flash 131220

2013-12-20 Thread Ed Jaffe
I assume by now everyone has seen Flash 131220 describing the not-yet-fixed bug with Absolute Capping and LPAR deactivation. I'm somewhat embarrassed to admit that I had not heard of Absolute Capping before now, even though this feature is on our machine. :-[ After reading about it, I really

Re: APF authorization and JOBLIB DD card

2013-12-20 Thread Jim Mulder
The way I'm reading your explanation below, if I have program ABCDE that needs to run APF authorized, and it is sitting both in the LNKLST and in an unauthorized JOBLIB/STEPLIB, the system will skip loading the unauthorized module from STEPLIB and load the authorized version from LNKLST?

Re: Absolute Capping and Flash 131220

2013-12-20 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2013-12-20 18:17, Ed Jaffe pisze: I assume by now everyone has seen Flash 131220 describing the not-yet-fixed bug with Absolute Capping and LPAR deactivation. I'm somewhat embarrassed to admit that I had not heard of Absolute Capping before now, even though this feature is on our

Re: APF authorization and JOBLIB DD card

2013-12-20 Thread Pommier, Rex
Jim, I stand 'slightly' corrected. Module SS14RC02 isn't in a LNKLST library, it is in the LPA. Module SS14A32 is in the LNKLST and that's the module my job abended on in my second attempt. I just got off the phone with SyncSort support and worked through the issue. While it doesn't

Re: WTO confusion

2013-12-20 Thread zMan
Thanks all...I will consider doing it right. At the very least, I'll stop looking for another way! On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 7:12 AM, Tim Deller ists...@bonton.com wrote: File 127 at cbttape.org contains a handy macro named SYSPUT. Just code the macro in your working storage; then when you want

Re: APF authorization and JOBLIB DD card

2013-12-20 Thread Jim Mulder
I stand 'slightly' corrected. Module SS14RC02 isn't in a LNKLST library, it is in the LPA. Module SS14A32 is in the LNKLST and that's the module my job abended on in my second attempt. I just got off the phone with SyncSort support and worked through the issue. While it doesn't

Re: APF authorization and JOBLIB DD card

2013-12-20 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I started as a JCL-Jockey in 1981. This APF stuff seemed straight-forward back then. Why is it difficult for seasoned types 32 years later? - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -Original Message- From: Jim Mulder d10j...@us.ibm.com Sender: IBM Mainframe

Re: CA Top secret to RACF conversion

2013-12-20 Thread Brian Westerman
Hey, I'm one of those consultants.:) I have performed this conversion more than 50 times for customers, and I can tell you that there are a lot of areas that you need to address. On the other hand, ther eis a good chance (depending on a lot of factors) that it might not really be that hard