Re: Some fun with IBM acronyms and jargon (was Re: Auditors Don't Know Squat!)

Scott Fagen wrote at length about PMR/APAR/PTF. One thing I've found interesting after 25+ years at various vendors is that IBM's model seems to work the best in the real world: Multiple PMRs can funnel into one APAR; one APAR can funnel into multiple PTFs. If an APAR is taken and turns out to

Re: The IBM zEnterprise EC12 announcment

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 6:27 AM, Alvaro Guirao Lopez alvarogui...@gmail.com wrote: I did'nt see it, but I understand EC12 means Enterpise Class 12 (why 12?) 12 comes after 11, and while the z196 wasn't called the z-anything-11, it logically was. I think we can safely consider the z196 naming

Re: how do you answer the My job is too important to follow normal channels for help statement?

ObAnecdote: A long time ago (17 years), the small software company where I worked was finally connected to the nascent Internet, at a blazing 9600bps. We had a tiny web server running on (then) VM/ESA, serving a static page. The Senior VP of Marketing came by my office and asked if I knew

Blame the COBOL, how cliché

http://preview.reuters.com/2013/7/9/wounded-in-battle-stiffed-by-the-pentago n So the reason the payroll system is broken is because COBOL is “old”? Sheesh. That’s really weak… Oy, and they tried PeopleSoft as a replacement…

Funny problem report

A customer report came in through our answering service: Jobs are blowing OC poor events. After the predictable Huh?, we asked the customer, who said That's 'throwing 0C4 ABENDs'. Doh. Hey, it was close.sort of. -- For

IBM APA

Anyone making heavy use of IBM APA (vs. Strobe)? I've used it a bit, and it seems OK, but I suspect I'm barely breaking the surface. Would be interested in any war/success stories. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive

Re: Lack of IBM development resources [was:RE: PFA (Now, an HZR subject)]

Farley, Peter wrote: This is a question that has been on my mind for some time now while perusing responses like yours and others from the IBMer's who monitor this list. The consistent message seems to be that mainframe development resources are very constrained, so only the most important/most

Buying desktop software from IBM

In the checkout process, it wants to know my Communication Language and my Media Language. For the latter, choices include: Australian English British English Eastern European English English International English US English I'd be hard-pressed to choose among several of those.or to even

Re: Special characters for Passwords

Clark Morris wrote, in part: Another thing that has always baffled is the idea that even if I have a strong password that is NOT written down, I still should change it once a month. If the site I am logging into enforces good management by locking the account after say 5 attempts in 15 minutes

Re: Special characters for Passwords

John Gilmore's post said most of what mine said, but in many fewer words. Well put. (OK, mine might have been more *fun*...) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: Special characters for Passwords

Joel C. Ewing wrote: The RSA device that we used for remote access was user-specific and clock-synced. To access the corporate VPN you had to supply your network userid, and the user-specific pseudo-random numeric password displayed by your RSA card. The pseudo-random password changed every

Re: Beginners question about SHARE

Lizette Koehler wrote: Or you could write or call Share directly for friendly answers Only I wouldn't expect a prompt answer from SHARE HQ with the conference just a few weeks away. I've been trying to get an answer to a question for several days now, no response. Unfortunately, this is

Re: Beginners question about SHARE

Shmuel wrote: As to the web site, it stinks, but is no worse than 99% of the other web sites that I've seen. Gresham's law applies. I guess I'm confused, Shmuel-are you contending that because many web sites suck, it's OK for the SHARE site to suck? Or, based on the reference to Gresham,

Re: Ot: GOOGLE Chrome

This is off-topic and does not belong on this list, any more than gas prices, politics, or LOLCATs. If I wanted to read about basic Windows issues, I'd subscribe to a basic Windows list. I know Ted meant well, but that doesn't make it appropriate.

Re: comparing virtualization

Les Koehler wrote: I've always wondered, and never got around to researching: Can VMWare or VMBox do the instruction level debugging that CP can? I doubt it—that debugging uses hardware facilities (PER). (“Why would you need that? Just use the IDE’s debugger…”) Juarez, David T. noted: z/VM with

Re: Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all

Tom Marchant wrote, re: On an i system (don't get me started on that choice of a name for an operating system) Ok, I'll stir the pot. What's wrong with iSeries or System i? Nothing, except that those names are long dead. The System Formerly Known As AS/400 is called IBM i nowadays -

Re: Dualcase vs monocase. Was: Article for the boss...

My favorite part of Token Ring was always getting some Ethernet kid to just plug that cable into a MAU, and watching them jump at the CLICK. For extra credit, I'd sometimes yell, What did you do?!?! if I thought they could handle it. Always good for a laugh.

Re: Not I (was: SAVE macro, I think.)

NOT disagreeing with any of the sentiments, but here's a tiny glimpse into one aspect of the battle. At one point in the early 1990s, whatever IBM PartnerWorld was called at the time went from being no-charge to $5,000 per year. We signed up, having no real choice. One of the touted benefits

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

Ed Gould wrote: Just remember in the olden days that bytes cost money (either in storage or in memory). I actually had to work on a software set of programs (system) that stripped the sign off of all dates and money they were assumed to be positive). Right, S/360 memory was a buck a byte (at

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+...@patriot.net wrote: I seriously doubt that transportation was a significant part of the cost back when core was $0.25/bit. Also, the manual threading of the wires was only practical for small memories with large core sizes;

Re: z13 unanswered question.

Notwithstanding the BC/Bitcoin humor, no, IBM said there will be no EC/BC distinction. Part of this announcement is simplification-no EC/BC, no System z vs. zEnterprise. This is a good thing. Now if IBM can just get people to stop saying zSeries (now dead for a decade!). Of course, there are

RCF vs. COMMENT (was: IGW01595E message ...)

Paul Gilmartin wrote: They say is has been accepted as a clarification. They've not provided details in response to a followup request.) Hey, at least you got that much—I opened a SEV2 against a math function in C that was returning incorrout on true 64-bit values (i.e., values where the

RACF POSIT follies

Spent time with a customer today on a RACF issue. Long story short: They had chosen an unused POSIT, only it turned out that it was secretly in use by CADB2 (whichever tool THAT is). Listing POSITs with Vanguard did NOT show it. We only discovered this because, while Easter Egging, we changed

Re: RACF POSIT follies

I should state explicitly that Vanguard was NOT the problem: it was the solution! It's a great tool, and both the Vanguard tools and the efforts of some folks there were instrumental in getting us to a solution. Apologies if anyone thought I was calling them out in a negative light-it was so

Re: RACF POSIT follies

Pommier, Rex wrote, on IBM-MAIN, in response to What is 'Easter Egging'?: Easter Egging in the more general sense is trying to fix something by randomly replacing elements when you don't have any idea what to fix and hoping you get the right thing. Based on the custom in various parts of the

Iowa Spent $50 Million to Lure IBM. Then the Firings Started

Ouch. From Bloomberg, May 19, 2015: Five years after bringing high-tech jobs to the Midwestern states of Iowa and Missouri, International Business Machines Corp. has fired half its workers there –sowing ire and disappointment for locals and officials alike. To read the entire article, go to

Simple assembler question

With all of the 273 new formats of LOAD, I assume this is hiding in there somewhere: I have a value in grande register 3. I need the high-order bits in 32-bit R0 and the low-order bits in 32-bit R15. What's the simplest/fastest way to achieve this? I have no writable memory available.

Re: Simple assembler question

Chuck wrote: >I would consider something like this: >LR R15,R3 Copy low 32-bits to R15 >SRLGR0,R3,32Copy upper 32-bits to R0 >You may want to add an SR or XR for register 0 and 15 prior to the above two instructions if you want to make sure of

Re: Simple assembler question

Thanks to all who replied; the use case is returning a 64-bit value to a C function, which LE does by putting the top half in R0 and the bottom half in R15. Which is weird but is how it’s done. So I don’t much care about the top halves, nor bit 0 of the 32-bit register, but thanks for the

Re: Man Versus System

John McKown wrote, re TPF: >I worked at Braniff Airways before it went under. The reservation system >ran ACP on a 2 Meg 3033. The thing would IPL in about 5 seconds. The ACP >systems people were a bit strange. They had the source and modified it. I >remember the CE complaining that the ACP

Re: Identifying creator of SMF records

Charles Mills wrote: >230 is probably ACF2 if that is a possibility. >210 might be Voltage if that is a possibility. The Voltage SMF records are 229 by default, though this is configurable. Close, Charles! .phsiii --

Re: Identifying creator of SMF records

Dale R. Smith wrote: >Hey Phil! Shouldn't they be 220?! :-)> 220, 221, whatever it takes. Actually, 229 = decimal for the letter V in EBCDIC. Seemed appropriate. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: Lineage of TPF

Gregg wrote: >ACP/TPF/zTPF on silicon/in LPar is one thing, as a guest on VM (test) is >something other. No? Um. No? Yes? Maybe? Are you saying that it has a different lineage when run under z/VM? Then "No". That certain operational characteristics will vary? Sure. But

Re: Dumb TSO Rexx question

From: Phil Smith III [mailto:li...@akphs.com] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 7:03 PM To: ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu Subject: Dumb TSO Rexx question I have a TSO Rexx program; let's call it CALLER. I want to call another; let's call it SECOND. This doesn't work: address tso 'EXEC SECOND' I can see

Re: Dumb TSO Rexx question

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Scott Ford > wrote: >Heres what I do on OpenSuse 13.1 x64: LET THE REXX PROGRAMMING STYLE WARS BEGIN :) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe /

Dumb TSO Rexx question

I have a TSO Rexx program; let's call it CALLER. I want to call another; let's call it SECOND. This doesn't work: address tso 'EXEC SECOND' I can see that I can do a PARSE SOURCE and build the full library name, e.g., 'EXEC SOME.LIBRARY(SECOND', but should I have to do that? Seems very

VINPUT VMSG and VINPUT PVMSG

All the doc says PVMSG is a "priority" message. But nowhere have I found an explanation of what "priority" means here. Anyone? .phsiii P.S. When that command was introduced back in VM/XA SP (I think) I was working at VM Systems Group, commonly known as VMSG, so we were quite pleased to see

Re: 64-bit caller and VL-bit

Wow. Thanks to all who replied! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

64-bit caller and VL-bit

How does a 64-bit caller indicate the end of a variable parameter list? I've done some Googling; the closest I've come to a real answer is https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.ie aa700/iea3a7_Description2.htm which says "When using an 8-bytes-per-entry

Re: can a program determine the capacity setting of a z-box?

Assuming what you want to know is MSU counts (not clear to me from the discussion so far), here's a Rexx snippet to show you those for the CEC and the LPAR: /* REXX -- Looks at memory and displays MSU counts */ z = c2d(storage(d2x(c2d(storage(d2x(c2d(storage(10,4))+604),4))+228),4)) say

Re: can a program determine the capacity setting of a z-box?

Charles Mills wrote: > VSE (as the OP wanted) or only z/OS? Oops. I didn't notice that. Never mind. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO

Interesting (?) 64-bit assembler surprise

Doing a STORAGE OBTAIN in 64-bit mode: STORAGE OBTAIN,LENGTH=WORKLEN + CNOP 0,4 + B IHB0012B .BRANCH AROUND DATA +IHB0012L DC A(WORKLEN) .STORAGE LENGTH +IHB0012F DC BL1'' + DC AL1(9*16)

Re: Interesting (?) 64-bit assembler surprise

Ah.thanks, Rob and Greg! SYSSTATE is it then. Kinda figured it couldn't be this broken-ish. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO

Re: How well does z/OS handle large, but sparse, memory objects?

And z/VM has managed cases like this forever. If you want to learn more, suggest you go to some z/VM sessions at SHARE. Lots of folks there who can speak knowledgably about this. In case this helps, here's a simplified version of how it works: there are segment and page tables. These indicate

Re: smp/e sha-2 support?

Charles Mills wrote: >I suspect you've got a problem, however. There's a saying in sales "when you >explain, you lose." I can hear auditors saying "SHA-1 -- no good -- security >exposure" and I would not want to be the one explaining what you say below >to them. >Perhaps I underestimate IT

Re: Java problem

Rob Schramm offered: >ASSIZE will set the user limit for storage. Set via RACF. Still no, unless I misunderstood (quite possible!): DEFAULT-GROUP=SYS1 PASSDATE=14.197 PASS-INTERVAL=N/A PHRASEDATE=N/A ATTRIBUTES=SPECIAL OPERATIONS ATTRIBUTES=AUDITOR REVOKE DATE=NONE RESUME

Java problem

(Already posted to MVS-OE, should have cross-posted here) We're having a problem with 64-bit Java on our z/OS 1.12 (yeah, I know) system. To wit, the following all work: /u/Java14_31/J1.4/bin/javac -help /u/Java14_64/J1.4_64/bin/javac -help /u/Java5_31/J5.0/bin/javac -help

Re: Java problem

Hmm. Good input, thanks. Either OMVS or SSH produces the error. When run from batch, it seems to work (I say "seems to" because I didn't run it myself, but the job output shows it working). I have a 2.1 system too, so I did D OMVS,L on both. They were quite different, and the high-water mark for

Java on z bitness

(Cross-posted to IBM-MAIN and MVS-OE.) We have a JNI for our product. It lets a 31-bit Java application call into our started task, which uses cross-memory services to fetch data from the caller's address space. Our STC is 31-bit. Now a customer wants to use it in 64-bit Java. I'd'a thunk

Re: Java on z bitness

Tom Marchant wrote: >Why not make your STC run AMODE 64, at least part of the time? It is easy >to switch modes, but you do have to be careful that those programs that run >AMODE 64 save and restore the 64-bit registers. The same with your JNI. It >doesn't have to be "Full 64-bit". Yeah,

Re: Java problem

Scott: >/u/Java6_64/J6.0_64/bin/javac -J-Xmx64m help error: Class names, 'help', are only accepted if annotation processing is explicitly requested 1 error VICTORY: Lucas Rosalen wrote: >H maybe MemLimit and SHMemMax on OMVS segment are also good parms to check/increase Both of mine were 0;

Re: Java problem

P.S. Scott, the same command still failed after -help was working. Do you know what's wrong with it? Would love to grok this in fullness (well, "more completely" -- I know I'll never grok in fullness!) -Original Message----- From: Phil Smith III [mailto:li...@akphs.com] Sent: Sat

CERTAUTH vs SITE vs user certificate

I've never understood how you choose between adding a certificate as CERTAUTH, SITE, or user. And not having a lot of luck Googling for it. Can anyone describe the choice, or point me at something coherent? Thanks. -- For

Re: CERTAUTH vs SITE vs user certificate

Dave Gibney wrote: >I could be wrong and I did use CERTAUTH inappropriately (should have been SITE) in the past. >I use: >CERTAUTH to sign other certs. >SITE for SERVERS >User for users :) I like this, Dave-it's certainly coherent and *sounds* logical! So: CERTAUTH - root certs SITE

Re: CERTAUTH vs SITE vs user certificate

Don Grinsell wrote: >In my experience (ACF2) intermediate certs are also inserted using CERTAUTH. Essentially anything in the certificate chain for a SITECERT or USER cert is a CERTAUTH item. As I read and learn more about this, I'm convinced that the above is incorrect. My understanding is

Re: Tesco Now Sell zFrame

Apropos of the zFrame, there's also a zBX mod5 now available: http://tinyurl.com/zbx-005 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO

Re: CERTAUTH vs SITE vs user certificate

>So: >CERTAUTH - root certs >SITE - server leaf certs (and intermediates?) >User - certs used to authenticate users to servers >Anyone want to agree/argue/validate/disprove? Nobody else has any thoughts on this? Surely we aren't the only ones dealing with certificates (well, besides

JOB cards, procs, and TIOTs, o my!

Noticed something odd-ish. If you put a JOB card in a proc, the TIOT is populated differently, yet what SDSF;DA isn't quite what I'd expect. The behavior below has been observed on 1.12 and 2.1, all JES2. That is, given a PROC called MYPROC, with no JOB card and a label of EXECIT on the EXEC PGM=

Re: JOB cards, procs, and TIOTs, o my!

Scott Ballentine wrote: >For your last question, take a look at the JCL Reference. There's a chapter >on started tasks that talks about some of this stuff. (By the way, the doc >uses the term "started job" for what you call a "proc with a JOB card", and >"started proc" for the not-a-JOB

IBM SR process -- brilliant

So today I'm trying to open an ETR. I fight my way to the page, enter the info, and it offers me CANCEL or SAVE AS DRAFT. So I do the latter; that still offers me no way to submit it. I open a help request on the ETR process. First response: they ask me for my email address - VIA EMAIL, with

Re: Mainframe jobs

Clark Morris wrote, in part: >Given the slow and steady attrition of z series shops and movement to >the cloud, I do not believe it. Are the salaries for mainframe >technical people increasing? Are there mass recruitments for COBOL >programmers or increased salaries and contract rates?

Re: IBM SR process -- brilliant

Charles Mills wrote: >I get ICN's from IBM all the time so yes I know exactly what they are. >(Perhaps a different meaning of ICN?) Ah, yes, that's not it. Please try again :) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive

Re: IBM SR process -- brilliant

I have no problem with reusing acronyms. I have a problem with using one that isn't common on a web page, where there's no reason not to spell it out. Lazy and arrogant. But that's the least of the SR pages' problems, so. --

Job postings?

What's the current stance on posting job openings here? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Mainframe jobs

Network World: By some estimates there will be more than 84,000 open positions in this field by 2020. http://www.networkworld.com/article/3161857/hardware/as-baby-boomers-retire- the-shortage-of-mainframe-professionals-grows-more-acute.html Now, that would be nice, but.um.I don't think

Re: IBM's Marissa Mayer moment: Staff ordered to work in one of 6 main offices - or face the axe (2)

Charles Mills wrote: >Yep. If you don't have a clue how to judge their accomplishment at least you can see if they are filling a chair. There was a rumor last year that the CEO of a large company (not IBM, for once) was walking around remote offices and leaving Post-Its on empty chairs that

Re: IBM's Marissa Mayer moment: Staff ordered to work in one of 6 main offices – or face the axe (2)

John McKown noted: >​Lack of loyalty (both ways)​ causes lack of trust. It also, IMO, is why >some people decide to defraud their employers in various ways. A kind of >tit-for-tat where the employee "gets back his own" from the company. >Simplest example: __consistently__ coming in just a bit

Re: GMail vs. COBOL

What the top-posting vs. bottom-posting folks don't seem to recognize is that both have their uses. In a business conversation, a thread may go thru 20 exchanges, and then someone new gets added. That person is going to be completely lost without the history to follow up on, and the existing

DDs in USS?

I have a program that normally runs from batch, but which I'd like to invoke from USS. I can invoke it fine: the catch is that I need another DD defined. Is there a way in a shell script or equivalent to do so? -- For

Re: DDs in USS?

Charles Mills wrote, in part: > If I'm right, then aren't UNIX environment variables the answer? I am not >much of a UNIX guy but can't the shell user set the environment variable >PHIL_HAND=LEFT without upsetting any other applecart, and then your function >could find that environment variable

Re: DDs in USS?

Walt Farrell wrote: >Any random application? Really? >So, how does the issuer of a CICS transaction allocate the DD to affect how >the API call operates? Or the issuer of an IMS transaction? Or the issuer of >an SQL request that invokes a DB2 stored procedure? And John McKown wrote: >Oh,

Re: DDs in USS?

Paul Gilmartin wrote: >How does the cost of running the TIOT compare to getenv()? Really? >Has anyone measured it? And you needn't call getenv(); you can >run the environment passed as a parameter to the program. OK, I admit I haven't measured it. Not sure what "run the environment" means,

Re: DDs in USS?

Paul Gilmartin wrote: >Are you using your DD only as a flag, or do you actually do I/O to it? Flag. It *is* an environment variable, for all practical purposes. OK, so the answers seem to be: 1) Use Rexx + BPXWDYN, which is probably OK, and/or 2) Have the API also do a getenv() if

Re: DDs in USS?

Paul Gilmartin wrote: > Rexx, yes with BPXWDYN. Shell, practically not. Ah, thanks. That looks like at least part of it. > What would you do with a DD if you had one? It's not what I would do with it, it's what something I'm calling would do with it. And Walt Farrell wrote: > More

Re: DDs in USS?

Paul Gilmartin wrote: >"calling" remains ambiguous. It could still refer to: >o The TSO CALL command. >o The Assembler CALL macro. >o The Rexx CALL instruction. >o Or. less precisely, Rexx ADDRESS LINKMVS. >BPXWDYN may solve the last three. The first one is hardest. OK, I've been

Re: LzLabs in ComputerWorld

R.S. wrote, in part: >I'm rather curious about RACF (security? who needs security?), CICS, IMS, etc. Indeed. Though ISTR that one of John Moores' previous efforts was a multi-platform security system, so I'd be willing to bet that they do understand the issue pretty well.

Re: DDs in USS?

Paul Gilmartin wrote: >It's the UNIX way: lotsa little things that connect, or perhaps nest, nicely. >Can we take this out of the hypothetical arena? May I infer that today >the "application" is being happily called from JCL or TSO, and a user who >wishes to enable the option adds a DD

Re: z14 and zBX

R.S. wrote: >IMHO it was a mistake from the begining. >Whenever I asked the question: "what is the difference between zBX and regular 19" rack with blade servers" I heard about Ensemble, OSX, OSM, etc. Customers do not need ensembles. From customer point of view zBX is just rack with servers, but

Re: Sales PDFs - a rant

Nightwatch RenBand wrote: >Yes, PDF's are great and portable, but they are designed for print. >It is high time to come up with something better which will adapt to any >screen format. Print should be secondary these days, I think that's called "HTML". Alas, all too many "web

Re: ShopZ order response

Paul Gilmartin wrote: >Decades ago a rogue co-worker told me that in his previous position he >sometimes distributed shareware. He always asked recipients to supply >a tape to which he could copy. >But each such tape he first copied to one of his tapes. >"I got lots of great software

Re: z14 and zBX

I believe zBX suffered from being too little, too late - if it had been released a decade earlier, it might have been a killer. It was also a fairly narrow solution in terms of what was available to run on it. I also understand that it was dependent on specific hardware (blades), which IBM did

Re: Competent managers (was Re: OT-retirement)

I love it when companies nickel-and-dime on expenses. Do they really think that folks aren't gonna get it back some other way? A friend was once challenged (by Finance, not his manager) over a dime for a pay toilet. His manager came to him and said "Just bury it somewhere else"-he realized it was

Re: IBM 650 wrote fiction?

That wasn't fiction, that was COBOL (cf. "You can write your program in , or you can write a story about your program in COBOL")! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: Keyring content

It seems to me that IBM is taking a purist approach: "You should know who you're talking to". And of course that's hard to argue with from a purist standpoint. But from a pragmatic standpoint, while that's fine *for professionals who are qualified to make that decision*, there's a reason that

More IBM website ****ery

Try this: 1. Visit https://www.ibm.com/events/?lnk=fab%C2%A0 2. Search "z14" Now explain how those results make sense. I reported this, received a response with a link to a z14 Redbook. So even IBM isn't interested in the fact that their website is completely broken. I guess all the

IBM z14 roadshow events

https://www-01.ibm.com/events/wwe/grp/grp304.nsf/EventMain.xsp?OpenPage =ibmzcraftedconversations=en_US -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: whois.ibm.com - gone

Tony Thigpen wrote: >They have really messed up their web sites in the last two years. Using Doc online now just about impossible. And, many times, they don't even give an easy to find PDF download option. (I have found that going back up the manual chain will sometimes give you the option.)

Re: Heretic alert: I really detest TSO REXX (the language)

Heretic indeed! I've been a Rexx user for 35+ years, so I'm at least used to it. Have written entire products in it, published a book about it, so (surprise) I disagree. I believe that Rexx's biggest weakness was that it came from IBM back when IBM was considered Bad by the non-IBM community.

Re: Heretic alert: I really detest TSO REXX (the language)

Gil wrote: >I call that weakness a tie with lack of regular expressions. There's a similar >bias in the IBM community to consider regexen Bad. Well, we could have a whole 'nother thread on whether regex are A Good Thing or not ("now you have two problems" and all that), but actually there

Re: CONTROVERSY! z/OS UNIX: is it an enhancement or a tool of the Devil?

The funny part is, find the most rabid Unix-head you know, and ask why it's A Good Thing that filenames are case-sensitive. In my reasonably extensive experience at playing this game (including 5 years at Linuxcare, with lots of victims), several things were always true: 1) They would assert

Re: Heretic alert: I really detest TSO REXX (the language)

>Does anybody remember what the scripting language was for Amiga? AmigaRexx, yes? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: Heretic alert: I really detest TSO REXX (the language)

Charles wrote, in part: >I wrote a large set of applications in Rexx once. I put all of my "intended >to be global" variable names into a single Rexx variable and exposed it with >Procedure Expose (Rexx_Globals) Yep. That's one of the approaches; I've used that, also used a set of stems:

Re: CONTROVERSY! z/OS UNIX: is it an enhancement or a tool of the Devil?

Gil wrote: >OK. I'll try. Simplicity of specification. Simplicity of implementation. >Filenames are strings. Different strings should refer to different files. Categorical imperative there. Seems…circular. >Consistency. With Binder it's easy enough to create a load module: >

Re: Heretic alert: I really detest TSO REXX (the language)

Charles Mills wrote: >I am definitely a Rexx fan but I have to agree that the necessity for hacks like these does not speak well for the language. Eh, any worse than leading "my" or "h" or whatever TF it is that folks use in whatever those new-fangled languages the kids are using? As Gil

Can a job determine its own WLM priority?

That is, can a job determine what its WLM priority is, and especially whether that changes as it runs? Clearly the real answer is "yes", so this becomes a two-part question: 1) Is there a documented interface? 2) Are there undocumented interfaces? Thanks.

Re: [ISPF-L] Weird thought for ISPF enhancement

At the risk of being called a cynic: Yeah, I’m sure the hundreds of ISPF developers will get right on that. I’m guessing you’re about 30 years late. Which doesn’t make it a bad idea, just… From: ispf-l-l...@nd.edu [mailto:ispf-l-l...@nd.edu] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Tuesday, June

Stupid operator stories (was: Potential stupid question - MSUs)

Interesting discussion, which evokes the following two true storiesT. Story 1: Many years ago, a friend walked into his data center and noticed a message on the system console: will expire in 15 days! He pointed to it and asked the operator something probably starting with "WTF";

Re: Stupid operator stories (was: Potential stupid question - MSUs)

Vernooij, Kees wrote: >I like a product that keeps on saying day after day that it will expire in 15 days. -;) Hah. Lest anyone wonder who is unfamiliar: no, it was counting down each day. When it got to zero, backups wouldn't run. That might be Bad.

Re: SUSE splits from Microfocus

David W Noon wrote: >Some of my old work-mates went: EDS==>HP==>out-the-door. No doubt! As did a lot of other folks. >A lot of the old EDS mainframers were made redundant because HP felt the >mainframe was dead. The mainframe now helps to keep HPE alive. How's that? HPE NonStop isn't

Re: SUSE splits from Microfocus

OK, kids, pay attention, because this will be on the exam. In the beginning, there was Hewlett-Packard, or HP. And HP was formless and huge, and darkness was upon the stock. And the Board made a decision: split the company! And thus was born Hewlett Packard Enterprise (HPE)-no hyphen, and

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