In 51ff03c9.8010...@gmail.com, on 08/05/2013
at 09:45 AM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com said:
I'm not sure but whoever it was knows what they are doing. It's a
very good implementation. It even handles the newline fiasco.
The EBCDIC character that corresponds to an ASCII LF is
In
cae1xxdhuxauskeet8gxeqafkouhpqyy2jc4ttghxd0qk9b+...@mail.gmail.com,
on 08/04/2013
at 03:17 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said:
In fact, in my experience anyway, context almost always
clarifies what is meant. The ambiguity is formal, not substantive.
There is enough substantive
In 8136429985448566.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
08/04/2013
at 03:34 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
... any number of users? Or any number of virtual machines?
In VM a CP user and a virtual machine are equivalent. Besides, adding
the users of an OS in a virtual
In 6327543196613690.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
08/05/2013
at 11:16 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
All of which is comparable to, and irrelevant as, quibbling about
whether, in EBCDIC, x'F1' is a real representation of the CCW to
skip to top-of-form.
Good
In 2883356613158771.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
08/07/2013
at 08:34 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
Alas, IBM developers abandoned this paradigm. One writes to the
operator's console not using QSAM, but WTO; one writes to the TSO
terminal not using QSAM to
In 00d501ce937a$2c525710$84f70530$@mcn.org, on 08/07/2013
at 10:26 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said:
You know, IMHO IBM blew it when the 31-bit thing came along and they
came up with a bunch of design patches to QSAM like the DBCE.
I disagree; I consider the DCB approach superior to
In 12eafe94-906a-4d41-99a7-574060371...@austin.utexas.edu, on
08/07/2013
at 09:22 PM, Pew, Curtis G curtis@austin.utexas.edu said:
I don't have strong feelings about any particular architecture,
but I do think we all have a compelling interest that the number
of common, commercially
In 4781768291563977.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
08/07/2013
at 04:39 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
And I had been misled by chatter I had heard, possibly about the
ECLipz endeavor, the rebuttal of which I failed to notice, to
misbelieve the z has Power at its
In 6599134786195468.wa.zatlas1yahoo@listserv.ua.edu, on
08/07/2013
at 10:24 PM, Ze'ev Atlas zatl...@yahoo.com said:
I wanted to ask, where is EXECIO in the picture and how is it
compares with using stream
EXECIO is a REXX-aware TSO command; it has higher overhead than
equivalent stream
In 5499902479450252.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
08/08/2013
at 11:07 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
On Wed, 7 Aug 2013 16:43:41 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
Alas, IBM developers abandoned this paradigm. One writes to the
operator's console not using
In
f28830408fdcde42acac8c31480ced5988de7c4...@srvexchsp01.cetip.com.br,
on 08/08/2013
at 01:24 PM, Sérgio Lima Costa sergio.co...@cetip.com.br said:
Sorry about this STUPID question.
It would help if you put the question up front and identified the code
of duas.
For a REXX function or
In 013401ce947c$eba46c40$c2ed44c0$@mindspring.com, on 08/08/2013
at 02:19 PM, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com said:
Sergio - you posted to both IBMMAIN and z/VM newsgroups. Are you
doing this under z/VM? Or z/OS?
Each environment will behave differently
There shouldn't be any
In
CAKvHmLtCsh_B8uJmzXVomWVVhOi06p=pwc-o0gvbppc2an2...@mail.gmail.com,
on 08/09/2013
at 04:13 PM, Roberto Halais roberto.hal...@gmail.com said:
We are doing a VSE to z/OS conversion and had to do the following
since we have no source.
Ouch!
We put the phase in a z/os pds member (lrecl 80)
In
of5b623f4f.38249aee-on85257bc6.007f6049-85257bc6.00800...@us.ibm.com,
on 08/13/2013
at 07:17 PM, Peter Relson rel...@us.ibm.com said:
It's surprising to me that simply routing the command causes
a different linklst to be used (guessing the old one).
It should be surprising. It is not
In 7806785360373454.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
08/13/2013
at 03:47 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
I believe SYSPROC, SYSOUT, SYSPRINT, and SYSIN are superfluous.
They are in this case. SYSPROC and SYSEXEC are only needed if you
invoke command procedures (CLIST,
In 6448819105643178.wa.zatlas1yahoo@listserv.ua.edu, on
08/14/2013
at 09:30 PM, Ze'ev Atlas zatl...@yahoo.com said:
limited by their sysprogs
I would have assumed that the systems programmers would be more
interested in PCRE than the applications developers.
HFS
Do you do anything that
In
1324425089-1376535875-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1454793260-@b4.c1.bise6.blackberry,
on 08/15/2013
at 03:04 AM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca said:
NOT set arbitrary rules!
Nothing the OP were suggests that the rules were arbitrary, ore even
that the systems programmers were
In 520c4685.2070...@gmail.com, on 08/15/2013
at 11:09 AM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com said:
Well said! I've been lucky in that I've never worked at a customer
site which had such stupid rules. In fact it's always been the other
way round where the application folks had the power.
In
ofe0653aee.3d63bcdb-on85257bc8.0047b8fd-85257bc8.00480...@us.ibm.com,
on 08/15/2013
at 09:05 AM, Peter Relson rel...@us.ibm.com said:
whether by MGCR(E) or via SDSF
Doesn't SDSF issue an MGCR[E] to process /cmd?
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
Atid/2
In 4987517241938904.wa.rdigestanigmail@listserv.ua.edu, on
08/15/2013
at 02:58 PM, Raul Digestani rdigest...@gmail.com said:
It is possible call a Clist in the form %Clistname from other (main)
Clist?
Well, examples in z/OS TSO/E CLISTs, SA22-7781-05 do so, e.g., 5.4.3
SYSPROC:
IF
In 6ad462b1-fe57-4cd0-99c3-e51ecf16c...@aim.com, on 08/16/2013
at 07:24 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
Which has nothing to do with nesting, CLIST, or TSO; it's simply Rexx
syntax rules,
Not even that; it's a misunderstanding of REXX syntax rules.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.)
In
701042851-1376627055-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-766543157-@b4.c1.bise6.blackberry,
on 08/16/2013
at 04:24 AM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca said:
Just with REXX it must be: %EXEC (or, %CLIST).
Classic misunderstanding of REXX. The expression must *evaluate* to
%foo; the
In 6758925306607968.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
08/16/2013
at 10:40 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
Which I attribute, in turn, to excessive[1] exposure to Assembler's
inconsistent syntax.
It's always a mistake to expect rules for one language to apply to
In 791e2a3e-e500-46bd-98a9-02f34c650...@gmail.com, on 08/18/2013
at 08:48 AM, Louis Losee llo...@gmail.com said:
It is typically a difficult task to get a list of user ids without
read access to the RACF database.
It's easy to approximate.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
In 520f48c1.1010...@bremultibank.com.pl, on 08/17/2013
at 11:56 AM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl said:
Everyone with computer and the db
Presumably the point is that you *don't* have access to his RACF DB.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
Atid/2
In
of3e905769.0a5fdaa3-on88257bce.0050dfe9-88257bce.00537...@sce.com,
on 08/21/2013
at 08:11 AM, Skip Robinson jo.skip.robin...@sce.com said:
Catalog aliases (as opposed to PDS member aliases) have two different
uses.
3. MLA
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
ISO
In
cc42e2f56d60f24fb8a6bcc639d1d96306b4b...@samtcasxmb13.usa.dce.usps.gov,
on 08/21/2013
at 03:39 PM, Hansen, Dave L - Eagan, MN dave.l.han...@usps.gov
said:
Last time I was assembling a CSECT I needed the PARM RENT.
It might be needed in the link step, but in the assembly step it just
turns
In a35b6d08166be34f8e94fe908c14d3c8038...@mihqpwexmb01.aaa-acg.net,
on 08/21/2013
at 08:03 PM, Toole, Michael mto...@aaamichigan.com said:
Reentrant code considerations are contingent on the calling
environment.An exit routine called from the JES2 main task
must be reentrant in the JES2
In
cae1xxdhzntyss_1w68jktuwrcqzy8uvvdaqeymfa6wzojpz...@mail.gmail.com,
on 08/21/2013
at 10:21 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said:
In one shop, call it S to protect the guilty, the applications
programmers were very reluctant, perhaps for sentimental reasons, to
give up using it long
In 1249405589954549.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
08/22/2013
at 05:27 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
A consequence is that DDLIST member search of a mixed catenation will
bypass a UNIX directory and report instead a member in a PDS(E) later
in the catenation,
In
CA+Myz1Xi2WKp7H+pwHve4ZpyvtLAHoED8zzrUu=vcz6nvvt...@mail.gmail.com,
on 08/23/2013
at 07:30 AM, Quasar Chunawala quasar.chunawa...@gmail.com said:
I work as an application programmer with a leading bank on
CICS/Cobol for the past 4 years. Whilst I know, that data on the
mainframe is stored
In 521898ce.8020...@bremultibank.com.pl, on 08/24/2013
at 01:28 PM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl said:
My point is first member does not start on track boundary.
Read his message.
As a proof I presented some data of PDS having 1 dir block and two members.
Specifying 1 directory block
In
cafmxnw+q+q2gj+mrht+ze-rfgtpcwygmep_zkx_e70igein...@mail.gmail.com,
on 08/24/2013
at 04:52 PM, Sam Siegel s...@pscsi.net said:
Hello - I'm experiencing an 46D-18 abend
Where? Providing module.csect+offset would eliminate a lot of
guessing.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and
In 4473679277803350.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
08/25/2013
at 01:39 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
Small wonder old-timers resent the advent of PDSE.
Some do. Some believe that IBM didn't go far enough.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
In cad60d68b445b3b511af79a64d84a...@shedlock.org, on 08/26/2013
at 02:21 PM, George Shedlock geo...@shedlock.org said:
EXECIO * DISKW Pdsout (STEM outstem. FINIS
The * is not equivalent to outstem.0 and the description of FINIS
suggest that you may want it in a separate EXECIO invocation.
In 4868602893006577.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
08/26/2013
at 04:47 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
It should probably be stressed that EXECIO, unlike most Rexx
utilities does not [substitute] the values of any simple symbols in
the tail as described in 2.4.3,
In
CAFMxNWKJXbzsB5OrtaZgREk-bK=kgb_i-kh0tjzuzukbtgg...@mail.gmail.com,
on 08/26/2013
at 10:03 PM, Sam Siegel s...@pscsi.net said:
Below is the module and offset.
Did you search for IEAVTESP+0B3A? Create a PMR? Where is 04D3DA8A? Did
you check the save area chain?
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.)
In 8482246969138410.wa.karlheinz.doppelfeldfi...@listserv.ua.edu, on
08/27/2013
at 01:51 AM, Karl-Heinz Doppelfeld karl-heinz.doppelf...@f-i.de
said:
your code is right except your inititialyze for 'outstem.=0'. This
initialyze the complete stem 'outstem.' with '0'
That's only an issue due
In bay170-w14141a07d63910d508a6a4b0...@phx.gbl, on 08/27/2013
at 08:14 AM, Rob JACKSON rwjackso...@msn.com said:
I have received a request for expertise coding REXX and CLISTs to
generate code to delete empty GDG bases.
What's the issue, and why consider clist at this late date?
--
In 8027846442974110.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
08/27/2013
at 07:36 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
Can you explain?
Never mind; the text that I was looking at only applies if the line
count is 0. Sorry for the mistake.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg
In 2436150148124474.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
08/27/2013
at 07:43 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
Would you be thinking of multi-volume?
I was thinking of an equivalent to QPAM in TSS, but using an ACB
interface and an RCI for PDS.
And PDSE might have been a
In 9390988258167395.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
08/27/2013
at 08:33 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
I'm most familiar with address SYSCALL.
Address is a keyword statement, not a REXX utility.
That's one.
No.
That's one. But, right back at you: how many
In
f9bda1112828604888c2c399471141b204628b8...@pgexchis03.co.pg.md.us,
on 08/27/2013
at 10:16 AM, Rouse, Willie wro...@co.pg.md.us said:
I would like to send messages to application owners when critical
jobs fail/abend. I don't know if there is a way to send an SMS
messages from Jes2.
Why not
In
caajsdjg5av6yb9rjqg1kachxzapvcwcz9gzt65srhkyegyf...@mail.gmail.com,
on 08/27/2013
at 12:51 PM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said:
So I thought it might be a good idea to use the CEESGL function to
throw an exception instead of just returning a return code which
could be ignored.
In lcrr19p9rbgguhn83c09ae4cjv3i0km...@4ax.com, on 08/28/2013
at 03:33 PM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com said:
The best principle is the principle of least astonishment - it is
best to not dictate from on high.
That requires a knowledge of the local culture. For COBOL an exception
In
cae1xxdeh6qkeg5pcjj3bi4crh4r86oywyhgagbwj4vcoudv...@mail.gmail.com,
on 08/28/2013
at 11:03 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said:
As Chris Blaicher and Sam Siegel have suggested, PAUSE/RELEASE is
logically complete. Anything that can be accomplished with WAIT/POST
can be accomplished,
In
3ebf9c9d119fd847b3a096c515a018f6949e4...@surfsdvmp35.cnasurety.net,
on 08/29/2013
at 08:48 PM, Pommier, Rex R. rex.pomm...@cnasurety.com said:
OK, what does (did) SEP= do?
Separated allocations on different devices; think of it as the
opposite of AFF.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz,
In
CAE1XxDH4S9kUDN4T=psp43g0n_qpq7vkzo3syjct4z6qvkw...@mail.gmail.com,
on 08/30/2013
at 08:43 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said:
SEP= dates back to the early days of OS/360, and it was then
unproblematic. Device addresses comprised of just three hexadecimal
digits were part numbers,
In 6708946340357622.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
09/02/2013
at 05:13 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
And what's the TU corresponding to PASS?
DALNDISP (0005) and DALCDISP (0006)with value X'02' is close. PASS is
intended for multi-step jobs, and TSO sessions are
In 2d80761c-6295-4519-b8fe-4acc25691...@optonline.net, on 09/03/2013
at 03:28 PM, Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net said:
Is there a way of knowing the currently
Dispatched TCB for the target Address Space in SRB mode
I don't even know what that means. There might be none, one or many
In CCC717517FE24B23A126DDC3AE363D20@ericnbPC, on 09/03/2013
at 05:01 PM, Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com said:
The 2 1410's actually shared a 1310 (I think) disk drive.
1301 or 1302.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel
We
In
caarmm9tsfrlc3zzj2fspy8kmu90crt8j714oxgvijlz7q4y...@mail.gmail.com,
on 09/03/2013
at 10:43 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net said:
But Dynalloc did not exist until MVS,
Not as a supported facility for user code, but it was there for use by
DAIR in TSO. As I recall, the interface was
In 1001144189627242.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
09/03/2013
at 07:30 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
It's logically impossible for JES3 setup to exploit or even
accommodate the newer features of JCL, even dating back to
IF...THEN...ELSE...ENDIF.
Nonsense.
--
In 89229058.74b4.44a3.800c.8809e9102...@aol.com, on 09/04/2013
at 02:58 AM, efinnell15 efinnel...@aol.com said:
I though that went away when they move CI back to MVS?
MVS just split the interpretation code of the R/I into separate
Converter and Interpreter functions. Spelling errors in
In
0539133098161601.wa.elardus.engelbrechtsita.co...@listserv.ua.edu,
on 09/05/2013
at 03:31 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za
said:
You can wish, but big blue wants backward compatibility,
How is that an obstacle? If they do it, I'm sure that there will be a
switch to
In 5227bf91.7010...@aim.com, on 09/04/2013
at 05:17 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
On 1 September 2013 00:51, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
LE gave me WAD with a rationale so outrageous that I gave up in
disgust, making no effort to escalate.
An outrageous rationale is precisely
In p06240805ce4d9305cf4f@[192.168.1.11], on 09/04/2013
at 09:55 PM, Robert A. Rosenberg hal9...@panix.com said:
Except for one MAJOR difference - PASS will leave the tape mounted
(although it might rewind it) while KEEP will unload the tape
Not if you specify RETAIN. Unfortunately, there's
In
2091430682-1378385115-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-518132742-@b4.c1.bise6.blackberry,
on 09/05/2013
at 12:45 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca said:
Who are you to determine the needs of the user (whom you are
[supposedly] supporting).
There's only one user at your shop? Or
In 522b1cbc.1070...@bremultibank.com.pl, on 09/07/2013
at 02:31 PM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl said:
Sometimes you know (or at least you feel) that your system is not
bullteproof. In such case you could do the following: a) make your
system bullteproof. WRONG. Usually you would
In 3044928827063159.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
09/05/2013
at 08:30 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
Wouldn't it be nice to be able not to ABEND, but to checkpoint the
job when it reaches the limlt and allow the user to insert more
coins and continue?
Submit a
In 011401ceaa8d$7b6acab0$72406010$@mcn.org, on 09/05/2013
at 04:13 PM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said:
EST5EDT
Due to parsing ambiguity, that doesn't tell you when to switch.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
ISO position; see
In 0810432924290538.wa.dbohnaegonusa@listserv.ua.edu, on
09/06/2013
at 08:16 AM, Bohn, Dale db...@aegonusa.com said:
The non-loaded class are only supported in the PM3(?) load modules
which the binder will only put into a PDSE.
Don't confuse load modules with program objects. The BINDER
In
4ee2851a2279b94cb70cd69b17410609ae51c...@s1flokydce2kx01.dm0001.info53.com,
on 09/06/2013
at 12:01 PM, Jousma, David david.jou...@53.com said:
A program object is a new style GOOF executable that is the output
from the binder when binding an object module from Enterprise
COBOL V5.1.
No.
In vnetibm.20130907162208.9...@bldgate.vnet.ibm.com, on 09/07/2013
at 09:22 AM, Tom Ross tmr...@stlvm20.vnet.ibm.com said:
No, the COBOL Migration Guide is correct, all COBOL programs
produce GOFF output with COBOL V5, so after Binding you will have
a program object and it must reside in a
In 1378659509.50854.yahoomail...@web181006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com, on
09/08/2013
at 09:58 AM, Jon Perryman jperr...@pacbell.net said:
WOW. How did it use drum as main memmory?
Same way as any other drum computer.
Did it have like 1K of real memory
A drum *is* real memory. In this case, 2K 10
In
cajtoo5-bqbx01z2xwzf_z0eoc5nzua+5pxat6rep1oazzwc...@mail.gmail.com,
on 09/08/2013
at 08:02 AM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tz_database does tell you when to
switch.
The Devil is in the details. The string EST5EDT doesn't have enough
information to
In
4ee2851a2279b94cb70cd69b17410609ae9bb...@s1flokydce2kx01.dm0001.info53.com,
on 09/09/2013
at 11:53 AM, Jousma, David david.jou...@53.com said:
I'm pretty sure that most of them will be converted with a simple
DFDSS job
If there is no PDS sharing across sysplex boundaries.
--
Shmuel
In
CA+Myz1WrTaxPoJk_8ODT4DofHG5L6=zr96bos01nd1atgqh...@mail.gmail.com,
on 09/09/2013
at 10:29 AM, Quasar Chunawala quasar.chunawa...@gmail.com said:
Today, the mainframe staff in any enterprise work on PC running
special software(the terminal emulator) to connect to the *mainframe
server* over
In 5834228785212676.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
09/09/2013
at 09:50 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
Ah! Thermal paper? But that provided me the epiphany that computers
could deal with mixed-case text.
IBM supported mixed-case text well before the TI noisy 700.
In 522dbcd6.9040...@trainersfriend.com, on 09/09/2013
at 06:19 AM, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.com said:
After 38 years of creating and delivering training courses for IBM
mainframe (OS/360 through z/OS) application programmers, The
Trainer's Friend, Inc. is going out of business.
In ce8d5260-340d-4e2b-ace0-46984418d...@optonline.net, on 09/09/2013
at 05:20 PM, Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net said:
So in other words STNSM. AREA,X'FC' before
That affects the PSW of the CPU your code is running on; it doesn't
disable or lock any other CPU.
And STNSM AREA,X'03'.
In 6316392288346624.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
09/09/2013
at 11:14 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
Then what went wrong?
You used the wrong tool.
Try ALLOCATE DD(SYSIN) DSN(*)
Why would I do that for an interactive command? Try EDIT foo.text.
And what does
In 522e15d6.2000...@valley.net, on 09/09/2013
at 02:39 PM, Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.net said:
IBM introduced the 1050 (similar to the 1052 operators console)
The 1050 was a family of terminals attached through a 1051; the low
end S/360 console was the 1052-7, which did not require a
In 522f0d76.2020...@bremultibank.com.pl, on 09/10/2013
at 02:15 PM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl said:
Of course it is as old as SPECIAL and AUDITOR,
Every generation believes that it invented sex.
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Atid/2
In 17868922.1560312.1378814955966.JavaMail.root@vznit170182, on
09/10/2013
at 07:09 AM, Russell Witt res09...@verizon.net said:
Of course, it would still have been possible for the assembler
programmer to move an exit into production that granted him special
authority;
I've been in jobs where
In
offbf2a795.663da601-on85257be2.003f3447-85257be2.003fa...@us.ibm.com,
on 09/10/2013
at 07:34 AM, Peter Relson rel...@us.ibm.com said:
True. But it does not need to. Disablement of your CPU is the
serialization that is required.
For accessing the PSA of a different CPU?
This presumes that
In 0de6a9840123e547b061ac5b6765c026bd0...@exmb-05.ad.wsu.edu, on
09/10/2013
at 02:44 AM, Gibney, Dave gib...@wsu.edu said:
Yes, PDS/E shared outside of Sysplex is a problem if the sharing
is not close to strictly read only. Specifically, address spaces
with the PDS/E open in LPAR A will not
In
offafe5c57.5a2683f5-on48257be3.002c050c-48257be3.00333...@sg.ibm.com,
on 09/11/2013
at 05:17 PM, Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com said:
By the way, I'm rather tired of the implicit and explicit
criticisms that Server Time Protocol (STP) has a separate charge.
The criticism is *not* that
In
capikfhevlqhxirnrfqqf63rofqa+_ra1d2mmzvcygg+mwnt...@mail.gmail.com,
on 09/11/2013
at 01:02 PM, mf db dbajava...@gmail.com said:
I am trying to understand if Dynamic SSI update can overlay the
storage.
If you provide your own subsystem, it can overlay storage; it doesn't
matter whether you
In 1628372020520296.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
09/09/2013
at 09:32 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
RHETORIC Why does DSN(*) exist at all? /RHETORIC
To accomodate batch applications under TSO.
What you suggest is more like batch than interactive.
EDIT is like
In 6865411767021646.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
09/10/2013
at 01:00 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
But how much IBM software in 1978 actually exploited it?
Batch or interactive? IBM interactive software exploited lower case
long before the date you asked about.
In e63998df.daf9.4ae4.a9da.768ad375a...@aol.com, on 09/10/2013
at 02:29 AM, efinnell15 efinnel...@aol.com said:
There was a 'Universal Train'. I don't remember the number.
Probably UN on the 1403 and U11 on the 3211.
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Atid/2
In 029201ceae5d$2b0a7420$811f5c60$@mxg.com, on 09/10/2013
at 02:37 PM, Barry Merrill ba...@mxg.com said:
I vaguely recall benchmarking the print time of several Print Trains
in the early 70s, and my memory of specifics was weak, but I know I
identified three or four specific IDs that were 2 to
In 0fl0391cl08fpq7fjacml790i0ukfv2...@4ax.com, on 09/11/2013
at 02:40 PM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com said:
With disablement, you can guarantee that your processor will not be
interrupted between fetching the address and accessing it
You can not, however, be guarntied that
In
c11ded818b17214792b97fba28712bed171b2d0...@jer-email1.jer.ad.malam.com,
on 09/11/2013
at 06:35 PM, ÔÒÚ ß ÓßÚ gad...@malam.com said:
When I try to vary the device (V xxx,console)
What is the status when you do a D U? Have you defined it as a console
on that system?
--
Shmuel
In 0711121653687111.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
09/11/2013
at 11:00 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
Sometimes it appears that you deliberately over-prune quoted material
so you can refute something the previous poster never said.
I have no doubt that it appears
In
c11ded818b17214792b97fba28712bed171b2d0...@jer-email1.jer.ad.malam.com,
on 09/11/2013
at 08:49 PM, gad...@malam.com said:
Is is defined in the consolexx member.
Did you IPL since chsnging the CONSOLxx member? Are you sure that you
are using that member?
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz,
In 2105594249840396.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on
09/11/2013
at 02:57 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
WAD? For shame!
Damaging the ribbon is nothing. I've been told that on the original
1403, forcing a print check by firing the hammers at the maximum rate
could
In
off734f566.cc66f421-on85257be4.00037347-85257be4.0003f...@us.ibm.com,
on 09/11/2013
at 08:43 PM, Jim Mulder d10j...@us.ibm.com said:
Then a Bind Break is done
Thanks.
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Atid/2http://patriot.net/~shmuel
We don't care. We don't
In 20130912071242.3bfa3fc8d897d3c140761...@gmx.net, on 09/12/2013
at 07:12 AM, nitz-...@gmx.net nitz-...@gmx.net said:
Have that application call an authorized command or program (iebcopy
will suffice) on at least two processors/tcbs at the same time.
How? Won't the TMP set you
In 5mr239lukvqm4q0ijvvv6f2o1tp2cul...@4ax.com, on 09/12/2013
at 10:39 AM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com said:
As Jim pointed out, obviously the other processor cannot free these
areas until all processors acknowledge the attempt.
It wasn't obvious until he told us about the
In
of811b14da.8838eb3f-on48257be4.0035cc4f-48257be4.00386...@sg.ibm.com,
on 09/12/2013
at 06:14 PM, Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com said:
OK, so that's where you'd like to draw the no additional
charge/separately chargeable line.
I can see several possibilities. In order of preference:
In 5231e3f7.9090...@phoenixsoftware.com, on 09/12/2013
at 08:55 AM, Ed Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com said:
There are a surprising number of PDS usage scenarios that work
differently (or not at all) with PDSE.
Sure. But wouldn't it have been prudent for shops to start slowly
migrating
In dff339povt538g7a6bi2gc5p150rf91...@4ax.com, on 09/12/2013
at 04:14 PM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com said:
As the data is available to other processors, it was obvious to me
that changes could not be made unilaterally.
What was not obvious was how just disabling interrupts was
In 5231cab7.8000...@acm.org, on 09/12/2013
at 09:07 AM, Joel C. Ewing jcew...@acm.org said:
Forward-only nudging wouldn't be very useful unless the TOD clock was
also deliberately designed to always run a hair slow
Then maybe steering by slowing down every N ticks, but I'd be very
nervous
In 5231f289.9080...@phoenixsoftware.com, on 09/12/2013
at 09:57 AM, Ed Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com said:
And that serialization is often *NOT* documented! You have to learn
it via (in-person or electronic) discussions with helpful folks like
Jim Mulder
Who was very helpful.
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In 08df7293-a3ba-47ce-80a6-25eb8a987...@aim.com, on 09/12/2013
at 08:14 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:
That meets my understanding of suggest.
The problem is that I suggested something totally unrelated to what
you attributed to me. I suggest that you try EDIT in order to see
In
of919a62a3.59be1d57-on88257be4.00500ef8-88257be4.00510...@sce.com,
on 09/12/2013
at 07:44 AM, Skip Robinson jo.skip.robin...@sce.com said:
While the most obvious value of STP may be synchronization of
multiple z CECs in a glass house, it is invaluable for synchronizing
all z CECs with the
In ngf43910qavrl8b2ci7vs2m3uto3isj...@4ax.com, on 09/12/2013
at 07:29 PM, Clark Morris cfmpub...@ns.sympatico.ca said:
the person who decided that local SNA
327X devices could only be accessed though VTAM
They used to be accessed by TCAM as well. If your complaint is that
the CONSOLE address
In 9sc6395775c3rd4dp7icvtu31c4kp0l...@4ax.com, on 09/13/2013
at 12:51 PM, Clark Morris cfmpub...@ns.sympatico.ca said:
My complaint, poorly stated is that locally attached 327x devices
had to be NON-SNA in order to be used as consoles.
Given that there was only a single address for a local
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