Re: Query for Destination z article -- identifying/overcoming mainframe challenges

2014-02-28 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <8d10254445d1e12-bd8-6...@webmail-va001.sysops.aol.com>, on 02/27/2014 at 11:25 PM, Mitch said: >That is a benefit to the variety of tools that can capture and >associate documentation through a relational database solution. >Everything gets moved through the development lifecycle as a sin

Re: Query for Destination z article -- identifying/overcoming mainframe challenges

2014-02-28 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2014-02-28 14:43, David Andrews pisze: On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 22:38 -0600, Ed Gould wrote: The standard issue I have with any machine oriented documentation is that hen the system is down what good is it going to do you? *NONE* Hee! A few years ago we had a total power outage in the comp

Re: Query for Destination z article -- identifying/overcoming mainframe challenges

2014-02-28 Thread David Andrews
On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 22:38 -0600, Ed Gould wrote: > The standard issue I have with any machine oriented documentation is > that hen the system is down what good is it going to do you? *NONE* Hee! A few years ago we had a total power outage in the computer room, result of an UPS failure. The k

Documentation was Re: Query for Destination z article -- identifying/overcoming mainframe challenges

2014-02-28 Thread Clark Morris
On 27 Feb 2014 19:22:43 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: >In <530e5974.8020...@actionsoftware.com>, on 02/26/2014 > at 04:15 PM, Gord Tomlin said: > >>It is worth noting that such a documentation effort should not be >>left to the time when the documentation is needed. > >IMHO the do

Re: Query for Destination z article -- identifying/overcoming mainframe challenges

2014-02-27 Thread Ed Gould
2014 7:22 pm Subject: Re: Query for Destination z article -- identifying/ overcoming mainframe challenges In <530e5974.8020...@actionsoftware.com>, on 02/26/2014 at 04:15 PM, Gord Tomlin said: It is worth noting that such a documentation effort should not be left to the time when t

Re: Query for Destination z article -- identifying/overcoming mainframe challenges

2014-02-27 Thread Mitch
article -- identifying/overcoming mainframe challenges In <530e5974.8020...@actionsoftware.com>, on 02/26/2014 at 04:15 PM, Gord Tomlin said: >It is worth noting that such a documentation effort should not be left to the time when the documentation is needed. IMHO the documentation

Re: Query for Destination z article -- identifying/overcoming mainframe challenges

2014-02-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <530e5974.8020...@actionsoftware.com>, on 02/26/2014 at 04:15 PM, Gord Tomlin said: >It is worth noting that such a documentation effort should not be >left to the time when the documentation is needed. IMHO the documentation is needed before the code goes into production; that rarely hap

Re: Query for Destination z article -- identifying/overcoming mainframe challenges

2014-02-27 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <003d01cf3334$dd3e3030$97ba9090$@soundsoftware.us>, on 02/26/2014 at 12:53 PM, "Duffy Nightingale, SSPI" said: >One thing I have run into at a couple of mainframe sites is they >have had so much turnover in tech support and no process for the >ex person to train or leave the new person do

Re: Query for Destination z article -- identifying/overcoming mainframe challenges

2014-02-27 Thread Staller, Allan
It is still only as good as what someone has taken the time to input. If the person entering the data has no desire to be truthful or accurate GIGO, ...snippage " Yes, person-to-person handover discussions are great and the absolute best form of communication, but what do you do whan a st

Re: Query for Destination z article -- identifying/overcoming mainframe challenges

2014-02-27 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:40:22 -0500, Mitch wrote: >For mainframe sites with DB2, it is an excellent tool for keeping >documentation (among a plethora of other mainframe inventory and >infrastructure information) >at the fingertips of those who need it. Let's hope the document being sought isn'

Re: Query for Destination z article -- identifying/overcoming mainframe challenges

2014-02-26 Thread Timothy Sipples
John Gilmore writes: >There is no substitute for person-to-person handover discussions. Unfortunately we are each single points of failure and eventually unrecoverable. While the substitutes for John Gilmore and for Timothy Sipples are clearly, obviously, supremely, vastly inferior, we should stil

Re: Query for Destination z article -- identifying/overcoming mainframe challenges

2014-02-26 Thread Mitch
ilmore To: IBM-MAIN Sent: Wed, Feb 26, 2014 7:14 pm Subject: Re: Query for Destination z article -- identifying/overcoming mainframe challenges There is no substitute for person-to-person handover discussions. The notion that some 'tool' can replace them is not just dubious; it s abs

Re: Query for Destination z article -- identifying/overcoming mainframe challenges

2014-02-26 Thread John Gilmore
There is no substitute for person-to-person handover discussions. The notion that some 'tool' can replace them is not just dubious; it is absurd. Mitch McLuhan needs to rein in his marketing rhetoric. I, for one, have no objection to his touting what he has available to address problem A or prob

Re: Query for Destination z article -- identifying/overcoming mainframe challenges

2014-02-26 Thread Mitch
infrastructure information) at the fingertips of those who need it. Regards, Mitch McCluhan, Legacy Modernization Consultant -Original Message- From: Duffy Nightingale, SSPI To: IBM-MAIN Sent: Wed, Feb 26, 2014 12:53 pm Subject: Re: Query for Destination z article -- identifying

Re: Query for Destination z article -- identifying/overcoming mainframe challenges

2014-02-26 Thread Gord Tomlin
On 2014-02-26 15:53, Duffy Nightingale, SSPI wrote: One thing I have run into at a couple of mainframe sites is they have had so much turnover in tech support and no process for the ex person to train or leave the new person documentation that the current tech people (and same with application fo

Re: Query for Destination z article -- identifying/overcoming mainframe challenges

2014-02-26 Thread Duffy Nightingale, SSPI
Gabe Goldberg Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 7:44 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Query for Destination z article -- identifying/overcoming mainframe challenges Challenges are everywhere -- doing more with fewer resources, maintaining security, management/user sometimes willful

Query for Destination z article -- identifying/overcoming mainframe challenges

2014-02-26 Thread Gabe Goldberg
Challenges are everywhere -- doing more with fewer resources, maintaining security, management/user sometimes willful ignorance of mainframe characteristics and strengths, disrespect (different from ignorance!) for mainframe heritage and value, staffing (recruiting needed skills, generation-gap