Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-06 Thread John Gilmore
Google aside, 'ça' has two meanings: o It is an abbreviation of 'cela', a demonstrative pronoun, as in 'C'est ça!', That's right! . o It is also an adverb, 'here' or 'hither', as in 'ça et la', here and there. As Paul Gilmartin all but said, it is always written/printed as 'ça'. If it were

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-06 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
*d'accord* On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 12:55 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: Google aside, 'ça' has two meanings: o It is an abbreviation of 'cela', a demonstrative pronoun, as in 'C'est ça!', That's right! . o It is also an adverb, 'here' or 'hither', as in 'ça et la', here and

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-06 Thread Scott Ford
Wayne Yes sir right on the money Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Dec 6, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Wayne Bickerdike wayn...@gmail.com wrote: *d'accord* On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 12:55 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-06 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In caajsdjgw+t1cbvxsgtykddoxgqnu0re_bxyubgccg4mjewo...@mail.gmail.com, on 12/05/2013 at 11:04 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said: Thanks. I am not any kind of expert, but the otelnetd UNIX daemon that I mentioned in a previous post in this thread _seems to me_ to implement

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-05 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In CAE1XxDF6a57+wPEJsLQesOTun3OFeq-ObR=zudw++gw9ceg...@mail.gmail.com, on 12/04/2013 at 10:09 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said: We're not dealing with what Google wishes to honor, Of course we are. We're dealing with the problem of resolving semantic ambiguity, No. We're dealing

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-05 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In b870629719727b4ba82a6c06a31c29124c5781e...@hqmailsvr01.voltage.com, on 12/04/2013 at 07:46 AM, Phil Smith p...@voltage.com said: Well, common sense would suggest www.google.comhttp://www.google.com. Common sense is frequently wrong. Try that. BTDT,GTS -- Shmuel (Seymour J.)

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-05 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In caajsdjg7hhfkk5jwq7u9xytddqzfrk9jak2mculh5oogztq...@mail.gmail.com, on 12/04/2013 at 11:09 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said: NVT? See TELNET PROTOCOL SPECIFICATION, RFC 854. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-05 Thread John McKown
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:04 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: In caajsdjg7hhfkk5jwq7u9xytddqzfrk9jak2mculh5oogztq...@mail.gmail.com, on 12/04/2013 at 11:09 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said: NVT? See TELNET PROTOCOL SPECIFICATION, RFC 854.

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-05 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
Literal translation would be that goes, ca va is a shortened comment ca va, ie how goes it(that)?. OK would be ca va bien. Without bien it's meaningless in the context. Bien would be the OK piece, ie fine On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey zMan,

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-05 Thread Scott Ford
Yep..but on Switzerland French shall we say interesting like the Swiss German Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Dec 5, 2013, at 3:34 PM, Wayne Bickerdike wayn...@gmail.com wrote: Literal translation would be that goes, ca va is a

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-05 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 07:34:48 +1100, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: Literal translation would be that goes, ca va is a shortened comment ca va, ie how goes it(that)?. OK would be ca va bien. Without bien it's meaningless in the context. Bien would be the OK piece, ie fine Think idiom. First

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-05 Thread Phil Smith
Tony Harminc wrote: Unfortunately that takes me to https://www.google.ca, which doesn't seem to have a search tools choice. I can force Google to go to the .com (i.e. US) site, but it's still HTTPS, and it still has no search tools that I can see. And merely quoting a phrase doesn't (contrary to

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-05 Thread Scott Ford
Gil, Your correct it's an idiom..slang...more or less...in 3 yrs in Switzerland I learned I needed a better accent to speak French and Swiss German and don't ask for items in French in a Swiss German canton or State..it ain't pretty Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-04 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In CAArMM9TchzPZCAeKDsSjVJWZ2JWkBHBQpsikzWYG2w=6u04...@mail.gmail.com, on 12/03/2013 at 07:00 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net said: But for that matter, even Google insists on searching for things vaguely close to what I asked for, rather then the actual thing. I don't recall google ever

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-04 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In CAJTOO58Xck4+UK5AnobEZ=kztcrte1azgmf86r77emdb0pj...@mail.gmail.com, on 12/03/2013 at 06:53 PM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com said: My thought. While you are typing a command with a partial Unix file name, leave the cursor at the end of the file name and press a PF key. Various *ix

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-04 Thread John Gilmore
|| But for that matter, even Google insists on searching for things || vaguely close to what I asked for, rather then the actual thing. | I don't recall google ever honoring a request for an exact match. We're not dealing with what Google wishes to honor, We're dealing with the problem of

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-04 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In b870629719727b4ba82a6c06a31c29124c5781e...@hqmailsvr01.voltage.com, on 12/03/2013 at 04:48 PM, Phil Smith p...@voltage.com said: Re Google: What URL? I normally use http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en. Or are you referring to a google browser plugin rather than their web site? use

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-04 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Tony Harminc said: But for that matter, even Google insists on searching for things vaguely close to what I asked for, rather then the actual thing. Indeed. I sometimes had to use advanced searches, but you need to search (sic) for that picture of a gear (options), where you can then search

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-04 Thread John Gilmore
. . . previous post continued [q]ueries and the placement of advertisements. Yesterday we had a discussion of the LE HEAPCHECK facilitiy. Googling it this morning yielded advertisements for cheap personalized bank checks. Given the current state of the art exclusion oif notional irrelevance is

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-04 Thread Phil Smith
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: What URL? I normally use http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en. Or are you referring to a google browser plugin rather than their web site? Well, common sense would suggest www.google.comhttp://www.google.com. Try that. ...phsiii

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-04 Thread John McKown
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:34 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: In CAJTOO58Xck4+UK5AnobEZ=kztcrte1azgmf86r77emdb0pj...@mail.gmail.com, on 12/03/2013 at 06:53 PM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com said: My thought. While you are typing a command with a

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-04 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 4 Dec 2013 10:09:08 -0500, John Gilmore wrote: We're not dealing with what Google wishes to honor, We're dealing with the problem of resolving semantic ambiguity, which humans are extraordinarily good at and even ther best AI methods cannot reaslly cope with. Watson? But how would

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-04 Thread DASDBILL2
I search for single words not in English almost every day, always with Google's Advanced Search, and Google is very useful for me. E.g., earlier today I searched for κρυπτός and found this url in the first hit:   http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BA%CF%81%CF%85%CF%80%CF%84%CF%8C%CF%82 This

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-04 Thread Mike Schwab
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za wrote: deleted My pet peeve is - when I search a word in a language, not English, then Google is useless. deleted Try using http://www.google.fr for french words? (use a country suffix where that lanquage is

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-04 Thread zMan
Or go to Google Translate (translate.google.com). It even handles transliterations quite well: put in spasebo and tell it's Russian; it will say: Did you mean: спасебо and then you can translate *that*. I've even had it guess when the transliteration wasn't quite right, and get it right (I

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-04 Thread Scott Ford
Hey zMan, I entered 'ca va' in French comes bac as 'okay' which is correct, I lived in Europe and spoke French. Very impressive converting languages Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Dec 4, 2013, at 6:09 PM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-04 Thread Tony Harminc
On 4 December 2013 10:46, Phil Smith p...@voltage.com wrote: Well, common sense would suggest www.google.comhttp://www.google.com. Try that. Unfortunately that takes me to https://www.google.ca, which doesn't seem to have a search tools choice. I can force Google to go to the .com (i.e. US)

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-04 Thread Tony Harminc
On 4 December 2013 19:33, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net wrote: Well, common sense would suggest www.google.comhttp://www.google.com. Try that. Unfortunately that takes me to https://www.google.ca, which doesn't seem to have a search tools choice. I can force Google to go to the .com (i.e.

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-03 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
On 03.12.2013 07:13, David Crayford wrote: On 3/12/2013 4:16 AM, Kirk Wolf wrote: I would guess that the tricky part would be replacing the interface to inotify with w_ioctl / Iocc#regFileInt I could be wrong but it looks like Iocc#regFileInt doesn't support monitoring directories, which

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 529cd1c5.9030...@tulsagrammer.com, on 12/02/2013 at 12:30 PM, Eric Chevalier et...@tulsagrammer.com said: I believe the issue some people are trying to address with a Unix catalog is the case where you DON'T know the full path. A central repository won't solve that problem. I know it's

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-03 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In CAE1XxDF9CN8XdrzH4rBVgzkNTW0aD=rb9ue4v6odux-dbdq...@mail.gmail.com, on 12/02/2013 at 02:48 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said: Worth noting, and not at all to clear from, indeed antiothetical to, the title of this thread is that we are now addressing a deficiency of UNIX, not one of

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-03 Thread Tony Harminc
On 2 December 2013 14:02, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 12:30:29 -0600, Eric Chevalier wrote: [...] Now suppose I have some sort of index file where the key is the unqualified file name and the data is the path to that file. I can search the index for my file name

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-03 Thread Scott Ford
Tony, Sloppy coding at google ? Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Dec 3, 2013, at 7:00 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net wrote: On 2 December 2013 14:02, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 12:30:29 -0600,

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-03 Thread Phil Smith
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.netmailto:t...@harminc.net wrote: I don't know about OS X, but recent version of Windows have seriousl dumbed down the search interface to the point that it's almost impossible to distinguish between file names and approximate strings

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-03 Thread Mike Schwab
My thought. While you are typing a command with a partial Unix file name, leave the cursor at the end of the file name and press a PF key. The routine would open a popup window with a list of possible matches. You could select a option by tabbing to the line with the desired match and pressing

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-03 Thread John McKown
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com wrote: My thought. While you are typing a command with a partial Unix file name, leave the cursor at the end of the file name and press a PF key. The routine would open a popup window with a list of possible matches. You

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-03 Thread Scott Ford
Mike, I like that solution, very nice . Love time savers ...especially when your up to your ...in alligators Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Dec 3, 2013, at 7:53 PM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com wrote: My thought. While

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-02 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 12:30:29 -0600, Eric Chevalier wrote: I believe the issue some people are trying to address with a Unix catalog is the case where you DON'T know the full path. ... Now suppose I have some sort of index file where the key is the unqualified file name and the data is the path to

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-02 Thread John Gilmore
Worth noting, and not at all to clear from, indeed antiothetical to, the title of this thread is that we are now addressing a deficiency of UNIX, not one of the MVS side of z/OS. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-02 Thread Kirk Wolf
A list of desktop search engines (which actually have little to do with desktops) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_search_engines#Desktop_search_engines Something like Recoil / Xapian could probably be ported to z/OS. I would guess that the tricky part would be replacing the interface to

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-02 Thread Scott Ford
Kirk, Absolutely, that would be a great , interesting conversion to z/OS Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Dec 2, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Kirk Wolf k...@dovetail.com wrote: A list of desktop search engines (which actually have little to do

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

2013-12-02 Thread David Crayford
On 3/12/2013 4:16 AM, Kirk Wolf wrote: I would guess that the tricky part would be replacing the interface to inotify with w_ioctl / Iocc#regFileInt I could be wrong but it looks like Iocc#regFileInt doesn't support monitoring directories, which diminishes it's value. A port of inotify for