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Google aside, 'ça' has two meanings: o It is an abbreviation of 'cela', a demonstrative pronoun, as in 'C'est ça!', That's right! . o It is also an adverb, 'here' or 'hither', as in 'ça et la', here and there. As Paul Gilmartin all but said, it is always written/printed as 'ça'. If it were written as ''ca', it would be pronounced 'ka', as in 'cabane' , ka'ban, not 'sa', as in 'façade', fa'sahd. French is a Latin dialect, and the complete text of Pliny the Younger's apothegm: Errare humanum est, perseverare autem diabolicum. is relevant here. To err is human; to persist in it is diabolical. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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*d'accord* On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 12:55 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: Google aside, 'ça' has two meanings: o It is an abbreviation of 'cela', a demonstrative pronoun, as in 'C'est ça!', That's right! . o It is also an adverb, 'here' or 'hither', as in 'ça et la', here and there. As Paul Gilmartin all but said, it is always written/printed as 'ça'. If it were written as ''ca', it would be pronounced 'ka', as in 'cabane' , ka'ban, not 'sa', as in 'façade', fa'sahd. French is a Latin dialect, and the complete text of Pliny the Younger's apothegm: Errare humanum est, perseverare autem diabolicum. is relevant here. To err is human; to persist in it is diabolical. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Wayne V. Bickerdike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Wayne Yes sir right on the money Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Dec 6, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Wayne Bickerdike wayn...@gmail.com wrote: *d'accord* On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 12:55 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: Google aside, 'ça' has two meanings: o It is an abbreviation of 'cela', a demonstrative pronoun, as in 'C'est ça!', That's right! . o It is also an adverb, 'here' or 'hither', as in 'ça et la', here and there. As Paul Gilmartin all but said, it is always written/printed as 'ça'. If it were written as ''ca', it would be pronounced 'ka', as in 'cabane' , ka'ban, not 'sa', as in 'façade', fa'sahd. French is a Latin dialect, and the complete text of Pliny the Younger's apothegm: Errare humanum est, perseverare autem diabolicum. is relevant here. To err is human; to persist in it is diabolical. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Wayne V. Bickerdike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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In caajsdjgw+t1cbvxsgtykddoxgqnu0re_bxyubgccg4mjewo...@mail.gmail.com, on 12/05/2013 at 11:04 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said: Thanks. I am not any kind of expert, but the otelnetd UNIX daemon that I mentioned in a previous post in this thread _seems to me_ to implement this fairly well. I suspect that Telnet NVT support is required for POSIX and Unix certification; certainly I can't imagine getting traction in the *ix community without it. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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In CAE1XxDF6a57+wPEJsLQesOTun3OFeq-ObR=zudw++gw9ceg...@mail.gmail.com, on 12/04/2013 at 10:09 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said: We're not dealing with what Google wishes to honor, Of course we are. We're dealing with the problem of resolving semantic ambiguity, No. We're dealing with a web page that has labels that do not correspond with what the search engine actually does. There is no ambiguity in exact. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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In b870629719727b4ba82a6c06a31c29124c5781e...@hqmailsvr01.voltage.com, on 12/04/2013 at 07:46 AM, Phil Smith p...@voltage.com said: Well, common sense would suggest www.google.comhttp://www.google.com. Common sense is frequently wrong. Try that. BTDT,GTS -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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In caajsdjg7hhfkk5jwq7u9xytddqzfrk9jak2mculh5oogztq...@mail.gmail.com, on 12/04/2013 at 11:09 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said: NVT? See TELNET PROTOCOL SPECIFICATION, RFC 854. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:04 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: In caajsdjg7hhfkk5jwq7u9xytddqzfrk9jak2mculh5oogztq...@mail.gmail.com, on 12/04/2013 at 11:09 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said: NVT? See TELNET PROTOCOL SPECIFICATION, RFC 854. Thanks. I am not any kind of expert, but the otelnetd UNIX daemon that I mentioned in a previous post in this thread _seems to me_ to implement this fairly well. It works fine with both the Linux and Windows telnet command. In our shop, this gets the user a z/OS UNIX shell environment which is similar to a Linux shell prompt or a Windows cmd.exe prompt. In my case, on the Linux side, before I do the telnet command, I do an export TERM=xterm. z/OS UNIX does not understand the normal TERM value of xterm-256color set by the Konsole command shell which I use on Linux. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- This is clearly another case of too many mad scientists, and not enough hunchbacks. Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Literal translation would be that goes, ca va is a shortened comment ca va, ie how goes it(that)?. OK would be ca va bien. Without bien it's meaningless in the context. Bien would be the OK piece, ie fine On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey zMan, I entered 'ca va' in French comes bac as 'okay' which is correct, I lived in Europe and spoke French. Very impressive converting languages Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Dec 4, 2013, at 6:09 PM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote: Or go to Google Translate (translate.google.com). It even handles transliterations quite well: put in spasebo and tell it's Russian; it will say: Did you mean: спасебо and then you can translate *that*. I've even had it guess when the transliteration wasn't quite right, and get it right (I concluded, based on context). We're getting pretty far OT here, not that that's anything new. On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za wrote: deleted My pet peeve is - when I search a word in a language, not English, then Google is useless. deleted Try using http://www.google.fr for french words? (use a country suffix where that lanquage is used). -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Wayne V. Bickerdike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Yep..but on Switzerland French shall we say interesting like the Swiss German Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Dec 5, 2013, at 3:34 PM, Wayne Bickerdike wayn...@gmail.com wrote: Literal translation would be that goes, ca va is a shortened comment ca va, ie how goes it(that)?. OK would be ca va bien. Without bien it's meaningless in the context. Bien would be the OK piece, ie fine On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey zMan, I entered 'ca va' in French comes bac as 'okay' which is correct, I lived in Europe and spoke French. Very impressive converting languages Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Dec 4, 2013, at 6:09 PM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote: Or go to Google Translate (translate.google.com). It even handles transliterations quite well: put in spasebo and tell it's Russian; it will say: Did you mean: спасебо and then you can translate *that*. I've even had it guess when the transliteration wasn't quite right, and get it right (I concluded, based on context). We're getting pretty far OT here, not that that's anything new. On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za wrote: deleted My pet peeve is - when I search a word in a language, not English, then Google is useless. deleted Try using http://www.google.fr for french words? (use a country suffix where that lanquage is used). -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Wayne V. Bickerdike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 07:34:48 +1100, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: Literal translation would be that goes, ca va is a shortened comment ca va, ie how goes it(that)?. OK would be ca va bien. Without bien it's meaningless in the context. Bien would be the OK piece, ie fine Think idiom. First relevant Google hit: http://french.about.com/od/vocabulary/a/cava.htm (Spelling: ça va.) -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Tony Harminc wrote: Unfortunately that takes me to https://www.google.ca, which doesn't seem to have a search tools choice. I can force Google to go to the .com (i.e. US) site, but it's still HTTPS, and it still has no search tools that I can see. And merely quoting a phrase doesn't (contrary to their claim) restrict the search to the exact quoted string. The Search Tools appear on *results* pages, to refine them. Sorry, I totally buggered this up by not mentioning that wee detail! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Gil, Your correct it's an idiom..slang...more or less...in 3 yrs in Switzerland I learned I needed a better accent to speak French and Swiss German and don't ask for items in French in a Swiss German canton or State..it ain't pretty Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Dec 5, 2013, at 6:32 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 07:34:48 +1100, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: Literal translation would be that goes, ca va is a shortened comment ca va, ie how goes it(that)?. OK would be ca va bien. Without bien it's meaningless in the context. Bien would be the OK piece, ie fine Think idiom. First relevant Google hit: http://french.about.com/od/vocabulary/a/cava.htm (Spelling: ça va.) -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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In CAArMM9TchzPZCAeKDsSjVJWZ2JWkBHBQpsikzWYG2w=6u04...@mail.gmail.com, on 12/03/2013 at 07:00 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net said: But for that matter, even Google insists on searching for things vaguely close to what I asked for, rather then the actual thing. I don't recall google ever honoring a request for an exact match. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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In CAJTOO58Xck4+UK5AnobEZ=kztcrte1azgmf86r77emdb0pj...@mail.gmail.com, on 12/03/2013 at 06:53 PM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com said: My thought. While you are typing a command with a partial Unix file name, leave the cursor at the end of the file name and press a PF key. Various *ix shells have file completion. Is there an open requirement for IBM to support it for an NVT login to OMVS? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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|| But for that matter, even Google insists on searching for things || vaguely close to what I asked for, rather then the actual thing. | I don't recall google ever honoring a request for an exact match. We're not dealing with what Google wishes to honor, We're dealing with the problem of resolving semantic ambiguity, which humans are extraordinarily good at and even ther best AI methods cannot reaslly cope with. Interestingly, Google ujses essentially the same methods for q On 12/4/13, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: In CAJTOO58Xck4+UK5AnobEZ=kztcrte1azgmf86r77emdb0pj...@mail.gmail.com, on 12/03/2013 at 06:53 PM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com said: My thought. While you are typing a command with a partial Unix file name, leave the cursor at the end of the file name and press a PF key. Various *ix shells have file completion. Is there an open requirement for IBM to support it for an NVT login to OMVS? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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In b870629719727b4ba82a6c06a31c29124c5781e...@hqmailsvr01.voltage.com, on 12/03/2013 at 04:48 PM, Phil Smith p...@voltage.com said: Re Google: What URL? I normally use http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en. Or are you referring to a google browser plugin rather than their web site? use verbatim search. Look under Search tools, Do you mean search? I don't see Search tools. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Tony Harminc said: But for that matter, even Google insists on searching for things vaguely close to what I asked for, rather then the actual thing. Indeed. I sometimes had to use advanced searches, but you need to search (sic) for that picture of a gear (options), where you can then search (sic) for 'advanced search'. Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: I don't recall google ever honoring a request for an exact match. Neither me, but I hate 'Instant predictions', so I usually turn that feature off. I don't like to see (annoying) sponsored hits, but then Google is a free thing and must make money in one or other way. My pet peeve is - when I search a word in a language, not English, then Google is useless. Perfect search engines have not been invented, but I recall in the early years of Internet, you could hire 'search experts' to do searches for 'search challenged' dummies... :-D Hmmm, now with all those threads, how do you search for that perfect Operating System? :-D Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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. . . previous post continued [q]ueries and the placement of advertisements. Yesterday we had a discussion of the LE HEAPCHECK facilitiy. Googling it this morning yielded advertisements for cheap personalized bank checks. Given the current state of the art exclusion oif notional irrelevance is more difficult than providing relevance. If such a line as I used my pen to pen a description of the pen in the pen. is improved my providing disambiguating context, as in I used my Mont Blanc pen to pen a description of the pen and her cygnets in trhe poultry pen. more relevant information will be turned up, but irrelevant responses will not be excluded. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: What URL? I normally use http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en. Or are you referring to a google browser plugin rather than their web site? Well, common sense would suggest www.google.comhttp://www.google.com. Try that. ...phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:34 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: In CAJTOO58Xck4+UK5AnobEZ=kztcrte1azgmf86r77emdb0pj...@mail.gmail.com, on 12/03/2013 at 06:53 PM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com said: My thought. While you are typing a command with a partial Unix file name, leave the cursor at the end of the file name and press a PF key. Various *ix shells have file completion. Is there an open requirement for IBM to support it for an NVT login to OMVS? NVT? I can use both/either ssh and/or telnet (line mode) to get a TCPIP connection directly to a z/OS UNIX shell (no VTAM involved beyond the TRLE which controls the OSA). The ssh connection is via OpenSSH (to which I added the enhancements from Dovetailed Technologies). The telnet connection is via the inetd UNIX daemon (started task). I don't know of any way to use VTAM in line mode, such as a 3767 LU-1 emulation, to get a UNIX shell, but don't know why I would want to that either. To start inetd at OMVS startup, I put a line in /etc/rc like: _BPX_JOBNAME=INETD /usr/sbin/inetd /etc/inetd.conf and have a /etc/inetd.conf file containing the line: 2023 stream tcpip nowait BPXROOT /usr/sbin/otelnetd otelnetd -l -t -D login I use port 2023 because, for some weird reason, we have port 23 going into VTAM. This despite the fact that nothing is really using port 23 in VTAM. Likely something left over from an IBM supplied member which I'm too much of a coward to change. /bin/sh can do a very primitive form of completion in vi mode wth the ctrl-\ key. But it is a very poor implementation because once it expands to the first non-matching character, it does not display the alternatives possible at that point. The ported BASH shell, although very old, does do file completion properly via the TAB (^i) key. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html -- This is clearly another case of too many mad scientists, and not enough hunchbacks. Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Wed, 4 Dec 2013 10:09:08 -0500, John Gilmore wrote: We're not dealing with what Google wishes to honor, We're dealing with the problem of resolving semantic ambiguity, which humans are extraordinarily good at and even ther best AI methods cannot reaslly cope with. Watson? But how would Watson do on a NYT crossword puzzle? A recent example: the clue was John Paul's successor. The answer, Elena. (I got it mostly on intersecting words.) Resolving semantic ambiguity depends on lots of background, cultural context. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I search for single words not in English almost every day, always with Google's Advanced Search, and Google is very useful for me. E.g., earlier today I searched for κρυπτός and found this url in the first hit: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BA%CF%81%CF%85%CF%80%CF%84%CF%8C%CF%82 This webpage in Wiktionary told me that my search word is an ancient Greek word meaning hidden or secret in modern English. This was not useless. I have also found what I needed to know sometimes by getting a hit on a webpage that is in French, Spanish, or some other language that I can read well enough to determine, e.g., the gender of the search word or its English meaning, when I could not quickly find such a page in English. Bill Fairchild Franklin, TN - Original Message - From: Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2013 9:16:18 AM Subject: Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers My pet peeve is - when I search a word in a language, not English, then Google is useless. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za wrote: deleted My pet peeve is - when I search a word in a language, not English, then Google is useless. deleted Try using http://www.google.fr for french words? (use a country suffix where that lanquage is used). -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Or go to Google Translate (translate.google.com). It even handles transliterations quite well: put in spasebo and tell it's Russian; it will say: Did you mean: спасебо and then you can translate *that*. I've even had it guess when the transliteration wasn't quite right, and get it right (I concluded, based on context). We're getting pretty far OT here, not that that's anything new. On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za wrote: deleted My pet peeve is - when I search a word in a language, not English, then Google is useless. deleted Try using http://www.google.fr for french words? (use a country suffix where that lanquage is used). -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Hey zMan, I entered 'ca va' in French comes bac as 'okay' which is correct, I lived in Europe and spoke French. Very impressive converting languages Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Dec 4, 2013, at 6:09 PM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote: Or go to Google Translate (translate.google.com). It even handles transliterations quite well: put in spasebo and tell it's Russian; it will say: Did you mean: спасебо and then you can translate *that*. I've even had it guess when the transliteration wasn't quite right, and get it right (I concluded, based on context). We're getting pretty far OT here, not that that's anything new. On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za wrote: deleted My pet peeve is - when I search a word in a language, not English, then Google is useless. deleted Try using http://www.google.fr for french words? (use a country suffix where that lanquage is used). -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 4 December 2013 10:46, Phil Smith p...@voltage.com wrote: Well, common sense would suggest www.google.comhttp://www.google.com. Try that. Unfortunately that takes me to https://www.google.ca, which doesn't seem to have a search tools choice. I can force Google to go to the .com (i.e. US) site, but it's still HTTPS, and it still has no search tools that I can see. And merely quoting a phrase doesn't (contrary to their claim) restrict the search to the exact quoted string. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 4 December 2013 19:33, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net wrote: Well, common sense would suggest www.google.comhttp://www.google.com. Try that. Unfortunately that takes me to https://www.google.ca, which doesn't seem to have a search tools choice. I can force Google to go to the .com (i.e. US) site, but it's still HTTPS, and it still has no search tools that I can see. And merely quoting a phrase doesn't (contrary to their claim) restrict the search to the exact quoted string. Ah - Search Tools is on the search *results* screen, i.e. after the initial non-verbatim search. Thanks! Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 03.12.2013 07:13, David Crayford wrote: On 3/12/2013 4:16 AM, Kirk Wolf wrote: I would guess that the tricky part would be replacing the interface to inotify with w_ioctl / Iocc#regFileInt I could be wrong but it looks like Iocc#regFileInt doesn't support monitoring directories, which diminishes it's value. A port of inotify for z/OS would be a very nice to have. It is true as we have tried to use this to detect directoy changes. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Kind regards, / Mit freundlichen Grüßen Miklos Szigetvari Research Development ISIS Papyrus Europe AG Alter Wienerweg 12, A-2344 Maria Enzersdorf, Austria T: +43(2236) 27551 333, F: +43(2236)21081 E-mail: miklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com Info: i...@isis-papyrus.com Hotline: +43-2236-27551-111 Visit our brand new extended Website at www.isis-papyrus.com --- This e-mail is only intended for the recipient and not legally binding. Unauthorised use, publication, reproduction or disclosure of the content of this e-mail is not permitted. This email has been checked for known viruses, but ISIS Papyrus accepts no responsibility for malicious or inappropriate content. --- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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In 529cd1c5.9030...@tulsagrammer.com, on 12/02/2013 at 12:30 PM, Eric Chevalier et...@tulsagrammer.com said: I believe the issue some people are trying to address with a Unix catalog is the case where you DON'T know the full path. A central repository won't solve that problem. I know it's called stroganoff.txt Unless it's your only recipe, you've got a problem. Now suppose I have some sort of index file where the key is the unqualified file name and the data is the path to that file. Such facilities already exist, without the need for a central repository. They aren't very helpful for background scripts. What I see as more helpful would be Multics-style search rules (STEPCAT on steroids), but that still leaves the issue of getting the right one when there are duplicates. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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In CAE1XxDF9CN8XdrzH4rBVgzkNTW0aD=rb9ue4v6odux-dbdq...@mail.gmail.com, on 12/02/2013 at 02:48 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com said: Worth noting, and not at all to clear from, indeed antiothetical to, the title of this thread is that we are now addressing a deficiency of UNIX, not one of the MVS side of z/OS. The issue exists in both, in slightly different form. In neither case do I see a central repository doing anything for the user. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 2 December 2013 14:02, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 12:30:29 -0600, Eric Chevalier wrote: [...] Now suppose I have some sort of index file where the key is the unqualified file name and the data is the path to that file. I can search the index for my file name and it should quickly show me all the locations where a file by that name is located. (Note that Windows has had such a facility since at least XP.) As has OS X. Also search by substring of filename, and by content. I don't know about OS X, but recent version of Windows have seriousl dumbed down the search interface to the point that it's almost impossible to distinguish between file names and approximate strings inside the files. But for that matter, even Google insists on searching for things vaguely close to what I asked for, rather then the actual thing. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Tony, Sloppy coding at google ? Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Dec 3, 2013, at 7:00 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net wrote: On 2 December 2013 14:02, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 12:30:29 -0600, Eric Chevalier wrote: [...] Now suppose I have some sort of index file where the key is the unqualified file name and the data is the path to that file. I can search the index for my file name and it should quickly show me all the locations where a file by that name is located. (Note that Windows has had such a facility since at least XP.) As has OS X. Also search by substring of filename, and by content. I don't know about OS X, but recent version of Windows have seriousl dumbed down the search interface to the point that it's almost impossible to distinguish between file names and approximate strings inside the files. But for that matter, even Google insists on searching for things vaguely close to what I asked for, rather then the actual thing. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.netmailto:t...@harminc.net wrote: I don't know about OS X, but recent version of Windows have seriousl dumbed down the search interface to the point that it's almost impossible to distinguish between file names and approximate strings inside the files. But for that matter, even Google insists on searching for things vaguely close to what I asked for, rather then the actual thing. Thank you, Tony: I thought it was just me! Drives me nuts. I wind up opening a command prompt and using DIR (or grep, depending). Re Google: use verbatim search. Look under Search tools, then All results to find that. I discovered this when I was trying to factcheck a story about an elderly man who got a sensitive part of his anatomy stuck in a chair (I forget why this was interesting at the time, honest!). The word I was searching for has three syllables and begins with t, but Google kept presenting results that had the word balls in them. Smart is good - when I search for 5 cups and it offers five cups, that's a GOOD thing. But it does go too far sometimes. (Also try searching for a restaurant whose name is Italian in Virginia [VA] - va is a common Italian word, so you get tons of hits *from Italy, in Italian*. Adding language:english to the search helps there). ...phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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My thought. While you are typing a command with a partial Unix file name, leave the cursor at the end of the file name and press a PF key. The routine would open a popup window with a list of possible matches. You could select a option by tabbing to the line with the desired match and pressing enter, or alter the search argument and pressing enter to search again. Would work very much like ISPF 3.4 or the mentioned directory listing. On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Phil Smith p...@voltage.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.netmailto:t...@harminc.net wrote: I don't know about OS X, but recent version of Windows have seriousl dumbed down the search interface to the point that it's almost impossible to distinguish between file names and approximate strings inside the files. But for that matter, even Google insists on searching for things vaguely close to what I asked for, rather then the actual thing. Thank you, Tony: I thought it was just me! Drives me nuts. I wind up opening a command prompt and using DIR (or grep, depending). Re Google: use verbatim search. Look under Search tools, then All results to find that. I discovered this when I was trying to factcheck a story about an elderly man who got a sensitive part of his anatomy stuck in a chair (I forget why this was interesting at the time, honest!). The word I was searching for has three syllables and begins with t, but Google kept presenting results that had the word balls in them. Smart is good - when I search for 5 cups and it offers five cups, that's a GOOD thing. But it does go too far sometimes. (Also try searching for a restaurant whose name is Italian in Virginia [VA] - va is a common Italian word, so you get tons of hits *from Italy, in Italian*. Adding language:english to the search helps there). ...phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com wrote: My thought. While you are typing a command with a partial Unix file name, leave the cursor at the end of the file name and press a PF key. The routine would open a popup window with a list of possible matches. You could select a option by tabbing to the line with the desired match and pressing enter, or alter the search argument and pressing enter to search again. Would work very much like ISPF 3.4 or the mentioned directory listing. In a true shell environment (not TSO OMVS), The BASH shell does this with the TAB key (I guess in TSO OMVS, this would be a ctrl-i, using the TSO OMVS escape character to emulate the ctrl key press). If you use the standard /bin/sh in z/OS UNIX, and do a set -o vi, then if there exists at least one file name which matches the prefix you entered, a Ctrl-\ (^\) will either: (1) extend the name with the remaining characters in the unique name or; (2) extend the remaining shared characters in the set of possibly matching names. In case #2, with BASH, hitting the TAB key a second time will show all matching names, letting you type in some more characters, then TAB again. Unfortunately, /bin/sh does _NOT_ help in this situation. Which is why I often have _TWO_ shell prompts up in separate windows. One with my command, and another to do an ls command to see which file name I want. I then cut from the ls window and paste into the other window which contains my command. -- Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Mike, I like that solution, very nice . Love time savers ...especially when your up to your ...in alligators Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Dec 3, 2013, at 7:53 PM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com wrote: My thought. While you are typing a command with a partial Unix file name, leave the cursor at the end of the file name and press a PF key. The routine would open a popup window with a list of possible matches. You could select a option by tabbing to the line with the desired match and pressing enter, or alter the search argument and pressing enter to search again. Would work very much like ISPF 3.4 or the mentioned directory listing. On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Phil Smith p...@voltage.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.netmailto:t...@harminc.net wrote: I don't know about OS X, but recent version of Windows have seriousl dumbed down the search interface to the point that it's almost impossible to distinguish between file names and approximate strings inside the files. But for that matter, even Google insists on searching for things vaguely close to what I asked for, rather then the actual thing. Thank you, Tony: I thought it was just me! Drives me nuts. I wind up opening a command prompt and using DIR (or grep, depending). Re Google: use verbatim search. Look under Search tools, then All results to find that. I discovered this when I was trying to factcheck a story about an elderly man who got a sensitive part of his anatomy stuck in a chair (I forget why this was interesting at the time, honest!). The word I was searching for has three syllables and begins with t, but Google kept presenting results that had the word balls in them. Smart is good - when I search for 5 cups and it offers five cups, that's a GOOD thing. But it does go too far sometimes. (Also try searching for a restaurant whose name is Italian in Virginia [VA] - va is a common Italian word, so you get tons of hits *from Italy, in Italian*. Adding language:english to the search helps there). ...phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 12:30:29 -0600, Eric Chevalier wrote: I believe the issue some people are trying to address with a Unix catalog is the case where you DON'T know the full path. ... Now suppose I have some sort of index file where the key is the unqualified file name and the data is the path to that file. I can search the index for my file name and it should quickly show me all the locations where a file by that name is located. (Note that Windows has had such a facility since at least XP.) As has OS X. Also search by substring of filename, and by content. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Worth noting, and not at all to clear from, indeed antiothetical to, the title of this thread is that we are now addressing a deficiency of UNIX, not one of the MVS side of z/OS. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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A list of desktop search engines (which actually have little to do with desktops) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_search_engines#Desktop_search_engines Something like Recoil / Xapian could probably be ported to z/OS. I would guess that the tricky part would be replacing the interface to inotify with w_ioctl / Iocc#regFileInt Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://dovetail.com On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 12:30:29 -0600, Eric Chevalier wrote: I believe the issue some people are trying to address with a Unix catalog is the case where you DON'T know the full path. ... Now suppose I have some sort of index file where the key is the unqualified file name and the data is the path to that file. I can search the index for my file name and it should quickly show me all the locations where a file by that name is located. (Note that Windows has had such a facility since at least XP.) As has OS X. Also search by substring of filename, and by content. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Kirk, Absolutely, that would be a great , interesting conversion to z/OS Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Dec 2, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Kirk Wolf k...@dovetail.com wrote: A list of desktop search engines (which actually have little to do with desktops) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_search_engines#Desktop_search_engines Something like Recoil / Xapian could probably be ported to z/OS. I would guess that the tricky part would be replacing the interface to inotify with w_ioctl / Iocc#regFileInt Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://dovetail.com On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 12:30:29 -0600, Eric Chevalier wrote: I believe the issue some people are trying to address with a Unix catalog is the case where you DON'T know the full path. ... Now suppose I have some sort of index file where the key is the unqualified file name and the data is the path to that file. I can search the index for my file name and it should quickly show me all the locations where a file by that name is located. (Note that Windows has had such a facility since at least XP.) As has OS X. Also search by substring of filename, and by content. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On 3/12/2013 4:16 AM, Kirk Wolf wrote: I would guess that the tricky part would be replacing the interface to inotify with w_ioctl / Iocc#regFileInt I could be wrong but it looks like Iocc#regFileInt doesn't support monitoring directories, which diminishes it's value. A port of inotify for z/OS would be a very nice to have. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
