Old IETF Articles on Google News

2008-10-13 Thread Donald Eastlake
So, a while ago a news article appeared on Google News as apparently current but, when you actually looked at it, was a six year old article about United Airlines filing for bankruptcy. UAL stock lost $1B in value before the confusion was straightened out. It's not that bad but right now if you

Re: where to send RFC 5378 license forms

2008-12-22 Thread Donald Eastlake
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 5:30 AM, Simon Josefsson si...@josefsson.org wrote: ... If you are updating a pre-RFC 5378 document that contains trademarked words, it isn't sufficient for the old contributor to have signed the IETF Trust form if the document contains trademarks. You need to contact

Re: where to send RFC 5378 license forms

2009-01-05 Thread Donald Eastlake
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Simon Josefsson si...@josefsson.orgwrote: Donald Eastlake d3e...@gmail.com writes: On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 5:30 AM, Simon Josefsson si...@josefsson.org wrote: ... If you are updating a pre-RFC 5378 document that contains trademarked words, it isn't

Re: Last Call: draft-eronen-enterprise-number-documentation (Enterprise Number for Documentation Use) to Informational RFC

2009-05-07 Thread Donald Eastlake
Seems like a fine idea.Donald On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:23 AM, The IESG iesg-secret...@ietf.org wrote: The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'Enterprise Number for Documentation Use '

Re: IETF 78 Annoucement

2009-05-26 Thread Donald Eastlake
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:10 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum iljit...@muada.com wrote: On 25 mei 2009, at 23:33, Ole Jacobsen wrote: Of all the people who have to travel to this meeting, I would not have imagined that you would be the one to complain. It just doesn't make sense to me to meet in

draft-ietf-ippm-more-twamp-02.txt

2009-06-02 Thread Donald Eastlake
I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other last call comments. This draft does two things in connection with the

Re: More liberal draft formatting standards required

2009-07-01 Thread Donald Eastlake
I just do my drafts in nroff and edit with emacs. Donald = Donald E. Eastlake 3rd d3e...@gmail.com On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 2:22 AM, Stefan Santessonste...@aaa-sec.com wrote: To respond to the original question. For what it is worth, I have written a simple and

Re: Automatically updated Table of Contents with Nroff

2009-07-14 Thread Donald Eastlake
It's trivial to define nroff macros to create a Table of Contents. Donald = Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-634-2066 (home) 155 Beaver Street Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e...@gmail.com On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Stefan Santessonste...@aaa-sec.com wrote: As I

Re: IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust

2009-08-01 Thread Donald Eastlake
Just be sure they are labeled Reprint. Donald = Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-634-2066 (home) 155 Beaver Street Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e...@gmail.com On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 12:40 AM, James M. Polkjmp...@cisco.com wrote: This is a cool design, I agree. With

draft-zorn-radius-pkmv1-05.txt

2009-08-19 Thread Donald Eastlake
I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other last call comments. This document defines seven RADIUS Attributes to support

Re: draft-zorn-radius-pkmv1-05.txt

2009-08-26 Thread Donald Eastlake
Hi Glen, See below... On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Glen Zorng...@net-zen.net wrote: Donald Eastlake [mailto:d3e...@gmail.com] writes: I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG.  Document

Re: draft-zorn-radius-pkmv1-05.txt

2009-08-26 Thread Donald Eastlake
Yes, the changes below look good to me. Thanks, Donald On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Glen Zorng...@net-zen.net wrote: Donald Eastlake [mailto:d3e...@gmail.com] writes: ... The wording in Sections 3.1 and 3.2 see to almost be designed to allow the possibility of the multiple *-Cert

Re: draft-zorn-radius-pkmv1-05.txt

2009-08-26 Thread Donald Eastlake
Looks OK to me, Donald On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Glen Zorng...@net-zen.net wrote: … PKMv1 has some fairly serious security problems that are described here: http://www2.computer.org/portal/web/csdl/doi/10.1109/SNPD.2008.138 So I think the question is whether this document can make

Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optional/mandatory nature of IESG notes

2009-09-03 Thread Donald Eastlake
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Adam Roacha...@nostrum.com wrote: Joel M. Halpern wrote: ... Remember also that in terms of the text being a recommendation, this is not a change in practice.  This is the practice we have had for more than the last 15 years.  If, for Independent Submissions,

Re: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis and the optional/mandatory nature of IESG notes

2009-09-09 Thread Donald Eastlake
Sam, The burden of proof rests on those like you who wish to change the independent stream from a respected independent publishing channel to something subservient to the Area Directors, a change which seems entirely gratuitous without any historically demonstrated need. Donald On Wed, Sep 9,

Re: IASA Experiments and responsibilities (was: Re: Some more background on the RFID experiment in Hiroshima)

2009-09-14 Thread Donald Eastlake
John, I can back most of your statement and the things you do but that below is just absolutely absurd. The RFID badge thing originated in the HOST not in IASA. It is entirely within normal facilities arrangement and negotiation to use pre-existing badge arrangements, particularly where there is

Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a future meeting of the IETF

2009-09-18 Thread Donald Eastlake
To quote from Wikipedia: Most national laws of the People's Republic of China do not apply to the Special Administrative Regions of Hong Kong or Macau. There are no known cases of the Chinese authorities censoring critical political or religious [Internet] content in those territories. I am

Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a future meeting of the IETF

2009-09-20 Thread Donald Eastlake
Steve, No, ignoring extreme situations and unless a promise of no Internet access censorship for the IETF meeting can be obtained, it is a choice between endorsing censorship or opposing it. Networks censored on a political, religious, and cultural basis do not Bring People Together. Your

draft-ietf-geopriv-held-identity-extensions-00

2009-10-20 Thread Donald Eastlake
This is an early security directorate review at the request of the working group. This draft is of extensions to existing drafts. Those existing drafts permit a Device to request its location using HTTP based on the source IP address in the requesting packets and include security precautions

Re: publishing some standards immediately at Draft-Standard status?

2009-11-12 Thread Donald Eastlake
If you read the definitions and theoretic criterial for Proposed versus Draft, it makes a lot of sense. Proposed is just proposed and non-injurious to the Internet. Draft required interoperability of independent implementations and is the first level where widespread implementation is recommended.

draft-cheshire-dnsext-multicastdns-08.txt

2009-12-13 Thread Donald Eastlake
I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other last call comments. This informational draft specifies a multicast

Why the normative form of IETF Standards is ASCII

2010-03-11 Thread Donald Eastlake
Periodically, there are flame wars on the IETF mailing list that the IETF should / shouldn't adopt the latest fad is document formats, postscript, PDF, whatever, since, after all, everyone uses them, claims they are too complicated and keep changing resulting in version/font/... problems are

Re: Why the normative form of IETF Standards is ASCII

2010-03-11 Thread Donald Eastlake
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Andrew Sullivan a...@shinkuro.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 10:32:49AM -0500, Donald Eastlake wrote: version/font/... problems are overblow, etc. As a data point, I would refer people to http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/031010-hackers-love-to-exploit

Re: What day is 2010-01-02

2010-03-13 Thread Donald Eastlake
I think the ISO standard is fine. Multi-letter month abbreviations are probably OK but are a little different in different languages. Lets stick with 2010-01-02. Thanks, Donald On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Scott Brim scott.b...@gmail.com wrote: Cullen Jennings allegedly wrote on 03/13/2010

Re: Make HTML and PDF more prominent, was: Re: Why the normative

2010-03-20 Thread Donald Eastlake
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Martin Rex m...@sap.com wrote: ... And if we should change anything about the Author's Address section, then it would be to replace the contact information with URLs to an IETF web server where each author can update/maintain his contact information. No.

Re: Make HTML and PDF more prominent, was: Re: Why the normative

2010-03-20 Thread Donald Eastlake
would avoid making the false promise that RFCs are available online. Donald On Mar 20, 2010 11:18 AM, Donald Eastlake d3e...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Martin Rex m...@sap.com wrote: ... And if we should change anything about the Author's Address section

Re: Above market hotel room rates

2010-03-24 Thread Donald Eastlake
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Lou Berger lber...@labn.net wrote: I asked Ray about this problem in Hiroshima, his response was something along the lines of conference rates are different and more complicated from regular hotel rates. I have to say, I really think the community deserves a

Re: Public musing on the nature of IETF membership and employment status

2010-04-06 Thread Donald Eastlake
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Mark Atwood m...@mark.atwood.name wrote: Much of what makes the IETF work is how it is very different from other standards bodies (such as IEEE, ANSI, ISO, NIST, ITU, etc etc). One key difference is that groups do not join the IETF. That's part of it but

Re: Public musing on the nature of IETF membership and employment status

2010-04-08 Thread Donald Eastlake
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 7:14 AM, Roni Even ron.even@gmail.com wrote: If this is true it make me wonder why does the IETF care about the affiliation of WG chairs and ADs Roni Even The reason traditionally given that IETF participants in general give their affiliation is for purposes of

Re: [PWE3] Posting of IPR Disclosure related to Cisco's Statement of IPR relating to draft-ietf-pwe3-oam-msg-map-12

2010-04-16 Thread Donald Eastlake
There is no such rule in the IETF, although perhaps patent discussions need some moderation to avoid becoming ratholes. To quote some pieces of text from RFC 3669 (which I recommend you read in full): It's all right, and sometimes beneficial, to discuss IPR claims and gather information

Re: Rationale for public, non-subscribable mailing lists

2010-04-19 Thread Donald Eastlake
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Arnt Gulbrandsen a...@gulbrandsen.priv.no wrote: Florian Weimer writes: Okay, you're using Mailman to administrate team membership. Let me say that I think this is a bit bizarre, but it's some sort of technical reason. (Other organizations keep team rosters

Re: Formal SPAM Compliant filed against Anderson...

2010-05-05 Thread Donald Eastlake
All human systems of sufficient size and significance need a means of protection from abuse of process. This IETF process uses email and thus needs protection from the abuse thereof. In my opinion, the IETF method of deciding to bar people from various mailing lists is fine and the IETF is pretty

Re: Last Call: Policy Statement on the Day Pass Experiment

2010-05-08 Thread Donald Eastlake
I think the policy recommended by the IESG is the right thing. Since IETF WGs operate via their mailing lists, IETF meeting are for cross area / cross WG interaction, which only works for people there a significant part of the week. This is the reason why the IETF has traditionally refused to

Re: Advance travel info for IETF-78 Maastricht

2010-05-10 Thread Donald Eastlake
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 5:05 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum iljit...@muada.com wrote: On 10 mei 2010, at 5:01, ty...@mit.edu wrote: I talked to a cab driver in Boston, and he's not very happy with credit cards, because he was forced to use a new system for credit cards, and it takes what he

Re: Last Call: Policy Statement on the Day Pass Experiment

2010-05-10 Thread Donald Eastlake
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Kurt Zeilenga kurt.zeile...@isode.com wrote: ... Well, being such a person, before I registered for a day pass I did not consider the NOMCOM ramifications.  If I had, I think it would likely that I would simply have assumed the existing BCP were in force.

Re: Last Call: Policy Statement on the Day Pass Experiment

2010-05-10 Thread Donald Eastlake
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Ted Hardie ted.i...@gmail.com wrote: ... We need all the volunteers we can get. I think that's nonsense and typical of the fixation in recent years on maximizing the quantity of nomcom volunteers with little apparent concern for their level of interest. As far

Re: Last Call: Policy Statement on the Day Pass Experiment

2010-05-10 Thread Donald Eastlake
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Ted Hardie ted.i...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Donald Eastlake d3e...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Ted Hardie ted.i...@gmail.com wrote: ... We need all the volunteers we can get. I think that's nonsense

Re: open protocols

2010-05-25 Thread Donald Eastlake
It's all bit complicated but, yes, anyone can publish copies of RFCs, including translations into other languages. (See http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info/archive/IETF-Trust-License-Policy-20091228.pdffor latest provisions.) Patent questions can be even more complex but, generally speaking,

Re: Comments on draft-cooper-privacy-policy-01.txt

2010-07-11 Thread Donald Eastlake
The sniffed passwords were sometimes displayed in real time on a monitor facing the audience from the front of the room. This activity was never called research that I can recall. I think the majority reaction was that this was a fine thing to motivate improvements in security practice. Only one

Re: Admission Control to the IETF 78 and IETF 79 Networks

2010-07-12 Thread Donald Eastlake
See belos ... On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker hal...@gmail.com wrote: No, if you read my book you would see the scheme I am proposing. The problem with current MAC addresses is that they are not trustworthy. That is accepted. If MAC addresses were not trivially

Re: Nomcom Enhancements: Improving the IETF leadership selection process

2010-07-30 Thread Donald Eastlake
I can see the desire to have some more experience on the nomcom. However, I am completely opposed to invidious schemes to divide the nomcom voting members into two (or more) classes. And I think the desired results can be obtained without doing so. The current qualification is attendance 3 out

Re: Ad Hoc BOFs

2010-08-01 Thread Donald Eastlake
On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Joel M. Halpern j...@joelhalpern.comwrote: ... 1) If there is no I-D and no mailing list, then no, you can not have a room suitable for 50+ people. ... +10**10 If there is no ID and no mailing list at least several weeks in advance, you should either have a

Re: IETF Attendance by continent

2010-08-07 Thread Donald Eastlake
Assuming the very simple model that attendance consists of a fixed number of constant attendees from each continent plus a continentally local variable number that only show up when the IETF meets on their continent and using the very limited data provided, using a rough least squares fit I get

Re: Varying meeting venue -- why?

2010-08-12 Thread Donald Eastlake
1) I'm also in favor of Canadian venues for North American meetings. 2) On long term contracts, you can get some saving, but you have to be careful. I have some experience with holding a convention in the same city every year for decades. If you stick with the same facility year after year, you

Re: Meeting Venue Preference Survey

2010-08-30 Thread Donald Eastlake
It depends what you want to do. Technical participation in a working group by email works pretty well. But if you want to talk in person to WG chairs of ADs or the IANA or RFC Editor staff or be eligible for NomCom or have more impact at BoFs, etc., being there is important. See also RFC 4144.

Re: DNSSEC

2010-08-31 Thread Donald Eastlake
Hi Phil, On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Phillip Hallam-Baker hal...@gmail.com wrote: Whether or not the IAB zone is signed is of negligible consequence. But the fact that the IAB zone signatures had expired is a highly significant data point: DNSSEC administration is not quite as easy as

Re: Optimizing for what? Was Re: IETF Attendance by continent

2010-08-31 Thread Donald Eastlake
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Hadriel Kaplan hkap...@acmepacket.com wrote: On Aug 30, 2010, at 6:21 PM, Randall Gellens wrote: Why Kauai?  You list detailed reasons why Hawaii is logical and solves for many of the problems, but you don't say why this island. Because it's the nicest,

Re: Document Action: 'ANSI C12.22, IEEE 1703 and MC12.22 TransportOver IP' to Informational RFC

2010-10-26 Thread Donald Eastlake
If there is something in the IESG write-up that is needed to understand the nature of a document, that material should also appear in the document. Most people looking at RFCs probably don't even know that an IESG write-up might exist or where to find it and even those who do know about the IESG

Re: An archive for nerdy t-shirts

2010-10-28 Thread Donald Eastlake
These are unemployed engineers, right? Donald On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Lucy Lynch lly...@civil-tongue.net wrote: On Thu, 28 Oct 2010, Paul Hoffman wrote: http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/2731 Those of you with a good collection of old IETF t-shirts (and other schwag; did anyone

draft-cheshire-dnsext-multicastdns-12.txt

2010-11-30 Thread Donald Eastlake
I have reviewed this document as part of the Security Directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other last call comments. This Standards Track draft specifies a multicast

Re: A new version of draft-yevstifeyev-abnf-separated-lists

2010-12-10 Thread Donald Eastlake
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote: Mykyta Yevstifeyev evnikita2 at gmail dot com wrote: ... Acknowledgments    Many thanks to (in alphabetical order): Tony Hansen, Thomson Martin    and Barry Leiba for their weighty input to this document. This doesn't

Re: [secdir] Secdir review of draft-ietf-isis-trill

2010-12-19 Thread Donald Eastlake
My apologies for responding slowly, I was traveling. If it is tolerable to people, I do not mind adding the two sentences requested by Sam to the isis-trill draft. Thanks, Donald PS: It appears to me that the same considerations apply to draft-ietf-isis-ieee-aq. On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 10:45

Re: [secdir] Secdir review of draft-ietf-isis-trill

2010-12-20 Thread Donald Eastlake
Hi, On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Sam Hartman hartmans-i...@mit.edu wrote: Radia == Radia Perlman radiaperl...@gmail.com writes:    Radia No objections.  Radia Can I get someone to confirm that the text in the proposed sentences is substantially true? I think so but I'm not an IS-IS

Re: [secdir] Secdir review of draft-ietf-isis-trill

2010-12-20 Thread Donald Eastlake
Hi, On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Stewart Bryant stbry...@cisco.com wrote: On 20/12/2010 18:43, Donald Eastlake wrote: Hi, On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Sam Hartmanhartmans-i...@mit.edu  wrote: Radia == Radia Perlmanradiaperl...@gmail.com  writes:    Radia  No objections.  Radia

Re: Old transport-layer protocols to Historic?

2011-01-06 Thread Donald Eastlake
I have also seen attempts to make a standard Historic with the supposed reason being to clear things out for the introduction of some better replacement. That seems like just nonsense to me. If it is so obvious that a replacement is superior, the replacement document can do the move of earlier

Re: Last Call on draft-ietf-pim-registry-03.txt

2011-01-12 Thread Donald Eastlake
Almost all registries I'm familiar with explicitly list unassigned ranges. In some cases, different unassigned subranges have different allocation policies. For example, there may be a small unassigned range of lower values requiring Standards Action with the bulk of the unassigned values

Re: Change control

2011-01-19 Thread Donald Eastlake
Hi, On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:20 PM, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: Hello, This is the second time in a year that I came across a case where a non-IETF group sought to maintain change control over a draft.  In the first case, several iterations of the draft were posted and the author solicited

Re: IETF 83 Venue

2011-01-21 Thread Donald Eastlake
I had the impression that it was the International Earth Rotation Service (www.iers.org), also headquartered in Paris, that was in charge of leap seconds, as stated here http://www.iers.org/nn_11252/IERS/EN/DataProducts/EarthOrientationData/bulC__MD.html Thanks, Donald

Re: Last Call: draft-housley-two-maturity-levels-06.txt (Reducing the Standards Track to Two Maturity Levels) to BCP

2011-05-05 Thread Donald Eastlake
I think this draft may do a little good, but mostly based on the attention it brings to the issue. If it is actually desired to make it easier to become a Proposed Standard, it would be quite easy and straightforward to take real steps that would make a real different. For example, to *prohibit*

Re: Last Call: draft-faltstrom-5892bis-04.txt (The Unicode code points and IDNA - Unicode 6.0) to Proposed Standard

2011-05-26 Thread Donald Eastlake
For all those people just dying to know about this character (U+19DA), the latest Unicode code chart listing it is here http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U1980.pdf and the name of the character is NEW TAI LUE THAM DIGIT ONE. Thanks, Donald =  Donald E. Eastlake 3rd  

Re: [codec] Last Call: draft-ietf-codec-requirements-04.txt (Codec Requirements) to Informational RFC

2011-06-17 Thread Donald Eastlake
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Christian Hoene ho...@uni-tuebingen.de wrote: Hello, In this draft, the editors of draft are not named as editors but as authors. Thus, I would suggest to follow the example given in http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5620.txt and add an , Ed. behind the names.

Re: Why ask for IETF Consensus on a WG document?

2011-06-24 Thread Donald Eastlake
An IETF consensus call is judgement as to rough consensus. There is no mechanical set of rules that can substitute for judgement. WG Chairs judge the consensus of the Working Group. It is reasonable for them to take into account discussions at WG meetings as well as WG mailing list discussions.

Re: Why ask for IETF Consensus on a WG document?

2011-06-24 Thread Donald Eastlake
Hi Melinda, On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Melinda Shore melinda.sh...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/24/2011 06:46 AM, Donald Eastlake wrote: If polls at area meetings with 100+ people at them at three successive IETF meetings on different continents consistently show, say, a 3 to 1 preference

Re: Why ask for IETF Consensus on a WG document?

2011-06-24 Thread Donald Eastlake
Hi Martin, On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Martin Rex m...@sap.com wrote: Donald Eastlake wrote: If polls at area meetings with 100+ people at them at three successive IETF meetings on different continents consistently show, say, a 3 to 1 preference for some proposal but the IETF Last call

Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages

2011-07-15 Thread Donald Eastlake
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 12:14 PM, ned+i...@mauve.mrochek.com wrote: Obviously we need to take a typical step back first and determine the scope of the problem.  We need to commission a requirements for noise ID first. Can we schedule a BOF? Perhaps a symbolic burning of notices?

Re: New Non-WG Mailing List: happiana -- IETF/W3C/IANA Registry Happiness

2011-08-03 Thread Donald Eastlake
Why can't we get informative explanations of what problem non-WG mailing lists are trying to address? Thanks, Donald =  Donald E. Eastlake 3rd   +1-508-333-2270 (cell)  155 Beaver Street  Milford, MA 01757 USA  d3e...@gmail.com On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 2:54 PM, IETF

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

2011-08-23 Thread Donald Eastlake
Most hotel contracts I've signed have a clause called Attrition which calls for payment if the rooms actually taken fall below some percentage of the room block, like below 90% or the like. Thanks, Donald =  Donald E. Eastlake 3rd   +1-508-333-2270 (cell)  155 Beaver

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

2011-08-24 Thread Donald Eastlake
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Geoff Mulligan geoff.i...@mulligan.com wrote: ... You could pick Rosemont, IL (next to O'hare) for every meeting (oops, sorry - misses on decent food). Minneapolis or Chicago, one place doesn't make it. The policy of the IETF has been to meet where the

Re: https

2011-08-26 Thread Donald Eastlake
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 4:39 AM, t.petch daedu...@btconnect.com wrote: - Original Message - From: SM s...@resistor.net To: t.petch daedu...@btconnect.com Cc: IETF Discussion ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: https Hi Tom, At 00:18 26-08-2011, t.petch wrote: Besides all the usual hassle

Re: voting system for future venues?

2011-08-29 Thread Donald Eastlake
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Henk Uijterwaal henk.uijterw...@gmail.com wrote: ... Discussions with the hotel starts only 2 years out, so fixing dates 3 years out won't change a thing.   There is also the clash list, which limits the weeks when we can have a meeting. If we want more

Re: 2119bis

2011-09-01 Thread Donald Eastlake
I do not believe there is any need to change RFC 2119. Thanks, Donald =  Donald E. Eastlake 3rd   +1-508-333-2270 (cell)  155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA  d3e...@gmail.com On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Scott O. Bradner s...@harvard.edu wrote: I've been

Re: Wikis for RFCs

2011-09-19 Thread Donald Eastlake
I think a wiki per RFC with any sort of official IETF status is a bad idea that would create many cesspools of controversy. Donald On 9/19/11, Melinda Shore melinda.sh...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/19/11 8:14 AM, Alejandro Acosta wrote: +1 I also support the idea of every RFC havving the

Re: Requirement to go to meetings

2011-10-23 Thread Donald Eastlake
2/3rds of the IETF meetings in the USA would exacerbate visa problems for many attendees. I don't mind some amount of regularity in meeting site, like Minneapolis, or going where it's inexpensive (by the way, the Boston area is really cheap in the winter) but I think you need more variety than

Re: Requirement to go to meetings

2011-10-26 Thread Donald Eastlake
Nothing happens without deadlines. I'd be more in favor of going back to 4 meetings a year than going to 2... Thanks, Donald =  Donald E. Eastlake 3rd   +1-508-333-2270 (cell)  155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA  d3e...@gmail.com On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:38

Re: Requirement to go to meetings

2011-10-28 Thread Donald Eastlake
+1 Donald On Friday, October 28, 2011, Ray Bellis ray.bel...@nominet.org.uk wrote: On 27 Oct 2011, at 12:03, Richard Kulawiec wrote: I support this concept, although I would go much further and eliminate ALL face-to-face meetings. I absolutely wouldn't. Travel (for meetings) is

Re: The death John McCarthy

2011-11-01 Thread Donald Eastlake
I worked at the MIT AI Lab for a number of years and visited SAIL several times. Thanks, Donald =  Donald E. Eastlake 3rd   +1-508-333-2270 (cell)  155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA  d3e...@gmail.com On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Steve Crocker

draft-ietf-savi-framework-05 SECDIR review

2011-11-02 Thread Donald Eastlake
draft-ietf-savi-framework-05.txt This document is a high level framework for SAVI and references a number of other documents. As such, I think, that the Security Considerations section is probably of adequate depth. However, there are a number of wording problems, both clarity and grammar, that I

Re: An Antitrust Policy for the IETF

2011-11-29 Thread Donald Eastlake
Hi, On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 1:38 AM, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: At 10:50 28-11-2011, IETF Chair wrote: The IETF legal counsel and insurance agent suggest that the IETF ought to have an antitrust policy.  To address this need, a lawyer is needed.  As a way forward, I suggest that IASA pay a

Re: Last Call: draft-gerhards-syslog-plain-tcp-11.txt (Transmission ofSyslog Messages over TCP) to Informational RFC

2011-12-13 Thread Donald Eastlake
That's very interesting. I've produced a number of RFCs over the years that reference US-ASCII and, since I had no idea that RFC 20 existed (it wasn't even on line when I started), I've always used the following reference. No one ever pointed out RFC 20 to me... ANSI, USA Standard Code for

Re: I wish ...

2011-12-20 Thread Donald Eastlake
The end of year Holiday season is not generally known as a time when lots of work gets done. Thanks, Donald =  Donald E. Eastlake 3rd   +1-508-333-2270 (cell)  155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA  d3e...@gmail.com On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:21 AM, t.petch

Re: primary Paris hotel booking

2012-01-03 Thread Donald Eastlake
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Andy Bierman a...@netconfcentral.org wrote: On 01/03/2012 08:52 AM, George, Wes wrote: Happy New Year, it's time for our triannual hotel complaint thread. I hate to do it, but I think that there are people who haven't looked at this yet, and I'm hoping that we

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-dnsext-xnamercode-00.txt (xNAME RCODE and Status Bits Clarification) to Proposed Standard

2012-01-24 Thread Donald Eastlake
Hi, On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 2:04 PM, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: At 10:23 23-01-2012, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from the DNS Extensions WG (dnsext) to consider the following document: - 'xNAME RCODE and Status Bits Clarification'  draft-ietf-dnsext-xnamercode-00.txt as

Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-14.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Address Space) to BCP

2012-02-14 Thread Donald Eastlake
I also support this draft. Donald On Tuesday, February 14, 2012, Daryl Tanner daryl.tan...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: I support this updated draft, and I am keen for this to be published as a BCP. I believe the amendments in this revision clarify the usage and intended purpose of the shared

Re: provisioning software, was DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with

2012-03-04 Thread Donald Eastlake
Hey, if people don't like the restrictions of the TXT RR, have I got an answer for you! See http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dnsind-kitchen-sink-02 A little out of data but gives you a wide variety of formats :-) Thanks, Donald =  Donald E. Eastlake 3rd  

Re: Gen-ART LC/Telechat review of draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-extension-04

2012-06-01 Thread Donald Eastlake
Hi Ben, Thanks for your review. See responses below. On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Ben Campbell b...@nostrum.com wrote: I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq. Please

Re: Gen-ART LC/Telechat review of draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-extension-04

2012-06-03 Thread Donald Eastlake
Hi Ben, On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Ben Campbell b...@nostrum.com wrote: Thanks for the quick response. Further comments inline. I deleted sections that do not appear to need further discussion. Thanks! Ben. On Jun 1, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Donald Eastlake wrote: Hi Ben, Thanks

Re: Protocol Definition

2012-06-22 Thread Donald Eastlake
How about RFC 1661. Thanks, Donald =  Donald E. Eastlake 3rd   +1-508-333-2270 (cell)  155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA  d3e...@gmail.com On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Tony Finch d...@dotat.at wrote: Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: All protocols in IETF

Re: New Version Notification for draft-leiba-3777upd-eligibility-00.txt

2012-07-30 Thread Donald Eastlake
Sees reasonable. While you are at it, you might complete the I* with IANA... Thanks, Donald = Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e...@gmail.com On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Barry Leiba

Re: NomCom 2012-2013: Third Call for Volunteers

2012-08-01 Thread Donald Eastlake
(1) Your figures show that it is more likely that a noncom member will be selected from an affiliation listed by only one volunteer then that they are to be selected from any specific affiliation listed by more than one volunteer. (2) Because of appearances of biased voting membership in some

Re: ITU-T Dubai Meeting and IPv15

2012-08-11 Thread Donald Eastlake
One problem with excessively large fields, including variable length addresses with a high maximum length, is that the next time someone wants to encode some additional information, they just tuck it inside that field in some quasi-proprietary way, instead of going to the trouble of actually

Re: Some thoughts about draft-leiba-3777upd-eligibility-02.txt

2012-08-21 Thread Donald Eastlake
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Barry Leiba barryle...@computer.org wrote: I have one discussion point and a number of small nits... ... There are just two points in your comments that I want to pursue: 15.2. People serving in the IETF Secretariat and the RFC Editor may

Re: IETF...the unconference of SDOs

2012-09-10 Thread Donald Eastlake
On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 12:49 AM, Noel Chiappa j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu wrote: From: Randy Bush ra...@psg.com i say scott should teach emacs :) Epsilon, dude! Who the heck wants to write their editor extensions in freaking LISP? :-) http://xkcd.com/297/ Thanks, Donald

Re: [RFC 3777 Update for Vacancies]

2012-10-29 Thread Donald Eastlake
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 9:58 AM, John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote: --On Monday, October 29, 2012 14:06 +0100 Eliot Lear l...@cisco.com wrote: Bob, everyone, As I've mentioned, I'd prefer an alternative to what the authors have written. Call this the let's program ourselves out of

Re: Newcomers [Was: Evolutionizing the IETF]

2012-11-10 Thread Donald Eastlake
Right. See RFC 4144. Thanks, Donald = Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e...@gmail.com On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Mary Barnes mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 10:51 AM,

Re: IETF work is done on the mailing lists

2012-11-27 Thread Donald Eastlake
I generally agree with Joe. There should be discussion but the distribution of that discussion between meeting and mailing list is not significant; however, there must be sufficient opportunity for objection or additional comments on the mailing list and, in the case of discussion at a meeting,

Re: Simplifying our processes: Conference Calls

2012-12-04 Thread Donald Eastlake
It's a question of costs and benefits. The cost of the IETF Announce posting is small. There are not that many of them and I don't find them to be a burden. The benefit in openness and transparency is large. Thus the answer is simple and the policy should remain as it is for now. If conditions

Re: [trill] Last Call: draft-ietf-trill-oam-req-04.txt (Requirements for Operations, Administration and Maintenance (OAM) in TRILL (Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links)) to Informational RF

2012-12-19 Thread Donald Eastlake
Hi Gayle, On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 7:43 PM, gayle noble wind...@skyhighway.com wrote: Very well written!! No spelling errors! No grammatical errors! Only one sentence, in my opinion, could be rephrased for clarity 4.1. Data Plane RBridges MUST have the ability to identify OAM frames destined

Re: Last Call: draft-bonica-special-purpose-03.txt (Special-Purpose Address Registries) to Best Current Practice

2012-12-20 Thread Donald Eastlake
How about changing the title from Special-Purpose Address Registries to Special-Purpose IP Address Registries. Thanks, Donald = Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e...@gmail.com On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 3:55

Re: travel guide for the next IETF...

2013-01-02 Thread Donald Eastlake
Hi, On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Michael Richardson m...@sandelman.ca wrote: Dave == Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net writes: Dave Quick, name five reasons to go to Orlando. Here are mine: Dave Puerto Rican Dave delicacies, alternative cinema, craft beer, African-American

Re: A proposal for a scientific approach to this question [was Re: I'm struggling with 2219 language again]

2013-01-08 Thread Donald Eastlake
Another problem is maintenance. Protocols change. Having to maintain a formal specification is commonly at least an order of magnitude more effort than maintaining a prose description. So it doesn't happen and they very rapidly get out of synch in any living protocol. As an example, the IEEE

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