Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-05-06 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 31.03.2010, at 07:22, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > On 03/30/2010 08:41 PM, Philip Olson wrote: >> >> It's awesome that PHP has so many great options for the next Release Manager >> because all of the proposed people would do great. However, I'd like to see >> Rasmus become RM. Not sure about the

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-04-29 Thread Adam Harvey
2010/4/30 Gwynne Raskind : > On Apr 29, 2010, at 10:05 AM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: As I've mentioned in the past I think we are better off with shorter release cycles and less features per cycle. Reduces risk and enables us to push out value faster. For example, we have made (and

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-04-29 Thread Gwynne Raskind
Raskind; Ilia Alshanetsky; Kalle Sommer Nielsen; Lukas Kahwe >>>> Smith; Andi Gutmans; Derick Rethans; PHP Developers Mailing List >>>> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open >>>> >>>> On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 17:46 +0200, Pierre Joye wrote: >>>&g

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-04-29 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
d; Ilia Alshanetsky; Kalle Sommer Nielsen; Lukas Kahwe >>> Smith; Andi Gutmans; Derick Rethans; PHP Developers Mailing List >>> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open >>> >>> On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 17:46 +0200, Pierre Joye wrote: >>>> Bef

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-04-28 Thread Jérôme Loyet
h; Andi Gutmans; Derick Rethans; PHP Developers Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open >> >> On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 17:46 +0200, Pierre Joye wrote: >> > Before even thinking about a planning, we have to define what we want >> > in and how we go

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-04-28 Thread Sebastian Bergmann
Am 29.04.2010 07:28, schrieb Andi Gutmans: > I think with traits, performance enhancements and a few additional > changes we already have a pretty substantial version. +1 -- Sebastian BergmannCo-Founder and Principal Consultant http://sebastian-bergmann.de/

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-04-28 Thread Brian Moon
As I've mentioned in the past I think we are better off with shorter release cycles and less features per cycle. Reduces risk and enables us to push out value faster. For example, we have made (and are still making) significant performance enhancements to the runtime. It'd be a shame if that waite

RE: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-04-28 Thread Andi Gutmans
ing List > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open > > On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 17:46 +0200, Pierre Joye wrote: > > Before even thinking about a planning, we have to define what we want > > in and how we go further. > > ACK, I think it makes sense to define some

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-04-27 Thread Pierrick Charron
+1 For derick and Kalle 2010/4/27 Kalle Sommer Nielsen : > Hi > > 2010/3/24 Lukas Kahwe Smith : >> Yeah, lets get that clarified. Derick has stepped up and seems quite >> committed and nobody seemed to oppose him RMing the next release. In case he >> feels he needs support he can propose a co-RM

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-04-27 Thread Johannes Schlüter
On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 17:46 +0200, Pierre Joye wrote: > Before even thinking about a planning, we have to define what we want > in and how we go further. ACK, I think it makes sense to define some "key features" we want for the next release (traits seem to be one). An issue with 5.3 was that whene

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-04-27 Thread Pierre Joye
Before even thinking about a planning, we have to define what we want in and how we go further. That being said, my vote remains the same as before. Cheers, On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Gwynne Raskind wrote: > +1 for Derick and Kalle, and +1 for alpha by Q4. > > On Apr 27, 2010, at 8:53 AM,

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-04-27 Thread Gwynne Raskind
+1 for Derick and Kalle, and +1 for alpha by Q4. On Apr 27, 2010, at 8:53 AM, Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: > +1 for a co-RM of Derick and Kalle > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Kalle Sommer Nielsen wrote: >> Hi >> >> 2010/3/24 Lukas Kahwe Smith : >>> Yeah, lets get that clarified. Derick has ste

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-04-27 Thread Ilia Alshanetsky
+1 for a co-RM of Derick and Kalle On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Kalle Sommer Nielsen wrote: > Hi > > 2010/3/24 Lukas Kahwe Smith : > > Yeah, lets get that clarified. Derick has stepped up and seems quite > committed and nobody seemed to oppose him RMing the next release. In case he > feels h

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-04-26 Thread Kalle Sommer Nielsen
Hi 2010/3/24 Lukas Kahwe Smith : > Yeah, lets get that clarified. Derick has stepped up and seems quite > committed and nobody seemed to oppose him RMing the next release. In case he > feels he needs support he can propose a co-RM, after all its important that > the two RM's know and trust each

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-04-24 Thread David Soria Parra
On 2010-03-24, David Soria Parra wrote: > On 2010-03-24, Derick Rethans wrote: >> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > Although I can see me doing RM as well (as proposed), I don't think having > two tech people as RMs would be good and might result in unecessary > discussions during a

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-30 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
On 03/30/2010 08:41 PM, Philip Olson wrote: > > It's awesome that PHP has so many great options for the next Release Manager > because all of the proposed people would do great. However, I'd like to see > Rasmus become RM. Not sure about the co-RM topic but Chris Jones comes to > mind. I love t

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-30 Thread Kalle Sommer Nielsen
2010/3/31 Philip Olson : > And while Rasmus may [or may not] deny his BDFL status, I'd love to see it in > high gear especially now that he's funemployed. +1 -- regards, Kalle Sommer Nielsen ka...@php.net -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://w

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-30 Thread Gwynne Raskind
On Mar 30, 2010, at 11:41 PM, Philip Olson wrote: > It's awesome that PHP has so many great options for the next Release Manager > because all of the proposed people would do great. However, I'd like to see > Rasmus become RM. Not sure about the co-RM topic but Chris Jones comes to > mind. I lov

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-30 Thread Philip Olson
It's awesome that PHP has so many great options for the next Release Manager because all of the proposed people would do great. However, I'd like to see Rasmus become RM. Not sure about the co-RM topic but Chris Jones comes to mind. I love the way these two guys handle things, and it feels like

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-28 Thread sean finney
hi florian, On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 03:28:39PM +0100, Florian Anderiasch wrote: > The core differences I'm seeing here is: > > - DPL (Debian Project Leader) != PHP RM (Release Manager) > It's actually not even remotely comparable. what would be more comparable would be the debian RM('s). and

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-27 Thread Florian Anderiasch
On 27.03.2010 13:13, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > I like the way how the debian guys elect the project leader: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Project_organization > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Debian-organigram.png > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulze_method Hi, while I do agree that they

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-27 Thread Ferenc Kovacs
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > > On 25.03.2010, at 22:58, Christopher Jones wrote: > > > After considering what is needed by PHP, I believe the vote should > > primarily be thought of as a choice between Derick and David. If > > either wants to bring in a co-RM to sh

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-27 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 25.03.2010, at 22:58, Christopher Jones wrote: > After considering what is needed by PHP, I believe the vote should > primarily be thought of as a choice between Derick and David. If > either wants to bring in a co-RM to share the load, then I suggest > Lukas be first choice. > > I'd be happ

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-25 Thread David Soria Parra
On 2010-03-25, Christopher Jones wrote: > Disclaimer: David works at Sun which was recently bought by Oracle. Just to make sure everyone has the same information here: I leave Sun at the end of the month. -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-25 Thread Christopher Jones
Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > On 24.03.2010, at 11:08, Pierre Joye wrote: > >> skills. You suggested Chris and I think he could do a great job. My > > Just to clarify as I mentioned this on IRC and not on here. I think > it would be great to have Chris Jones do the "organizational" > co-RM. For one

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-24 Thread David Soria Parra
On 2010-03-24, Derick Rethans wrote: > On Wed, 24 Mar 2010, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > >> On 23.03.2010, at 23:04, Andi Gutmans wrote: >> >> > What about defining a release manager for the next release? I think that >> > is an important aspect of moving things forward. I also thought the dual >>

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-24 Thread Pierre Joye
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Jani Taskinen wrote: > 24.3.2010 12:02, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: >> >> On 23.03.2010, at 23:04, Andi Gutmans wrote: >> >>> What about defining a release manager for the next release? I think that >>> is an important aspect of moving things forward. I also thought t

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-24 Thread Jani Taskinen
24.3.2010 12:02, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > > On 23.03.2010, at 23:04, Andi Gutmans wrote: > >> What about defining a release manager for the next release? I think that >> is an important aspect of moving things forward. I also thought the dual >> RM in PHP 5.3 worked quite well although it is no

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-24 Thread Derick Rethans
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > On 23.03.2010, at 23:04, Andi Gutmans wrote: > > > What about defining a release manager for the next release? I think that > > is an important aspect of moving things forward. I also thought the dual > > RM in PHP 5.3 worked quite well although it

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-24 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 24.03.2010, at 11:08, Pierre Joye wrote: > skills. You suggested Chris and I think he could do a great job. My Just to clarify as I mentioned this on IRC and not on here. I think it would be great to have Chris Jones do the "organizational" co-RM. For one I have great trust in him keeping a

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-24 Thread Zeev Suraski
At 12:08 24/03/2010, Pierre Joye wrote: > Yeah, lets get that clarified. Derick has stepped up and seems quite committed and nobody seemed to oppose him RMing the next release. In case he feels he needs support he can propose a co-RM, after all its important that the two RM's know and trust eac

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-24 Thread Pierre Joye
hi, On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > > On 23.03.2010, at 23:04, Andi Gutmans wrote: > >> What about defining a release manager for the next release? I think that >> is an important aspect of moving things forward. I also thought the dual >> RM in PHP 5.3 worked quite w

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-24 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 23.03.2010, at 23:04, Andi Gutmans wrote: > What about defining a release manager for the next release? I think that > is an important aspect of moving things forward. I also thought the dual > RM in PHP 5.3 worked quite well although it is not necessarily a must. Yeah, lets get that clarif

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-23 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
On 03/23/2010 04:02 PM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > In conclusion: > There should of course be fun in just hacking out cool stuff, but I think for > most developers a big part of the fun is actually seeing your ideas in a > stable release. Exactly. But that means we need to wait and see which de

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-23 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 23.03.2010, at 18:15, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > My point is that your eventual list should come from things that have > been committed to trunk and survived review and tests. Sure, its only that many patches and todo items have been lingering (hello frustration?) because of the trunk situatio

RE: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-23 Thread Andi Gutmans
> -Original Message- > From: Derick Rethans [mailto:der...@php.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 9:05 AM > To: PHP Developers Mailing List > Subject: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open > > Hello, > > I've just created trunk for 5.3 again. I'v

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-23 Thread Stefan Marr
Hi: On 23 Mar 2010, at 18:15, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: >>> On 03/23/2010 09:36 AM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: Yeah, but I still think it would be a good idea to figure out lets say 3-5 big time features that we focus on for the next release and a rough timeline for the next release. >

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-23 Thread Johannes Schlüter
On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 16:04 +, Derick Rethans wrote: > Hello, > > I've just created trunk for 5.3 again. I've set the version to > 5.3.99-dev as to explicitly not decide on whether there will be 5.4 or > 6.0 next. As I mentioned on IRC and in previous threads: I'd prefer to call it 5.4 - w

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-23 Thread Johannes Schlüter
Hi, On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 18:44 +0100, Kalle Sommer Nielsen wrote: > Im assuming that we are still removing the stuff that we deprecated in > 5.3 and removed in the old trunk? If thats the case then I will work > on merging those removed features like safe_mode and so on out. I think that's, like

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-23 Thread David Soria Parra
>> New features should go to trunk; but anything other then trivial >> additions should require an RFC and discussion. I think Antony has the >> FPM RFC ready to show what sort of stuff would be useful to have. I'll >> let Antony start a thread to discuss it (although I doubt there needs to >> be a

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-23 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 23.03.2010, at 18:44, Kalle Sommer Nielsen wrote: > Hi Derick > > 2010/3/23 Derick Rethans : >> New features should go to trunk; but anything other then trivial >> additions should require an RFC and discussion. I think Antony has the >> FPM RFC ready to show what sort of stuff would be usefu

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-23 Thread Kalle Sommer Nielsen
Hi Derick 2010/3/23 Derick Rethans : > Hello, > > I've just created trunk for 5.3 again. I've set the version to > 5.3.99-dev as to explicitly not decide on whether there will be 5.4 or > 6.0 next. Great! > > New features should go to trunk; but anything other then trivial > additions should req

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-23 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
On 03/23/2010 10:05 AM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > > On 23.03.2010, at 17:59, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > >> On 03/23/2010 09:36 AM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: >>> >>> On 23.03.2010, at 17:21, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: >>> On 03/23/2010 09:11 AM, Pierre Joye wrote: > hi, > > I would rather

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-23 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 23.03.2010, at 17:59, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > On 03/23/2010 09:36 AM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: >> >> On 23.03.2010, at 17:21, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: >> >>> On 03/23/2010 09:11 AM, Pierre Joye wrote: hi, I would rather have some kind of rules defined before opening trunk a

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-23 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
On 03/23/2010 09:36 AM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > > On 23.03.2010, at 17:21, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > >> On 03/23/2010 09:11 AM, Pierre Joye wrote: >>> hi, >>> >>> I would rather have some kind of rules defined before opening trunk >>> again (or the pandora box). That's what we are discussing rig

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-23 Thread Pierre Joye
yes On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Richard Quadling wrote: > On 23 March 2010 16:38, Derick Rethans wrote: >> On Tue, 23 Mar 2010, Derick Rethans wrote: >> >>> I've just created trunk for 5.3 again. I've set the version to >>> 5.3.99-dev as to explicitly not decide on whether there will be 5.4

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-23 Thread Richard Quadling
On 23 March 2010 16:38, Derick Rethans wrote: > On Tue, 23 Mar 2010, Derick Rethans wrote: > >> I've just created trunk for 5.3 again. I've set the version to >> 5.3.99-dev as to explicitly not decide on whether there will be 5.4 or >> 6.0 next. > > I've also enabled snapshots for trunk, they are

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-23 Thread Derick Rethans
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010, Derick Rethans wrote: > I've just created trunk for 5.3 again. I've set the version to > 5.3.99-dev as to explicitly not decide on whether there will be 5.4 or > 6.0 next. I've also enabled snapshots for trunk, they are called php-trunk-.*. See them at http://snaps.php.ne

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-23 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
On 03/23/2010 09:32 AM, Pierre Joye wrote: > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: >> On 03/23/2010 09:11 AM, Pierre Joye wrote: >>> hi, >>> >>> I would rather have some kind of rules defined before opening trunk >>> again (or the pandora box). That's what we are discussing right

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-23 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 23.03.2010, at 17:21, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > On 03/23/2010 09:11 AM, Pierre Joye wrote: >> hi, >> >> I would rather have some kind of rules defined before opening trunk >> again (or the pandora box). That's what we are discussing right now. >> May I know why you choosed that now is the right

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-23 Thread Pierre Joye
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > On 03/23/2010 09:11 AM, Pierre Joye wrote: >> hi, >> >> I would rather have some kind of rules defined before opening trunk >> again (or the pandora box). That's what we are discussing right now. >> May I know why you choosed that now is the

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-23 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
On 03/23/2010 09:11 AM, Pierre Joye wrote: > hi, > > I would rather have some kind of rules defined before opening trunk > again (or the pandora box). That's what we are discussing right now. > May I know why you choosed that now is the right time to do it and > declare it open? We have rules. L

Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-23 Thread Pierre Joye
hi, I would rather have some kind of rules defined before opening trunk again (or the pandora box). That's what we are discussing right now. May I know why you choosed that now is the right time to do it and declare it open? Cheers, On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Derick Rethans wrote: > Hello

[PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open

2010-03-23 Thread Derick Rethans
Hello, I've just created trunk for 5.3 again. I've set the version to 5.3.99-dev as to explicitly not decide on whether there will be 5.4 or 6.0 next. New features should go to trunk; but anything other then trivial additions should require an RFC and discussion. I think Antony has the FPM R