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from the discussion so far, it is not clear what the
future moves of blackdown will be (hopefully not breaking the team).
I don't find anything wrong with sun's announcement (except that it was
late).
nathan got it right, you didn't.
-- dimitris
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Dimitrios Vyzovitis wrote:
> Apparently, sun has made an apologetic announcement. Check out:
> http://java.sun.com/features/1999/12/linux.html
>
> However, how should someone interpret:
> "Blackdown.org continues to be a valuable source for Java technology for
> Lin
Jacob Nikom wrote:
>
> It looks like they forgot to connect it to the rest of the site -
> even search of their web site does not find it.
Odd, maybe some browser/script trickery messing it up???
When I connect to
http://java.sun.com/
It's right near the top; the first "Headline & Featu
om
> > >
> > > Robbie Baldock wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dimitrios Vyzovitis wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Apparently, sun has made an apologetic announcement. Check out:
> > > > > http://java.sun.com/features/1999/12/linu
Dimitrios Vyzovitis wrote:
>
> Nathan Meyers wrote:
>
> > no schedule information,
>
> Well, blackdown doesn't exactly have a manager or a PR department to make
> press releases for the development roadmap :-)
Yes, yes, there are always reasons for everything. But the bottom line
was the consi
Dimitrios Vyzovitis wrote:
>
> Apparently, sun has made an apologetic announcement. Check out:
> http://java.sun.com/features/1999/12/linux.html
>
> However, how should someone interpret:
> "Blackdown.org continues to be a valuable source for Java technology for
>
s able to get in - it looks like it exists.
> >
> > Jacob Nikom
> >
> > Robbie Baldock wrote:
> > >
> > > Dimitrios Vyzovitis wrote:
> > >
> > > > Apparently, sun has made an apologetic announcement. Check out:
> > > > http
Any other Sun page linking to that page? Couldn't find one.
Wolfgang.
Jacob Nikom wrote:
>
> I was able to get in - it looks like it exists.
>
> Jacob Nikom
>
> Robbie Baldock wrote:
> >
> > Dimitrios Vyzovitis wrote:
> >
> > > Apparently,
Oh it is there...
Pooh Bear -- "I am just a bear of little brain"
On Thu, 9 Dec 1999, Robbie Baldock wrote:
> Dimitrios Vyzovitis wrote:
>
> > > That URL doesn't appear to exist...
> >
> > huh?
> > How do I manage to see it, without using a proxy/cache? :-)
>
> I get a 404 from the Sun si
I was able to get in - it looks like it exists.
Jacob Nikom
Robbie Baldock wrote:
>
> Dimitrios Vyzovitis wrote:
>
> > Apparently, sun has made an apologetic announcement. Check out:
> > http://java.sun.com/features/1999/12/linux.html
>
> That URL doesn'
Dimitrios Vyzovitis wrote:
> > That URL doesn't appear to exist...
>
> huh?
> How do I manage to see it, without using a proxy/cache? :-)
I get a 404 from the Sun site.
> Anyway, here is a dump of the page
Thanks for that.
Robbie
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Robbie Baldock wrote:
> Dimitrios Vyzovitis wrote:
>
> > Apparently, sun has made an apologetic announcement. Check out:
> > http://java.sun.com/features/1999/12/linux.html
>
> That URL doesn't appear to exist...
huh?
How do I manage to see it, without using a proxy
Dimitrios Vyzovitis wrote:
> Apparently, sun has made an apologetic announcement. Check out:
> http://java.sun.com/features/1999/12/linux.html
That URL doesn't appear to exist...
Robbie
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Apparently, sun has made an apologetic announcement. Check out:
http://java.sun.com/features/1999/12/linux.html
However, how should someone interpret:
"Blackdown.org continues to be a valuable source for Java technology for
Linux, including JDK 1.1.x releases."?
Hopefully, it doe
"Sun announced several course corrections today. For one thing, the company will
remove licensing and royalty payments for the desktop version of the software,
Java 2 Standard Edition, beginning Jan. 31."
gee, maybe i'll be back in the alpha/linux porting business again.
gat
Scott Murray wrote:
Fools fighting over scraps while the m$ buzzards eat caviar
Jacob Nikom wrote:
> I still cannot completely agree with Brian - credit not
> "should be given", but must be given. If you work for the
> company and you patented something, the company owns the
> patent, but you still own your name on
I still cannot completely agree with Brian - credit not
"should be given", but must be given. If you work for the
company and you patented something, the company owns the
patent, but you still own your name on the patent. Company
cannot change it, otherwise the patent will be invalidated.
Sun
> Paolo Ciccone writes:
Paolo> example. JBuilder has Emacs emulation, with the standard
Paolo> Swing of 1.2.2 if you press Alt-d or Ctrl-space Swing will
Paolo> pass also the "d" or the blank in the editor. While the
Paolo> event is processed correctly the extra character is
I've tried to stay out of this thread as much as I could; but since Paolo
is going to take this back to the "big picture" I'd like to take a second
here and say something, 'cause I perfer the big picture to the pissing wars
this could become (but thankfully hasn't yet (think "GNU/Linux" vs "Linux"
On Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 12:07:07AM -0500, Nelson Minar wrote:
> I think we can all work together on this. A lot of us in the Linux
> community are annoyed and mystified by Sun's years-long snubbing of
> Linux in the Java world. It honestly makes no sense. The press release
> that came out today di
I think we can all work together on this. A lot of us in the Linux
community are annoyed and mystified by Sun's years-long snubbing of
Linux in the Java world. It honestly makes no sense. The press release
that came out today did no good, either, ignoring the Blackdown
contribution entirely. But I
On Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 08:37:11PM -0500, Scott Murray wrote:
> I don't really mean to be a bastard here, but here's an excerpt from one
> of your postings to this list earlier today:
>
> The Sun/Inprise port is not the same of Blackdown's, that's why the release
> number is different. The Su
>
> I think it is the drawback of the "Open Source" model. Technically,
> you can take any code and release it as yours after few changes.
>
Technically, this has nothing to do with the "Open Source" model.
Sun's JDK, the community license, or the blackdown port have little
in common with open
On Tue, 7 Dec 1999, Scott Murray wrote:
[snip]
> What were we supposed to think? As well, I've read three different press
> articles on this today, and none of them contained the word "Blackdown".
> If Inprise/Sun wanted to give credit to the Blackdown team for providing
> a base for their furthe
On Tue, 7 Dec 1999, Paolo Ciccone wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 04:39:07PM -0500, Derek Glidden wrote:
[snip]
> > It looks like either someone at Inprise or at Sun isn't playing fair.
>
> We actually are. We didn't say that this is a clean port, in fact we
> are giving credit to Blackdown for
On Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 01:03:25AM +0100, Juergen Kreileder wrote:
>
> Early effort... Come on.
>
> Getting the VM running is the major part of the port. The step from
> 1.2 to 1.2.2 is so small that it nearly doesn't effect the port at
> all.
Well, you're free to think in this way but we had
On Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 06:28:29PM -0500, Jacob Nikom wrote:
> But it does matter how it was claimed. If the work was done by
> Inprise it is one thing, if it is only relabeling of Blackdown
> code, it is another.
yes, that would be plain and simple theft. We didn't "relabelled"
Blackdown JDK, wh
> Mo DeJong writes:
Mo> Has anyone seen this error with the new 1.2.2 RC3 download?
Mo> % javac
Mo> /abomination/hideous/mdejong/jdk1.2.2/bin/i386/native_threads/javac:
Mo> error in loading shared libraries:
Mo> /abomination/hideous/mdejong/jdk1.2.2/jre/lib/i386/native_thr
Has anyone seen this error with the new 1.2.2 RC3 download?
% javac
/abomination/hideous/mdejong/jdk1.2.2/bin/i386/native_threads/javac: error
in loading shared libraries:
/abomination/hideous/mdejong/jdk1.2.2/jre/lib/i386/native_threads/libhpi.so:
symbol sem_init, version GLIBC_2.1 not defined i
> Paolo Ciccone writes:
Paolo> We actually are. We didn't say that this is a clean port,
Paolo> in fact we are giving credit to Blackdown for the
Paolo> port. This has been done with the press at the Java Expo in
Paolo> New York and I personally posted here and on /. about ou
On Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 04:39:07PM -0500, Derek Glidden wrote:
> Paolo Ciccone wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 03:47:23PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > I though the current 1.2.2 rc was 3, not 1? Have Sun picked up an older copy
> > > to release on their site?
> >
> > The Sun/Inpr
On Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 06:28:29PM -0500, Jacob Nikom wrote:
> But it does matter how it was claimed. If the work was done by
> Inprise it is one thing, if it is only relabeling of Blackdown
> code, it is another.
I was speaking from a legal standpoint. According to Sun's brain-dead
license, the
But it does matter how it was claimed. If the work was done by
Inprise it is one thing, if it is only relabeling of Blackdown
code, it is another.
This is the text:
"Inprise and Sun Microsystems have taken a big step toward
maintaining open, standards-based network computing architectures
that u
>
> I am stunned by the form SunInpriseJDK1.2.2RC1 was announced.
>
> As you are certainly aware of, you are piggy-backing on the Blackdown
> code base. At the same time the announcement attempts to give the
> impression that this is a Linux port that has nothing to do with
> B
Paolo Ciccone wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 12:31:28PM -0500, Scott Murray wrote:
> > Without native threads support, this release is IMO useless for running
> > any kind of serious Java applications on Linux.
>
> I disagree, we have a couple of very big applications running under this
> JDK,
On Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 04:39:07PM -0500, Derek Glidden wrote:
>
> Not to dis you or your company's efforts, but if this is actually a
> "clean" implementation of the JDK straight from Sun sources and never
> having touched the Blackdown code, then I find the contents of
> jdk1.2.2/jre/README.lin
Paolo Ciccone wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 03:47:23PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I though the current 1.2.2 rc was 3, not 1? Have Sun picked up an older copy
> > to release on their site?
>
> The Sun/Inprise port is not the same of Blackdown's, that's why the release
> number is d
means: christmas-present for the Alpha-guys).
There are no URL's for this announcement since it was made on a
seminar I attended.
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>> Without native threads support, this release is IMO useless for running
>> any kind of serious Java applications on Linux.
>Realistically, I'm sure it's just a matter of time.
I suspect they'll get native threads out soon, too. I also expect
they'll end up needing to communicate some with the
A serious Java app "must" have native threads if:
a) It must use SMP (and the box it's running on has it),
b) It wasn't written well to deal with all threading models (for example,
non-preemptive threads) found under Java.
Since all serious applications are well written :-), perhaps Scott's
On Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 07:18:08PM +0100, Peter Schuller wrote:
> > running the Linux kernel v 2.2.5 and GLibC v 2.1, 32 megabytes RAM
>
> Why on earth would it only support 2.2.5? Why not any 2.2.x kernel?
> Is there any difference that is significant for a JDK?
>
> I'm downloading it anyway
Hi
All of this interesting stuff but what about PPC &
sparc-linux & alpha & all that?
dkr
--
The Office of Doug Robinson.These types are not "abstract"; they are as
[EMAIL PROTECTED]real as int and float. - Doug McIlroy
---
I've now run the matrix bench over all hot VM's:
BlackdownJDK1.2.2RC3, SunInpriceJDK1.2.2RC1, IBMJDK1.1.8,
BlackdownJDK1.2PreV2, all running RedHat 6.1 on the same machine, a
PentiumIII@600 MHz
Results are here:
http://nicewww.cern.ch/~hoschek/colt/V1.0Beta4/doc/cern/colt/matrix/doc-files/Perform
Hi
> Without native threads support, this release is IMO useless for running
> any kind of serious Java applications on Linux.
Realistically, I'm sure it's just a matter of time.
> While I will admit that I myself have been sometimes frustrated by the
> speed of the Blackdown porting team, they
> running the Linux kernel v 2.2.5 and GLibC v 2.1, 32 megabytes RAM
Why on earth would it only support 2.2.5? Why not any 2.2.x kernel?
Is there any difference that is significant for a JDK?
I'm downloading it anyway to see if it works on 2.2.13...
--
/ Peter Schuller
PGP userID: 0x5584BD
On Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 12:31:28PM -0500, Scott Murray wrote:
> Without native threads support, this release is IMO useless for running
> any kind of serious Java applications on Linux.
I disagree, we have a couple of very big applications running under this
JDK, including JBuilder, and the perfo
On Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 03:47:23PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I though the current 1.2.2 rc was 3, not 1? Have Sun picked up an older copy
> to release on their site?
Sun's isn't a copy, it's a competitor -- a version developed by Inprise.
To quote from the product page for that version:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nelson Minar) writes:
> Looking at the output of the Blackdown team in the past six months I
> think it's fairly clear why Sun is looking elsewhere.
>
> I really don't want to be too critical of Blackdown. They've done a
> lot of really good work in a very difficult envir
On Tue, 7 Dec 1999, Paolo Ciccone wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 09:19:28AM -0500, Scott Murray wrote:
> > I'm praying that the Blackdown team continues it's work if this is what Sun
> > consider a useful release. I'm really curious as to why the hell Sun and
> > Inprise went off on their own
On Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 06:15:14PM +0100, Robb Shecter wrote:
> Paolo Ciccone wrote:
>
> > ... this version
> > includes JPDA and several Swing bugs that we found ...
>
> Do you mean "bug fixes?"
Yeah, I still have to get my first coffe :).
--
Paolo
-
On Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 03:47:23PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I though the current 1.2.2 rc was 3, not 1? Have Sun picked up an older copy
> to release on their site?
The Sun/Inprise port is not the same of Blackdown's, that's why the release
number is different. The Sun/Inprise port is a
Paolo Ciccone wrote:
> ... this version
> includes JPDA and several Swing bugs that we found ...
Do you mean "bug fixes?"
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I wrote directly to Sun about it (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
attached below). I'll try to post the results of both JDK 1.2.2 ports
-- what I thought was Blackdown *and* Sun, and the new port from Sun --
to the Volano Report today or tomorrow.
John Neffenger
John Neffenger wrote:
>
> Dear Sun,
>
Scott Murray wrote:
> I though the current 1.2.2 rc was 3, not 1? Have Sun picked up an older copy
> to release on their site?
They appear to be two different projects now - Sun/Inprise announcing
today their RC1 and Blackdown their RC3.
It would be nice to have a comment from Blackdown as to e
On Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 09:19:28AM -0500, Scott Murray wrote:
> I'm praying that the Blackdown team continues it's work if this is what Sun
> consider a useful release. I'm really curious as to why the hell Sun and
> Inprise went off on their own when the Blackdown port is available...
Besides e
>I'm praying that the Blackdown team continues it's work if this is
>what Sun consider a useful release. I'm really curious as to why the
>hell Sun and Inprise went off on their own when the Blackdown port is
>available...
Looking at the output of the Blackdown team in the past six months I
think
I though the current 1.2.2 rc was 3, not 1? Have Sun picked up an older copy
to release on their site?
On Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 09:19:28AM -0500, Scott Murray wrote:
> Check out:
>
> http://www.newsalert.com/bin/story?StoryId=CoeYuubWbu0zuvteXmW
>
> Their J2SE 1.2.2 RC1 is available at:
>
>
sage -
From: Scott Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 9:19 PM
Subject: Sun and Inprise Java 2 announcement
> Check out:
>
> http://www.newsalert.com/bin/story?StoryId=CoeYuubWbu0zuvteXmW
>
> Their J2SE 1.2.
The Blackdown Java-Linux Team is pleased to announce the
Blackdown Java 2 SDK Version 1.2.2 Release Candidate 3.
RC3 is available from the FTP mirrors listed at
http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/mirrors.html
Note that this is not the final version of the Java 2 SDK Version
1.2.2. A final ver
Check out:
http://www.newsalert.com/bin/story?StoryId=CoeYuubWbu0zuvteXmW
Their J2SE 1.2.2 RC1 is available at:
http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/earlyAccess/j2sdk122/
and here's their "System Requirements":
This version of the Java 2 SDK is supported on Intel Pentium platform
runni
This is to announce, for the benefit of those using my "Profiler" native
profiler for JDK1.2, that an update has been posted - please grab the
latest version. Description at:
http://www.teleport.com/~nmeyers/FreeWare/#Profiler
New bits at:
http://www.teleport.com/~nmeyers/FreeWare/Profi
ANNOUNCEMENT
This is to announce the availability of Profiler, a JDK1.2 profiler that
reports how much time is being spent in native code.
Under the covers, Java is always running native code: the JVM, native
libraries, JIT-compiled code. Profiler allows you to see where the time
is really
ology/story/20261.html)
> > it was said that Sun has "begun working on
> porting
> > Java to Linux". Hmm... Anyone know if there was a
> real
> > announcement or are they just speaking of the
> > Blackdown port?
>
>
>
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/20261.html)
> it was said that Sun has "begun working on porting
> Java to Linux". Hmm... Anyone know if there was a real
> announcement or are they just speaking of the
> Blackdown port?
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In a Wired article
(http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/20261.html)
it was said that Sun has "begun working on porting
Java to Linux". Hmm... Anyone know if there was a real
announcement or are they just speaking of the
Blac
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> Please stop putting commercial mail into this technical orientated mail-list. I
> don´t like this kind of business-making
I disagree, given the nature of the announcement I found thjis
extremely interesting. The post was short, to the point and about a
free software. Given the interest expressed in the past by several
people about Java and 3D I think this was appropriate.
Regards,
--Paolo
>>>>>
Laura Young wrote:
> INT just announced they have released the Beta 2 version of J/View3D, a
> Java 3D toolkit. It's easy to use and you need little Java programming
> experience to use it. Basically it simplifies your ability to create
> sophisticated interactive data visualizations. It has
INT just announced they have released the Beta 2 version of J/View3D, a
Java 3D toolkit. It's easy to use and you need little Java programming
experience to use it. Basically it simplifies your ability to create
sophisticated interactive data visualizations. It has a high level API
and uses th
Thanks.
-Andy
> -Original Message-
> From: Rob Nugent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, October 26, 1998 5:17 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: JDK 1.2 Announcement at LWN
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I just saw Steve Byrne's announcement at:
>
>
Hi,
I just saw Steve Byrne's announcement at:
http://www.lwn.net/daily/java.html
This is good news indeed. Continuing thanks to the Java-Linux team for
their efforts in this area.
Is anyone able to comment as to whether this agreement will cover
HotSpot when it arrives ?
Rob
Rob N
For the bold and brave, JDK 1.1.6 Version 3 for Linux on Intel is now
available for limited testing. You should be warned that this time the
build environments are significantly different across the libc5 and
glibc versions, and very little testing has gone into preparing this
unofficial release.
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