Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......
Try Googling the phrase "MS-Word Shortcut Keys" or something like that. I'm sure there are several sources of information out there. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "LeDon" <led...@tx.rr.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 13:03 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I am wondering, where would I find a list of the shortcut keys to do basic commands in word? I want to center top to bottom a text and wonder how to do that. I also am interested in setting the font, line spacing, bold, etc. All just normal commands. I am not a power user so don't kneed many but where are they? -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of rosecomb...@cox.net Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 1:03 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I might have embraced virtual ribbons had I been new to Word but I had been using Word and Outlook 2007 for several years before they appeared and not having the ability to use shortcut keys my brain used automatically was the reason I turned them off and have never been tempted to use them again. I learned the ribbons from Jaws Help and extra training files early on and being able to type control E and have text centered for example instead of finding it in menus or even on the ribbons worked and was faster. Production was a keyword in my employment so the shortest way to accomplish something was a byword. I can see using the virtual ribbons for newbies or for someone who does not have to be concerned about time constraints. They were added for good reason for many users. I am not saying they should never be used, but, I do suggest one learn the ribbons and then decide which works best for their needs. The help system (not installed on my current computer because I can't figure out why Windows 10 won't allow me to get them off the CD) (have not tried too hard) are extremely well written and narrated. Use them. Then decide what options meet with your style of working. No one of us has the right answer for you. Your style is unique, you made the decisions but read about both at least is my humble opinion. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:41 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Moi? Well, then either that was the one and only time I've been wrong, or as you say, things have changed. Take your pick. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Adrian Spratt" <adr...@adrianspratt.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:02 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here explains it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on how to rid yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all. Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's new posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier because shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides, whenever possible, I would much rather use the options available to everyone and be part of the whole wide world. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Adrian, I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the keystroke. It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said "expanded". In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine disabled in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled? Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Adrian Spratt" <adr...@adrianspratt.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:32 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Control+F1 turns the virtual ribbon on and off. That's what my notes say. I've never done it. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Would y
Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......
I am wondering, where would I find a list of the shortcut keys to do basic commands in word? I want to center top to bottom a text and wonder how to do that. I also am interested in setting the font, line spacing, bold, etc. All just normal commands. I am not a power user so don't kneed many but where are they? -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of rosecomb...@cox.net Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 1:03 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I might have embraced virtual ribbons had I been new to Word but I had been using Word and Outlook 2007 for several years before they appeared and not having the ability to use shortcut keys my brain used automatically was the reason I turned them off and have never been tempted to use them again. I learned the ribbons from Jaws Help and extra training files early on and being able to type control E and have text centered for example instead of finding it in menus or even on the ribbons worked and was faster. Production was a keyword in my employment so the shortest way to accomplish something was a byword. I can see using the virtual ribbons for newbies or for someone who does not have to be concerned about time constraints. They were added for good reason for many users. I am not saying they should never be used, but, I do suggest one learn the ribbons and then decide which works best for their needs. The help system (not installed on my current computer because I can't figure out why Windows 10 won't allow me to get them off the CD) (have not tried too hard) are extremely well written and narrated. Use them. Then decide what options meet with your style of working. No one of us has the right answer for you. Your style is unique, you made the decisions but read about both at least is my humble opinion. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:41 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Moi? Well, then either that was the one and only time I've been wrong, or as you say, things have changed. Take your pick. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Adrian Spratt" <adr...@adrianspratt.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:02 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here explains it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on how to rid yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all. Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's new posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier because shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides, whenever possible, I would much rather use the options available to everyone and be part of the whole wide world. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Adrian, I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the keystroke. It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said "expanded". In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine disabled in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled? Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Adrian Spratt" <adr...@adrianspratt.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:32 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Control+F1 turns the virtual ribbon on and off. That's what my notes say. I've never done it. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon? Laura -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on them and the
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Well, yes, and I'm not fighting or even being snappy. I know there are a lot of messages and ... tha'ts part of the problem. I see this kind of thing on message boards all the time, too, where people try to start new threads to discuss something that's already being discussed (on the first page even) because they don't read the stuff that's already there. Anyway, hopefully we are all done with this now for the rest of the year. Haha -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 1:46 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Just so the fighting has stopped is my main concern. It probably has gone on long enough, this is true. One problem might be that everybody does not review all messages. Oh more is the pity. -Original Message- From: JM Casey Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 12:55 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I'm not slagging any person in this thread and certainly not Rose, who has been really forthcoming and helpful to those in doubt/with questions, but this thread is getting so incredibly long and repetitive because some people just don't seem to read all the messages in it. I don't know how often this question about the ribbons has been asked in the last five days or so, and how many people have writtten in, sometimes multiple times, explaining how to turn them on, off; how to know if they are already on or off, explaing to everyone else that you can use them or nont use them as you like and it's no damn difference to them, and so on, and so on. I think a moderator already asked this: Can we please put this topic to rest now? -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of rosecomb...@cox.net Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 2:53 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. If you use the setup wizard you will have a choice to turn it on or leave it off. Also under quick setting, insert V, it will let you know its status, pressing spacebar on that setting will toggle it. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of LeDon Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 10:23 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. How would one know if the ribbon or the virtual ribbon is in use? -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Flusche Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 5:30 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hi Dave, you are wrong, I never said a blind person must use the Jaws virtual ribbons. They can use them or not use them, this is a personal choice. However, in my opinion, I think they would benefit, from using the Jaws virtual ribbons. You are the only person being dogmatic about not using the Jaws virtual ribbons. Let all members try using or not using the Jaws virtual ribbons for themselves. Quit putting words in my mouth. I said, in my humble opinion, I think new Jaws users would benefit from using the Jaws virtual ribbons and its simple layout, in all the office 365 products. So, seems to be your way or the highway. Why don't you give the virtual ribbons a try yourself? Smiles. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 3:28 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Rose, Agree completely. It's fine for folks to tell of their experience with a particular feature, but to insist that a particular method is best for a blind person seems to be dogmatic. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: <rosecomb...@cox.net> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 08:36 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I am not sighted either, however, not being able to avail myself of frequently used shortcut keys I have known since Word 97 is the reason I turn off or never turn on this Jaws Feature. Your mileage may vary which is why I suggest anyone interested try each and do what feels best to them. For newbies they are probably just made to order, but for me and many like me, not having the ability to use key commands we have used from Word 97 forward is a definite disadvantage. Individuals need to make informed choices and choose options to their tastes, to tell them they must use something or cannot use something else when Jaws has so many options seems counterproductive.
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Just so the fighting has stopped is my main concern. It probably has gone on long enough, this is true. One problem might be that everybody does not review all messages. Oh more is the pity. -Original Message- From: JM Casey Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 12:55 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I'm not slagging any person in this thread and certainly not Rose, who has been really forthcoming and helpful to those in doubt/with questions, but this thread is getting so incredibly long and repetitive because some people just don't seem to read all the messages in it. I don't know how often this question about the ribbons has been asked in the last five days or so, and how many people have writtten in, sometimes multiple times, explaining how to turn them on, off; how to know if they are already on or off, explaing to everyone else that you can use them or nont use them as you like and it's no damn difference to them, and so on, and so on. I think a moderator already asked this: Can we please put this topic to rest now? -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of rosecomb...@cox.net Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 2:53 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. If you use the setup wizard you will have a choice to turn it on or leave it off. Also under quick setting, insert V, it will let you know its status, pressing spacebar on that setting will toggle it. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of LeDon Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 10:23 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. How would one know if the ribbon or the virtual ribbon is in use? -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Flusche Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 5:30 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hi Dave, you are wrong, I never said a blind person must use the Jaws virtual ribbons. They can use them or not use them, this is a personal choice. However, in my opinion, I think they would benefit, from using the Jaws virtual ribbons. You are the only person being dogmatic about not using the Jaws virtual ribbons. Let all members try using or not using the Jaws virtual ribbons for themselves. Quit putting words in my mouth. I said, in my humble opinion, I think new Jaws users would benefit from using the Jaws virtual ribbons and its simple layout, in all the office 365 products. So, seems to be your way or the highway. Why don't you give the virtual ribbons a try yourself? Smiles. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 3:28 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Rose, Agree completely. It's fine for folks to tell of their experience with a particular feature, but to insist that a particular method is best for a blind person seems to be dogmatic. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: <rosecomb...@cox.net> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 08:36 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I am not sighted either, however, not being able to avail myself of frequently used shortcut keys I have known since Word 97 is the reason I turn off or never turn on this Jaws Feature. Your mileage may vary which is why I suggest anyone interested try each and do what feels best to them. For newbies they are probably just made to order, but for me and many like me, not having the ability to use key commands we have used from Word 97 forward is a definite disadvantage. Individuals need to make informed choices and choose options to their tastes, to tell them they must use something or cannot use something else when Jaws has so many options seems counterproductive. I turn off keyboard echo when typing, have for years, and using Word echo drives me crazy also but I'd never tell anyone out there they needed to work the same way I work. I am totally annoyed with a new version of Jaws when it is set at defaults to hear space every time I space, it is one of the first keys I mute even if I switch the keyboard echo off. However, I hate hearing the space, and I turn off echo because it does not keep up with my typing speed but I'd never tell any of you to work the same way I work. Same goes for the ribbons issues, try working both ways if interested and decide which works for you, not your mate, not your coworker but for you. -Original Message
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I'm not slagging any person in this thread and certainly not Rose, who has been really forthcoming and helpful to those in doubt/with questions, but this thread is getting so incredibly long and repetitive because some people just don't seem to read all the messages in it. I don't know how often this question about the ribbons has been asked in the last five days or so, and how many people have writtten in, sometimes multiple times, explaining how to turn them on, off; how to know if they are already on or off, explaing to everyone else that you can use them or nont use them as you like and it's no damn difference to them, and so on, and so on. I think a moderator already asked this: Can we please put this topic to rest now? -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of rosecomb...@cox.net Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 2:53 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. If you use the setup wizard you will have a choice to turn it on or leave it off. Also under quick setting, insert V, it will let you know its status, pressing spacebar on that setting will toggle it. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of LeDon Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 10:23 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. How would one know if the ribbon or the virtual ribbon is in use? -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Flusche Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 5:30 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hi Dave, you are wrong, I never said a blind person must use the Jaws virtual ribbons. They can use them or not use them, this is a personal choice. However, in my opinion, I think they would benefit, from using the Jaws virtual ribbons. You are the only person being dogmatic about not using the Jaws virtual ribbons. Let all members try using or not using the Jaws virtual ribbons for themselves. Quit putting words in my mouth. I said, in my humble opinion, I think new Jaws users would benefit from using the Jaws virtual ribbons and its simple layout, in all the office 365 products. So, seems to be your way or the highway. Why don't you give the virtual ribbons a try yourself? Smiles. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 3:28 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Rose, Agree completely. It's fine for folks to tell of their experience with a particular feature, but to insist that a particular method is best for a blind person seems to be dogmatic. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: <rosecomb...@cox.net> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 08:36 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I am not sighted either, however, not being able to avail myself of frequently used shortcut keys I have known since Word 97 is the reason I turn off or never turn on this Jaws Feature. Your mileage may vary which is why I suggest anyone interested try each and do what feels best to them. For newbies they are probably just made to order, but for me and many like me, not having the ability to use key commands we have used from Word 97 forward is a definite disadvantage. Individuals need to make informed choices and choose options to their tastes, to tell them they must use something or cannot use something else when Jaws has so many options seems counterproductive. I turn off keyboard echo when typing, have for years, and using Word echo drives me crazy also but I'd never tell anyone out there they needed to work the same way I work. I am totally annoyed with a new version of Jaws when it is set at defaults to hear space every time I space, it is one of the first keys I mute even if I switch the keyboard echo off. However, I hate hearing the space, and I turn off echo because it does not keep up with my typing speed but I'd never tell any of you to work the same way I work. Same goes for the ribbons issues, try working both ways if interested and decide which works for you, not your mate, not your coworker but for you. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Flusche Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 1:58 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Yes, I guess that explains why you don't use the Jaws virtual ribbons. I can see where you were trying to interact with the sited computer use
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If you use the setup wizard you will have a choice to turn it on or leave it off. Also under quick setting, insert V, it will let you know its status, pressing spacebar on that setting will toggle it. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of LeDon Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 10:23 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. How would one know if the ribbon or the virtual ribbon is in use? -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Flusche Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 5:30 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hi Dave, you are wrong, I never said a blind person must use the Jaws virtual ribbons. They can use them or not use them, this is a personal choice. However, in my opinion, I think they would benefit, from using the Jaws virtual ribbons. You are the only person being dogmatic about not using the Jaws virtual ribbons. Let all members try using or not using the Jaws virtual ribbons for themselves. Quit putting words in my mouth. I said, in my humble opinion, I think new Jaws users would benefit from using the Jaws virtual ribbons and its simple layout, in all the office 365 products. So, seems to be your way or the highway. Why don't you give the virtual ribbons a try yourself? Smiles. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 3:28 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Rose, Agree completely. It's fine for folks to tell of their experience with a particular feature, but to insist that a particular method is best for a blind person seems to be dogmatic. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: <rosecomb...@cox.net> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 08:36 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I am not sighted either, however, not being able to avail myself of frequently used shortcut keys I have known since Word 97 is the reason I turn off or never turn on this Jaws Feature. Your mileage may vary which is why I suggest anyone interested try each and do what feels best to them. For newbies they are probably just made to order, but for me and many like me, not having the ability to use key commands we have used from Word 97 forward is a definite disadvantage. Individuals need to make informed choices and choose options to their tastes, to tell them they must use something or cannot use something else when Jaws has so many options seems counterproductive. I turn off keyboard echo when typing, have for years, and using Word echo drives me crazy also but I'd never tell anyone out there they needed to work the same way I work. I am totally annoyed with a new version of Jaws when it is set at defaults to hear space every time I space, it is one of the first keys I mute even if I switch the keyboard echo off. However, I hate hearing the space, and I turn off echo because it does not keep up with my typing speed but I'd never tell any of you to work the same way I work. Same goes for the ribbons issues, try working both ways if interested and decide which works for you, not your mate, not your coworker but for you. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Flusche Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 1:58 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Yes, I guess that explains why you don't use the Jaws virtual ribbons. I can see where you were trying to interact with the sited computer users where you worked. That's fine and understandable. But what I am trying to patiently say is, for a blind computer user of Jaws, in a home or work environment, I believe it is more efficient to use the Jaws virtual ribbons and the new tell me feature in the office 365 subscription. The office 2016 products work well with Jaws 18 using the virtual ribbons. As a blind computer user, why not take advantage of the Jaws virtual ribbons feature? I am not sited, so why should I put to my memory, all the various office shortcut keystrokes for using word, outlook, and excel 2016. This sounds like a lot of extra work, that a blind user of office should not have to add to the learning of how to use W-10 with Jaws. I did try that method for a few years, but I did not like it. No hard feelings, we are just having a friendly discussion on whether to use the Jaws virtual ribbons or not. No shame in using the Jaws virtual ribbons. Just call me lazy, only so much room in this Pinhead of mine! LOL. No, I d
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Hi LeDon, While in Word open quick settings by pressing, Insert / Jaws key + V. type, Virtual, in the search field, & wait a second for the list to populate. Arrow down & Jaws will report if the Virtual Ribbons checkbox is checked or not. Take care. Mike. Go Dodgers! Sent from my iBarstool. Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree. - Original Message - From: LeDon To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. How would one know if the ribbon or the virtual ribbon is in use? -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Flusche Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 5:30 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hi Dave, you are wrong, I never said a blind person must use the Jaws virtual ribbons. They can use them or not use them, this is a personal choice. However, in my opinion, I think they would benefit, from using the Jaws virtual ribbons. You are the only person being dogmatic about not using the Jaws virtual ribbons. Let all members try using or not using the Jaws virtual ribbons for themselves. Quit putting words in my mouth. I said, in my humble opinion, I think new Jaws users would benefit from using the Jaws virtual ribbons and its simple layout, in all the office 365 products. So, seems to be your way or the highway. Why don't you give the virtual ribbons a try yourself? Smiles. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 3:28 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Rose, Agree completely. It's fine for folks to tell of their experience with a particular feature, but to insist that a particular method is best for a blind person seems to be dogmatic. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: <rosecomb...@cox.net> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 08:36 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I am not sighted either, however, not being able to avail myself of frequently used shortcut keys I have known since Word 97 is the reason I turn off or never turn on this Jaws Feature. Your mileage may vary which is why I suggest anyone interested try each and do what feels best to them. For newbies they are probably just made to order, but for me and many like me, not having the ability to use key commands we have used from Word 97 forward is a definite disadvantage. Individuals need to make informed choices and choose options to their tastes, to tell them they must use something or cannot use something else when Jaws has so many options seems counterproductive. I turn off keyboard echo when typing, have for years, and using Word echo drives me crazy also but I'd never tell anyone out there they needed to work the same way I work. I am totally annoyed with a new version of Jaws when it is set at defaults to hear space every time I space, it is one of the first keys I mute even if I switch the keyboard echo off. However, I hate hearing the space, and I turn off echo because it does not keep up with my typing speed but I'd never tell any of you to work the same way I work. Same goes for the ribbons issues, try working both ways if interested and decide which works for you, not your mate, not your coworker but for you. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Flusche Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 1:58 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Yes, I guess that explains why you don't use the Jaws virtual ribbons. I can see where you were trying to interact with the sited computer users where you worked. That's fine and understandable. But what I am trying to patiently say is, for a blind computer user of Jaws, in a home or work environment, I believe it is more efficient to use the Jaws virtual ribbons and the new tell me feature in the office 365 subscription. The office 2016 products work well with Jaws 18 using the virtual ribbons. As a blind computer user, why not take advantage of the Jaws virtual ribbons feature? I am not sited, so why should I put to my memory, all the various office shortcut keystrokes for using word, outlook, and excel 2016. This sounds like a lot of extra work, that a blind user of office should not have to add to the learning of how to use W-10 with Jaws. I did try that method for a few years, but I did not like it. No hard feelings, we are just having a friendly discussion on whether to use th
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How would one know if the ribbon or the virtual ribbon is in use? -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Flusche Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 5:30 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hi Dave, you are wrong, I never said a blind person must use the Jaws virtual ribbons. They can use them or not use them, this is a personal choice. However, in my opinion, I think they would benefit, from using the Jaws virtual ribbons. You are the only person being dogmatic about not using the Jaws virtual ribbons. Let all members try using or not using the Jaws virtual ribbons for themselves. Quit putting words in my mouth. I said, in my humble opinion, I think new Jaws users would benefit from using the Jaws virtual ribbons and its simple layout, in all the office 365 products. So, seems to be your way or the highway. Why don't you give the virtual ribbons a try yourself? Smiles. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 3:28 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Rose, Agree completely. It's fine for folks to tell of their experience with a particular feature, but to insist that a particular method is best for a blind person seems to be dogmatic. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: <rosecomb...@cox.net> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 08:36 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I am not sighted either, however, not being able to avail myself of frequently used shortcut keys I have known since Word 97 is the reason I turn off or never turn on this Jaws Feature. Your mileage may vary which is why I suggest anyone interested try each and do what feels best to them. For newbies they are probably just made to order, but for me and many like me, not having the ability to use key commands we have used from Word 97 forward is a definite disadvantage. Individuals need to make informed choices and choose options to their tastes, to tell them they must use something or cannot use something else when Jaws has so many options seems counterproductive. I turn off keyboard echo when typing, have for years, and using Word echo drives me crazy also but I'd never tell anyone out there they needed to work the same way I work. I am totally annoyed with a new version of Jaws when it is set at defaults to hear space every time I space, it is one of the first keys I mute even if I switch the keyboard echo off. However, I hate hearing the space, and I turn off echo because it does not keep up with my typing speed but I'd never tell any of you to work the same way I work. Same goes for the ribbons issues, try working both ways if interested and decide which works for you, not your mate, not your coworker but for you. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Flusche Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 1:58 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Yes, I guess that explains why you don't use the Jaws virtual ribbons. I can see where you were trying to interact with the sited computer users where you worked. That's fine and understandable. But what I am trying to patiently say is, for a blind computer user of Jaws, in a home or work environment, I believe it is more efficient to use the Jaws virtual ribbons and the new tell me feature in the office 365 subscription. The office 2016 products work well with Jaws 18 using the virtual ribbons. As a blind computer user, why not take advantage of the Jaws virtual ribbons feature? I am not sited, so why should I put to my memory, all the various office shortcut keystrokes for using word, outlook, and excel 2016. This sounds like a lot of extra work, that a blind user of office should not have to add to the learning of how to use W-10 with Jaws. I did try that method for a few years, but I did not like it. No hard feelings, we are just having a friendly discussion on whether to use the Jaws virtual ribbons or not. No shame in using the Jaws virtual ribbons. Just call me lazy, only so much room in this Pinhead of mine! LOL. No, I don't believe the moderators will get upset, if we keep this topic as a friendly discussion. I think it will benefit the group. Let me say, I meant no disrespect to your views on not using the virtual ribbons in Jaws. So, thanks and smiles for your friendly discussion on this topic. -Original Message-From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf of Adrian Spratt Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 4:24 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
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Enough already, we get it discussion closed. Nobody is wrong but you are all starting to get on my last nerve. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Okay folks, it's time to bring this one to a close since it appears to have lost it's usefulness! Richard Q. Justice-list moderator jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com - Original Message - From: "Jim Flusche" <pinhead2...@outlook.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hi Dave, you are wrong, I never said a blind person must use the Jaws virtual ribbons. They can use them or not use them, this is a personal choice. However, in my opinion, I think they would benefit, from using the Jaws virtual ribbons. You are the only person being dogmatic about not using the Jaws virtual ribbons. Let all members try using or not using the Jaws virtual ribbons for themselves. Quit putting words in my mouth. I said, in my humble opinion, I think new Jaws users would benefit from using the Jaws virtual ribbons and its simple layout, in all the office 365 products. So, seems to be your way or the highway. Why don't you give the virtual ribbons a try yourself? Smiles. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 3:28 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Rose, Agree completely. It's fine for folks to tell of their experience with a particular feature, but to insist that a particular method is best for a blind person seems to be dogmatic. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: <rosecomb...@cox.net> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 08:36 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I am not sighted either, however, not being able to avail myself of frequently used shortcut keys I have known since Word 97 is the reason I turn off or never turn on this Jaws Feature. Your mileage may vary which is why I suggest anyone interested try each and do what feels best to them. For newbies they are probably just made to order, but for me and many like me, not having the ability to use key commands we have used from Word 97 forward is a definite disadvantage. Individuals need to make informed choices and choose options to their tastes, to tell them they must use something or cannot use something else when Jaws has so many options seems counterproductive. I turn off keyboard echo when typing, have for years, and using Word echo drives me crazy also but I'd never tell anyone out there they needed to work the same way I work. I am totally annoyed with a new version of Jaws when it is set at defaults to hear space every time I space, it is one of the first keys I mute even if I switch the keyboard echo off. However, I hate hearing the space, and I turn off echo because it does not keep up with my typing speed but I'd never tell any of you to work the same way I work. Same goes for the ribbons issues, try working both ways if interested and decide which works for you, not your mate, not your coworker but for you. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Flusche Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 1:58 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Yes, I guess that explains why you don't use the Jaws virtual ribbons. I can see where you were trying to interact with the sited computer users where you worked. That's fine and understandable. But what I am trying to patiently say is, for a blind computer user of Jaws, in a home or work environment, I believe it is more efficient to use the Jaws virtual ribbons and the new tell me feature in the office 365 subscription. The office 2016 products work well with Jaws 18 using the virtual ribbons. As a blind computer user, why not take advantage of the Jaws virtual ribbons feature? I am not sited, so why should I put to my memory, all the various office shortcut keystrokes for using word, outlook, and excel 2016. This sounds like a lot of extra work, that a blind user of office should not have to add to the learning of how to use W-10 with Jaws. I did try that method for a few years, but I did not like it. No hard feelings, we are just having a friendly discussion on whether to use the Jaws virtual ribbons or not. No shame in using the Jaws virtual ribbons. Just call me lazy, only so much room in this Pinhead of mine! LOL. No, I don't believe the moderators will get upset, if we keep this topic as a friendly discussion. I think it will benefit the group. Let me say, I meant no disrespect to your views on not using the virtual ribbons in Jaws. So, thanks and smiles for your friendly discussion on this topic. -Original Message-From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Be
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Hi Dave, you are wrong, I never said a blind person must use the Jaws virtual ribbons. They can use them or not use them, this is a personal choice. However, in my opinion, I think they would benefit, from using the Jaws virtual ribbons. You are the only person being dogmatic about not using the Jaws virtual ribbons. Let all members try using or not using the Jaws virtual ribbons for themselves. Quit putting words in my mouth. I said, in my humble opinion, I think new Jaws users would benefit from using the Jaws virtual ribbons and its simple layout, in all the office 365 products. So, seems to be your way or the highway. Why don't you give the virtual ribbons a try yourself? Smiles. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 3:28 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Rose, Agree completely. It's fine for folks to tell of their experience with a particular feature, but to insist that a particular method is best for a blind person seems to be dogmatic. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: <rosecomb...@cox.net> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 08:36 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I am not sighted either, however, not being able to avail myself of frequently used shortcut keys I have known since Word 97 is the reason I turn off or never turn on this Jaws Feature. Your mileage may vary which is why I suggest anyone interested try each and do what feels best to them. For newbies they are probably just made to order, but for me and many like me, not having the ability to use key commands we have used from Word 97 forward is a definite disadvantage. Individuals need to make informed choices and choose options to their tastes, to tell them they must use something or cannot use something else when Jaws has so many options seems counterproductive. I turn off keyboard echo when typing, have for years, and using Word echo drives me crazy also but I'd never tell anyone out there they needed to work the same way I work. I am totally annoyed with a new version of Jaws when it is set at defaults to hear space every time I space, it is one of the first keys I mute even if I switch the keyboard echo off. However, I hate hearing the space, and I turn off echo because it does not keep up with my typing speed but I'd never tell any of you to work the same way I work. Same goes for the ribbons issues, try working both ways if interested and decide which works for you, not your mate, not your coworker but for you. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Flusche Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 1:58 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Yes, I guess that explains why you don't use the Jaws virtual ribbons. I can see where you were trying to interact with the sited computer users where you worked. That's fine and understandable. But what I am trying to patiently say is, for a blind computer user of Jaws, in a home or work environment, I believe it is more efficient to use the Jaws virtual ribbons and the new tell me feature in the office 365 subscription. The office 2016 products work well with Jaws 18 using the virtual ribbons. As a blind computer user, why not take advantage of the Jaws virtual ribbons feature? I am not sited, so why should I put to my memory, all the various office shortcut keystrokes for using word, outlook, and excel 2016. This sounds like a lot of extra work, that a blind user of office should not have to add to the learning of how to use W-10 with Jaws. I did try that method for a few years, but I did not like it. No hard feelings, we are just having a friendly discussion on whether to use the Jaws virtual ribbons or not. No shame in using the Jaws virtual ribbons. Just call me lazy, only so much room in this Pinhead of mine! LOL. No, I don't believe the moderators will get upset, if we keep this topic as a friendly discussion. I think it will benefit the group. Let me say, I meant no disrespect to your views on not using the virtual ribbons in Jaws. So, thanks and smiles for your friendly discussion on this topic. -Original Message-From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf of Adrian Spratt Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 4:24 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hi, Jim. The reason I don't try the JAWS virtual ribbon is the one I gave you before. To quote that part of my post: This is one area, however, where I believe JAWS users have both a practical and philosophical choice to make, and new users
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Rose, Agree completely. It's fine for folks to tell of their experience with a particular feature, but to insist that a particular method is best for a blind person seems to be dogmatic. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: <rosecomb...@cox.net> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 08:36 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I am not sighted either, however, not being able to avail myself of frequently used shortcut keys I have known since Word 97 is the reason I turn off or never turn on this Jaws Feature. Your mileage may vary which is why I suggest anyone interested try each and do what feels best to them. For newbies they are probably just made to order, but for me and many like me, not having the ability to use key commands we have used from Word 97 forward is a definite disadvantage. Individuals need to make informed choices and choose options to their tastes, to tell them they must use something or cannot use something else when Jaws has so many options seems counterproductive. I turn off keyboard echo when typing, have for years, and using Word echo drives me crazy also but I'd never tell anyone out there they needed to work the same way I work. I am totally annoyed with a new version of Jaws when it is set at defaults to hear space every time I space, it is one of the first keys I mute even if I switch the keyboard echo off. However, I hate hearing the space, and I turn off echo because it does not keep up with my typing speed but I'd never tell any of you to work the same way I work. Same goes for the ribbons issues, try working both ways if interested and decide which works for you, not your mate, not your coworker but for you. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Flusche Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 1:58 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Yes, I guess that explains why you don't use the Jaws virtual ribbons. I can see where you were trying to interact with the sited computer users where you worked. That's fine and understandable. But what I am trying to patiently say is, for a blind computer user of Jaws, in a home or work environment, I believe it is more efficient to use the Jaws virtual ribbons and the new tell me feature in the office 365 subscription. The office 2016 products work well with Jaws 18 using the virtual ribbons. As a blind computer user, why not take advantage of the Jaws virtual ribbons feature? I am not sited, so why should I put to my memory, all the various office shortcut keystrokes for using word, outlook, and excel 2016. This sounds like a lot of extra work, that a blind user of office should not have to add to the learning of how to use W-10 with Jaws. I did try that method for a few years, but I did not like it. No hard feelings, we are just having a friendly discussion on whether to use the Jaws virtual ribbons or not. No shame in using the Jaws virtual ribbons. Just call me lazy, only so much room in this Pinhead of mine! LOL. No, I don't believe the moderators will get upset, if we keep this topic as a friendly discussion. I think it will benefit the group. Let me say, I meant no disrespect to your views on not using the virtual ribbons in Jaws. So, thanks and smiles for your friendly discussion on this topic. -Original Message-From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf of Adrian Spratt Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 4:24 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hi, Jim. The reason I don't try the JAWS virtual ribbon is the one I gave you before. To quote that part of my post: This is one area, however, where I believe JAWS users have both a practical and philosophical choice to make, and new users need to know that this choice exists. I quickly became comfortable with the MS ribbons, as others on this list have. If they were too difficult, then I, too, would use the virtual ribbon. But since we have a true choice here, the question becomes whether I choose a method everyone else in the world uses or the one that only a few can. I'll elaborate. I used to supervise a consumer protection mediation program where all my staff was sighted. As many middle-age people find, college students handle technology much more naturally than I did. If I had a problem using MS Word or some other application, one or other of my student interns would have an answer for me right away. If I'd been using the JAWS virtual ribbon, they could have given me no help. Besides, there were times when I knew how to solve a Word or other tech problem that no one else did, which helped ensure that I kept interacting with my staff on an even playing field. If I'd been using the JAWS virtu
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I am not sighted either, however, not being able to avail myself of frequently used shortcut keys I have known since Word 97 is the reason I turn off or never turn on this Jaws Feature. Your mileage may vary which is why I suggest anyone interested try each and do what feels best to them. For newbies they are probably just made to order, but for me and many like me, not having the ability to use key commands we have used from Word 97 forward is a definite disadvantage. Individuals need to make informed choices and choose options to their tastes, to tell them they must use something or cannot use something else when Jaws has so many options seems counterproductive. I turn off keyboard echo when typing, have for years, and using Word echo drives me crazy also but I'd never tell anyone out there they needed to work the same way I work. I am totally annoyed with a new version of Jaws when it is set at defaults to hear space every time I space, it is one of the first keys I mute even if I switch the keyboard echo off. However, I hate hearing the space, and I turn off echo because it does not keep up with my typing speed but I'd never tell any of you to work the same way I work. Same goes for the ribbons issues, try working both ways if interested and decide which works for you, not your mate, not your coworker but for you. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Flusche Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 1:58 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Yes, I guess that explains why you don't use the Jaws virtual ribbons. I can see where you were trying to interact with the sited computer users where you worked. That's fine and understandable. But what I am trying to patiently say is, for a blind computer user of Jaws, in a home or work environment, I believe it is more efficient to use the Jaws virtual ribbons and the new tell me feature in the office 365 subscription. The office 2016 products work well with Jaws 18 using the virtual ribbons. As a blind computer user, why not take advantage of the Jaws virtual ribbons feature? I am not sited, so why should I put to my memory, all the various office shortcut keystrokes for using word, outlook, and excel 2016. This sounds like a lot of extra work, that a blind user of office should not have to add to the learning of how to use W-10 with Jaws. I did try that method for a few years, but I did not like it. No hard feelings, we are just having a friendly discussion on whether to use the Jaws virtual ribbons or not. No shame in using the Jaws virtual ribbons. Just call me lazy, only so much room in this Pinhead of mine! LOL. No, I don't believe the moderators will get upset, if we keep this topic as a friendly discussion. I think it will benefit the group. Let me say, I meant no disrespect to your views on not using the virtual ribbons in Jaws. So, thanks and smiles for your friendly discussion on this topic. -Original Message-From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf of Adrian Spratt Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 4:24 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hi, Jim. The reason I don't try the JAWS virtual ribbon is the one I gave you before. To quote that part of my post: This is one area, however, where I believe JAWS users have both a practical and philosophical choice to make, and new users need to know that this choice exists. I quickly became comfortable with the MS ribbons, as others on this list have. If they were too difficult, then I, too, would use the virtual ribbon. But since we have a true choice here, the question becomes whether I choose a method everyone else in the world uses or the one that only a few can. I'll elaborate. I used to supervise a consumer protection mediation program where all my staff was sighted. As many middle-age people find, college students handle technology much more naturally than I did. If I had a problem using MS Word or some other application, one or other of my student interns would have an answer for me right away. If I'd been using the JAWS virtual ribbon, they could have given me no help. Besides, there were times when I knew how to solve a Word or other tech problem that no one else did, which helped ensure that I kept interacting with my staff on an even playing field. If I'd been using the JAWS virtual cursor, I would have been out of that loop. So what I mean by a "philosophical" choice is that I chose interaction with the sighted world over the seemingly simpler JAWS virtual ribbon. As I wrote before, I would have used the JAWS virtual ribbon if the MS ribbons had been inaccessible, but they're extremely easy to use, thanks in large part to shortcuts, the applications key and the key tips. I hope this answers your question once and for al
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You've made your position clear, and I've explained mine as well as I can for anyone interested. Enough said, I think. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Flusche Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 4:58 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Yes, I guess that explains why you don't use the Jaws virtual ribbons. I can see where you were trying to interact with the sited computer users where you worked. That's fine and understandable. But what I am trying to patiently say is, for a blind computer user of Jaws, in a home or work environment, I believe it is more efficient to use the Jaws virtual ribbons and the new tell me feature in the office 365 subscription. The office 2016 products work well with Jaws 18 using the virtual ribbons. As a blind computer user, why not take advantage of the Jaws virtual ribbons feature? I am not sited, so why should I put to my memory, all the various office shortcut keystrokes for using word, outlook, and excel 2016. This sounds like a lot of extra work, that a blind user of office should not have to add to the learning of how to use W-10 with Jaws. I did try that method for a few years, but I did not like it. No hard feelings, we are just having a friendly discussion on whether to use the Jaws virtual ribbons or not. No shame in using the Jaws virtual ribbons. Just call me lazy, only so much room in this Pinhead of mine! LOL. No, I don't believe the moderators will get upset, if we keep this topic as a friendly discussion. I think it will benefit the group. Let me say, I meant no disrespect to your views on not using the virtual ribbons in Jaws. So, thanks and smiles for your friendly discussion on this topic. -Original Message-From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf of Adrian Spratt Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 4:24 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hi, Jim. The reason I don't try the JAWS virtual ribbon is the one I gave you before. To quote that part of my post: This is one area, however, where I believe JAWS users have both a practical and philosophical choice to make, and new users need to know that this choice exists. I quickly became comfortable with the MS ribbons, as others on this list have. If they were too difficult, then I, too, would use the virtual ribbon. But since we have a true choice here, the question becomes whether I choose a method everyone else in the world uses or the one that only a few can. I'll elaborate. I used to supervise a consumer protection mediation program where all my staff was sighted. As many middle-age people find, college students handle technology much more naturally than I did. If I had a problem using MS Word or some other application, one or other of my student interns would have an answer for me right away. If I'd been using the JAWS virtual ribbon, they could have given me no help. Besides, there were times when I knew how to solve a Word or other tech problem that no one else did, which helped ensure that I kept interacting with my staff on an even playing field. If I'd been using the JAWS virtual cursor, I would have been out of that loop. So what I mean by a "philosophical" choice is that I chose interaction with the sighted world over the seemingly simpler JAWS virtual ribbon. As I wrote before, I would have used the JAWS virtual ribbon if the MS ribbons had been inaccessible, but they're extremely easy to use, thanks in large part to shortcuts, the applications key and the key tips. I hope this answers your question once and for all. I don't want to test our moderators' patience over a non-technical JAWS question. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Flusche Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 2:12 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. OK, just wondering, you say, I neither use nor advocate the use of the virtual ribbon. So how do you know how the Jaws virtual ribbons work with the office 365 products? I am not trying to start trouble, I am just curious as to your strong response against not using the Jaws virtual ribbons, if you have not tried using them. Again, I am speaking through experience from using the Jaws virtual ribbons with office 365 on a W-10 computer, running the Creators update with the latest Jaws 18 version. Smiles. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:22 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hi, LeDon. If you use any Office application, su
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Yes, I guess that explains why you don't use the Jaws virtual ribbons. I can see where you were trying to interact with the sited computer users where you worked. That's fine and understandable. But what I am trying to patiently say is, for a blind computer user of Jaws, in a home or work environment, I believe it is more efficient to use the Jaws virtual ribbons and the new tell me feature in the office 365 subscription. The office 2016 products work well with Jaws 18 using the virtual ribbons. As a blind computer user, why not take advantage of the Jaws virtual ribbons feature? I am not sited, so why should I put to my memory, all the various office shortcut keystrokes for using word, outlook, and excel 2016. This sounds like a lot of extra work, that a blind user of office should not have to add to the learning of how to use W-10 with Jaws. I did try that method for a few years, but I did not like it. No hard feelings, we are just having a friendly discussion on whether to use the Jaws virtual ribbons or not. No shame in using the Jaws virtual ribbons. Just call me lazy, only so much room in this Pinhead of mine! LOL. No, I don't believe the moderators will get upset, if we keep this topic as a friendly discussion. I think it will benefit the group. Let me say, I meant no disrespect to your views on not using the virtual ribbons in Jaws. So, thanks and smiles for your friendly discussion on this topic. -Original Message-From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf of Adrian Spratt Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 4:24 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hi, Jim. The reason I don't try the JAWS virtual ribbon is the one I gave you before. To quote that part of my post: This is one area, however, where I believe JAWS users have both a practical and philosophical choice to make, and new users need to know that this choice exists. I quickly became comfortable with the MS ribbons, as others on this list have. If they were too difficult, then I, too, would use the virtual ribbon. But since we have a true choice here, the question becomes whether I choose a method everyone else in the world uses or the one that only a few can. I'll elaborate. I used to supervise a consumer protection mediation program where all my staff was sighted. As many middle-age people find, college students handle technology much more naturally than I did. If I had a problem using MS Word or some other application, one or other of my student interns would have an answer for me right away. If I'd been using the JAWS virtual ribbon, they could have given me no help. Besides, there were times when I knew how to solve a Word or other tech problem that no one else did, which helped ensure that I kept interacting with my staff on an even playing field. If I'd been using the JAWS virtual cursor, I would have been out of that loop. So what I mean by a "philosophical" choice is that I chose interaction with the sighted world over the seemingly simpler JAWS virtual ribbon. As I wrote before, I would have used the JAWS virtual ribbon if the MS ribbons had been inaccessible, but they're extremely easy to use, thanks in large part to shortcuts, the applications key and the key tips. I hope this answers your question once and for all. I don't want to test our moderators' patience over a non-technical JAWS question. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Flusche Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 2:12 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. OK, just wondering, you say, I neither use nor advocate the use of the virtual ribbon. So how do you know how the Jaws virtual ribbons work with the office 365 products? I am not trying to start trouble, I am just curious as to your strong response against not using the Jaws virtual ribbons, if you have not tried using them. Again, I am speaking through experience from using the Jaws virtual ribbons with office 365 on a W-10 computer, running the Creators update with the latest Jaws 18 version. Smiles. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:22 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hi, LeDon. If you use any Office application, such as Word or Outlook, chances are you already use the Microsoft ribbons and that you use a number of shortcuts. The thread is about the JAWS virtual cursor, which FS created in an attempt to simplify how visually impaired computer users manage these applications. I neither use nor advocate the use of the virtual ribbon. If you're looking for information about that, listers
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I might have embraced virtual ribbons had I been new to Word but I had been using Word and Outlook 2007 for several years before they appeared and not having the ability to use shortcut keys my brain used automatically was the reason I turned them off and have never been tempted to use them again. I learned the ribbons from Jaws Help and extra training files early on and being able to type control E and have text centered for example instead of finding it in menus or even on the ribbons worked and was faster. Production was a keyword in my employment so the shortest way to accomplish something was a byword. I can see using the virtual ribbons for newbies or for someone who does not have to be concerned about time constraints. They were added for good reason for many users. I am not saying they should never be used, but, I do suggest one learn the ribbons and then decide which works best for their needs. The help system (not installed on my current computer because I can't figure out why Windows 10 won't allow me to get them off the CD) (have not tried too hard) are extremely well written and narrated. Use them. Then decide what options meet with your style of working. No one of us has the right answer for you. Your style is unique, you made the decisions but read about both at least is my humble opinion. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:41 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Moi? Well, then either that was the one and only time I've been wrong, or as you say, things have changed. Take your pick. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Adrian Spratt" <adr...@adrianspratt.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:02 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here explains it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on how to rid yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all. Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's new posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier because shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides, whenever possible, I would much rather use the options available to everyone and be part of the whole wide world. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Adrian, I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the keystroke. It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said "expanded". In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine disabled in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled? Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Adrian Spratt" <adr...@adrianspratt.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:32 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Control+F1 turns the virtual ribbon on and off. That's what my notes say. I've never done it. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon? Laura -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Laura Richardson" <laurak...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58 Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memori
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Hi, Jim. The reason I don't try the JAWS virtual ribbon is the one I gave you before. To quote that part of my post: This is one area, however, where I believe JAWS users have both a practical and philosophical choice to make, and new users need to know that this choice exists. I quickly became comfortable with the MS ribbons, as others on this list have. If they were too difficult, then I, too, would use the virtual ribbon. But since we have a true choice here, the question becomes whether I choose a method everyone else in the world uses or the one that only a few can. I'll elaborate. I used to supervise a consumer protection mediation program where all my staff was sighted. As many middle-age people find, college students handle technology much more naturally than I did. If I had a problem using MS Word or some other application, one or other of my student interns would have an answer for me right away. If I'd been using the JAWS virtual ribbon, they could have given me no help. Besides, there were times when I knew how to solve a Word or other tech problem that no one else did, which helped ensure that I kept interacting with my staff on an even playing field. If I'd been using the JAWS virtual cursor, I would have been out of that loop. So what I mean by a "philosophical" choice is that I chose interaction with the sighted world over the seemingly simpler JAWS virtual ribbon. As I wrote before, I would have used the JAWS virtual ribbon if the MS ribbons had been inaccessible, but they're extremely easy to use, thanks in large part to shortcuts, the applications key and the key tips. I hope this answers your question once and for all. I don't want to test our moderators' patience over a non-technical JAWS question. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Flusche Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 2:12 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. OK, just wondering, you say, I neither use nor advocate the use of the virtual ribbon. So how do you know how the Jaws virtual ribbons work with the office 365 products? I am not trying to start trouble, I am just curious as to your strong response against not using the Jaws virtual ribbons, if you have not tried using them. Again, I am speaking through experience from using the Jaws virtual ribbons with office 365 on a W-10 computer, running the Creators update with the latest Jaws 18 version. Smiles. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:22 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hi, LeDon. If you use any Office application, such as Word or Outlook, chances are you already use the Microsoft ribbons and that you use a number of shortcuts. The thread is about the JAWS virtual cursor, which FS created in an attempt to simplify how visually impaired computer users manage these applications. I neither use nor advocate the use of the virtual ribbon. If you're looking for information about that, listers who do use it will need to respond to your query. Note that the JAWS virtual ribbon prevents you from using shortcuts and first-letter navigation. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of LeDon Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 11:33 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. OK, I must confess, I have not followed this thread. So I am not a power user. I am wondering, how do you get to the ribbon? How do I learn the short cuts and hints you speak of? -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:29 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hi, Laura. Rose previously posted a message that was critical of the JAWS virtual ribbon that I agree with. For one thing, it prevents you from using familiar shortcuts. In a bigger picture sense that might or might not matter to you, avoiding the regular Microsoft ribbon will make it more difficult to get sighted assistance, since they won't know anything about the JAWS virtual ribbon. For this and other reasons, I prefer to use the MS ribbons. Each of us has a different way of learning the MS ribbons. Whenever possible, I will use a shortcut instead of delving into the ribbon. For example, I'll press control-d to get to the font dialog rather than go hunting for it in the ribbon. Another way of getting around the ribbons is to use the applications key, between the right Windows and control keys on most keyboards. This is where I go for
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OK, just wondering, you say, I neither use nor advocate the use of the virtual ribbon. So how do you know how the Jaws virtual ribbons work with the office 365 products? I am not trying to start trouble, I am just curious as to your strong response against not using the Jaws virtual ribbons, if you have not tried using them. Again, I am speaking through experience from using the Jaws virtual ribbons with office 365 on a W-10 computer, running the Creators update with the latest Jaws 18 version. Smiles. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:22 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hi, LeDon. If you use any Office application, such as Word or Outlook, chances are you already use the Microsoft ribbons and that you use a number of shortcuts. The thread is about the JAWS virtual cursor, which FS created in an attempt to simplify how visually impaired computer users manage these applications. I neither use nor advocate the use of the virtual ribbon. If you're looking for information about that, listers who do use it will need to respond to your query. Note that the JAWS virtual ribbon prevents you from using shortcuts and first-letter navigation. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of LeDon Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 11:33 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. OK, I must confess, I have not followed this thread. So I am not a power user. I am wondering, how do you get to the ribbon? How do I learn the short cuts and hints you speak of? -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:29 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hi, Laura. Rose previously posted a message that was critical of the JAWS virtual ribbon that I agree with. For one thing, it prevents you from using familiar shortcuts. In a bigger picture sense that might or might not matter to you, avoiding the regular Microsoft ribbon will make it more difficult to get sighted assistance, since they won't know anything about the JAWS virtual ribbon. For this and other reasons, I prefer to use the MS ribbons. Each of us has a different way of learning the MS ribbons. Whenever possible, I will use a shortcut instead of delving into the ribbon. For example, I'll press control-d to get to the font dialog rather than go hunting for it in the ribbon. Another way of getting around the ribbons is to use the applications key, between the right Windows and control keys on most keyboards. This is where I go for the dialog that takes you through line-spacing, margins, etc. But then there are the times when you must use the ribbon. Here, you may find yourself remembering what are called key tips. For example, when I want to place the page number at a certain point on a page (top left, top middle, etc.), I press the following keys: alt+n together for "insert," and then n, u in quick succession. I'm immediately in the right dialog. When you explore the MS ribbons, listen carefully for these key tips. I find they aren't always easy to hear, but usually I can make them out. The example I just gave will be verbalized when you go through the "insert" part of the ribbon. I'm not pretending to give you an exhaustive explanation of the MS ribbons, but I hope it might help you think about how to approach them. Shortcuts, applications key, key tips, in that order of simplicity. When I first faced the MS ribbons, I was intimidated. I shouldn't have been. Just learn what you need as the need arises. And never hesitate to post questions here. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:58 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Laura For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked quest
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Yes, I agree, thanks. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Vicki Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 2:14 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I've followed this thread for awhile and I'm wondering why people don't just try it both ways and see what works best for them. Some people, for whatever reason, age, time, ability to learn new things, etc., have trouble learning new things. Others, however, learn quickly and love the challenge of learning anything and everything that is released in the latest technology, no matter what it is. For me, I love trying new things but I don't always have the time right away and simply put it off until I do have the time. My mom, who is in her 80's, won't even touch a computer, while my neighbor, in her 90's, takes on the challenge of just about anything. Vicki - Original Message - From: "David Ferrin" <ow...@jaws-users.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. > Opinions are like pebbles of sand, they are all different. No one is worth > more or less than any other as they all come together to form a beach. > > -Original Message- > From: Jim Flusche > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:18 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. > > No, Jim is not wrong. LOL. I have just given my humble opinion on why we > should use the virtual ribbons with Jaws just like all other members have > given their opinions on why not to use the virtual ribbons. Also, I have > given good directions on how to use the word 2016 ribbons with the Jaws > virtual ribbons activated. Why make myself remember a hundred special > keystrokes for word 2016, when VFO gives us the ability to use the virtual > ribbons with Jaws 18. Oh, how this makes life much easier with using Word, > outlook, and excel. Again, I am not demanding from anyone that they must > do it this way. Each of us can decide for ourselves weather we use the > Jaws virtual ribbons or not. So please do not single me out and say my > opinion is wrong over another member opinion. We are all entitled to give > our own opinions out on this group unless things have changed that I am > not aware of. Just my two cents worth. Smiles. > > -Original Message- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of Adrian Spratt > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:03 PM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. > > Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you > posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here > explains it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on > how to rid yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all. > Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's > new posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier > because shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides, > whenever possible, I would much rather use the options available to > everyone and be part of the whole wide world. > > -Original Message- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of Dave ... > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. > > Adrian, > > I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the > keystroke. It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said > "expanded". > In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine > disabled in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this > Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled? > > Dave > Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer > > > - Original Message - > From: "Adrian Spratt" <adr...@adrianspratt.com> > To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:32 > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. > > > Control+F1 turns the virtual ribbon on and off. That's what my notes say. > I've never done it. > > -Original Message- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of Laura Richardson > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject:
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No problem, we all use whatever Jaws settings works best for us. No right or wrong answer in what option we choose to use with Jaws. In my opinion, I recommend using the Jaws virtual ribbons. I say this after using and testing the Jaws virtual ribbons for many years with the Microsoft products. Just my two cents worth! Smiles. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 3:34 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Jim, I carefully said "I think" you're wrong when saying the virtual cursor is easier. You're a valuable contributor to this list, and I've made notes from a number of your contributions. ON this particular issue, I disagree, and I explained why. I didn't do so out of disrespect or even to cause controversy, which is draining. This is one area, however, where I believe JAWS users have both a practical and philosophical choice to make, and new users need to know that this choice exists. I quickly became comfortable with the MS ribbons, as others on this list have. If they were too difficult, then I, too, would use the virtual ribbon. But since we have a true choice here, the question becomes whether I choose a method everyone else in the world uses or the one that only a few can. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Flusche Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 3:03 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Thanks David, I like that, it takes all of us and our opinion working together to finish the beach. Thanks, and smiles. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:51 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Opinions are like pebbles of sand, they are all different. No one is worth more or less than any other as they all come together to form a beach. -Original Message- From: Jim Flusche Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:18 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. No, Jim is not wrong. LOL. I have just given my humble opinion on why we should use the virtual ribbons with Jaws just like all other members have given their opinions on why not to use the virtual ribbons. Also, I have given good directions on how to use the word 2016 ribbons with the Jaws virtual ribbons activated. Why make myself remember a hundred special keystrokes for word 2016, when VFO gives us the ability to use the virtual ribbons with Jaws 18. Oh, how this makes life much easier with using Word, outlook, and excel. Again, I am not demanding from anyone that they must do it this way. Each of us can decide for ourselves weather we use the Jaws virtual ribbons or not. So please do not single me out and say my opinion is wrong over another member opinion. We are all entitled to give our own opinions out on this group unless things have changed that I am not aware of. Just my two cents worth. Smiles. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:03 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here explains it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on how to rid yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all. Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's new posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier because shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides, whenever possible, I would much rather use the options available to everyone and be part of the whole wide world. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Adrian, I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the keystroke. It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said "expanded". In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine disabled in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled? Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Adrian Spratt&q
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Well I have been using the Jaws virtual ribbons for years now. I am using office 365, Freedom Scientific does a great job in keeping up with all the automatic updates in all the Microsoft products with Jaws. Any Jaws user is not missing out on anything by using the Jaws virtual ribbons. Again, this is just my opinion through much time in testing the Microsoft products with the Jaws virtual ribbons. They work great with Jaws. Thanks, and smiles. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 3:32 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. That makes sense to me. As far as I understand the functioning of the virtual ribbons, too (someone correct me though if I am wrong), JAWS may not be keeping up with the frequent Windows 10 updates, so there's a chance you could actually lose functionality or miss out on features if you use these. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:48 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. For what it is worth I myself have never tried them at all because it occurred to me that it would not be moving forward with the learning curve that is Windows. In other words how could you help somebody with such an animal IE ribbons in windows if you don't try them out for yourself? -Original Message- From: Adrian Spratt Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:02 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here explains it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on how to rid yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all. Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's new posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier because shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides, whenever possible, I would much rather use the options available to everyone and be part of the whole wide world. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Adrian, I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the keystroke. It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said "expanded". In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine disabled in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled? Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Adrian Spratt" <adr...@adrianspratt.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:32 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Control+F1 turns the virtual ribbon on and off. That's what my notes say. I've never done it. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon? Laura -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Laura Richardson" <laurak...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58 Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need to lea
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Hi, LeDon. If you use any Office application, such as Word or Outlook, chances are you already use the Microsoft ribbons and that you use a number of shortcuts. The thread is about the JAWS virtual cursor, which FS created in an attempt to simplify how visually impaired computer users manage these applications. I neither use nor advocate the use of the virtual ribbon. If you're looking for information about that, listers who do use it will need to respond to your query. Note that the JAWS virtual ribbon prevents you from using shortcuts and first-letter navigation. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of LeDon Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 11:33 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. OK, I must confess, I have not followed this thread. So I am not a power user. I am wondering, how do you get to the ribbon? How do I learn the short cuts and hints you speak of? -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:29 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hi, Laura. Rose previously posted a message that was critical of the JAWS virtual ribbon that I agree with. For one thing, it prevents you from using familiar shortcuts. In a bigger picture sense that might or might not matter to you, avoiding the regular Microsoft ribbon will make it more difficult to get sighted assistance, since they won't know anything about the JAWS virtual ribbon. For this and other reasons, I prefer to use the MS ribbons. Each of us has a different way of learning the MS ribbons. Whenever possible, I will use a shortcut instead of delving into the ribbon. For example, I'll press control-d to get to the font dialog rather than go hunting for it in the ribbon. Another way of getting around the ribbons is to use the applications key, between the right Windows and control keys on most keyboards. This is where I go for the dialog that takes you through line-spacing, margins, etc. But then there are the times when you must use the ribbon. Here, you may find yourself remembering what are called key tips. For example, when I want to place the page number at a certain point on a page (top left, top middle, etc.), I press the following keys: alt+n together for "insert," and then n, u in quick succession. I'm immediately in the right dialog. When you explore the MS ribbons, listen carefully for these key tips. I find they aren't always easy to hear, but usually I can make them out. The example I just gave will be verbalized when you go through the "insert" part of the ribbon. I'm not pretending to give you an exhaustive explanation of the MS ribbons, but I hope it might help you think about how to approach them. Shortcuts, applications key, key tips, in that order of simplicity. When I first faced the MS ribbons, I was intimidated. I shouldn't have been. Just learn what you need as the need arises. And never hesitate to post questions here. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:58 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Laura For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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OK, I must confess, I have not followed this thread. So I am not a power user. I am wondering, how do you get to the ribbon? How do I learn the short cuts and hints you speak of? -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:29 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hi, Laura. Rose previously posted a message that was critical of the JAWS virtual ribbon that I agree with. For one thing, it prevents you from using familiar shortcuts. In a bigger picture sense that might or might not matter to you, avoiding the regular Microsoft ribbon will make it more difficult to get sighted assistance, since they won't know anything about the JAWS virtual ribbon. For this and other reasons, I prefer to use the MS ribbons. Each of us has a different way of learning the MS ribbons. Whenever possible, I will use a shortcut instead of delving into the ribbon. For example, I'll press control-d to get to the font dialog rather than go hunting for it in the ribbon. Another way of getting around the ribbons is to use the applications key, between the right Windows and control keys on most keyboards. This is where I go for the dialog that takes you through line-spacing, margins, etc. But then there are the times when you must use the ribbon. Here, you may find yourself remembering what are called key tips. For example, when I want to place the page number at a certain point on a page (top left, top middle, etc.), I press the following keys: alt+n together for "insert," and then n, u in quick succession. I'm immediately in the right dialog. When you explore the MS ribbons, listen carefully for these key tips. I find they aren't always easy to hear, but usually I can make them out. The example I just gave will be verbalized when you go through the "insert" part of the ribbon. I'm not pretending to give you an exhaustive explanation of the MS ribbons, but I hope it might help you think about how to approach them. Shortcuts, applications key, key tips, in that order of simplicity. When I first faced the MS ribbons, I was intimidated. I shouldn't have been. Just learn what you need as the need arises. And never hesitate to post questions here. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:58 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Laura For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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I was looking for a metaphor and that is what popped in to my thinking processes. It wasn't a good one but it seemed to work to defuse the situation. We all are different but we must work together. -Original Message- From: Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:22 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. David, so you are saying that life is a beach? Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "David Ferrin" <ow...@jaws-users.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:51 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Opinions are like pebbles of sand, they are all different. No one is worth more or less than any other as they all come together to form a beach. -Original Message- From: Jim Flusche Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:18 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. No, Jim is not wrong. LOL. I have just given my humble opinion on why we should use the virtual ribbons with Jaws just like all other members have given their opinions on why not to use the virtual ribbons. Also, I have given good directions on how to use the word 2016 ribbons with the Jaws virtual ribbons activated. Why make myself remember a hundred special keystrokes for word 2016, when VFO gives us the ability to use the virtual ribbons with Jaws 18. Oh, how this makes life much easier with using Word, outlook, and excel. Again, I am not demanding from anyone that they must do it this way. Each of us can decide for ourselves weather we use the Jaws virtual ribbons or not. So please do not single me out and say my opinion is wrong over another member opinion. We are all entitled to give our own opinions out on this group unless things have changed that I am not aware of. Just my two cents worth. Smiles. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:03 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here explains it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on how to rid yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all. Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's new posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier because shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides, whenever possible, I would much rather use the options available to everyone and be part of the whole wide world. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Adrian, I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the keystroke. It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said "expanded". In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine disabled in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled? Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Adrian Spratt" <adr...@adrianspratt.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:32 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Control+F1 turns the virtual ribbon on and off. That's what my notes say. I've never done it. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon? Laura -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Laura Richardson" <laurak...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-
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I've followed this thread for awhile and I'm wondering why people don't just try it both ways and see what works best for them. Some people, for whatever reason, age, time, ability to learn new things, etc., have trouble learning new things. Others, however, learn quickly and love the challenge of learning anything and everything that is released in the latest technology, no matter what it is. For me, I love trying new things but I don't always have the time right away and simply put it off until I do have the time. My mom, who is in her 80's, won't even touch a computer, while my neighbor, in her 90's, takes on the challenge of just about anything. Vicki - Original Message - From: "David Ferrin" <ow...@jaws-users.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Opinions are like pebbles of sand, they are all different. No one is worth more or less than any other as they all come together to form a beach. -Original Message- From: Jim Flusche Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:18 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. No, Jim is not wrong. LOL. I have just given my humble opinion on why we should use the virtual ribbons with Jaws just like all other members have given their opinions on why not to use the virtual ribbons. Also, I have given good directions on how to use the word 2016 ribbons with the Jaws virtual ribbons activated. Why make myself remember a hundred special keystrokes for word 2016, when VFO gives us the ability to use the virtual ribbons with Jaws 18. Oh, how this makes life much easier with using Word, outlook, and excel. Again, I am not demanding from anyone that they must do it this way. Each of us can decide for ourselves weather we use the Jaws virtual ribbons or not. So please do not single me out and say my opinion is wrong over another member opinion. We are all entitled to give our own opinions out on this group unless things have changed that I am not aware of. Just my two cents worth. Smiles. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:03 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here explains it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on how to rid yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all. Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's new posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier because shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides, whenever possible, I would much rather use the options available to everyone and be part of the whole wide world. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Adrian, I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the keystroke. It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said "expanded". In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine disabled in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled? Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Adrian Spratt" <adr...@adrianspratt.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:32 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Control+F1 turns the virtual ribbon on and off. That's what my notes say. I've never done it. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon? Laura -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to
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Hello Mike and everyone who gave input on this subject .. As I'm sure you've probably figured out I've decided to turn off the virtual ribbons. I had to uncheck the virtual ribbons in the wizard startup. After that, I went to quick settings but didn't have to make a change as it was already unchecked by default. Thanks to everybody's input I believe I've accomplished turning off the virtual ribbons .. Now the goal is "learn to navigate the ribbons". Thank you all so very much! Laura -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mike B. Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 8:49 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hi Laura, I experimented with checking & unchecking the Virtual Ribbon option from the Startup Wizard, & I found that either checking or unchecking did anything to the ribbons in Word or Excel. Also I did the same with the Settings Center default all applications, & found no change in the program ribbons. What I did find was that by checking the Virtual Ribbon option in Jaws Quick Settings this also checked the Virtual Ribbon checkbox in the Settings Center default all applications. Unchecking it in Settings Center default all applications did not uncheck it in Jaws Quick Settings. So in short, to be sure the Virtual Ribbon is checked or unchecked, do it through Jaws Quick Settings, & save yourself a bunch of time from screwing around with other ways of doing it! Take care. Mike. Go Dodgers! Sent from my iBarstool. Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree. - Original Message - From: Laura Richardson To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. As you suggested in another email to someone else .. I went to Jaws help and pressed enter on wizard startup. I then tabbed through each page until I found the checkbox for virtual ribbons to turn it off. When I tabbed through to the end I pressed finished .. Does turning off the virtual ribbons this way make it stay as the default? Laura -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:53 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Follow these steps to turn off the JAWS virtual ribbon menu feature: Perform the following steps to use JAWS Settings Center to enable or disable Virtual Ribbon Menus: 1.First, press INSERT+F2 to activate the Run JAWS Managers list. 2.Press the letter S until you land on the settings center item and press ENTER to activate it. The settings center dialog box opens with the cursor in the search edit box. 3.Press CTRL+SHIFT+D to activate the default settings. 4.Type the word "ribbon" (without the quotes). 5.Press the DOWN ARROW to move through the list of search results until you land on the Use Virtual Ribbon Menu check box. 6. Press the SPACE BAR to uncheck the box to turn off virtual ribbon menus. Check it again to turn virtual ribbon menus back on. 7.Press TAB to move to the OK button, and activate it. Gerald -Original Message- From: Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon? Laura -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Laura Richardson" <laurak...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58 Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Laura F
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Well, maybe he is depending on the spelling! LOL LOL Take care. Mike. Go Dodgers! Sent from my iBarstool. Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree. - Original Message - From: Dave ... To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. David, so you are saying that life is a beach? Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "David Ferrin" <ow...@jaws-users.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:51 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Opinions are like pebbles of sand, they are all different. No one is worth more or less than any other as they all come together to form a beach. -Original Message- From: Jim Flusche Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:18 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. No, Jim is not wrong. LOL. I have just given my humble opinion on why we should use the virtual ribbons with Jaws just like all other members have given their opinions on why not to use the virtual ribbons. Also, I have given good directions on how to use the word 2016 ribbons with the Jaws virtual ribbons activated. Why make myself remember a hundred special keystrokes for word 2016, when VFO gives us the ability to use the virtual ribbons with Jaws 18. Oh, how this makes life much easier with using Word, outlook, and excel. Again, I am not demanding from anyone that they must do it this way. Each of us can decide for ourselves weather we use the Jaws virtual ribbons or not. So please do not single me out and say my opinion is wrong over another member opinion. We are all entitled to give our own opinions out on this group unless things have changed that I am not aware of. Just my two cents worth. Smiles. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:03 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here explains it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on how to rid yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all. Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's new posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier because shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides, whenever possible, I would much rather use the options available to everyone and be part of the whole wide world. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Adrian, I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the keystroke. It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said "expanded". In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine disabled in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled? Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Adrian Spratt" <adr...@adrianspratt.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:32 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Control+F1 turns the virtual ribbon on and off. That's what my notes say. I've never done it. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon? Laura -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Laura Richardson" <laurak
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David, so you are saying that life is a beach? Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "David Ferrin" <ow...@jaws-users.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:51 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Opinions are like pebbles of sand, they are all different. No one is worth more or less than any other as they all come together to form a beach. -Original Message- From: Jim Flusche Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:18 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. No, Jim is not wrong. LOL. I have just given my humble opinion on why we should use the virtual ribbons with Jaws just like all other members have given their opinions on why not to use the virtual ribbons. Also, I have given good directions on how to use the word 2016 ribbons with the Jaws virtual ribbons activated. Why make myself remember a hundred special keystrokes for word 2016, when VFO gives us the ability to use the virtual ribbons with Jaws 18. Oh, how this makes life much easier with using Word, outlook, and excel. Again, I am not demanding from anyone that they must do it this way. Each of us can decide for ourselves weather we use the Jaws virtual ribbons or not. So please do not single me out and say my opinion is wrong over another member opinion. We are all entitled to give our own opinions out on this group unless things have changed that I am not aware of. Just my two cents worth. Smiles. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:03 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here explains it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on how to rid yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all. Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's new posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier because shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides, whenever possible, I would much rather use the options available to everyone and be part of the whole wide world. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Adrian, I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the keystroke. It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said "expanded". In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine disabled in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled? Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Adrian Spratt" <adr...@adrianspratt.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:32 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Control+F1 turns the virtual ribbon on and off. That's what my notes say. I've never done it. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon? Laura -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Laura Richardson" <laurak...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58 Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier a
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Hi Laura, I experimented with checking & unchecking the Virtual Ribbon option from the Startup Wizard, & I found that either checking or unchecking did anything to the ribbons in Word or Excel. Also I did the same with the Settings Center default all applications, & found no change in the program ribbons. What I did find was that by checking the Virtual Ribbon option in Jaws Quick Settings this also checked the Virtual Ribbon checkbox in the Settings Center default all applications. Unchecking it in Settings Center default all applications did not uncheck it in Jaws Quick Settings. So in short, to be sure the Virtual Ribbon is checked or unchecked, do it through Jaws Quick Settings, & save yourself a bunch of time from screwing around with other ways of doing it! Take care. Mike. Go Dodgers! Sent from my iBarstool. Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree. - Original Message - From: Laura Richardson To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. As you suggested in another email to someone else .. I went to Jaws help and pressed enter on wizard startup. I then tabbed through each page until I found the checkbox for virtual ribbons to turn it off. When I tabbed through to the end I pressed finished .. Does turning off the virtual ribbons this way make it stay as the default? Laura -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:53 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Follow these steps to turn off the JAWS virtual ribbon menu feature: Perform the following steps to use JAWS Settings Center to enable or disable Virtual Ribbon Menus: 1.First, press INSERT+F2 to activate the Run JAWS Managers list. 2.Press the letter S until you land on the settings center item and press ENTER to activate it. The settings center dialog box opens with the cursor in the search edit box. 3.Press CTRL+SHIFT+D to activate the default settings. 4.Type the word "ribbon" (without the quotes). 5.Press the DOWN ARROW to move through the list of search results until you land on the Use Virtual Ribbon Menu check box. 6. Press the SPACE BAR to uncheck the box to turn off virtual ribbon menus. Check it again to turn virtual ribbon menus back on. 7.Press TAB to move to the OK button, and activate it. Gerald -Original Message- From: Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon? Laura -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Laura Richardson" <laurak...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58 Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Laura For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Hi Laura, I am using Office 365, JAWS 18 and Win 10. What you are asking about is a "working style preference" with no right or wrong way. I prefer to use the ribbons in their "native" format. You can set aside time each day to simply move through and learn the menus. Once you work with Word for a while you will quickly learn which ribbon items you use often & then place those items into your QAT. The one strongest suggestion I have for you is to learn to use the QAT where you can place your most used items in the ribbon for quick easy access. Freedom Scientific offers webinars on the use of Excel, Outlook, and Word and they are very good but a little expensive if you are on a limited budget. The Microsoft help system has greatly improved in the last decade and I find that Mr. Google can find any answer I need. George "It is a form of insanity to continue to do the same things daily while believing for change in your life." George a Martinez CPA, PC 12231 N 50th Avenue Glendale, Arizona 85304-2215 Voice 602.368.8854 FAX 206-666-2589 Email ga.marti...@cox.net -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 6:58 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Laura For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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As you suggested in another email to someone else .. I went to Jaws help and pressed enter on wizard startup. I then tabbed through each page until I found the checkbox for virtual ribbons to turn it off. When I tabbed through to the end I pressed finished .. Does turning off the virtual ribbons this way make it stay as the default? Laura -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:53 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Follow these steps to turn off the JAWS virtual ribbon menu feature: Perform the following steps to use JAWS Settings Center to enable or disable Virtual Ribbon Menus: 1.First, press INSERT+F2 to activate the Run JAWS Managers list. 2.Press the letter S until you land on the settings center item and press ENTER to activate it. The settings center dialog box opens with the cursor in the search edit box. 3.Press CTRL+SHIFT+D to activate the default settings. 4.Type the word "ribbon" (without the quotes). 5.Press the DOWN ARROW to move through the list of search results until you land on the Use Virtual Ribbon Menu check box. 6. Press the SPACE BAR to uncheck the box to turn off virtual ribbon menus. Check it again to turn virtual ribbon menus back on. 7.Press TAB to move to the OK button, and activate it. Gerald -Original Message- From: Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon? Laura -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Laura Richardson" <laurak...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58 Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Laura For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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If you look in the JAWS help system, I think you will find how to use the virtual ribbons and also how to navigate the real ribbons. Start with the help then ask questions. To get started I can say. Ribbons run across the top of screen, such as home, view etc. Pressing alt usually brings them up, run across the top select the part that you think you need and them press down arrow, then you are in the selections for that particular ribbon. Personally, I wish we could have the older menu styles back and be able to use shortcut keys like control E to center, but FS could not make that happen. Virtual ribbons are great for the beginner, I suppose but I had been using Office products for over 10 years when they arrived so for me using them was more trouble than it was worth. They are here to stay so the sooner you learn the mechanics the better you will be in the long run. Start with the basic help files for JAWS, there are sections on ribbons there, although it has been so long since I needed to go there I don't recall the exact names. Roserosecomb...@cox.net -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 6:58 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Laura For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Jim, I carefully said "I think" you're wrong when saying the virtual cursor is easier. You're a valuable contributor to this list, and I've made notes from a number of your contributions. ON this particular issue, I disagree, and I explained why. I didn't do so out of disrespect or even to cause controversy, which is draining. This is one area, however, where I believe JAWS users have both a practical and philosophical choice to make, and new users need to know that this choice exists. I quickly became comfortable with the MS ribbons, as others on this list have. If they were too difficult, then I, too, would use the virtual ribbon. But since we have a true choice here, the question becomes whether I choose a method everyone else in the world uses or the one that only a few can. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Flusche Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 3:03 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Thanks David, I like that, it takes all of us and our opinion working together to finish the beach. Thanks, and smiles. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:51 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Opinions are like pebbles of sand, they are all different. No one is worth more or less than any other as they all come together to form a beach. -Original Message- From: Jim Flusche Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:18 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. No, Jim is not wrong. LOL. I have just given my humble opinion on why we should use the virtual ribbons with Jaws just like all other members have given their opinions on why not to use the virtual ribbons. Also, I have given good directions on how to use the word 2016 ribbons with the Jaws virtual ribbons activated. Why make myself remember a hundred special keystrokes for word 2016, when VFO gives us the ability to use the virtual ribbons with Jaws 18. Oh, how this makes life much easier with using Word, outlook, and excel. Again, I am not demanding from anyone that they must do it this way. Each of us can decide for ourselves weather we use the Jaws virtual ribbons or not. So please do not single me out and say my opinion is wrong over another member opinion. We are all entitled to give our own opinions out on this group unless things have changed that I am not aware of. Just my two cents worth. Smiles. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:03 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here explains it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on how to rid yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all. Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's new posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier because shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides, whenever possible, I would much rather use the options available to everyone and be part of the whole wide world. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Adrian, I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the keystroke. It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said "expanded". In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine disabled in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled? Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Adrian Spratt" <adr...@adrianspratt.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:32 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Control+F1 turns the virtual ribbon on and off. That's what my notes say. I've never done it. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Would you or somebody please tell me how to
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That makes sense to me. As far as I understand the functioning of the virtual ribbons, too (someone correct me though if I am wrong), JAWS may not be keeping up with the frequent Windows 10 updates, so there's a chance you could actually lose functionality or miss out on features if you use these. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:48 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. For what it is worth I myself have never tried them at all because it occurred to me that it would not be moving forward with the learning curve that is Windows. In other words how could you help somebody with such an animal IE ribbons in windows if you don't try them out for yourself? -Original Message- From: Adrian Spratt Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:02 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here explains it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on how to rid yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all. Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's new posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier because shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides, whenever possible, I would much rather use the options available to everyone and be part of the whole wide world. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Adrian, I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the keystroke. It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said "expanded". In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine disabled in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled? Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Adrian Spratt" <adr...@adrianspratt.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:32 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Control+F1 turns the virtual ribbon on and off. That's what my notes say. I've never done it. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon? Laura -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Laura Richardson" <laurak...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58 Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Laura For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked
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bout. The important things are that you are on a button and at the application menu. Press enter or the space bar to activate the button. Activating the button opens the menu. Start down arrowing. you will hear all the short cut commands necessary to open an item or take an action. When you got to the menu item, you heard alt f. When you open the menu and move through it, you will hear all the letters announced. for example, if you down arrow to save as, you will hear alt f a. that means that, when you are in the main program window, you open the menu as you always did, alt f, then type a. Alt f opens the menau and a then opens save as. Ribbon programs have one menu and you should look through it. Many important and common commands and interfaces such as options may be there. By options, I mean the kind of options interface you used to find in the tools menu. Now the we have seen the menu, let's look at the ribbons structure some more. To review, and add more information, as you have seen, you can move to the ribbon interface with alt. Then right and left arrow, just as you would move from menu to menu. You can also move to a ribbon using alt and a letter. So, alt h takes you to the home ribbon. Alt v takes you to the view ribbon, etc. Once you are on the ribbon you want to work with, tab to move forward through the items in a ribbon. Shift tab to move back through the items. So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow. Ribbons are divided into categories which you will hear announced as you tab. for example, in an e-mail program, a ribbon may have a category named respond. You may hear this announced as respond tool bar. As you tab, you will hear commands such as reply and forward in the respond category. When you hear a category announced, don't tab until you hear everything spoken. You will miss the first command in the category if you do. I'm talking about working with an unfamiliar ribbon. there are often many more commands and items in a ribbon than in a menu. So memorize command sequences for items you know you will use regularly. As I said, there are different categories in ribbons to help organize items. You can quickly jump from category to category in a ribbon to help you see if there is a category you want to look through. Move to a ribbon in Wordpad. For example, alt h for hhome or alt v for view. Then repeatedly issue the command control right arrow to move forward from category to category and control left arrow to move back. When you get to a category you want to hear the items in, start tabbing. Of course, you can shift tab to move back. Open a ribbon in Wordpad and tab through it to see how it is organized by moving through it. Then use control right arrow to move by category and tab to see what is in a category. Commands such as control o, control n, control s, control r, etc. are mostly retained in programs that use ribbons, though you won't hear them announced. If you don't already know them, you'll have to find them in ways such as by looking at a list of keyboard commands for the program. Such lists are often available in the help for the program. If you already know the commands from having used an older version of the program, most or perhaps even all of the commands you know will work. Take care. Mike. Go Dodgers! Sent from my iBarstool. Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree. - Original Message - From: Adrian Spratt To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here explains it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on how to rid yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all. Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's new posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier because shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides, whenever possible, I would much rather use the options available to everyone and be part of the whole wide world. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Adrian, I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the keystroke. It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said "expanded". In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine disabled in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled? Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engi
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Thanks David, I like that, it takes all of us and our opinion working together to finish the beach. Thanks, and smiles. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:51 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Opinions are like pebbles of sand, they are all different. No one is worth more or less than any other as they all come together to form a beach. -Original Message- From: Jim Flusche Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:18 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. No, Jim is not wrong. LOL. I have just given my humble opinion on why we should use the virtual ribbons with Jaws just like all other members have given their opinions on why not to use the virtual ribbons. Also, I have given good directions on how to use the word 2016 ribbons with the Jaws virtual ribbons activated. Why make myself remember a hundred special keystrokes for word 2016, when VFO gives us the ability to use the virtual ribbons with Jaws 18. Oh, how this makes life much easier with using Word, outlook, and excel. Again, I am not demanding from anyone that they must do it this way. Each of us can decide for ourselves weather we use the Jaws virtual ribbons or not. So please do not single me out and say my opinion is wrong over another member opinion. We are all entitled to give our own opinions out on this group unless things have changed that I am not aware of. Just my two cents worth. Smiles. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:03 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here explains it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on how to rid yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all. Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's new posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier because shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides, whenever possible, I would much rather use the options available to everyone and be part of the whole wide world. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Adrian, I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the keystroke. It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said "expanded". In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine disabled in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled? Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Adrian Spratt" <adr...@adrianspratt.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:32 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Control+F1 turns the virtual ribbon on and off. That's what my notes say. I've never done it. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon? Laura -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Laura Richardson" <laurak...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58 Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons.
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Hi Dave, I am sure we have all been wrong more than one time on any group. Just because you quit using the jaws virtual ribbons years ago, does not mean others cannot try them out for themselves. LOL. Yes, we are all entitled to give out our own opinions on the best ways of Using Jaws. Now if I am wrong about this may David F. correct me. But I think this is correct and OK for all of us to give out our own opinion here on the Jaws users list. I always try to find the easiest and simplest ways to use W-10 with Jaws. Thanks, and Smiles. Again, just my two cents worth, do whatever your heart desires. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:41 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Moi? Well, then either that was the one and only time I've been wrong, or as you say, things have changed. Take your pick. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Adrian Spratt" <adr...@adrianspratt.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:02 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here explains it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on how to rid yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all. Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's new posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier because shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides, whenever possible, I would much rather use the options available to everyone and be part of the whole wide world. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Adrian, I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the keystroke. It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said "expanded". In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine disabled in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled? Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Adrian Spratt" <adr...@adrianspratt.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:32 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Control+F1 turns the virtual ribbon on and off. That's what my notes say. I've never done it. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon? Laura -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Laura Richardson" <laurak...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58 Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Laura For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http:
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Opinions are like pebbles of sand, they are all different. No one is worth more or less than any other as they all come together to form a beach. -Original Message- From: Jim Flusche Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:18 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. No, Jim is not wrong. LOL. I have just given my humble opinion on why we should use the virtual ribbons with Jaws just like all other members have given their opinions on why not to use the virtual ribbons. Also, I have given good directions on how to use the word 2016 ribbons with the Jaws virtual ribbons activated. Why make myself remember a hundred special keystrokes for word 2016, when VFO gives us the ability to use the virtual ribbons with Jaws 18. Oh, how this makes life much easier with using Word, outlook, and excel. Again, I am not demanding from anyone that they must do it this way. Each of us can decide for ourselves weather we use the Jaws virtual ribbons or not. So please do not single me out and say my opinion is wrong over another member opinion. We are all entitled to give our own opinions out on this group unless things have changed that I am not aware of. Just my two cents worth. Smiles. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:03 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here explains it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on how to rid yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all. Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's new posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier because shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides, whenever possible, I would much rather use the options available to everyone and be part of the whole wide world. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Adrian, I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the keystroke. It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said "expanded". In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine disabled in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled? Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Adrian Spratt" <adr...@adrianspratt.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:32 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Control+F1 turns the virtual ribbon on and off. That's what my notes say. I've never done it. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon? Laura -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Laura Richardson" <laurak...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58 Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Laura For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to f
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For what it is worth I myself have never tried them at all because it occurred to me that it would not be moving forward with the learning curve that is Windows. In other words how could you help somebody with such an animal IE ribbons in windows if you don't try them out for yourself? -Original Message- From: Adrian Spratt Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:02 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here explains it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on how to rid yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all. Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's new posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier because shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides, whenever possible, I would much rather use the options available to everyone and be part of the whole wide world. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Adrian, I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the keystroke. It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said "expanded". In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine disabled in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled? Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Adrian Spratt" <adr...@adrianspratt.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:32 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Control+F1 turns the virtual ribbon on and off. That's what my notes say. I've never done it. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon? Laura -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Laura Richardson" <laurak...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58 Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Laura For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Moi? Well, then either that was the one and only time I've been wrong, or as you say, things have changed. Take your pick. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Adrian Spratt" <adr...@adrianspratt.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:02 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here explains it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on how to rid yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all. Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's new posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier because shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides, whenever possible, I would much rather use the options available to everyone and be part of the whole wide world. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Adrian, I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the keystroke. It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said "expanded". In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine disabled in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled? Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Adrian Spratt" <adr...@adrianspratt.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:32 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Control+F1 turns the virtual ribbon on and off. That's what my notes say. I've never done it. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon? Laura -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Laura Richardson" <laurak...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58 Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Laura For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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No, Jim is not wrong. LOL. I have just given my humble opinion on why we should use the virtual ribbons with Jaws just like all other members have given their opinions on why not to use the virtual ribbons. Also, I have given good directions on how to use the word 2016 ribbons with the Jaws virtual ribbons activated. Why make myself remember a hundred special keystrokes for word 2016, when VFO gives us the ability to use the virtual ribbons with Jaws 18. Oh, how this makes life much easier with using Word, outlook, and excel. Again, I am not demanding from anyone that they must do it this way. Each of us can decide for ourselves weather we use the Jaws virtual ribbons or not. So please do not single me out and say my opinion is wrong over another member opinion. We are all entitled to give our own opinions out on this group unless things have changed that I am not aware of. Just my two cents worth. Smiles. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:03 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here explains it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on how to rid yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all. Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's new posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier because shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides, whenever possible, I would much rather use the options available to everyone and be part of the whole wide world. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Adrian, I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the keystroke. It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said "expanded". In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine disabled in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled? Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Adrian Spratt" <adr...@adrianspratt.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:32 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Control+F1 turns the virtual ribbon on and off. That's what my notes say. I've never done it. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon? Laura -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Laura Richardson" <laurak...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58 Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Laura For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list v
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Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here explains it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on how to rid yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all. Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's new posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier because shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides, whenever possible, I would much rather use the options available to everyone and be part of the whole wide world. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Adrian, I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the keystroke. It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said "expanded". In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine disabled in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled? Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Adrian Spratt" <adr...@adrianspratt.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:32 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Control+F1 turns the virtual ribbon on and off. That's what my notes say. I've never done it. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon? Laura -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Laura Richardson" <laurak...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58 Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Laura For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Oops, I failed to read everyone's e-mails. Justin -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Pursley Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:41 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. To zap the JAWS virtual ribbons option press ins and j. Ah and arrow down to JAWS setup wizard Alt N to the third screen. arrow down to turn on virtual ribbons and uncheck the box. You can always recheck the box if you wish. On 8/20/2017 11:28 AM, Laura Richardson wrote: > Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon? > > Laura > > > -Original Message- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] > On Behalf Of Dave ... > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. > > I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become > dependent on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, > since they don't use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly > years ago and decided to buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons. > > Dave > Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer > > > - Original Message - > From: "Laura Richardson" <laurak...@gmail.com> > To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58 > Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. > > > Hello, > > > > When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. > I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but > need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. > > > > Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more > efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need > to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly > appreciated. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Laura > > > > > > > > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > -- James C. Pursley Chief Investment Officer Gaia Capital Management Underpinned by sustainably growing cash dividends from quality companies, we seek long term client account growth For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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You can also find it in settings center I think. Justin -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jim Pursley Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:41 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. To zap the JAWS virtual ribbons option press ins and j. Ah and arrow down to JAWS setup wizard Alt N to the third screen. arrow down to turn on virtual ribbons and uncheck the box. You can always recheck the box if you wish. On 8/20/2017 11:28 AM, Laura Richardson wrote: > Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon? > > Laura > > > -Original Message- > From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] > On Behalf Of Dave ... > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. > > I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become > dependent on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, > since they don't use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly > years ago and decided to buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons. > > Dave > Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer > > > - Original Message - > From: "Laura Richardson" <laurak...@gmail.com> > To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58 > Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. > > > Hello, > > > > When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. > I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but > need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. > > > > Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more > efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need > to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly > appreciated. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Laura > > > > > > > > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > -- James C. Pursley Chief Investment Officer Gaia Capital Management Underpinned by sustainably growing cash dividends from quality companies, we seek long term client account growth For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Hi Laura, I would not turn off the use virtual ribbons in Jaws if I were you. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon? Laura -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Laura Richardson" <laurak...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58 Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Laura For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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I disagree, I would not tell new Jaws users to turn off the virtual ribbons in the jaws settings. You said you have not used them for years. Using the Jaws virtual ribbons makes the task of using the ribbons for word and outlook 2016 so much easier. Also, the addition of the tell me feature, also helps to find what you are looking for much easier. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:17 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Laura Richardson" <laurak...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58 Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Laura For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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**Pressing ALT+F, will land you on the Info tab in the File menu of word. **Pressing ALT+F, followed by the letter T, will land you in the Options list in word. **Pressing the F1 key, will open a help page in word. *Tip, Doing more testing in word 2016 with Jaws 18. Most of the issues I explained with using Jaws above, seem to occur after using the Smart look-up feature in Word 2016. Tip, after pressing the ALT key, two times to close the smart look up, just shut down and restart Jaws to get Jaws working correctly again with Word 2016. This is the only lesson I am going to do, with using Word 2016 with Jaws. As always, all member feedback is welcome at all times by me, concerning these keyboard your best friend series. *My purpose for developing all of this free material for the Blind computer user is to help teach and assist a Blind person to use w-10 with a Screen reader like Jaws. *My hope is that the Blind computer user will grow in confidence, in their ability, to use, and to navigate the w-10 computer system, using just Jaws. *This is one of many tutorials, I hope to produce, for the Blind community, to help teach all of them, how to use a W-10 computer using Jaws. *My hope is , That over time, they would learn how to do, and complete, various computer tasks in W-10, all by themselves. *The W-10 and Jaws yahoo group is a freely provided ministry of The River Yahoo group. *I freely offer the W-10 and Jaws group, and all of its materials, as a free and voluntary work of love, to reach out and teach all the blind computer users all over the world, how to learn how to use a W-10 computer using Jaws. You can subscribe to The Windows 10 and Jaws Yahoo group at: windows-10-and-jaws-subscr...@yahoogroups.co.in You can subscribe to The River group at: the-river-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Happy learning! God bless! Sincerely: Jim Flusche. Owner of the Windows 10 and Jaws and The River Yahoo groups. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:58 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Laura For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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The easiest way to get to the check box to verify whether virtual ribbon menus are turnd off is to launch the Start-Up Wizard on the JAWS help menu and navigate to the third page of the wizard where the check box is located. Gerald -Original Message- From: Miriam Vieni Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:05 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. When someone helped me set up Office 365, I think the virtual ribbons were turned off. However, I'm not sure that they're turned off now because I haven't needed to use the ribbons as she set up what I needed. But can you tell me how to turn them off if they're on, please? Miriam -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:29 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hi, Laura. Rose previously posted a message that was critical of the JAWS virtual ribbon that I agree with. For one thing, it prevents you from using familiar shortcuts. In a bigger picture sense that might or might not matter to you, avoiding the regular Microsoft ribbon will make it more difficult to get sighted assistance, since they won't know anything about the JAWS virtual ribbon. For this and other reasons, I prefer to use the MS ribbons. Each of us has a different way of learning the MS ribbons. Whenever possible, I will use a shortcut instead of delving into the ribbon. For example, I'll press control-d to get to the font dialog rather than go hunting for it in the ribbon. Another way of getting around the ribbons is to use the applications key, between the right Windows and control keys on most keyboards. This is where I go for the dialog that takes you through line-spacing, margins, etc. But then there are the times when you must use the ribbon. Here, you may find yourself remembering what are called key tips. For example, when I want to place the page number at a certain point on a page (top left, top middle, etc.), I press the following keys: alt+n together for "insert," and then n, u in quick succession. I'm immediately in the right dialog. When you explore the MS ribbons, listen carefully for these key tips. I find they aren't always easy to hear, but usually I can make them out. The example I just gave will be verbalized when you go through the "insert" part of the ribbon. I'm not pretending to give you an exhaustive explanation of the MS ribbons, but I hope it might help you think about how to approach them. Shortcuts, applications key, key tips, in that order of simplicity. When I first faced the MS ribbons, I was intimidated. I shouldn't have been. Just learn what you need as the need arises. And never hesitate to post questions here. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:58 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Laura For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Miriam, Read back a few messages and you'll find the step-by-step instructions from either me or Gerald. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Miriam Vieni" <miriamvi...@optonline.net> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 09:05 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. When someone helped me set up Office 365, I think the virtual ribbons were turned off. However, I'm not sure that they're turned off now because I haven't needed to use the ribbons as she set up what I needed. But can you tell me how to turn them off if they're on, please? Miriam -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:29 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hi, Laura. Rose previously posted a message that was critical of the JAWS virtual ribbon that I agree with. For one thing, it prevents you from using familiar shortcuts. In a bigger picture sense that might or might not matter to you, avoiding the regular Microsoft ribbon will make it more difficult to get sighted assistance, since they won't know anything about the JAWS virtual ribbon. For this and other reasons, I prefer to use the MS ribbons. Each of us has a different way of learning the MS ribbons. Whenever possible, I will use a shortcut instead of delving into the ribbon. For example, I'll press control-d to get to the font dialog rather than go hunting for it in the ribbon. Another way of getting around the ribbons is to use the applications key, between the right Windows and control keys on most keyboards. This is where I go for the dialog that takes you through line-spacing, margins, etc. But then there are the times when you must use the ribbon. Here, you may find yourself remembering what are called key tips. For example, when I want to place the page number at a certain point on a page (top left, top middle, etc.), I press the following keys: alt+n together for "insert," and then n, u in quick succession. I'm immediately in the right dialog. When you explore the MS ribbons, listen carefully for these key tips. I find they aren't always easy to hear, but usually I can make them out. The example I just gave will be verbalized when you go through the "insert" part of the ribbon. I'm not pretending to give you an exhaustive explanation of the MS ribbons, but I hope it might help you think about how to approach them. Shortcuts, applications key, key tips, in that order of simplicity. When I first faced the MS ribbons, I was intimidated. I shouldn't have been. Just learn what you need as the need arises. And never hesitate to post questions here. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:58 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Laura For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......
When someone helped me set up Office 365, I think the virtual ribbons were turned off. However, I'm not sure that they're turned off now because I haven't needed to use the ribbons as she set up what I needed. But can you tell me how to turn them off if they're on, please? Miriam -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:29 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hi, Laura. Rose previously posted a message that was critical of the JAWS virtual ribbon that I agree with. For one thing, it prevents you from using familiar shortcuts. In a bigger picture sense that might or might not matter to you, avoiding the regular Microsoft ribbon will make it more difficult to get sighted assistance, since they won't know anything about the JAWS virtual ribbon. For this and other reasons, I prefer to use the MS ribbons. Each of us has a different way of learning the MS ribbons. Whenever possible, I will use a shortcut instead of delving into the ribbon. For example, I'll press control-d to get to the font dialog rather than go hunting for it in the ribbon. Another way of getting around the ribbons is to use the applications key, between the right Windows and control keys on most keyboards. This is where I go for the dialog that takes you through line-spacing, margins, etc. But then there are the times when you must use the ribbon. Here, you may find yourself remembering what are called key tips. For example, when I want to place the page number at a certain point on a page (top left, top middle, etc.), I press the following keys: alt+n together for "insert," and then n, u in quick succession. I'm immediately in the right dialog. When you explore the MS ribbons, listen carefully for these key tips. I find they aren't always easy to hear, but usually I can make them out. The example I just gave will be verbalized when you go through the "insert" part of the ribbon. I'm not pretending to give you an exhaustive explanation of the MS ribbons, but I hope it might help you think about how to approach them. Shortcuts, applications key, key tips, in that order of simplicity. When I first faced the MS ribbons, I was intimidated. I shouldn't have been. Just learn what you need as the need arises. And never hesitate to post questions here. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:58 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Laura For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Adrian, I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the keystroke. It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said "expanded". In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine disabled in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled? Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Adrian Spratt" <adr...@adrianspratt.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:32 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Control+F1 turns the virtual ribbon on and off. That's what my notes say. I've never done it. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon? Laura -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Laura Richardson" <laurak...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58 Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Laura For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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To zap the JAWS virtual ribbons option press ins and j. Ah and arrow down to JAWS setup wizard Alt N to the third screen. arrow down to turn on virtual ribbons and uncheck the box. You can always recheck the box if you wish. On 8/20/2017 11:28 AM, Laura Richardson wrote: Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon? Laura -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Laura Richardson" <laurak...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58 Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Laura For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ -- James C. Pursley Chief Investment Officer Gaia Capital Management Underpinned by sustainably growing cash dividends from quality companies, we seek long term client account growth For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......
Follow these steps to turn off the JAWS virtual ribbon menu feature: Perform the following steps to use JAWS Settings Center to enable or disable Virtual Ribbon Menus: 1.First, press INSERT+F2 to activate the Run JAWS Managers list. 2.Press the letter S until you land on the settings center item and press ENTER to activate it. The settings center dialog box opens with the cursor in the search edit box. 3.Press CTRL+SHIFT+D to activate the default settings. 4.Type the word "ribbon" (without the quotes). 5.Press the DOWN ARROW to move through the list of search results until you land on the Use Virtual Ribbon Menu check box. 6. Press the SPACE BAR to uncheck the box to turn off virtual ribbon menus. Check it again to turn virtual ribbon menus back on. 7.Press TAB to move to the OK button, and activate it. Gerald -Original Message- From: Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon? Laura -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Laura Richardson" <laurak...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58 Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Laura For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......
Control+F1 turns the virtual ribbon on and off. That's what my notes say. I've never done it. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon? Laura -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Laura Richardson" <laurak...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58 Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Laura For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Insert+F2 Pres letter S until you hear settings center Press Enter Ctrl+Shift+D (brings up default configuration) Type the word virtual in search field tab to the list arrow down until you hear virtual ribbon checked pres spacebar to uncheck Hit Enter twice. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Laura Richardson" <laurak...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:28 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon? Laura -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Laura Richardson" <laurak...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58 Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Laura For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......
Hi, Laura. Rose previously posted a message that was critical of the JAWS virtual ribbon that I agree with. For one thing, it prevents you from using familiar shortcuts. In a bigger picture sense that might or might not matter to you, avoiding the regular Microsoft ribbon will make it more difficult to get sighted assistance, since they won't know anything about the JAWS virtual ribbon. For this and other reasons, I prefer to use the MS ribbons. Each of us has a different way of learning the MS ribbons. Whenever possible, I will use a shortcut instead of delving into the ribbon. For example, I'll press control-d to get to the font dialog rather than go hunting for it in the ribbon. Another way of getting around the ribbons is to use the applications key, between the right Windows and control keys on most keyboards. This is where I go for the dialog that takes you through line-spacing, margins, etc. But then there are the times when you must use the ribbon. Here, you may find yourself remembering what are called key tips. For example, when I want to place the page number at a certain point on a page (top left, top middle, etc.), I press the following keys: alt+n together for "insert," and then n, u in quick succession. I'm immediately in the right dialog. When you explore the MS ribbons, listen carefully for these key tips. I find they aren't always easy to hear, but usually I can make them out. The example I just gave will be verbalized when you go through the "insert" part of the ribbon. I'm not pretending to give you an exhaustive explanation of the MS ribbons, but I hope it might help you think about how to approach them. Shortcuts, applications key, key tips, in that order of simplicity. When I first faced the MS ribbons, I was intimidated. I shouldn't have been. Just learn what you need as the need arises. And never hesitate to post questions here. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:58 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Laura For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon? Laura -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dave ... Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Laura Richardson" <laurak...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58 Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Laura For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......
I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer - Original Message - From: "Laura Richardson" <laurak...@gmail.com> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58 Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not .. Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Laura For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......
Hello, When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner. I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to learn how to navigate these ribbons. Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off? I want and need to learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Laura For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
