Re: JDEE installer?

2002-12-04 Thread Daniel Hegyi
Either Web Start or a standalone JAR would work. I'm not sure about trying this with an applet, mainly because of security restrictions. (Web Start has security restrictions as well, but you don't have to deal with the possibility of a buggy browser JVM.) Artur's script is a good start on this.

Re: JDEE installer?

2002-12-04 Thread Artur Hefczyc
I think that a user-friendly install-shield-like GUI wizard for the Windows folks would be very nice. You know, with check-boxes and Next buttons. :) Heh, feel free to create such one. I am the one who hates GUI wizards. If I would love them you can be sure I would prefer to use JBuilder like

Re: JDEE installer?

2002-12-04 Thread Andrew Hyatt
Althought we're getting off the topics of installers, I say I agree, but that doesn't mean GUI's. If emacs people like GUI's they wouldn't be emacs people. But we need better UI for jde in general. For example, what's with the C-c C-v keybindings? This is only one key off from the C-x C-c

Re: JDEE installer?

2002-12-04 Thread Paul Kinnucan
Daniel Hegyi writes: I think that a user-friendly install-shield-like GUI wizard for the Windows folks would be very nice. You know, with check-boxes and Next buttons. :) Heh, feel free to create such one. I am the one who hates GUI wizards. If I would love them you can be sure I

Re: JDEE installer?

2002-12-04 Thread Artur Hefczyc
My personal opinion is that Emacs should become a little more user-friendly, otherwise IDEs like JBuilder and WebSphere Studio Enterprise Developer WILL take over, and Emacs will become a notepad on steroids. I don't know about you, but I have a tough time remembering just a few function

keybindings (was Re: JDEE installer?)

2002-12-04 Thread Peter Dobratz
Andrew Hyatt writes: For example, what's with the C-c C-v keybindings? This is only one key off from the C-x C-c binding which exits emacs. Not good. I think the point of these keybindings is that they are easy to type. In any case, you are right about C-x C-c being easy to inadvertantly

Re: JDEE installer?

2002-12-04 Thread Alan Salewski
[This response is off topic, but it is hoped that it is useful to someone.] On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 12:02:25PM -0800, Andrew Hyatt spake thus: For example, what's with the C-c C-v keybindings? This is only one key off from the C-x C-c binding which exits emacs. Not good. I agree with the

Re: JDEE installer?

2002-12-04 Thread Daniel Hegyi
Daniel Hegyi writes: I think that a user-friendly install-shield-like GUI wizard for the Windows folks would be very nice. You know, with check-boxes and Next buttons. :) Heh, feel free to create such one. I am the one who hates GUI wizards. If I would love them you can be

Re: JDEE installer?

2002-12-04 Thread Daniel Hegyi
My personal opinion is that Emacs should become a little more user-friendly, otherwise IDEs like JBuilder and WebSphere Studio Enterprise Developer WILL take over, and Emacs will become a notepad on steroids. I don't know about you, but I have a tough time remembering just a few function

Re: JDEE installer?

2002-12-04 Thread Andrew Hyatt
Gee, I really think you are being unreasonable here. I think JDE could improve in user friendliness. A lot of things in emacs-land can. That doesn't mean to switch to GUI's or anything. But JDE SHOULD be user-friendly. You can have user-friendly emacs programs, look at BBDB. It's usually

Re: keybindings (was Re: JDEE installer?)

2002-12-04 Thread Andrew Hyatt
Peter Dobratz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andrew Hyatt writes: For example, what's with the C-c C-v keybindings? This is only one key off from the C-x C-c binding which exits emacs. Not good. I think the point of these keybindings is that they are easy to type. In any case, you are

Re: Refactoring Wish List

2002-12-04 Thread David Jencks
To jump into this discussion at a non-linear place, another useful addition to the jdee would be the ability to add custom javadoc tags for xdoclet. Xdoclet comes with a java gui tool for this (xdocletgui) which modifies the source files. It would be considerably easier to use in emacs if the

RE: jde-jalopy.el

2002-12-04 Thread Nascif Abousalh-Neto
Title: RE: jde-jalopy.el http://home.nc.rr.com/nascifandelaine/emacs.html Enjoy, Nascif -Original Message- From: Keith Kee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 12:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: jde-jalopy.el Hi:

RE: JDEE installer?

2002-12-04 Thread Andy Piper
Is anybody working on a JDEE installer that would get ALL the required and optional packages (that the user selects in the setup process, such as ECB, Jalopy) and would set all the necessary settings (such as jde-bug-jdk-directory, jde-jdk-registry) and some optional settings, such as

Re: JDEE installer?

2002-12-04 Thread Paul Kinnucan
Andrew Hyatt writes: Althought we're getting off the topics of installers, I say I agree, but that doesn't mean GUI's. If emacs people like GUI's they wouldn't be emacs people. But we need better UI for jde in general. For example, what's with the C-c C-v keybindings? This is only

Re: JDEE installer?

2002-12-04 Thread Paul Kinnucan
Andrew Hyatt writes: Gee, I really think you are being unreasonable here. I think JDE could improve in user friendliness. A lot of things in emacs-land can. That doesn't mean to switch to GUI's or anything. But JDE SHOULD be user-friendly. You can have user-friendly emacs programs,

Re: JDEE installer?

2002-12-04 Thread Galen Boyer
On Wed, 04 Dec 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Emacs IS changing. The question is, is the change fast enough. As far as I can tell, Gnus, in its infancy, used to be horrible. Other newsreaders blew it away. Now, it does things other newsreaders can't dream of doing. Emacs had the issue that

RE: Refactoring Wish List

2002-12-04 Thread Henrik Kjær
Yes, JDE lacks the find-usage option, and I think it would be a nice feature to have, its not high on my priority list though, as Paul Kinnucan pointed out the find-expression can be used as a substitute. I don't understand the fuss about it - maybe it because emacs/jde doesn't support it that

RE: JDEE installer?

2002-12-04 Thread Paul Kinnucan
Andy Piper writes: Is anybody working on a JDEE installer that would get ALL the required and optional packages (that the user selects in the setup process, such as ECB, Jalopy) and would set all the necessary settings (such as jde-bug-jdk-directory, jde-jdk-registry) and some