Re: [announcement] Telegram bridging to be retired Wed. 20 Sept. | 5 to-dos

2023-08-23 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
On 23.8.2023 14.24, Paul Brown wrote: A lot fo good ideas we can use to reach a compromise, but this ... KDE members are of course free to participate in discussions anywhere they want, but loading KDE resources (sysadmin team & machines) with all possible proprietary network doesn't seem a

Re: Winding down Phabricator

2020-06-21 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
Ben Cooksley kirjoitti 21.6.2020 klo 6.38: Hi all, With the completion of Phase 1 of our move to Gitlab, all code review activity should now be taking place on Gitlab, with only residual reviews being cleaned out of Phabricator (which hopefully we're already well underway with - please start

Re: The chat situation

2020-06-11 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
Christian Loosli kirjoitti 11.6.2020 klo 15.25: And while IRC is improving (and you are very welcome to participate e.g. in #ircv3 or #freenode-dev on freenode) two of the main pain points people mention (lack of an endless scrollback / offline history, uploading media directly) are unlikely

Re: The chat situation

2020-06-11 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
Bernie Innocenti kirjoitti 11.6.2020 klo 14.02: On 11/06/2020 19.28, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote: Bernie Innocenti kirjoitti 11.6.2020 klo 9.38: Doesn't Riot.im support images well enough for your use-case? It's free software, and it's becoming fairly mature lately. The root issue for both

Re: The chat situation

2020-06-11 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
Bernie Innocenti kirjoitti 11.6.2020 klo 9.38: Doesn't Riot.im support images well enough for your use-case? It's free software, and it's becoming fairly mature lately. The root issue for both Telegram and Matrix seems to be that they're bridging through a legacy platform like IRC. Would it

Re: The chat situation

2020-06-11 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
Kenny Duffus kirjoitti 11.6.2020 klo 11.44: On Thursday, 11 June 2020 08:19:21 BST Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote: As an alternative, we can also "fix" IRC, meaning to improve its UX. For offering a KDE-hosted always-online experience to everyone, there are modern solutions such

Re: The chat situation

2020-06-11 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
Nate Graham kirjoitti 11.6.2020 klo 2.16: Carson's email about bridging #kde-devel to Telegram got me thinking: we should have a discussion about the situation we're in regarding chat services in KDE. The current Matrix solution does not seem not optimal to me. I have really tried my best to

Re: New homepage for kde.org

2019-12-08 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
We can consult this site: http://shouldiuseacarousel.com/ Ilmari Niccolò Venerandi kirjoitti 8.12.2019 klo 11.58: Could that be an appropriate use case for a carousel? It takes less vertical space, and the user probably won't be annoyed by the automatic change of picture as he don't probably

Re: Invent/gitlab, issues and bugzilla

2019-07-04 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
Elv1313 . kirjoitti 5.7.2019 klo 1.59: I have no idea what you mean with PR<-->Issues integration problem. The things other people mentioned (close issues when PRs are merged, links with context on hover, etc) Plus, "in the future", maybe improvements like being able to turn an issue in a pull

Re: Invent/gitlab, issues and bugzilla

2019-07-04 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
Nate Graham kirjoitti 4.7.2019 klo 20.02: On 7/4/19 10:39 AM, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: Is it really true that gitlab makes reporting bugs easier for our users? I.e., does it offer easier login, an easier way to add screen shots and screen recordings or crash logs? In my experience, yes. Being

Re: Invent/gitlab, issues and bugzilla

2019-07-04 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
On 04.07.2019 13:41, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: So, what gitlab issues have over bugzilla is a rich text editor and a confidentiality flag. What bugzilla has over gitlab issues is reasonable solid set of features that help actually tracking and managing the bug report. It's not that I'm a huge

Re: Invent/gitlab, issues and bugzilla

2019-07-03 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
Nate Graham kirjoitti 3.7.2019 klo 21.23: On 7/3/19 11:53 AM, Albert Astals Cid wrote: If the new is much better than the old, let's just remove the old. As said, having two things that do the same is just confusing for everyone. I would tend to agree, and having two is super confusing. In

Re: Bugzilla order of sections when entering a new bug

2019-06-22 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
Nate Graham kirjoitti 22.6.2019 klo 12.44: 2) The description section should move above the duplicates check I think this makes the duplicates check less useful, but the underlying issue here is that the duplicates check is itself not really as accurate as it could be so it's not helping

Re: Discourse

2018-11-27 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
Lays Rodrigues kirjoitti 27.11.2018 klo 18.25: Let's not go in that way. As a ~new person~ on KDE, 3 years only, we need to move to a modern web. At least in my point of view, I really think that using old stuff doesn't attract new people. In that I have a few ideas for some KDE websites go

Re: Discourse

2018-11-26 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
Martin Flöser kirjoitti 26.11.2018 klo 19.03: Am 2018-11-26 09:23, schrieb Ilmari Lauhakangas: The main problem in any case will be getting enough engagement. I don't think I have ever received a reply from a KDE developer in the current forums. And that's good! Do you want that developers

Re: Closing NEEDSINFO bugs after 30 days

2018-09-18 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
Ilmari Lauhakangas kirjoitti 18.9.2018 klo 14.13: Harald Sitter kirjoitti 18.9.2018 klo 13.40: Anywayyy... I can throw together some automation so long as someone tells me what exactly the process should be :P Wait a bit as I have just been in contact with Andrew about re-using

Re: Closing NEEDSINFO bugs after 30 days

2018-09-18 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
Harald Sitter kirjoitti 18.9.2018 klo 13.40: Anywayyy... I can throw together some automation so long as someone tells me what exactly the process should be :P Wait a bit as I have just been in contact with Andrew about re-using the automation LibreOffice already has for this. I need to ask

Re: Improving Bugzilla Status Names

2018-09-05 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
Sorry, I don't have better suggestions. Naming things is a hard problem in bug science. Ilmari Andrew Crouthamel kirjoitti 5.9.2018 klo 11.17: I like REPORTED as well. That leaves timeframe out of the status name. Bugs can stay REPORTED but never CONFIRMED, and that all makes sense. Based

Re: Improving Bugzilla Status Names

2018-09-04 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
Andrew Crouthamel kirjoitti 5.9.2018 klo 5.28:     d. If bug is not fixable due to technical limitations, or expected behavior, set to RESOLVED + ASDESIGNED. WONTFIX is also typically used to refuse to implement features that are out of scope or not aligned with a product vision. Just wanted

Re: KDE goals IRC office hour

2018-03-18 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
On 16.03.2018 17:35, Adriaan de Groot wrote: On Friday, 16 March 2018 16:07:20 CET, Adriaan de Groot wrote: I've now contacted the Janitor folks, so we'll see what can be updated and/or revised, and possibly start using it -- since it *does* sound like a very interesting service. Please

Re: KDE goals IRC office hour

2018-03-16 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
On 16.03.2018 12:29, Adriaan de Groot wrote: On Friday, 16 March 2018 09:20:26 CET, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote: KDE     Efforts:     None     WANTED: Maintaining KDE development environment image     WANTED: Hosting Janitor containers for KDE     Benefits:     Development

Re: Proposal for a poll to users about bug triaging

2018-02-28 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
On 28.02.2018 16:21, Jaroslaw Staniek wrote: My story is, more rules, more scared users ignore the BKO. A single thing worth having is not too many rules but editing feature for *wrong* or outdated bug comments that make understanding the report so hard. Many years have passed since the first

Re: Proposal for a poll to users about bug triaging

2018-02-28 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
ating a bug brings down my whole system like the bug report says, I'm going to get someone's attention. But in between that and a minor annoyance... I can't decide that. -Scott, graybeard wannabe junior developer On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 7:54 AM, Ilmari Lauhakangas <ilmari.lauhak

Re: Proposal for a poll to users about bug triaging

2018-02-28 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
rocess a wrong re-routage, this will be complex later to maintain a project. See the sections created in bugzilla about digiKam project for example : https://bugs.kde.org/editcomponents.cgi?product=digikam=1 Best Gilles Caulier 2018-02-28 12:35 GMT+01:00 Ilmari Lauhakangas <ilmari

Proposal for a poll to users about bug triaging

2018-02-28 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
I am personally convinced that users do not know bug triaging is a thing and certainly not how much they could help developers by doing it. It would be very useful to test this by running a poll on https://blogs.kde.org/ or somewhere. Questions could be something along the lines of "Did you

Re: Let's get rid of UNCONFIRMED/CONFIRMED

2018-02-28 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
On 28.02.2018 12:01, Luigi Toscano wrote: On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 10:32:58 CET Boudewijn Rempt wrote: On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 00:14:30 CET Luigi Toscano wrote: On bugzilla.redhat.com some teams use the Triaged keyword. I think it would be a good solution. I've been trying that,

Re: Let's get rid of UNCONFIRMED/CONFIRMED

2018-02-27 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
On 27.02.2018 22:06, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: On Tuesday, 27 February 2018 20:39:31 CET Elvis Angelaccio wrote: Exactly. Also, what Luca said: unconfirmed gives the impression that we don't care about the bug. My point is that confirmed/unconfirmed adds more problems than it solves. Note

Re: Let's get rid of UNCONFIRMED/CONFIRMED

2018-02-27 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
On 27.02.2018 15:45, Paul Brown wrote: On Tuesday, 27 February 2018 13:43:17 CET Boudewijn Rempt wrote: On Tuesday, 27 February 2018 13:30:12 CET Paul Brown wrote: Is it true that users get confused by the bugtracking system? If so, this is an issue, right? Well, users can get confused by

Re: Regarding KDE Chat Solution

2018-02-21 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
I see it rather as not moving away from IRC, but IRC moving towards modernity and thus remaining a viable protocol. Regards, Ilmari On 21.02.2018 12:35, Ilya Bizyaev wrote: Hello Severino! :) I am glad you mentioned XMPP, and in fact I also see it and https://kdetalk.net/ as an

Re: Telegram-IRC bridge not working

2018-02-14 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
On 14.02.2018 23:39, Nicolás Alvarez wrote: Hi people, The KDE Telegram-IRC bridge bot is not working anymore, and after some troubleshooting and upgrades uhh I think I managed to break it more. Maybe it's a problem with Telegram's servers though. I'll do some more testing later, but for now

Re: bugzilla, it's products, how they relate to projects. it's a mess...

2018-02-01 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
On 01.02.2018 12:50, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 20:44:13 CET Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote: In LibreOffice, we only restrict priority and severity and even those upwards from medium/normal. We monitor messy stuff with a script: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/gitweb?p=dev

bugzilla, it's products, how they relate to projects. it's a mess...

2018-01-31 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
On Monday, 29 January 12:16:07 UTC Boudewijn Rempt wrote: On Monday, 29 January 2018 12:25:24 CET Harald Sitter wrote: I don't like going to our bugzilla. Me neither... But that's more because I have to triage about a 1000 bug reports a year, and many of them are not bug reports at all, but

Re: [kde-community] Conservative proposal: let's work with Kiwi IRC

2017-08-16 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
On 16.08.2017 14:56, Jonathan Riddell wrote: On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 12:58:35PM +0300, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote: The work-in-progress Kiwi Next client can be tested like so: https://kiwiirc.com/nextclient/#irc://irc.freenode.net/kde You can add more channels separated with commas. Looks like

Re: Conservative proposal: let's work with Kiwi IRC

2017-08-16 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
On 16.08.2017 14:08, Christian Loosli wrote: I mostly agree, even though I am unsure of how certain things could be implemented, e.g. * Editing messages which IRC simply does not support. So my best guess would be that this only works for people using the Kiwi solution, or the IRC people

Conservative proposal: let's work with Kiwi IRC

2017-08-16 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas
Hello you radicals. I am a KDE user and contributor and a member of The Document Foundation. Jonathan already referred to my mail on the LibreOffice projects list, so I might as well branch out here. I've been working with Kiwi IRC's lead developer Darren for some weeks now. Today I showed