patch to the field that will
compromise the
performance of our equipment.
Regards,
Chris Wahler
Director of Marketing
ACR Electronics, Inc.
Original reply:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:RE: [LEAPSECS] a system that fails spectacularly
Date: December 8, 2005 2:
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Clive D.W. Feather" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: M. Warner Losh said:
: > >> * A second is represented by an integer from 0 to 61;
: [...]
: > >> but this specification
: > >> follows the date and time conventions for ISO C.
:
: Of course, I
On 9 Dec 2005 at 10:42, David Harper wrote:
> On the other hand, the idea of ISO 9000 compliant Morris dancers is a
> very funny one. Presumably, they'd have to standardise the size of
> their pig's bladders. There's a Monty Python sketch just waiting to be
> written.
>
> I'm guessing that their l
On Fri, 9 Dec 2005, Clive D.W. Feather wrote:
> boundary than to deal with stuff coming in. In other words, it's easier to
> only buy widgets from ISO 9000 compliant suppliers than to provide an
> inbound widget quality test department.
>From what I understand from some of the recent emails, you w
Clive D.W. Feather wrote:
Steve Allen said:
This became a long-running joke in the morris dance community. A few
years back some English town councils decided to become ISO 9000
compliant. That required them to ascertain that all of their
sub-contractors were also compliant.
Actually, it d
M. Warner Losh said:
> >> * A second is represented by an integer from 0 to 61;
[...]
> >> but this specification
> >> follows the date and time conventions for ISO C.
Of course, ISO C fixed this misunderstanding many years ago.
--
Clive D.W. Feather | Work: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |
Steve Allen said:
> This became a long-running joke in the morris dance community. A few
> years back some English town councils decided to become ISO 9000
> compliant. That required them to ascertain that all of their
> sub-contractors were also compliant.
Actually, it does nothing of the sort.
On Thu 2005/12/08 15:46:48 BST, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote
in a message to: LEAPSECS@ROM.USNO.NAVY.MIL
>You need to look even further down the foodchain, starting from the bottom:
>
>* First comes people who make buying decisions based on price.
>
>* Then comes engineers who are only in it for the mo
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Ed Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: The Java Date class documentation does, at least, show reasonable
: awareness of leap seconds:
:
:http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/api/java/util/Date.html
:
: Pity those of us who've been reading this list a
Hornaday, Tem SPAWAR scripsit:
'
> At the mad tea party in Alice In Wonderland, the prescription for a
> stopped watch is to slather its innards with butter. When it is
> suggested that perhaps butter wasn't the best solution, the response is,
> "But it was the best butter!" That's the world we l
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
...
Some of us have been trying to drive this point though for some time:
99.99% of all programmers have no idea what a leap-second is.
...
The Java Date class documentation does, at least, show reasonable
awareness of leap seconds:
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/
David Harper scripsit:
> I discovered last year that implementations of Java up to and including
> Java 1.3 did not implement the correct daylight saving time rules for
> the United Kingdom during the period between 27 October 1968 and 31
> October 1971 when the U.K. kept its clocks permanently on
these things.
--Tem Hornaday
GPS Engineering, at a Navy facility in San Diego
-Original Message-
From: Leap Seconds Issues [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Poul-Henning Kamp
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 6:47 AM
To: LEAPSECS@ROM.USNO.NAVY.MIL
Subject: Re: [LEAPSECS] a system
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rob Seaman writes:
>On Dec 7, 2005, at 11:57 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
>
>> ISO9000 certification only means that you have documented your
>> quality assurance process. There is no requirement that your
>> documentation pertains to or results in a quality product
On Dec 7, 2005, at 11:57 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
ISO9000 certification only means that you have documented your
quality assurance process. There is no requirement that your
documentation pertains to or results in a quality product.
That was kind of my point, too. We have standards bodie
On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 09:15:08AM +, David Harper wrote:
>
> When even Sun Microsystems can make this kind of mistake, with all of
> the resources at its disposal, Joe or Jane Programmer working for a
> small company can be forgiven for not being familiar with the arcane
> world of leap second
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
Some of us have been trying to drive this point though for some time:
99.99% of all programmers have no idea what a leap-second is.
And these are the people who program the technology that runs our
civilization.
The confusion runs deeper than that.
I discovered las
On Dec 7, 2005, at 2:17 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
Some of us have been trying to drive this point though for some time:
99.99% of all programmers have no idea what a leap-second is.
100.00% of everybody live on a planet whose rotation is slowing by a
couple of milliseconds per day per ce
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:35:04 +, "David Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> Rob Seaman wrote:
> > I don't know whether to be more embarrassed for the company or for
> > the international standards process. How many companies claim ISO
> > 9000 conformance? If they don't comprehend the requireme
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Poul-Henning Kamp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: ISO9000 certification only means that you have documented your
: quality assurance process.
:
: There is no requirement that your documentation pertains to
: or results in a quality product.
:
: One of the
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brian Garrett writes:
>And you've gotta love the interpretation of UTC as "Universal Time Code" in
>the Canadian report. If they don't understand what UTC is, or at the very
>least understand that their users are going to be confused by their
>misleading use of the
- Original Message -
From: "Steve Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: [LEAPSECS] a system that fails spectacularly
> On Wed 2005-12-07T06:59:39 -0700, Rob Seaman hath writ:
> > it seems that one of two things
Rob,
ISO9000 certification only means that you have documented your
quality assurance process.
There is no requirement that your documentation pertains to
or results in a quality product.
One of the Danish ISO9K consultants used to bring a ISO9000
certification case along to explain this to comp
On Wed 2005-12-07T14:56:35 +, Markus Kuhn hath writ:
> As a general-purpose management standard, ISO 9001 obviously says
> nothing about how you have to handle leap seconds. ISO 9001 does not
> even specify any particular level of quality. All it does is tell you
> how you must document what le
Steve Allen wrote:
On Wed 2005-12-07T06:59:39 -0700, Rob Seaman hath writ:
it seems that one of two things must be true. Either the fact that
the letter is dated December 5, 2005 indicates that they just now got
around to acting on the July, 2005 announcement of the upcoming leap
second - or,
Upon rereading my message, I'd like to backpedal a bit. I did not
intend to assert any knowledge or comprehension (or even opinion)
about the company's internal operations and decision-making process.
We would likely all be interested, however, if Mr. Bell were to
comment on the delay between the
On Wed 2005-12-07T06:59:39 -0700, Rob Seaman hath writ:
> it seems that one of two things must be true. Either the fact that
> the letter is dated December 5, 2005 indicates that they just now got
> around to acting on the July, 2005 announcement of the upcoming leap
> second - or, they acted upon
Rob Seaman wrote on 2005-12-07 13:59 UTC:
> > http://www.acrelectronics.com/alerts/leap.htm
>
> Even more remarkably, they proudly proclaim:
>
> "The quality systems of this facility have been registered by UL to
> the ISO 9000 Series Standards."
>
> So we have a company that manufact
Rob Seaman wrote:
I don't know whether to be more embarrassed for the company or for
the international standards process. How many companies claim ISO
9000 conformance? If they don't comprehend the requirements of
international standards pertaining to their products, how likely is
it that they
On Dec 6, 2005, at 3:27 PM, Steve Allen wrote:Finally we begin to see folks stand up and identify their systems as having abysmally failed to implement the UTC standard. http://www.acrelectronics.com/alerts/leap.htmEven more remarkably, they proudly proclaim: "The quality systems of this fa
Francois Meyer wrote:
I hardly understand how it is reasonably possible to use a
GPS-derived UTC without taking into account the leap second
information from the GPS navigation message.
Unless the unit gets the UTC-GPS offset from the receiver
just once at hardboot time and then forget abou
On Tue, 6 Dec 2005, Steve Allen wrote:
> Finally we begin to see folks stand up and identify their systems
> as having abysmally failed to implement the UTC standard.
>
> http://www.acrelectronics.com/alerts/leap.htm
>
> In particular, see their technical bulletin
> http://www.acrelectronics.com/a
Finally we begin to see folks stand up and identify their systems
as having abysmally failed to implement the UTC standard.
http://www.acrelectronics.com/alerts/leap.htm
In particular, see their technical bulletin
http://www.acrelectronics.com/alerts/Technical%20Bulletin%202005-12%20_Leap-Second_
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