On 20 January 2012 13:56, Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com wrote:
Ps. Did anyone know that our own Mr Dingle is a renowned scientist? Just
saw he won another prize for one of his books.
Not that renowned. He isn't on Wikipedia.
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increasingly shabby and the business would
collapse.
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From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
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Sent: 19 January 2012 21:23
To: Paul Cundell
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Wow. I
boxes, is another
matter entirely.
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From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
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Sent: 19 January 2012 21:36
To: DAVID NATTAN
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He's not confused
'; 'Paul Cundell'
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You guys need to understand what supernormal profits mean;
http://economicsonline.co.uk/Business_economics/Profits.html
I would expect that with football club subsidiaries they would expect
Of Paul Cundell
Sent: 20 January 2012 12:39
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Nope, sorry - Super-normal Profits are profits made under 'not normal'
circumstances, they are profits that one can't imagine being sustained for a
long period hence they are super-normal
Did everyone catch the below? It means that you DO NOT need to retain ANY
profits in a business for it to continue to operate effectively and
profitably.
The purpose of a business (usually) is to make money for the owners, and
that money comes from distributing the profits or by selling the
In England there are 20 clubs with massively bigger income streams than us,
approximately 5/6 clubs with significantly bigger income streams than us,
and in any given year another 3 or 4 or 5 clubs with bigger income streams
for that particular year(*). Whatever the faults or qualities of a Bates
Ah, some financial sense on the List, a rare treat.
After a poor start, SG has actually been making this mid-table squad
overperform. We have been close or in the playoff places for most of the
season, and thus we HAVE been overperforming compared to our financial
position.
SG is NOT the
Completely agree. I don't know how/why people seem to think that a
team costing £650k should be out performing teams that have spent 10x
that. Yes we have some good younsters in the squad, but the fact that
Grayson has managed to get a team largely of freebies and loanees to
within touching
Oh bugger. Damien's wonderful logic says there are 30 clubs financially
better off than us, and I supoported that view and stated that we were
overachieving. Damien's logic means we should be 11th in the Championship.
And we are. 11th.
Don't you just HATE it when that happens?
A wonderful
Grayson is not the problem. How much has the club spent on radio stations and
refurbing executive boxes etc? The pavilion? Billys? Howards? Lee Dixon let
slip on footy focus that Grayson has said 7 million pounds has been spent on
the refurb. 7 million pounds that, spent effectively on the
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From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
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Sent: 19 January 2012 10:27
To: Lee Jones
Cc: Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 19, Issue 50
7 million pounds that, spent effectively on the team, would have achieved
And, as Chelsea are showing, hotels don't seem to make football clubs
money, even when the club IS successful.
Bums on seats, overseas fans, merchandise - that's where the money is - and
the only way to get those is success on the field.
On 19 January 2012 10:47, Ian Murray
Ah well - console ourselves that were not underperforming at least ;)
Damian
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Alec McQueen alec...@gmail.com wrote:
Oh bugger. Damien's wonderful logic says there are 30 clubs financially
better off than us, and I supoported that view and stated that we were
Howards? Lee Dixon let slip on footy focus that Grayson has said 7
million pounds has been spent on the refurb. 7 million pounds that,
spent effectively on the team, would have achieved promotion to the PL
and all it's associated tv cash.
Yes, because it really is a simple as that - ask
Howards? Lee Dixon let slip on footy focus that Grayson has said 7
million pounds has been spent on the refurb. 7 million pounds that,
spent effectively on the team, would have achieved promotion to the PL
and all it's associated tv cash.
Yes, because it really is a simple as that - ask
To be fair the MS stated that principle clearly and unashamedly.
Reminds me of the same prurient puritanical bullshit managerial spirit of my
previous place of employ.
As part of a managerial team we were asked how best to make our health provider
more profitable. I suggested to make a
That's right Mark, I pay my season ticket money to go and watch a banqueting
suite.
Au contraire, it's you who doesn't understand business. The truly great
businesses focus on their core product (in our case - FOOTBALL). Shit
businesses diversify and fail because they don't know what they are
ok the point that is made is fair enough...but Leeds Utd is supposed to be
a football club built around a football team...the success of that team
attracts other, secondary investment and interest...the team comes first.
The club's statement said that it was sorry that this story had become
Finally, some sense.
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On 19 Jan 2012, at 13:16, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk n...@6haroldplace.co.uk
wrote:
ok the point that is made is fair enough...but Leeds Utd is supposed to be
a football club built around a football team...the success of that team
attracts other,
, Vol 19, Issue 50
And, as Chelsea are showing, hotels don't seem to make football clubs
money, even when the club IS successful.
Bums on seats, overseas fans, merchandise - that's where the money is - and
the only way to get those is success on the field.
On 19 January 2012 10:47, Ian Murray
They've royally fucked me off by failing to sort Howson's contract out in
the year or so that it sounds like the discussions have been on-going...I
don't think it only speaks about the wages on offer at Leeds (although as
we are allegedly now in a financially sound state, one would have to
Now, I am sure that Bursa will say something Ridsdale related at this
point (which is just lazy). I am not and never have advocated that sort of
spending.
You advocated spending up to the maximum permissible by Football League
rules.
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In other words - it wasn't the first place you'd go for any of the above
and why it failed.
So nothing to do with the legacy overheads of hundreds of high street
stores when your rivals are all out of town, with cheaper rents, where the
customers are?
If only everything was as
Bad argument, I think that Tescos have just issued a profit warning because
of their diversification ;)
However you could say that Woolworths were a successful business for 150+
years (I think). That easily beats all the incarnations of Leeds football
club put together. Indeed we'd probably all
Is that Ridsdale spending? You're as bad as bates, using the ridsdale era as
some sort of bogeyman to keep everyone on side.
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On 19 Jan 2012, at 13:51, markbu...@aol.com wrote:
Now, I am sure that Bursa will say something Ridsdale related at this
point (which is just
I don't know... but I thought I'd seen news that CFC are trying to offload
the hotel, etc. because it doesn't generate enough money.
Maybe I'm wrong?
On 19 January 2012 13:29, Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com wrote:
Just out of interest, and in no way denying you are right, how do you know
the
Woolworths was NOT a diverse business. It was a retailer that sold a diverse
range of products under one roof. A diverse business would include a range of
different (possibly) unrelated services, for example, a holding company that
has a portfolio of engineering, retail, financial and
For my sins I actually stayed there once. Pretty poxy.
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To: Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com
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Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 9:11 AM
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Fifty hail Marys and a wash down in bleach for you mate!
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On 19 Jan 2012, at 14:27, Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com wrote:
For my sins I actually stayed there once. Pretty poxy.
From: Jim
[mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
Behalf Of Ian Murray
Sent: 19 January 2012 13:25
To: Chris Briggs
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
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Maybe bad example, but I disagree with you entirely. Woolworths was diverse
- what did it sell:-
Clothes - better in MnS
Music
We will never agree on this. You never answered my question? Is it
because it's a no Mark?
No I don't have a season ticket, because I can't afford a 600-mile round
trip 23 times a season. And I'm not going to get into real fan pissing
contests with you, which I expect is coming next.
[mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
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Sent: 19 January 2012 13:25
To: Chris Briggs
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 19, Issue 50
Maybe bad example, but I disagree with you entirely. Woolworths was diverse
- what did it sell:-
Clothes
Nothing to do with diversifying.. unless you are going to tell us all
what
core business it had which it neglected?
Towards the end, the Raspberry Ruffles had gone downhill something rotten.
;-)
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Sent: 19 January 2012 14:20
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People go to tesco to buy food. It is a food retailer and the best at what
it does. Its success as a food retailer has enabled it to diversify and sell
It's not your money then, is it?
How can you not afford it? I would have thought a business savvy entrepreneur
like you would have it covered and then some! B-)
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On 19 Jan 2012, at 14:59, markbu...@aol.com wrote:
We will never agree on this. You never answered my
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[mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Ian Murray
Sent: 19 January 2012 13:25
To: Chris Briggs
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 19, Issue 50
Maybe bad example, but I disagree with you entirely. Woolworths was
diverse
- what did it sell
: 19 January 2012 15:06
To: Mark Humphries
Cc: Chris Briggs; leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 19, Issue 50
My point was (and remains) that it was not your first port of call for any
of the stuff it sold. It didn't know what sort of business it was. Big
To: Mark Humphries
Cc: Chris Briggs; leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 19, Issue 50
My point was (and remains) that it was not your first port of call for any
of the stuff it sold. It didn't know what sort of business it was. Big
contributing factor to it ultimately
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My point was (and remains) that it was not your first port of call for any
of the stuff it sold. It didn't know what sort of business it was. Big
contributing factor to it ultimately failing.
Sent
Arguing about why Woollies went bust may be entertaining (at least for a couple
of you) BUT there is a big difference between supermarkets and football clubs -
and that is the fans
You may prefer one supermarket to another but if your preferred one stops doing
what you like it for, then you
Agreed.
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On 19 Jan 2012, at 17:04, DAVID NATTAN david.nat...@btinternet.com wrote:
Arguing about why Woollies went bust may be entertaining (at least for a
couple of you) BUT there is a big difference between supermarkets and
football clubs - and that is the fans
You
Humphries
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My point was (and remains) that it was not your first port of call for any
of the stuff it sold. It didn't know what sort of business it was. Big
contributing factor to it ultimately failing
:49 -0800
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CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
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Woolies was always first for shoplifting
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- but what is clear is that any profits that these 'subsidiaries' bring in
MUST be spent on our core business which is Leeds United Football Club
NATTAN; list leedslist
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Key word - generally. This is not a common or garden business. It is a
football club.
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On 19 Jan 2012, at 18:49, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk
wrote:
Disagreed I am afraid
I suspect you are in a very small minority with this view Mark,
As far as I and I think most other fans think , the Leeds United subsidiaries -
Billys Bar, Howards Way, Yorkshire Radio etc etc are not real businesses in
their own right. They exist purely and simply to raise funds for Leeds
the season. The business
model is not to expand beyond Elland Rd I dont think?
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Sent: 19 January 2012 20:21
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Jeremy...proper South Londoner.
And we're not f*cking cockneys.
SW14
From: Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com
To: Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 1:02 PM
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Oh I don't
Mark H wrote:
Dave, there is a distinction between primarily match day activities (like
the bars etc), and the conference centre for example. The former need to
make a profit but would, I expect, go into the match day takings pot.
The
conference centre is non-match day and should remain
in the hotel, pubs, restaurant, radio station and not
the football club ?
Dave--- On Thu, 19/1/12, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
From: Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk
Subject: RE: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 19, Issue 50
To: 'DAVID NATTAN' david.nat
Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk
wrote:
From: Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk
Subject: RE: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 19, Issue 50
To: 'DAVID NATTAN' david.nat...@btinternet.com, 'list leedslist'
leedslist@gn.apc.org
Date: Thursday, 19 January, 2012, 20:35
Dave
me too Jeremy
SW19…and proud, but still a Leeds United fan, always have been, always will be
till I die
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East Sheen Posse
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me too Jeremy
SW19…and proud
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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 23:35:41 +
To: jeremyadam...@hotmail.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org
me too Jeremy
SW19…and proud, but still a Leeds United fan, always have been, always will
be till I die
Seem to remember Cundell getting his frilly little nickers in a twist when I
was complaining about our failure to pay market rate in the Summer (re Johnson;
Kilkenny). CBA looking at the digest but imagine some of his 'intelligent
musings' would look quite interesting in the context of today's
Seem to remember Cundell getting his frilly little nickers in a twist when I
was complaining about our failure to pay market rate in the Summer (re
Johnson; Kilkenny).
This is true, we can all make mistakes, like when your dad forgot to withdraw.
I wouldn't class losing Johnson or Kilkenny
Sharp as ever, brains.
Glad to see you're not letting your education get in the way of your ignorance.
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Seem to remember Cundell getting his frilly little nickers in a twist
when I was complaining about our failure to pay market rate in the Summer (re
Johnson; Kilkenny). CBA looking at the digest but imagine some of his
'intelligent musings' would look quite interesting in the context of
I agree with a lot of what you said Mark but I think the fact that Kilkenny got
a better offer from Bristol Bloody City shows that we're nowhere near the
financial suicide end of the spectrum. We can't even match a lower Championship
team for wages yet we have one of the biggest gate revenues.
agree with both of you.
apologies if I did not offend you which is flavour of the week it seems...
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On 19 Jan 2012, at 13:13, Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com wrote:
I agree with a lot of what you said Mark but I think the fact that Kilkenny
got a better offer
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Ian, I remember your concept of market rate equated to top dollar.
Paying every two-bob journeyman a premiership salary in the hope they'll
somehow gel as a team and achieve promotion. In other words, the financial
policies that caused this mess in the first
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