Re: [liberationtech] AdLeaks - a whistleblowing platform

2013-06-24 Thread Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
Il 6/23/13 2:53 PM, Jens Christian Hillerup ha scritto: Quickly noting that I'm not affiliated with AdLeaks, just passing on the information. On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Andrea St and...@gmail.com mailto:and...@gmail.com wrote: it sounds different from globaleaks project. Am i

[liberationtech] Spiegel Online (Germany): The Public Must Fight for its Right to Privacy

2013-06-24 Thread fukami
Hi, just to share an English text from one of the biggest news sites in Germany, which makes some very clear, simple and strong statements: Global Surveillance: The Public Must Fight for its Right to Privacy

[liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

2013-06-24 Thread Douwe Schmidt
Dear LibTech Readers, In a little bit over a month OHM2013 is happening in The Netherlands. There has been a lot of controversy in the run-up to this gathering. There was criticism of the involvement of tech security company Fox-IT, then there was a heated debate on the presence of Dutch

Re: [liberationtech] Censorship circumvention and ticket inspectors

2013-06-24 Thread Nathan of Guardian
On 06/22/2013 08:40 AM, Walid AL-SAQAF wrote: I have been asked to explain how four mechanisms of censorship circumvention work using some sort of analogy that any layman could understand. I proposed the analogy of surfing the Internet as traveling and firewalls as ticket inspectors checking

[liberationtech] Cryptocat: Adopting Accessibility and Ease of Use as Security Properties

2013-06-24 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
Today, with Cryptocat nearing 65,000 regular users, the Cryptocat project releases “Cryptocat: Adopting Accessibility and Ease of Use as Security Properties,” a working draft which brings together the past year of Cryptocat research and development. We document the challenges we have faced,

Re: [liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

2013-06-24 Thread Eleanor Saitta
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2013.06.24 07.19, Douwe Schmidt wrote: Dear LibTech Readers, In a little bit over a month OHM2013 is happening in The Netherlands. There has been a lot of controversy in the run-up to this gathering. There was criticism of the involvement

Re: [liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

2013-06-24 Thread phryk
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:52:01 -0400 Eleanor Saitta e...@dymaxion.org wrote: A lot of people are asking me to change my mind on attending, and it sounds like you guys are going to have a lot of fun, but I'm finding myself pretty unmotivated to change my mind given that much of the organizing

Re: [liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

2013-06-24 Thread micah
Eleanor Saitta e...@dymaxion.org writes: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2013.06.24 07.19, Douwe Schmidt wrote: Dear LibTech Readers, In a little bit over a month OHM2013 is happening in The Netherlands. There has been a lot of controversy in the run-up to this

Re: [liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

2013-06-24 Thread Jurre andmore
I'm one of the noisysquare organizers, I replied inline. 2013/6/24 phryk in...@phryk.net On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:52:01 -0400 Eleanor Saitta e...@dymaxion.org wrote: A lot of people are asking me to change my mind on attending, and it sounds like you guys are going to have a lot of fun, but

Re: [liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

2013-06-24 Thread phryk
After much discussion on the OHM mailinglist and social media storms, the police backed of and decided not to have a village. Instead, like all the previous conferences before, they will be undercover! Just like CCCamp, EMFcamp and all the other hacker conferences. At least we can play spot

Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!

2013-06-24 Thread Brian Conley
Hi Jacob, This is great news, do you know when the new version available for download on torproject.org? Also, I'm not sure how I know whether I'm running 32 or 64 bit OSX 10.6, since it doesn't tell me in the About this Mac. While I can certainly figure that out, I'm not sure how many users

Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!

2013-06-24 Thread Dragana Kaurin
On 06/24/2013 02:53 PM, Brian Conley wrote: Hi Jacob, This is great news, do you know when the new version available for download on torproject.org http://torproject.org? Also, I'm not sure how I know whether I'm running 32 or 64 bit OSX 10.6, since it doesn't tell me in the About this Mac.

Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!

2013-06-24 Thread Brian Conley
Thanks Dragana, But wouldn't that mean there is no new browser bundle for recent macs as only 32 is specified at Jacob's link? Brian On Jun 24, 2013 3:18 PM, Dragana Kaurin kau...@openitp.org wrote: On 06/24/2013 02:53 PM, Brian Conley wrote: Hi Jacob, This is great news, do you know

Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!

2013-06-24 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Brian Conley: Thanks Dragana, But wouldn't that mean there is no new browser bundle for recent macs as only 32 is specified at Jacob's link? Hi Brian, So a few things - one is that if you go into About this mac you should see a system profiler link or a details button of some sort. This

Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!

2013-06-24 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
On 2013-06-24, at 3:43 PM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Brian Conley: Thanks Dragana, But wouldn't that mean there is no new browser bundle for recent macs as only 32 is specified at Jacob's link? Hi Brian, So a few things - one is that if you go into About this mac you

Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!

2013-06-24 Thread Jillian C. York
Minor piece of feedback: Why StartPage as default search engine? They employ safe search by default. On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote: On 2013-06-24, at 3:43 PM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Brian Conley: Thanks Dragana, But

Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!

2013-06-24 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Jillian C. York: Minor piece of feedback: Why StartPage as default search engine? They employ safe search by default. That is a good question - I think it is open to discussion. Generally speaking, I think that a censorship free search engine that requires no cookies, no javascript, no

Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!

2013-06-24 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Michael Carbone: DuckDuckGo seems to work well with Tor and without javascript/cookies/etc. They also run it as a hidden service so you can keep your search in the Tor cloud -- I don't know of other search engines that do that: 3g2upl4pq6kufc4m.onion I generally feel friendly to DuckDuckGo.

Re: [liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

2013-06-24 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
micah: Eleanor Saitta e...@dymaxion.org writes: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2013.06.24 07.19, Douwe Schmidt wrote: Dear LibTech Readers, In a little bit over a month OHM2013 is happening in The Netherlands. There has been a lot of controversy in the run-up to

Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!

2013-06-24 Thread Nick
Quoth Jacob Appelbaum: I wonder how it performs for search between https://duckduckgo.com/ and http://3g2upl4pq6kufc4m.onion - has anyone performed any queries and computed information about time to connect, delays in searching, etc? Some kind analysis would be useful. Especially if we compare

Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!

2013-06-24 Thread Jillian C. York
I prefer DuckDuckGo as well - although the other option is convincing StartPage to be less censorious... On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Cooper Quintin coo...@radicaldesigns.orgwrote: The default engine was Google for a while until Mike Perry and I changed it. We chose StartPage over DDG

Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!

2013-06-24 Thread Cooper Quintin
Start page also allows you to generate a url that has certain settings, for example this one ( https://startpage.com/do/mypage.pl?prf=c2a9ee9b20d61e980b6f6cce7026bc91 )has safe search turned off and no caching for video and image search results turned on. It could be useful to put something like

Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!

2013-06-24 Thread Cooper Quintin
Jillian, It is also worth noting that DDG has safe search enabled by default as well. Cooper Quintin Technology Director radicalDESIGNS PGP Key ID: 75FB 9347 FA4B 22A0 5068 080B D0EA 7B6F F0AF E2CA On 06/24/2013 02:26 PM, Jillian C. York wrote: I prefer DuckDuckGo as well - although the other

Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!

2013-06-24 Thread Jillian C. York
+1 On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Cooper Quintin coo...@radicaldesigns.orgwrote: Start page also allows you to generate a url that has certain settings, for example this one ( https://startpage.com/do/mypage.pl?prf=c2a9ee9b20d61e980b6f6cce7026bc91 )has safe search turned off and no

Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!

2013-06-24 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Jillian C. York: +1 On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Cooper Quintin coo...@radicaldesigns.orgwrote: Start page also allows you to generate a url that has certain settings, for example this one ( https://startpage.com/do/mypage.pl?prf=c2a9ee9b20d61e980b6f6cce7026bc91 )has safe search

Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!

2013-06-24 Thread Mike Perry
Cooper Quintin: The default engine was Google for a while until Mike Perry and I changed it. We chose StartPage over DDG because while both being privacy aware, start page had more relevant search results. However these days I personally find that DDG's results are often more relevant than

Re: [liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

2013-06-24 Thread Griffin Boyce
Not only am I going to be presenting three talks at OHM, I will be presenting talks that are (in many ways) totally dead conversations in the US. It's interesting how much of the debate centers around the presence of police at OHM, as if American hacker cons didn't have the head of the NSA

Re: [liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

2013-06-24 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Griffin Boyce: Not only am I going to be presenting three talks at OHM, I will be presenting talks that are (in many ways) totally dead conversations in the US. Congratulations. I look forward to seeing them, probably on a remote stream but also perhaps in person. It's interesting how

Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!

2013-06-24 Thread Mike Perry
Jacob Appelbaum: Jillian C. York: +1 On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Cooper Quintin coo...@radicaldesigns.orgwrote: Start page also allows you to generate a url that has certain settings, for example this one (

Re: [liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

2013-06-24 Thread phryk
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:17:16 + Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: This is a false dichotomy of an argument if ever I've heard one. I keep hearing it too. It bums me out to no end. I understand that removing ourselves from specific discussions removes our voices from those

Re: [liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

2013-06-24 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
phryk: On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:17:16 + Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: This is a false dichotomy of an argument if ever I've heard one. I keep hearing it too. It bums me out to no end. I understand that removing ourselves from specific discussions removes our voices from

Re: [liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

2013-06-24 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
On 2013-06-24, at 6:23 PM, Griffin Boyce griffinbo...@gmail.com wrote: Not only am I going to be presenting three talks at OHM, I will be presenting talks that are (in many ways) totally dead conversations in the US. It's interesting how much of the debate centers around the

Re: [liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

2013-06-24 Thread phryk
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 23:02:00 + Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: The 30th CCC Congress is likely to be such a space. Alternatively, we could create a new space that talks about the issues at hand. Works for me. The only thought I'd have about that is if the timeframe is okay; But

Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!

2013-06-24 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
I'd just like to add that I'm a DuckDuckGo user myself and that I can definitely vouch for the service. NK On 2013-06-24, at 6:50 PM, Mike Perry mikepe...@torproject.org wrote: Jacob Appelbaum: Jillian C. York: +1 On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Cooper Quintin

Re: [liberationtech] Help test the new Tor Browser!

2013-06-24 Thread Mike Perry
Mike Perry: Jacob Appelbaum: Jillian C. York: +1 On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Cooper Quintin coo...@radicaldesigns.orgwrote: Start page also allows you to generate a url that has certain settings, for example this one (

Re: [liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

2013-06-24 Thread Jurre andmore
Sorry, but why would 30c3 be this place and not any other venue in the world? Without context this sounds silly. 2013/6/25 Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net phryk: On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:17:16 + Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: This is a false dichotomy of an argument if

Re: [liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

2013-06-24 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Nadim Kobeissi: On 2013-06-24, at 6:23 PM, Griffin Boyce griffinbo...@gmail.com wrote: Not only am I going to be presenting three talks at OHM, I will be presenting talks that are (in many ways) totally dead conversations in the US. It's interesting how much of the debate centers

Re: [liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

2013-06-24 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Jurre andmore: Sorry, but why would 30c3 be this place and not any other venue in the world? Without context this sounds silly. It was merely a suggestion and it is hardly without context. Any event or space that is willing to create an explicitly safe space for an open dialog is probably in

Re: [liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

2013-06-24 Thread Jurre andmore
I wish we all spoke out against the police being present 20 years ago and not in 2013. 2013/6/25 Jillian C. York jilliancy...@gmail.com On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.netwrote: Nadim Kobeissi: On 2013-06-24, at 6:23 PM, Griffin Boyce

Re: [liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

2013-06-24 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Jurre andmore: I wish we all spoke out against the police being present 20 years ago and not in 2013. Actually, I think a lot of old-school Dutch hackers did just that - especially against the undercover cops who infiltrated the scene. This was documented in the hacking zines of that era. In

Re: [liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

2013-06-24 Thread hellekin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 06/24/2013 08:39 PM, Jurre andmore wrote: I don't see how this stands-up. Next to that, the AIVD/MIVD hasn't deployed a nationwide eavesdropping setup for internet unlike the Swedes, Germans and Americans. *** Does anyone remember the low

Re: [liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

2013-06-24 Thread hellekin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 06/24/2013 09:06 PM, Jurre andmore wrote: They are ramping such a system up but it isn't in place yet, remember, they are firing 600 people in the following years. *** I guess you mean: outsourcing to the private sector. == hk -BEGIN

Re: [liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

2013-06-24 Thread Jurre andmore
2013/6/25 Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net Jurre andmore: I wish we all spoke out against the police being present 20 years ago and not in 2013. Actually, I think a lot of old-school Dutch hackers did just that - especially against the undercover cops who infiltrated the scene. This

[liberationtech] DuckDuckGo vs Startpage [was: Help test Tor Browser]

2013-06-24 Thread Mike Perry
Nadim Kobeissi: I'd just like to add that I'm a DuckDuckGo user myself and that I can definitely vouch for the service. I've had a number of people tell me that they vouch for DuckDuckGo. What does this even mean? Nobody seems to be capable of rationally explaining it. Have you inspected their

Re: [liberationtech] DuckDuckGo vs Startpage [was: Help test Tor Browser]

2013-06-24 Thread Daniel Sieradski
Has there ever been any effort to create an open source search engine that is entirely transparent in both its software and practices? (dmoz.org doesn't count!) -- Daniel Sieradski d...@danielsieradski.com http://danielsieradski.com 315.889.1444 Follow me at http://twitter.com/selfagency

Re: [liberationtech] DuckDuckGo vs Startpage [was: Help test Tor Browser]

2013-06-24 Thread Michael Carbone
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/24/2013 08:20 PM, Mike Perry wrote: I've had a number of people tell me that they vouch for DuckDuckGo. What does this even mean? Nobody seems to be capable of rationally explaining it. Have you inspected their datacenter/server security?

Re: [liberationtech] DuckDuckGo vs Startpage [was: Help test Tor Browser]

2013-06-24 Thread Mike Perry
Michael Carbone: On 06/24/2013 08:20 PM, Mike Perry wrote: I've had a number of people tell me that they vouch for DuckDuckGo. What does this even mean? Nobody seems to be capable of rationally explaining it. Have you inspected their datacenter/server security? Have you audited their

Re: [liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

2013-06-24 Thread micah
Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net writes: micah: Eleanor Saitta e...@dymaxion.org writes: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2013.06.24 07.19, Douwe Schmidt wrote: Dear LibTech Readers, In a little bit over a month OHM2013 is happening in The Netherlands. There has

Re: [liberationtech] DuckDuckGo vs Startpage [was: Help test Tor Browser]

2013-06-24 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
On 2013-06-24, at 8:20 PM, Mike Perry mikepe...@torproject.org wrote: Nadim Kobeissi: I'd just like to add that I'm a DuckDuckGo user myself and that I can definitely vouch for the service. I've had a number of people tell me that they vouch for DuckDuckGo. What does this even mean?

Re: [liberationtech] DuckDuckGo vs Startpage [was: Help test Tor Browser]

2013-06-24 Thread Michael Carbone
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/24/2013 10:00 PM, Mike Perry wrote: Michael Carbone: On 06/24/2013 08:20 PM, Mike Perry wrote: I've had a number of people tell me that they vouch for DuckDuckGo. What does this even mean? Nobody seems to be capable of rationally explaining