Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
Forgive me, but I'd like to ask a question here. Tor is a tool that is undeniably, directly marketed toward activists in high-risk environments. Tor's presentations at conferences centre around how Tor obtains increased usage in Arab Spring countries that matches the timeline of revolutionary

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread Albert López
Maybe because of the difficulty on finding those vulnerabilities to exploit the system. Being bulletproof against everything, as we know, is impossible, therefore if you notice that the government (with a huge amount of resources) have found a vulnerability in your software you can accept

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread Georg Koppen
On 05.08.2013 10:15, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: Now, we find out that the FBI has been sitting on an exploit since an unknown amount of time that can compromise the Tor Browser Bundle is that really so? See: https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2013/08/04/investigating-security-vulnerability-report/

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
On 2013-08-05, at 10:46 AM, Georg Koppen g.kop...@jondos.de wrote: On 05.08.2013 10:15, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: Now, we find out that the FBI has been sitting on an exploit since an unknown amount of time that can compromise the Tor Browser Bundle is that really so? See:

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Mon, Aug 05, 2013 at 10:46:35AM +0200, Georg Koppen wrote: On 05.08.2013 10:15, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: Now, we find out that the FBI has been sitting on an exploit since an unknown amount of time that can compromise the Tor Browser Bundle is that really so? See:

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread Albert López
BTW (same comment in two pages :P): The vulnerability being exploited by this attack was fixed in Firefox 22 and Firefox ESR 17.0.7. The vulnerability used is MFSA 2013-53People who are on the latest supported versions of Firefox are not at risk.Although the vulnerability affects users of

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread Michael Owen
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote: Hmm. So it's more of a 38-day. Perhaps there should have been a Tor Browser security advisory in that case. I'm not sure how long the Tor bundle goes without actively complaining to the user about things being out of date.

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
On 2013-08-05, at 11:04 AM, Michael Owen mich...@theramparts.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote: Hmm. So it's more of a 38-day. Perhaps there should have been a Tor Browser security advisory in that case. I'm not sure how long the Tor bundle

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread Jason Gulledge
The fog of OHM hasn't yet lifted for me, so I'm sorry if I'm not entirely poetic in thought… Before people jump in and say the tor network is inherently flawed! I just want to try to put it in perspective. As I understand it, an .onion got owned, probably by some poorly written or installed

[liberationtech] Advice: recruiting participants for usability tests

2013-08-05 Thread Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I'd like to ask advice of people working in human rights, civil rights, investigative journalism communities. I am doing my MSc in human-computer interaction, focusing on mobile Privacy Enhancing Technology tools, a lot of which are discussed

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread liberationtech
On Mon, 5 Aug 2013 10:15:20 +0200 Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote: Now, we find out that the FBI has been sitting on an exploit since an unknown amount of time that can compromise the Tor Browser Bundle, which is currently the main way to download Tor and the only way to download Tor for

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread liberationtech
On Mon, 5 Aug 2013 10:04:02 +0100 Michael Owen mich...@theramparts.com wrote: I'm not sure how long the Tor bundle goes without actively complaining to the user about things being out of date. TBB notifies the user within an hour of releasing the new version. The hour lag is because our

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread Andy Isaacson
On Mon, Aug 05, 2013 at 09:19:01AM -0400, liberationt...@lewman.us wrote: Please cite first person sources on this. It's not clear the FBI did anything or is involved at all. There is a reddit thread implying this, but no statement (as of yet) from the FBI or anyone claiming responsibility for

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread Georg Koppen
On 05.08.2013 10:15, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: Now, we find out that the FBI has been sitting on an exploit since an unknown amount of time that can compromise the Tor Browser Bundle is that really so? See: https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2013/08/04/investigating-security-vulnerability-report/

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
On 2013-08-05, at 4:19 PM, liberationt...@lewman.us wrote: On Mon, 5 Aug 2013 10:15:20 +0200 Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote: Now, we find out that the FBI has been sitting on an exploit since an unknown amount of time that can compromise the Tor Browser Bundle, which is currently the

[liberationtech] Sudan Flood (Urgent)

2013-08-05 Thread Yosem Companys
From: mhssuli...@yahoo.com mhssuli...@yahoo.com Hi everyone! We're having a crisis situation here in Khartoum, heavy rains that turned into floods, houses falling, areas drawning and the latest update 3 kids drawned! I made a map for people to put reports about the situation, trying to plug a

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Mon, Aug 05, 2013 at 04:54:00AM -0400, Roger Dingledine wrote: Specifically, it would appear that the TBB updates we put out on June 26 addressed this vulnerability: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-announce/2013-August/89.html has some more details now. Or see

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread Claudio
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/05/2013 05:00 PM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: On 2013-08-05, at 4:19 PM, liberationt...@lewman.us wrote: On Mon, 5 Aug 2013 10:15:20 +0200 Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote: Now, we find out that the FBI has been sitting on an exploit

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
Il 8/4/13 10:31 PM, liberationt...@lewman.us ha scritto: Tor's official response is here, https://blog.torproject.org/blog/hidden-services-current-events-and-freedom-hosting After a quick check at a random Tor2web server, it seems that there's no specific pattern of traffic-drop. Who knows,

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
On 2013-08-05, at 6:38 PM, Roger Dingledine a...@mit.edu wrote: On Mon, Aug 05, 2013 at 04:54:00AM -0400, Roger Dingledine wrote: Specifically, it would appear that the TBB updates we put out on June 26 addressed this vulnerability:

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread Griffin Boyce
Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) li...@infosecurity.ch wrote: After a quick check at a random Tor2web server, it seems that there's no specific pattern of traffic-drop. Who knows, maybe the amount of TorHS that has been takendown are just a few. Yeah, it seems like people are vastly

[liberationtech] SF Outreach + collab with OG

2013-08-05 Thread Yosem Companys
From: Paige veeforvolunt...@gmail.com Hey y'all! Just a quick intro: I'm the Community Manager at Open Garden, a company making a mesh networking app for Android based in SF. I'm also a decentralization enthusiast and liberty activist. I'm interested in discussing potential collaborations

Re: [liberationtech] CJDNS hype

2013-08-05 Thread Michael Rogers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Caleb, On 03/08/13 01:33, Caleb James DeLisle wrote: We could spend a long time discussing locally effective attacks on social networks and not be any closer to agreement. Instead I think it's worth asking who your attacker is... I find that

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread h0ost
Mozilla posted the advisory on June 25th. https://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2013/mfsa2013-53.html and a TBB update was provided 5 days later: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-browser-bundle-30alpha2-released - and uses a version of FF that the advisory says fixes the issue. So

Re: [liberationtech] CJDNS hype

2013-08-05 Thread Caleb James DeLisle
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, On 08/05/2013 01:26 PM, Michael Rogers wrote: Hi Caleb, On 03/08/13 01:33, Caleb James DeLisle wrote: We could spend a long time discussing locally effective attacks on social networks and not be any closer to agreement. Instead I

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Firstly: this is not a anti-Tor/pro-anything/anti-developer comment. If anything it's pro-have_some_understanding_for_people point-of-view. I contribute to Tor as I believe it can do a lot of good. As I understand it, the issue was: a compromise

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread Doug Chamberlin
Nadim certainly has a point about the disparity between how his efforts were received and the overall level of respect/support Tor receives. Hopefully, he will continue on and when his software accumulates the track record that Tor has he will be suitably rewarded. He certainly writes recently

[liberationtech] Freedom House / Tor Hidden Service compromise traced to SAIC/NSA

2013-08-05 Thread Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Is this true? http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/08/researchers-say-tor-targeted-malware-phoned-home-to-nsa/ Initial investigations traced the address to defense contractor SAIC, which provides a wide range of information technology and C4ISR

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread Griffin Boyce
Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb ei8...@ei8fdb.org wrote: By what Roger Dingledine from Tor has stated in a previous mail, The Tor Project provided the you need to upgrade message promptly. I don't know if that is enough. (But it is certainly a lot more that other providers of software would do.) I

Re: [liberationtech] Your definition of social spam - Research

2013-08-05 Thread Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
Il 8/5/13 1:15 PM, Andrea St ha scritto: Hello Liberationtech friends, after the last research on Twitter (bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/05/fake-twitter-followers-becomes-multimillion-dollar-business/), i'm doing a new about Facebook. What is your definition of social spam on Facebook? If

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread Al Billings
You realize Tor didn't know this vuln was an issue until two days ago? The Tor Browser Bundle is based off of Firefox ESR releases. All the high profile security issues fixed are listed on the Firefox ESR known vulnerabilities web page. You want them to copy that page for you? Al -- Al

[liberationtech] AfriAsk.com

2013-08-05 Thread Timmy Agboola
In these times of strife and mass insecurity in Nigeria, worsened by gross mismanagement of our resources and arrant neglect of the Nigerian youths by the powers that be, the best thing that can ever happen to us is a place where we can “hang out” together and decide our own destiny by ourselves.

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 5 Aug 2013, at 21:08, Al Billings wrote: You realize Tor didn't know this vuln was an issue until two days ago? I presume thats directed at Griffin. The Tor Browser Bundle is based off of Firefox ESR releases. All the high profile security

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread Al Billings
Why should they? Just make sure you're running the most recently released version. -- Al Billings http://makehacklearn.org On Monday, August 5, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb wrote: The Tor Browser Bundle is based off of Firefox ESR releases. All the high profile security

[liberationtech] Join us for FreedomHack this weekend in DC

2013-08-05 Thread Shauna Dillavou
Hi folks, Following up on Kirby Plessas's email, we're hosting FreedomHack this weekend at DC's 1776 incubator. We're connecting hackers, activists, and journalists to build tools to help folks in Mexico safely get their stories out to the world. But we're not stopping there - Dlshad Othman,

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread Griffin Boyce
Al, We may have to disagree as to the way forward. I hate to be contentious, but it seems unlikely that Tor applied a patch without reading firefox's changelog. Two days ago I presented a talk which emphasized how useful Tor is -- and I stand by that. Tor is still the best option for maintaining

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread Al Billings
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here exactly. Tor doesn't apply a patch to TBB, AFAIK. They build on top of Firefox ESR. The current Firefox ESR17 (and the current TBB) have the bug fixed that everyone is talking about. If you're current, you're safe. So, then the problem becomes: why

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread R. Jason Cronk
Does anybody have any indication on how the alleged operator of Freedom Hosting was identified. Everybody seems to be focusing on the javascript exploit but from what I've read, it appears that was placed on the server after the alleged operator was taken down and the operation compromised, or

Re: [liberationtech] real Democracy in the Information age...

2013-08-05 Thread Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
Well, we have a quick peek at that surveillance state now for a while: it's called Big Data. So, what else is new? Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (817) 271-9619 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Peter Lindener lindener.pe...@gmail.com

Re: [liberationtech] real Democracy in the Information age...

2013-08-05 Thread hc voigt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 yeah, right! You are citing the democracia real movement, do u? Or is your email subject the seoptimized catchphrase. Peter Lindener schrieb: By now, most people on top of our Society's Transmutation into surveillance state are beginning to

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread Shava Nerad
If my understanding of Mozilla's description of the vulnerability is correct: https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2013/08/04/investigating-security-vulnerability-report/ Users who are on the latest version of Firefox (version 22) or Firefox ESR (version 17.0.7) are not at risk. If a user is

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread Al Billings
No, Mozilla (I assume you mean Firefox) wasn't used to insert anything into any servers. It is the other way around. Someone had an exploit on the servers that could be used to exploit older versions of the ESR17 branch of Firefox, which the Tor Browser Bundle uses. (ESR is the Extended Support

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread Shava Nerad
ah, ok, thanks! Got it backwards... So the server was hacked by some unknown method, by a state level opponent, and this was then used to identify user activity using the Firefox 17 vulnerability announced by Mozilla, presumably, which allowed them to monitor significant traffic and

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread Andy Isaacson
On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 12:09:48AM +0200, Griffin Boyce wrote: We may have to disagree as to the way forward. I hate to be contentious, but it seems unlikely that Tor applied a patch without reading firefox's changelog. I'm still not clear on what you want Tor to have done. Should they do a

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Griffin Boyce: Al, We may have to disagree as to the way forward. I hate to be contentious, but it seems unlikely that Tor applied a patch without reading firefox's changelog. Two days ago I presented a talk which emphasized how useful Tor is -- and I stand by that. Tor is still the best

[liberationtech] New Wilson Center brief on making hackathons sustainable

2013-08-05 Thread Lea Shanley
Hackathons offer an opportunity to achieve innovation-oriented goals with limited resources, but require careful planning and organizational commitment to sustain engagement over the long term. This brief provides an overview of hackathons and offers strategies from previous successful events.

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread liberationtech
On Mon, Aug 05, 2013 at 06:18:02PM -0400, r...@privacymaverick.com wrote 0.6K bytes in 0 lines about: : Does anybody have any indication on how the alleged operator of : Freedom Hosting was identified. Everybody seems to be focusing on : the javascript exploit but from what I've read, it appears

Re: [liberationtech] New Wilson Center brief on making hackathons sustainable

2013-08-05 Thread Kyle Maxwell
Was that formatted so my 86-year-old grandfather could read it? On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Lea Shanley lashan...@gmail.com wrote: Hackathons offer an opportunity to achieve innovation-oriented goals with limited resources, but require careful planning and organizational commitment to

Re: [liberationtech] New Wilson Center brief on making hackathons sustainable

2013-08-05 Thread Al Billings
Yes. -- Al Billings http://makehacklearn.org On Monday, August 5, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Kyle Maxwell wrote: Was that formatted so my 86-year-old grandfather could read it? -- Liberationtech list is public and archives are searchable on Google. Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest,

Re: [liberationtech] Freedom Hosting, Tormail Compromised // OnionCloud

2013-08-05 Thread Kyle Maxwell
According to THN[0] and several linked supporting sites from there (particularly notable are analyses from Kenneth Buckler[1] and Vlad Tsyrklevich[2]), the payload delivered the MAC address and Windows hostname to 65.222.202.54[3]. I've read in public sources that that address is assigned to SAIC

Re: [liberationtech] real Democracy in the Information age...

2013-08-05 Thread Peter Lindener
hans christian voigt- From your response to this thread, I sense that you must be a very friendly, constructive person, who seeks greater levels of harmony.. Let me know if there is something else that from you perspective might feel constructive... I understand that many may feel there is