Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

[Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes]

I disagree. 

I read the ACM code in its entirety, and although very difficult to follow in 
the current rarefied mega-Corporate environment, it is what it should be for 
professionals that should be serving society first instead of profiting from it 
regardless of consequences.

I also commend the very participatory process the ACM went through to create it 
in the first place. I surely gave my input, and now I felt I was heard and 
represented in the end product.

Regards / Saludos / Grato

Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes

> On Feb 5, 2019, at 9:06 AM, Richard Brooks  wrote:
> 
> In my security course, I have students look at and contrast
> the ACM and IEEE codes of ethics.
> 
> To be honest the ACM code is long winded, hard to follow, and
> (in my opinion) almost impossible to follow.
> 
> It does not surprise me that it did not influence the people.
> What would surprise me is if they read the whole thing.
> 
> The IEEE code is brief and less legalistic in tone.
> 
>> On 2/4/19 2:20 PM, Aaron Massey wrote:
>> Re: seeking empirical evidence about ethics instruction
>> 
>> A recent publication at FSE attempted to evaluate the impact of the new
>> ACM code of ethics on decision-making and found no evidence of an effect
>> according to their methodology.  You can read the paper here:
>> 
>> https://people.engr.ncsu.edu/ermurph3/papers/fse18nier.pdf
>> 
>> It’s worth asking whether this is the sort of structure a study of this
>> nature should have.  For example, this study doesn’t really address many
>> (or any?) of the points Charles made earlier.
>> 
>> Best, Aaron
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon  04 Feb 2019  07:40 AM, Charles M. Ess wrote:
>>> And thanks on both fronts!
>>> 
>>> My acknowledging that it was a critical, spot-on point was not
>>> gratuitous or merely courteous: behind it is a larger point - one that
>>> we don't always point out to our undergraduate students.  But
>>> Aristotle warned at the outset of his Nichomachean Ethics that no one
>>> under 30 should attempt it - precisely because of their comparative
>>> lack of experience as enculturated ethical beings.  (Part of this
>>> enculturation includes precisely our learning from our mistakes -
>>> phronesis as self-correcting ethical judgment.)
>>> FWIW: while I loved teaching undergraduate philosophy courses, such as
>>> ethics and logic, for example - and still think that there's value and
>>> some measure of good effect from them - having so-called
>>> "non-traditional" was always a great pleasure, precisely because they
>>> could bring their greater experience into play.  FWIW: the past couple
>>> of decades have been even better on this front as I've been privileged
>>> to work with a number of groups and communities who meet Aristotle's
>>> age requirement - and it shows up in insights, discussion, debates,
>>> dialogue, etc. that are that much richer for it.
>>> 
>>> In all events - yes, kudos and great thanks, Paul!
>>> - c.
>>> 
 On 04/02/2019 05:32, Paul wrote:
 Charles,
I would like to claim partial credit for spurring your excellent
 response. ;)
   Paul
>>> 
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Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

[Richard Brooks]

In my security course, I have students look at and contrast
the ACM and IEEE codes of ethics.

To be honest the ACM code is long winded, hard to follow, and
(in my opinion) almost impossible to follow.

It does not surprise me that it did not influence the people.
What would surprise me is if they read the whole thing.

The IEEE code is brief and less legalistic in tone.

On 2/4/19 2:20 PM, Aaron Massey wrote:
> Re: seeking empirical evidence about ethics instruction
> 
> A recent publication at FSE attempted to evaluate the impact of the new
> ACM code of ethics on decision-making and found no evidence of an effect
> according to their methodology.  You can read the paper here:
> 
> https://people.engr.ncsu.edu/ermurph3/papers/fse18nier.pdf
> 
> It’s worth asking whether this is the sort of structure a study of this
> nature should have.  For example, this study doesn’t really address many
> (or any?) of the points Charles made earlier.
> 
> Best, Aaron
> 
> 
> On Mon  04 Feb 2019  07:40 AM, Charles M. Ess wrote:
>> And thanks on both fronts!
>>
>> My acknowledging that it was a critical, spot-on point was not
>> gratuitous or merely courteous: behind it is a larger point - one that
>> we don't always point out to our undergraduate students.  But
>> Aristotle warned at the outset of his Nichomachean Ethics that no one
>> under 30 should attempt it - precisely because of their comparative
>> lack of experience as enculturated ethical beings.  (Part of this
>> enculturation includes precisely our learning from our mistakes -
>> phronesis as self-correcting ethical judgment.)
>> FWIW: while I loved teaching undergraduate philosophy courses, such as
>> ethics and logic, for example - and still think that there's value and
>> some measure of good effect from them - having so-called
>> "non-traditional" was always a great pleasure, precisely because they
>> could bring their greater experience into play.  FWIW: the past couple
>> of decades have been even better on this front as I've been privileged
>> to work with a number of groups and communities who meet Aristotle's
>> age requirement - and it shows up in insights, discussion, debates,
>> dialogue, etc. that are that much richer for it.
>>
>> In all events - yes, kudos and great thanks, Paul!
>> - c.
>>
>> On 04/02/2019 05:32, Paul wrote:
>>> Charles,
>>>    I would like to claim partial credit for spurring your excellent
>>> response. ;)
>>>   Paul
>>
>> -- 
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>> Department of Media and Communication
>> University of Oslo
>> 
>>
>> Postboks 1093
>> Blindern 0317
>> Oslo, Norway
>> c.m@media.uio.no
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Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

[Yosem Companys]

I wonder if the study had been conducted in the following radically
different way instead whether it had resulted in a different outcome.
Studying the effect of a class that implicitly (if not explicitly)
inculcates self-interest is, if Nobel Prize-winning economist Oliver
Williamson to be believed, one form of studying the effects of teaching
ethics on human behavior:

The specific question addressed by Frank et al. (1993) was this: Does
> exposing college students to the precepts and findings of rational choice
> theory influence the power they perceive self-interest has, or at least
> should have, over their own lives and that of the average other? The
> researchers examined this question by assessing students' responses at both
> the beginning and end of the semester to two ethical dilemmas ("Would you
> return a lost envelope with $100 in it?" and "Would you report a billing
> error that benefited you?"). Students were members of one of two different
> microeconomics classes or of a class unrelated to economics (astronomy). Of
> the economics classes, one was taught by an instructor who specialized in
> game theory (a field in which self-interest is axiomatic), the other, by an
> instructor who specialized in economic development in Maoist China. The
> results supported the hypothesis that studying economics can foster
> self-interest. Over the course of the semester, the responses of students
> in the game theorist's class increased in self-interest more than did those
> of students in the other economist's class; these latter students'
> responses, in turn, increased more in self-interest than did those of
> students in the control (astronomy) professor's class. Similar changes
> emerged on measures assessing students' expectations of the actions of the
> average person.
>


The most significant finding of Frank et al. (1993) for the present
> analysis is that the experience of taking a course in microeconomics
> actually altered students' conceptions of the appropriateness of acting in
> a self-interested manner, not merely their definition of self-interest.
> Instruction in economics, it would appear, does not make cynics out of
> students by persuading them that the motivation behind people's actions,
> whatever it appears to be, is inevitably self-interest. Frank et al.'s
> (1993) participants did not emerge from Economics 101 believing that it
> actually is in one's self-interest to report a favorable billing error
> because, for example, it preempts guilt or fosters a reputation for
> honesty. Rather, they emerged apparently believing that not reporting a
> favorable billing error, in addition to being self-interested, is also the
> rational and appropriate action to take, however guilty one feels doing so.


https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/eaf9/b29c0c65560755e12e77889e36602251bc6a.pdf


By the way, the rest of the paper is worth reading for all of you who care
about teaching ethics to engineers. According to Miller, who reviews the
literature above, the economics discipline has inculcated an ethics of
self-interest in the U.S. that permeates a number of fields. See also:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.edu.documents/30702680/AMR-Jan2005.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAIWOWYYGZ2Y53UL3A=1549326626=OBDnezobod2XqdjR36JGwOcJfRI%3D=inline%3B%20filename%3DEconomics_language_and_assumptions_How_t.pdf

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On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 3:15 PM Aaron Massey  wrote:

> Re: seeking empirical evidence about ethics instruction
>
> A recent publication at FSE attempted to evaluate the impact of the new
> ACM code of ethics on decision-making and found no evidence of an effect
> according to their methodology.  You can read the paper here:
>
> https://people.engr.ncsu.edu/ermurph3/papers/fse18nier.pdf
>
> It’s worth asking whether this is the sort of structure a study of this
> nature should have.  For example, this study doesn’t really address many
> (or any?) of the points Charles made earlier.
>
> Best, Aaron
>
>
> On Mon  04 Feb 2019  07:40 AM, Charles M. Ess wrote:
> >And thanks on both fronts!
> >
> >My acknowledging that it was a critical, spot-on point was not
> >gratuitous or merely courteous: behind it is a larger point - one that
> >we don't always point out to our undergraduate students.  But
> >Aristotle warned at the outset of his Nichomachean Ethics that no one
> >under 30 should attempt it - precisely because of their comparative
> >lack of experience as enculturated ethical beings.  (Part of this
> >enculturation includes precisely our learning from our mistakes -
> >phronesis as self-correcting ethical judgment.)
> >FWIW: while I loved teaching undergraduate philosophy courses, such as
> >ethics and logic, for example - and still think that there's value and
> >some measure of good effect from them 

Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

[Aaron Massey]

Re: seeking empirical evidence about ethics instruction

A recent publication at FSE attempted to evaluate the impact of the new 
ACM code of ethics on decision-making and found no evidence of an effect 
according to their methodology.  You can read the paper here:


https://people.engr.ncsu.edu/ermurph3/papers/fse18nier.pdf

It’s worth asking whether this is the sort of structure a study of this 
nature should have.  For example, this study doesn’t really address many 
(or any?) of the points Charles made earlier.


Best, Aaron


On Mon  04 Feb 2019  07:40 AM, Charles M. Ess wrote:

And thanks on both fronts!

My acknowledging that it was a critical, spot-on point was not 
gratuitous or merely courteous: behind it is a larger point - one that 
we don't always point out to our undergraduate students.  But 
Aristotle warned at the outset of his Nichomachean Ethics that no one 
under 30 should attempt it - precisely because of their comparative 
lack of experience as enculturated ethical beings.  (Part of this 
enculturation includes precisely our learning from our mistakes - 
phronesis as self-correcting ethical judgment.)
FWIW: while I loved teaching undergraduate philosophy courses, such as 
ethics and logic, for example - and still think that there's value and 
some measure of good effect from them - having so-called 
"non-traditional" was always a great pleasure, precisely because they 
could bring their greater experience into play.  FWIW: the past couple 
of decades have been even better on this front as I've been privileged 
to work with a number of groups and communities who meet Aristotle's 
age requirement - and it shows up in insights, discussion, debates, 
dialogue, etc. that are that much richer for it.


In all events - yes, kudos and great thanks, Paul!
- c.

On 04/02/2019 05:32, Paul wrote:

Charles,
   I would like to claim partial credit for spurring your excellent 
response. ;)

  Paul


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Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum? - curricula collection

[Charles M. Ess]

Dear colleagues,
my good colleagues at SPT have pointed me to the following resource:



Over 200 courses in there, and from across a range of disciplines, 
certainly including computer science - ca. 25% - but well beyond as well.


This is impressive and most helpful - if still somewhat US-centric - 
i.e., spurred by a NYTimes editorial about the dreadful state of ethics 
education vis-a-vis technology professionals.  But a stunning resource - 
one open to further addition - and so should be very useful indeed for 
anyone here who wants to pursue these examples.


Again, many thanks to all for such an interesting and fruitful exchange!
best,
- c.

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Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

[Charles M. Ess]

And thanks on both fronts!

My acknowledging that it was a critical, spot-on point was not 
gratuitous or merely courteous: behind it is a larger point - one that 
we don't always point out to our undergraduate students.  But Aristotle 
warned at the outset of his Nichomachean Ethics that no one under 30 
should attempt it - precisely because of their comparative lack of 
experience as enculturated ethical beings.  (Part of this enculturation 
includes precisely our learning from our mistakes - phronesis as 
self-correcting ethical judgment.)
FWIW: while I loved teaching undergraduate philosophy courses, such as 
ethics and logic, for example - and still think that there's value and 
some measure of good effect from them - having so-called 
"non-traditional" was always a great pleasure, precisely because they 
could bring their greater experience into play.  FWIW: the past couple 
of decades have been even better on this front as I've been privileged 
to work with a number of groups and communities who meet Aristotle's age 
requirement - and it shows up in insights, discussion, debates, 
dialogue, etc. that are that much richer for it.


In all events - yes, kudos and great thanks, Paul!
- c.

On 04/02/2019 05:32, Paul wrote:

Charles,
    I would like to claim partial credit for spurring your excellent 
response. ;)

   Paul


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Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

[Paul]

Charles,
   I would like to claim partial credit for spurring your excellent
response. ;)
  Paul
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Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

[Richard Brooks]

On 2/3/19 1:26 AM, Paul wrote:
> Is there any evidence, or even anecdotes, suggesting that ethics courses
> (in any form) work to make people act more ethically?  

Main issue that I would see is how you measure ethics. Psychology
studies seem to lack reproducibility.

>      I can see that someone who was already ethical might find something
> they had missed, but it's hard for me (admittedly a cynical person) to
> imagine that an ethics course can make someone ethical, any more than
> one could expect an "empathy" course to make people empathetic.
>   Paul
> 

In courses I taught that touch on ethics, I feel that it has
made some impact. I notice that the position of students coming
in tends to be:

"We won't do anything unethical, because we are good people."

Which is not what you want. I think I get them to at least think
of the possible, including unintended, consequences of their
actions. That may be the best you can do.

A good text is: "The Case of the Killer Robot" it has lots of
cases it presents with no clear answers and possible legal
liability. Probably for a large segment of the population
ethical activity is mainly trying to avoid litigation.

Am concerned about autonomous systems ethics having devolved into
a repeat of the trolley problems. In discussion with automotive
companies, they tell me their answer: "Autonomous vehicle needs
to save the life of the owner. Otherwise no one will buy the cars."
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Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

[Yosem Companys]

Thank you, Charles. This is a great post.

Charles, your post reminded me of the fascinating research of Stanford's
Dale Miller who has shown that students, on average, become LESS ethical
after taking an economics course.

I believe Miller was also the one who conducted studies that showed that
when people were asked why they had donated money to a cause they would
privately say altruism yet publicly say "to get a tax break," suggesting
that the assumptions of economics have become a social norm that governs
the American psyche.

A great paper on the subject can be found here

.

We also know from U.S. researchers of communities who have been running a
continuous yearly national community survey since the 1940s that trust
among Americans has been eroding since at least that time.

And then there are cross-cultural studies such as those that study the
societal reactions to suicides and mass shootings: In collectivistic
societies like China, the reaction is that the community somehow must've
failed the individual. In individualistic societies like the U.S., the
reaction is that the individual is deranged and a lone wolf.

On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 3:03 AM Charles M. Ess  wrote:

> Paul's comments are spot on: thanks for raising a central and critical
> issue.
>
> It would be great to have the sort of empirical evidence suggested - and
> below I will allude to some anecdotal evidence.
> But part of the response is, it's complicated, beginning with attempting
> to devise a study that could isolate the impacts of such a course
> vis-a-vis specific ethical choices and actions.  As with, say, studies
> that attempt to dis/prove causal connections between say, internet porn
> and violent content on behavior, it is monstrously difficult to prove
> with much certainty either one or the other.
>
> But underneath this is an assumption or two that should also be
> interrogated.  One assumption - especially prominent in the US context,
> as shaped by specific Christian assumptions about human nature - is that
> people are inclined towards selfishness and are thereby less "naturally"
> social, cooperative, etc; rather, they can only be coerced into doing so
> by some form of force - whether open and brutal (Thomas Hobbes'
> Leviathan, a Christian theocracy, threats of eternal damnation in
> hellfire, the total surveillance state or corporation, etc.) or more
> subtle: Santa Claus / B.F. Skinner systems of rewards for desired
> behaviors, etc.
> In these contexts, my experience has been that the (second and
> consequent) default assumption - including in professional communities
> such as police and first responders, lawyers, as well as engineers of
> various expertise - is that "ethics" means a rulebook to impose order /
> desired behavior on a target audience otherwise inclined to be less than
> "ethical." (And, unfortunately, I have to admit that ethics is taught
> this way in all too many instances.)
>
> There may be some good ways to try to teach ethics under these
> assumptions - but again, attempting to provide solid evidence that
> people behave better afterwards will be difficult indeed.
>
> As an alternative: the assumption many of us make - starting from
> Aristotle forward - is that people are already reasonably well
> enculturated and experienced with "ethics" - meaning more broadly, a
> capacity to recognize the primary dimensions of a difficult ethical
> choice and to discern / judge the preferable way(s) forward.
> (And in a Scandinavian context, the assumption is that human beings are
> primarily / "naturally" good - including other-regarding and so on.
> There are a range of historical and cultural factors that support these
> views - and they are manifest in such measured matters as the highest
> trust levels in the world, vanishingly small crime rates, community
> policing without weapons, etc., etc.)
> In any event, for those of us who have been privileged to teach ethics
> in both academic and professional settings, this approach begins with
> the emphasis that ethics is not primarily about imposing some sort of a
> rulebook (utilitarian, deontological, etc.) upon those who would
> otherwise be clueless.  It is rather about first interrogating the
> ethical sensibilities and experiences of our interlocutors - most
> especially among professionals who often have many decades of experience
> to draw on.
> Involving ethics in these domains - e.g., research ethics in the social
> sciences, ethics for design in ICT, and/or the ethical dimensions of
> specific "Big Data" projects involving computer scientists and
> engineers, police and first responders, national emergency authorities,
> etc. - is then a much different matter from attempting to impose a rule
> book.  It is often 

Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

[Charles M. Ess]

Paul's comments are spot on: thanks for raising a central and critical 
issue.


It would be great to have the sort of empirical evidence suggested - and 
below I will allude to some anecdotal evidence.
But part of the response is, it's complicated, beginning with attempting 
to devise a study that could isolate the impacts of such a course 
vis-a-vis specific ethical choices and actions.  As with, say, studies 
that attempt to dis/prove causal connections between say, internet porn 
and violent content on behavior, it is monstrously difficult to prove 
with much certainty either one or the other.


But underneath this is an assumption or two that should also be 
interrogated.  One assumption - especially prominent in the US context, 
as shaped by specific Christian assumptions about human nature - is that 
people are inclined towards selfishness and are thereby less "naturally" 
social, cooperative, etc; rather, they can only be coerced into doing so 
by some form of force - whether open and brutal (Thomas Hobbes' 
Leviathan, a Christian theocracy, threats of eternal damnation in 
hellfire, the total surveillance state or corporation, etc.) or more 
subtle: Santa Claus / B.F. Skinner systems of rewards for desired 
behaviors, etc.
In these contexts, my experience has been that the (second and 
consequent) default assumption - including in professional communities 
such as police and first responders, lawyers, as well as engineers of 
various expertise - is that "ethics" means a rulebook to impose order / 
desired behavior on a target audience otherwise inclined to be less than 
"ethical." (And, unfortunately, I have to admit that ethics is taught 
this way in all too many instances.)


There may be some good ways to try to teach ethics under these 
assumptions - but again, attempting to provide solid evidence that 
people behave better afterwards will be difficult indeed.


As an alternative: the assumption many of us make - starting from 
Aristotle forward - is that people are already reasonably well 
enculturated and experienced with "ethics" - meaning more broadly, a 
capacity to recognize the primary dimensions of a difficult ethical 
choice and to discern / judge the preferable way(s) forward.
(And in a Scandinavian context, the assumption is that human beings are 
primarily / "naturally" good - including other-regarding and so on. 
There are a range of historical and cultural factors that support these 
views - and they are manifest in such measured matters as the highest 
trust levels in the world, vanishingly small crime rates, community 
policing without weapons, etc., etc.)
In any event, for those of us who have been privileged to teach ethics 
in both academic and professional settings, this approach begins with 
the emphasis that ethics is not primarily about imposing some sort of a 
rulebook (utilitarian, deontological, etc.) upon those who would 
otherwise be clueless.  It is rather about first interrogating the 
ethical sensibilities and experiences of our interlocutors - most 
especially among professionals who often have many decades of experience 
to draw on.
Involving ethics in these domains - e.g., research ethics in the social 
sciences, ethics for design in ICT, and/or the ethical dimensions of 
specific "Big Data" projects involving computer scientists and 
engineers, police and first responders, national emergency authorities, 
etc. - is then a much different matter from attempting to impose a rule 
book.  It is often characterized in terms of "process" or dialogical 
ethics - oriented more towards using philosophical and applied ethics to 
provide concepts and frameworks that help practitioners more fully 
articulate and critically assess their extant ethical sensibilities and 
approaches.
I can tell you that in the Association of Internet Researchers (AoIR), 
after the first decade or so of approaching internet research ethics in 
these ways (i.e., starting in 2000) - the broad experience and consensus 
is that incorporating ethics in these ways not only helps with analyzing 
and resolving often complex and novel ethical challenges: it also leads 
to substantively better research in good old fashioned social science 
terms.  This is part of the reason why the association supports the 
on-going development of ethical guidelines - FWIW, our 3rd iteration 
will be delivered this October at the AoIR annual meeting in Brisbane.


I can also tell you that our collective experience in teaching ethics in 
these ways consistently receives strongly positive evaluations in the 
workshops - whether with academics and/or professional communities - we 
have offered since 2002 or so.
That's not evidence that people will behave any better as a result.  But 
it is evidence that people feel greater confidence by way of having more 
conceptual tools to draw on when confronting ethical challenges - an 
impression I also strongly hold from teaching undergraduates, FWIW.


I also have at least 

Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

[Yosem Companys]

Good point. It'd be great if someone had the answer to that question.

The only study vaguely related that I can remember is that psychology
experiment where priests who were going to give a sermon were less likely
to be good samaritans with a confederate in need when they were told they
were late to give their sermon than when they were told they were early.

So situational influences matter. It's not just about teaching personal
ethics. It's about teaching how to behave in ethical ways when confronted
by certain situations and learning the situations when you might act
unethically so if you're ever in that situation you might remember and
choose to act ethically instead.

On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 10:26 PM Paul  wrote:

> Is there any evidence, or even anecdotes, suggesting that ethics courses
> (in any form) work to make people act more ethically?
>  I can see that someone who was already ethical might find something
> they had missed, but it's hard for me (admittedly a cynical person) to
> imagine that an ethics course can make someone ethical, any more than one
> could expect an "empathy" course to make people empathetic.
>   Paul
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Is there any evidence, or even anecdotes, suggesting that ethics courses
(in any form) work to make people act more ethically?
 I can see that someone who was already ethical might find something
they had missed, but it's hard for me (admittedly a cynical person) to
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could expect an "empathy" course to make people empathetic.
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thanks in turn - let me see if I can collect a few from the colleagues 
most engaged; will happily report back with any successes.

best,
- c.

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BTW, Charles, do you have any of the syllabi for the courses you 
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BTW, Charles, do you have any of the syllabi for the courses you mentioned?
If so, could you share them with the list?

Thanks,
Yosem

On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 9:10 PM Charles M. Ess  wrote:

> A fascinating - if deeply depressing - thread: many thanks to all.
>
> Let me add:  the relatively sudden interest among Harvard, Stanford et
> al in attempting to introduce some element of ethics into CS (and
> related) instruction is also quite striking to many of us who have been
> doing this for 30 years or longer.  James Moor at Dartmouth, for
> example, was pushing in these directions in the 1980s - and enough
> U.S.-based philosophers and CS (and related) folk were interested to
> begin the Computing and Philosophy (CAP) conferences in the late 1980s,
> based in Carnegie Mellon and whose venues included Stanford.  The topics
> included AI, logic, hypertext/hypermedia - and ethics, both in
> application and teaching.
> Very briefly: those of us who have thus been engaged in these domains
> for quite some time see information and computing ethics (ICE) as
> grounded in Norbert Wiener's _The Human Use of Human Beings_
> (1950/1954): "cybernetics" is from _kybernetes_, the steersman or pilot
> which in Plato stands as the exemplar of _ethical_ judgment and the
> capacity for _ethical_ self-correction.  (Admittedly, there are
> strikingly few people, even in the ICE communities, seem to be aware of
> this.)
> Especially as CAP morphed into the International Association of CAP
> (IACAP) in the early 2000s, all of this blossomed in many and various
> ways - including three additional professional organizations and
> conference series devoted to various dimensions of ethics vis-a-vis
> computational and computer-mediated communication technologies (the
> latter with roots back to the 1980s, if not earlier, as well). Namely,
> the CEPE (computer ethics: professional inquiries) series begun by Simon
> Rogerson in the UK and INSEIT (International Society for Ethics and
> Information Technology), both starting up in the late 1990s.  Likewise,
> the Society for Philosophy of Technology (SPT) started up in 1995,
> beginning with its now flagship journal, _techné_.
>
>  From my perspective, the most remarkable developments have emerged over
> the last four or five years, as our colleagues in CS and related fields,
> including network engineering, for example, have themselves begun to
> argue for and exemplify the importance of ethical reflection in their
> work.  There are some striking examples - at least on this side of the
> pond - and I'd be happy to share references if anyone's interested.
> Most remarkably in these directions: the IEEE project to develop ethical
> standards for the design of Autonomous & Intelligent Systems, now
> concluding its second phase, draws centrally on the virtue ethics
> tradition first staked out by Norbert Wiener as central to their
> frameworks for "ethically-aligned design" (
> https://ethicsinaction.ieee.org/)
> In parallel: the most recent philosophical and policy-related documents
> on ethical frameworks for AI in the EU centrally stress virtue ethics as
> well as Kantian deontology (autonomy / dignity) as core pillars.  (The
> most prominent and influential work is connected with Luciano Floridi at
> the OII, who is also a member of the European Data Protection
> Supervisor's Ethics Advisory Group:
> <
> https://edps.europa.eu/data-protection/our-work/our-work-by-type/ethical-framework_fr
> >)
>
> The EU folk recognize that these ethical emphases distinguish them from
> both the US and China in a number of critical ways.  Vis-a-vis this
> thread: given the significance of both the IEEE project and developing
> EU policy on ethics in conjunction with the development of AI, the IoT,
> etc. - the, um, indifference, if not hostility towards ethics in
> primarily the US context, as represented in this thread, is at best
> startling and at worst deeply disturbing. (Think: the US version of the
> Chinese Social Credit System, in which any notion of human dignity and
> rights take a distinctive back seat to utilitarian emphases on economic
> efficiencies and benefits - where utilitarianism tends to be the default
> ethical framework in the US in any case, as the focus on the Trolley
> Problem in conjunction with autonomous vehicles exemplifies.)
> At the same time, both this history and these recent developments make
> the current "discovery" of ethics and computation by Harvard, Stanford,
> MIT (e.g., "the moral machine") seem woefully ill-informed and
> ethnocentric.
> Correct me if / where I'm wrong.
>
> On the other hand, perhaps better late than never and everything should
> be done to encourage further developments in the US context especially.
> Those of us engaged in these domains have some strategies for doing so -
> but suggestions and comments in these directions would be greatly welcomed.
>
> Many thanks for reading this far -
> charles ess
>
>
> On 01/02/2019 20:02, Yosem 

Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

[Yosem Companys]

Very interesting, Charles. Thanks for sharing.

Below, I have a few related points and questions in no particular order:

   1. There has been a trend for a while to include (more) ethics courses
   in curriculums at business schools. Does anyone know how business schools
   have done so? Are there any learnings from business schools for computer
   science departments, or vice versa?
   2. The policy and legal scholars among us should correct me if I'm
   wrong, but haven't law schools been teaching computing ethics at least
   since the establishment of Harvard Berkman in... 1999? Some of you touched
   upon how computer science departments could learn from law schools in this
   regard. I'd be interested in hearing more.
   3. There are extensive literatures in the study of science, technology,
   and society and the history and sociology of technology that have for a
   long time now been exploring questions of power, politics, and ethics in
   technology development. These literatures have found homes in departments
   of information systems, information science, and even computer science. But
   why don't computer scientists import more of these insights into computer
   science? It seems that just as one learns about the advancements in the
   field one should also learn about the social, political, economic, and
   cultural context in which it's occurring. Decisions to build the Internet's
   architecture in one way created path dependencies that produced a different
   socio-technical system from, say, those of the Soviet Union or France
   (i.e., Minitel). Wikipedia is obviously not the most authoritative source,
   but at least provides a brief overview for those of you who might be
   interested: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_shaping_of_technology.
   In any case, it's an interesting way for computer scientists to bring
   ethical issues into the classroom while maintaining these issues in their
   broader societal context, likely make it less "boring" and/or "intrusive"
   for students.


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On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 9:10 PM Charles M. Ess  wrote:

> A fascinating - if deeply depressing - thread: many thanks to all.
>
> Let me add:  the relatively sudden interest among Harvard, Stanford et
> al in attempting to introduce some element of ethics into CS (and
> related) instruction is also quite striking to many of us who have been
> doing this for 30 years or longer.  James Moor at Dartmouth, for
> example, was pushing in these directions in the 1980s - and enough
> U.S.-based philosophers and CS (and related) folk were interested to
> begin the Computing and Philosophy (CAP) conferences in the late 1980s,
> based in Carnegie Mellon and whose venues included Stanford.  The topics
> included AI, logic, hypertext/hypermedia - and ethics, both in
> application and teaching.
> Very briefly: those of us who have thus been engaged in these domains
> for quite some time see information and computing ethics (ICE) as
> grounded in Norbert Wiener's _The Human Use of Human Beings_
> (1950/1954): "cybernetics" is from _kybernetes_, the steersman or pilot
> which in Plato stands as the exemplar of _ethical_ judgment and the
> capacity for _ethical_ self-correction.  (Admittedly, there are
> strikingly few people, even in the ICE communities, seem to be aware of
> this.)
> Especially as CAP morphed into the International Association of CAP
> (IACAP) in the early 2000s, all of this blossomed in many and various
> ways - including three additional professional organizations and
> conference series devoted to various dimensions of ethics vis-a-vis
> computational and computer-mediated communication technologies (the
> latter with roots back to the 1980s, if not earlier, as well). Namely,
> the CEPE (computer ethics: professional inquiries) series begun by Simon
> Rogerson in the UK and INSEIT (International Society for Ethics and
> Information Technology), both starting up in the late 1990s.  Likewise,
> the Society for Philosophy of Technology (SPT) started up in 1995,
> beginning with its now flagship journal, _techné_.
>
>  From my perspective, the most remarkable developments have emerged over
> the last four or five years, as our colleagues in CS and related fields,
> including network engineering, for example, have themselves begun to
> argue for and exemplify the importance of ethical reflection in their
> work.  There are some striking examples - at least on this side of the
> pond - and I'd be happy to share references if anyone's interested.
> Most remarkably in these directions: the IEEE project to develop ethical
> standards for the design of Autonomous & Intelligent Systems, now
> concluding its second phase, draws centrally on the virtue ethics
> tradition first staked out by Norbert Wiener 

Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

[Charles M. Ess]

A fascinating - if deeply depressing - thread: many thanks to all.

Let me add:  the relatively sudden interest among Harvard, Stanford et 
al in attempting to introduce some element of ethics into CS (and 
related) instruction is also quite striking to many of us who have been 
doing this for 30 years or longer.  James Moor at Dartmouth, for 
example, was pushing in these directions in the 1980s - and enough 
U.S.-based philosophers and CS (and related) folk were interested to 
begin the Computing and Philosophy (CAP) conferences in the late 1980s, 
based in Carnegie Mellon and whose venues included Stanford.  The topics 
included AI, logic, hypertext/hypermedia - and ethics, both in 
application and teaching.
Very briefly: those of us who have thus been engaged in these domains 
for quite some time see information and computing ethics (ICE) as 
grounded in Norbert Wiener's _The Human Use of Human Beings_ 
(1950/1954): "cybernetics" is from _kybernetes_, the steersman or pilot 
which in Plato stands as the exemplar of _ethical_ judgment and the 
capacity for _ethical_ self-correction.  (Admittedly, there are 
strikingly few people, even in the ICE communities, seem to be aware of 
this.)
Especially as CAP morphed into the International Association of CAP 
(IACAP) in the early 2000s, all of this blossomed in many and various 
ways - including three additional professional organizations and 
conference series devoted to various dimensions of ethics vis-a-vis 
computational and computer-mediated communication technologies (the 
latter with roots back to the 1980s, if not earlier, as well). Namely, 
the CEPE (computer ethics: professional inquiries) series begun by Simon 
Rogerson in the UK and INSEIT (International Society for Ethics and 
Information Technology), both starting up in the late 1990s.  Likewise, 
the Society for Philosophy of Technology (SPT) started up in 1995, 
beginning with its now flagship journal, _techné_.


From my perspective, the most remarkable developments have emerged over 
the last four or five years, as our colleagues in CS and related fields, 
including network engineering, for example, have themselves begun to 
argue for and exemplify the importance of ethical reflection in their 
work.  There are some striking examples - at least on this side of the 
pond - and I'd be happy to share references if anyone's interested.
Most remarkably in these directions: the IEEE project to develop ethical 
standards for the design of Autonomous & Intelligent Systems, now 
concluding its second phase, draws centrally on the virtue ethics 
tradition first staked out by Norbert Wiener as central to their 
frameworks for "ethically-aligned design" (https://ethicsinaction.ieee.org/)
In parallel: the most recent philosophical and policy-related documents 
on ethical frameworks for AI in the EU centrally stress virtue ethics as 
well as Kantian deontology (autonomy / dignity) as core pillars.  (The 
most prominent and influential work is connected with Luciano Floridi at 
the OII, who is also a member of the European Data Protection 
Supervisor's Ethics Advisory Group: 
)


The EU folk recognize that these ethical emphases distinguish them from 
both the US and China in a number of critical ways.  Vis-a-vis this 
thread: given the significance of both the IEEE project and developing 
EU policy on ethics in conjunction with the development of AI, the IoT, 
etc. - the, um, indifference, if not hostility towards ethics in 
primarily the US context, as represented in this thread, is at best 
startling and at worst deeply disturbing. (Think: the US version of the 
Chinese Social Credit System, in which any notion of human dignity and 
rights take a distinctive back seat to utilitarian emphases on economic 
efficiencies and benefits - where utilitarianism tends to be the default 
ethical framework in the US in any case, as the focus on the Trolley 
Problem in conjunction with autonomous vehicles exemplifies.)
At the same time, both this history and these recent developments make 
the current "discovery" of ethics and computation by Harvard, Stanford, 
MIT (e.g., "the moral machine") seem woefully ill-informed and ethnocentric.

Correct me if / where I'm wrong.

On the other hand, perhaps better late than never and everything should 
be done to encourage further developments in the US context especially. 
Those of us engaged in these domains have some strategies for doing so - 
but suggestions and comments in these directions would be greatly welcomed.


Many thanks for reading this far -
charles ess


On 01/02/2019 20:02, Yosem Companys wrote:

My comments inline below in blue...

On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 10:49 AM Richard Brooks > wrote:


Reminds me of a proposal I wrote for an ethics course to NSF.
My proposed course looked at the economics of the industry, as
pointed out by Ross 

Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

[Yosem Companys]

My comments inline below in blue...

On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 10:49 AM Richard Brooks  wrote:

> Reminds me of a proposal I wrote for an ethics course to NSF.
> My proposed course looked at the economics of the industry, as
> pointed out by Ross Anderson, that the market rewards bad
> and insecure software. This means that structurally it is
> almost impossible to be ethical and survive. The course included
> finding regulatory and market modifications that would support
> producing secure systems and economic survival.
>
> I find something wrong with a system that supports making
> insecure products.
>
> My course proposal was turned down. My favorite review
> of the proposal said it is wrong to combine ethics and
> economics.
>

That was the question Oliver Williamson asked before his being awarded the
Nobel Prize in Economics.

Research by Dale Miller
 and
others shows that students who take economics courses in college become
more selfish and less altruistic after taking the course.

My Harvard advisor Jeffrey Sachs once told me the story about how the
President of the University of Chicago -- then an economist -- heard Jeff
go on and on about the importance of technologies to what was then called
"developing economies." When Jeff was done, the President turned to him and
said, "Jeff, you know that there's no such thing as technology because we
haven't modeled it mathematically yet."

When I came to Stanford and turned to the natural and behavioral sciences,
one of my professors would introduce me at parties as a "recovering
economist," which I always found amusing.


> We should teach them to do the ethical thing, especially
> when it means that they will go bankrupt.
>
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> But I wonder what the pedagogical research literature says about the
> best way to teach ethics? I'm data-driven, so I'd rather see empirical
> evidence guide educational policy or someone conduct a study to assess
> the best course of action.

I doubt that you could come up with an empirical measure of ethics.

Reminds me of a proposal I wrote for an ethics course to NSF.
My proposed course looked at the economics of the industry, as
pointed out by Ross Anderson, that the market rewards bad
and insecure software. This means that structurally it is
almost impossible to be ethical and survive. The course included
finding regulatory and market modifications that would support
producing secure systems and economic survival.

I find something wrong with a system that supports making
insecure products.

My course proposal was turned down. My favorite review
of the proposal said it is wrong to combine ethics and
economics.

We should teach them to do the ethical thing, especially
when it means that they will go bankrupt.

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[Terry Winograd]

This is an ongoing debate.  The observation about how students treat a
single required ethics course is valid, and therefore it requires a lot of
work to make it more engaging (as Stanford is trying to do now).  The
problem with trying to integrate it into courses in general is that either
it is taught by faculty who have the same "let's get this over with"
attitude, or by special visiting faculty who drop in for a session or two,
and it still isn't integrated and leads to complaints about losing course
time that the faculty need for the "real material.".  Of course it depends
on the local culture and personalities.
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On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 9:35 AM Doug Schuler (via cpsr-activists list)
 wrote:

>
> I probably shouldn't have dragged Dick's name into this but here's my take
> on what he was saying.
>
> IF the ethics / social responsibility material presented in college is
> relegated to a single, required course (and is not integrated with more
> technical material throughout) then it likely to be disparaged by students
> and teachers alike in the department — and thereby have little effect.
>
> This is evidence from many many years ago but the engineers I worked with
> at Boeing who had had an ethics course acted like it was total BS, a waste
> of time, and not their concern. I'm not saying that they all felt this way
> but their views seemed to be fairly commonplace — which is why I thought
> that Dick's comments were probably pretty relevant.
>
> — Doug
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 9:34 PM Yosem Companys 
> wrote:
>
>> Why did he think it was a bad idea?
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 9:29 PM Doug Schuler <
>> doug...@publicsphereproject.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Good info!
>>>
>>> I had been talking to Dick Sclove about this recently and he said that
>>> adding ethics or social responsibility as a class that graduates had to
>>> take was essentially a bad idea. Louis Bucciarelli  apparently was using
>>> this in the engineering department at MIT.
>>>
>>> I wonder if this approach is being taken in any other CS departments.
>>>
>>> — Doug
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 8:55 PM Paul (via cpsr-activists list)
>>>  wrote:
>>>
 speaking of curriculum:
 Harvard works to embed ethics in computer science curriculum – Harvard
 Gazette

 https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2019/01/harvard-works-to-embed-ethics-in-computer-science-curriculum/

 On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 8:01 PM Yosem Companys (via cpsr-activists
 list)  wrote:

> Wow, I'd love to see that, even if for historical reasons...
>
> On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 6:33 PM Jeff Johnson (via cpsr-activists list)
>  wrote:
>
>> CPSR Folks,
>>
>> I seem to recall that educators in CPSR developed a “Socially
>> Responsible Computing” curriculum for college courses.  Am I remembering
>> correctly?  If so, please refresh my memory, or point me to anything 
>> online
>> about it.  Of course, it probably is decades old.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jeff Johnson
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Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

[Yosem Companys]

Interesting. In a related vein, from my experience, I'll note the following:

   - When underrepresented minorities started getting minimal
   representation at research-one universities, these universities started
   creating programs specifically focused on helping underrepresented
   minorities transition to their new environment. Over the years, mostly
   members of the non-minority community began to argue that having two
   different admit weekends -- one for underrepresented minorities and one for
   everyone else -- was a form of segregation and recommended eliminating such
   programs.
   - While serving on the admissions committee as an undergrad at Yale, I
   proposed that we have multicultural days during the regular admit weekend
   and require that members of the non-minority community attend it, rather
   than have a "minority admit weekend." Members of the non-minority community
   objected stating that such events should be optional only (even though all
   other admit weekend events were required) or that they shouldn't be held at
   all because otherwise other events would have to be removed from the
   schedule. Members of the minority communities also opposed the proposal,
   saying that the status quo of having an extra minority weekend beyond the
   admit weekend served the communities better. But once the members of the
   minority communities realized that the members of the non-minority
   community opposed the plan, they began to like it more.
   - Pondering on what you wrote below, it might be better for the teaching
   of ethics to require that every course have an ethics component. That way,
   students take whatever courses they want but are still exposed to ethics.

But I wonder what the pedagogical research literature says about the best
way to teach ethics? I'm data-driven, so I'd rather see empirical evidence
guide educational policy or someone conduct a study to assess the best
course of action.

My two cents.

On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 9:34 AM Doug Schuler 
wrote:

>
> I probably shouldn't have dragged Dick's name into this but here's my take
> on what he was saying.
>
> IF the ethics / social responsibility material presented in college is
> relegated to a single, required course (and is not integrated with more
> technical material throughout) then it likely to be disparaged by students
> and teachers alike in the department — and thereby have little effect.
>
> This is evidence from many many years ago but the engineers I worked with
> at Boeing who had had an ethics course acted like it was total BS, a waste
> of time, and not their concern. I'm not saying that they all felt this way
> but their views seemed to be fairly commonplace — which is why I thought
> that Dick's comments were probably pretty relevant.
>
> — Doug
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 9:34 PM Yosem Companys 
> wrote:
>
>> Why did he think it was a bad idea?
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 9:29 PM Doug Schuler <
>> doug...@publicsphereproject.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Good info!
>>>
>>> I had been talking to Dick Sclove about this recently and he said that
>>> adding ethics or social responsibility as a class that graduates had to
>>> take was essentially a bad idea. Louis Bucciarelli  apparently was using
>>> this in the engineering department at MIT.
>>>
>>> I wonder if this approach is being taken in any other CS departments.
>>>
>>> — Doug
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 8:55 PM Paul (via cpsr-activists list)
>>>  wrote:
>>>
 speaking of curriculum:
 Harvard works to embed ethics in computer science curriculum – Harvard
 Gazette

 https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2019/01/harvard-works-to-embed-ethics-in-computer-science-curriculum/

 On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 8:01 PM Yosem Companys (via cpsr-activists
 list)  wrote:

> Wow, I'd love to see that, even if for historical reasons...
>
> On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 6:33 PM Jeff Johnson (via cpsr-activists list)
>  wrote:
>
>> CPSR Folks,
>>
>> I seem to recall that educators in CPSR developed a “Socially
>> Responsible Computing” curriculum for college courses.  Am I remembering
>> correctly?  If so, please refresh my memory, or point me to anything 
>> online
>> about it.  Of course, it probably is decades old.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jeff Johnson
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Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

[Yosem Companys]

Good point, Terry. I didn't think of that.

On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 9:48 AM Terry Winograd (via cpsr-activists list)
 wrote:

> This is an ongoing debate.  The observation about how students treat a
> single required ethics course is valid, and therefore it requires a lot of
> work to make it more engaging (as Stanford is trying to do now).  The
> problem with trying to integrate it into courses in general is that either
> it is taught by faculty who have the same "let's get this over with"
> attitude, or by special visiting faculty who drop in for a session or two,
> and it still isn't integrated and leads to complaints about losing course
> time that the faculty need for the "real material.".  Of course it depends
> on the local culture and personalities.
> --t
>
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 9:35 AM Doug Schuler (via cpsr-activists list)
>  wrote:
>
>>
>> I probably shouldn't have dragged Dick's name into this but here's my
>> take on what he was saying.
>>
>> IF the ethics / social responsibility material presented in college is
>> relegated to a single, required course (and is not integrated with more
>> technical material throughout) then it likely to be disparaged by students
>> and teachers alike in the department — and thereby have little effect.
>>
>> This is evidence from many many years ago but the engineers I worked with
>> at Boeing who had had an ethics course acted like it was total BS, a waste
>> of time, and not their concern. I'm not saying that they all felt this way
>> but their views seemed to be fairly commonplace — which is why I thought
>> that Dick's comments were probably pretty relevant.
>>
>> — Doug
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 9:34 PM Yosem Companys 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Why did he think it was a bad idea?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 9:29 PM Doug Schuler <
>>> doug...@publicsphereproject.org> wrote:
>>>
 Good info!

 I had been talking to Dick Sclove about this recently and he said that
 adding ethics or social responsibility as a class that graduates had to
 take was essentially a bad idea. Louis Bucciarelli  apparently was using
 this in the engineering department at MIT.

 I wonder if this approach is being taken in any other CS departments.

 — Doug



 On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 8:55 PM Paul (via cpsr-activists list)
  wrote:

> speaking of curriculum:
> Harvard works to embed ethics in computer science curriculum –
> Harvard Gazette
>
> https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2019/01/harvard-works-to-embed-ethics-in-computer-science-curriculum/
>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 8:01 PM Yosem Companys (via cpsr-activists
> list)  wrote:
>
>> Wow, I'd love to see that, even if for historical reasons...
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 6:33 PM Jeff Johnson (via cpsr-activists
>> list)  wrote:
>>
>>> CPSR Folks,
>>>
>>> I seem to recall that educators in CPSR developed a “Socially
>>> Responsible Computing” curriculum for college courses.  Am I remembering
>>> correctly?  If so, please refresh my memory, or point me to anything 
>>> online
>>> about it.  Of course, it probably is decades old.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jeff Johnson
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Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

[Doug Schuler]

I probably shouldn't have dragged Dick's name into this but here's my take
on what he was saying.

IF the ethics / social responsibility material presented in college is
relegated to a single, required course (and is not integrated with more
technical material throughout) then it likely to be disparaged by students
and teachers alike in the department — and thereby have little effect.

This is evidence from many many years ago but the engineers I worked with
at Boeing who had had an ethics course acted like it was total BS, a waste
of time, and not their concern. I'm not saying that they all felt this way
but their views seemed to be fairly commonplace — which is why I thought
that Dick's comments were probably pretty relevant.

— Doug





On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 9:34 PM Yosem Companys  wrote:

> Why did he think it was a bad idea?
>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 9:29 PM Doug Schuler <
> doug...@publicsphereproject.org> wrote:
>
>> Good info!
>>
>> I had been talking to Dick Sclove about this recently and he said that
>> adding ethics or social responsibility as a class that graduates had to
>> take was essentially a bad idea. Louis Bucciarelli  apparently was using
>> this in the engineering department at MIT.
>>
>> I wonder if this approach is being taken in any other CS departments.
>>
>> — Doug
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 8:55 PM Paul (via cpsr-activists list)
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> speaking of curriculum:
>>> Harvard works to embed ethics in computer science curriculum – Harvard
>>> Gazette
>>>
>>> https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2019/01/harvard-works-to-embed-ethics-in-computer-science-curriculum/
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 8:01 PM Yosem Companys (via cpsr-activists list)
>>>  wrote:
>>>
 Wow, I'd love to see that, even if for historical reasons...

 On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 6:33 PM Jeff Johnson (via cpsr-activists list)
  wrote:

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>
> I seem to recall that educators in CPSR developed a “Socially
> Responsible Computing” curriculum for college courses.  Am I remembering
> correctly?  If so, please refresh my memory, or point me to anything 
> online
> about it.  Of course, it probably is decades old.
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

[RICHARD BROOKS]

ABET accreditation requirements include ethics and some type of
contemporary issues awareness. This has to be addressed in the curriculum
in at least one course.

This can be, does not have to be, a separate course. It can be more
effective as part of another course.

To be accredited, the department has to show the accreditation authorities
that this requirement is fulfilled.

On 5:02AM, Fri, Feb 1, 2019 Daniel Bosk  On Thu 31 Jan 2019 21:28:53 GMT, Doug Schuler wrote:
> > I had been talking to Dick Sclove about this recently and he said that
> > adding ethics or social responsibility as a class that graduates had to
> > take was essentially a bad idea. Louis Bucciarelli  apparently was using
> > this in the engineering department at MIT.
> >
> > I wonder if this approach is being taken in any other CS departments.
>
> Not as a class. But it's definitely part of the courses in a programme.
> For instance, I start my Computer Security course with a seminar on such
> a topic. Instruction here:
>
>
> https://github.com/OpenSecEd/ethics/releases/download/v1.1/security-society-seminar.pdf
>
> This is actually motivated by the Swedish Qualifications Ordinance [1],
> which regulates requirements for academic degrees in Sweden. Already at
> Bachelor level we have:
>
>   For a Degree of Bachelor the student shall
>
>   - demonstrate the ability to make assessments in the main field of
> study informed by relevant disciplinary, social and ethical issues
>
>   - demonstrate insight into the role of knowledge in society and the
> responsibility of the individual for how it is used
>
>   [...]
>
>   For a Degree of Bachelor of Science in Engineering the student shall
>
>   - demonstrate the ability to make assessments informed by relevant
> disciplinary, social and ethical aspects
>
>   - demonstrate insight into the possibilities and limitations of
> technology, its role in society and the responsibility of the
> individual for how it is used, including social and economic aspects
> as well as environmental and occupational health and safety aspects,
>
> And then it increases the requirements for Masters and PhDs.
>
> [1]:
> https://www.uhr.se/en/start/laws-and-regulations/Laws-and-regulations/The-Higher-Education-Ordinance/Annex-2/
>
> > On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 8:55 PM Paul (via cpsr-activists list)
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > speaking of curriculum:
> > > Harvard works to embed ethics in computer science curriculum – Harvard
> > > Gazette
> > >
> > >
> https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2019/01/harvard-works-to-embed-ethics-in-computer-science-curriculum/
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 8:01 PM Yosem Companys (via cpsr-activists
> list)
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Wow, I'd love to see that, even if for historical reasons...
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 6:33 PM Jeff Johnson (via cpsr-activists list)
> > >>  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> CPSR Folks,
> > >>>
> > >>> I seem to recall that educators in CPSR developed a “Socially
> > >>> Responsible Computing” curriculum for college courses.  Am I
> remembering
> > >>> correctly?  If so, please refresh my memory, or point me to anything
> online
> > >>> about it.  Of course, it probably is decades old.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>> Jeff Johnson
> > >>> 
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Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

[Daniel Bosk]

On Thu 31 Jan 2019 21:28:53 GMT, Doug Schuler wrote:
> I had been talking to Dick Sclove about this recently and he said that
> adding ethics or social responsibility as a class that graduates had to
> take was essentially a bad idea. Louis Bucciarelli  apparently was using
> this in the engineering department at MIT.
> 
> I wonder if this approach is being taken in any other CS departments.
 
Not as a class. But it's definitely part of the courses in a programme. 
For instance, I start my Computer Security course with a seminar on such 
a topic. Instruction here:

  
https://github.com/OpenSecEd/ethics/releases/download/v1.1/security-society-seminar.pdf

This is actually motivated by the Swedish Qualifications Ordinance [1], 
which regulates requirements for academic degrees in Sweden. Already at 
Bachelor level we have:

  For a Degree of Bachelor the student shall

  - demonstrate the ability to make assessments in the main field of 
study informed by relevant disciplinary, social and ethical issues

  - demonstrate insight into the role of knowledge in society and the 
responsibility of the individual for how it is used

  [...]

  For a Degree of Bachelor of Science in Engineering the student shall

  - demonstrate the ability to make assessments informed by relevant 
disciplinary, social and ethical aspects

  - demonstrate insight into the possibilities and limitations of 
technology, its role in society and the responsibility of the 
individual for how it is used, including social and economic aspects 
as well as environmental and occupational health and safety aspects,

And then it increases the requirements for Masters and PhDs.

[1]: 
https://www.uhr.se/en/start/laws-and-regulations/Laws-and-regulations/The-Higher-Education-Ordinance/Annex-2/

> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 8:55 PM Paul (via cpsr-activists list)
>  wrote:
> 
> > speaking of curriculum:
> > Harvard works to embed ethics in computer science curriculum – Harvard
> > Gazette
> >
> > https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2019/01/harvard-works-to-embed-ethics-in-computer-science-curriculum/
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 8:01 PM Yosem Companys (via cpsr-activists list)
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> Wow, I'd love to see that, even if for historical reasons...
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 6:33 PM Jeff Johnson (via cpsr-activists list)
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> CPSR Folks,
> >>>
> >>> I seem to recall that educators in CPSR developed a “Socially
> >>> Responsible Computing” curriculum for college courses.  Am I remembering
> >>> correctly?  If so, please refresh my memory, or point me to anything 
> >>> online
> >>> about it.  Of course, it probably is decades old.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Jeff Johnson
> >>> 
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[Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes]

Well, I was certainly surprised and encouraged when a while back I received 
this booklet in the mail: The “ACM Code of Ethics and Professional Conduct!”

Regards / Saludos / Grato

Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes

> On Jan 31, 2019, at 11:34 PM, Yosem Companys  wrote:
> 
> Why did he think it was a bad idea?
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 9:29 PM Doug Schuler 
>>  wrote:
>> Good info!
>> 
>> I had been talking to Dick Sclove about this recently and he said that 
>> adding ethics or social responsibility as a class that graduates had to take 
>> was essentially a bad idea. Louis Bucciarelli  apparently was using this in 
>> the engineering department at MIT.
>> 
>> I wonder if this approach is being taken in any other CS departments.
>> 
>> — Doug
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 8:55 PM Paul (via cpsr-activists list) 
>>>  wrote:
>>> speaking of curriculum:
>>> Harvard works to embed ethics in computer science curriculum – Harvard 
>>> Gazette
>>> https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2019/01/harvard-works-to-embed-ethics-in-computer-science-curriculum/
>>> 
 On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 8:01 PM Yosem Companys (via cpsr-activists list) 
  wrote:
 Wow, I'd love to see that, even if for historical reasons...
 
> On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 6:33 PM Jeff Johnson (via cpsr-activists list) 
>  wrote:
> CPSR Folks,
> 
> I seem to recall that educators in CPSR developed a “Socially Responsible 
> Computing” curriculum for college courses.  Am I remembering correctly?  
> If so, please refresh my memory, or point me to anything online about it. 
>  Of course, it probably is decades old.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jeff Johnson
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Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

[Doug Schuler]

Good info!

I had been talking to Dick Sclove about this recently and he said that
adding ethics or social responsibility as a class that graduates had to
take was essentially a bad idea. Louis Bucciarelli  apparently was using
this in the engineering department at MIT.

I wonder if this approach is being taken in any other CS departments.

— Doug



On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 8:55 PM Paul (via cpsr-activists list)
 wrote:

> speaking of curriculum:
> Harvard works to embed ethics in computer science curriculum – Harvard
> Gazette
>
> https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2019/01/harvard-works-to-embed-ethics-in-computer-science-curriculum/
>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 8:01 PM Yosem Companys (via cpsr-activists list)
>  wrote:
>
>> Wow, I'd love to see that, even if for historical reasons...
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 6:33 PM Jeff Johnson (via cpsr-activists list)
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> CPSR Folks,
>>>
>>> I seem to recall that educators in CPSR developed a “Socially
>>> Responsible Computing” curriculum for college courses.  Am I remembering
>>> correctly?  If so, please refresh my memory, or point me to anything online
>>> about it.  Of course, it probably is decades old.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jeff Johnson
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Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

[Yosem Companys]

Why did he think it was a bad idea?

On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 9:29 PM Doug Schuler <
doug...@publicsphereproject.org> wrote:

> Good info!
>
> I had been talking to Dick Sclove about this recently and he said that
> adding ethics or social responsibility as a class that graduates had to
> take was essentially a bad idea. Louis Bucciarelli  apparently was using
> this in the engineering department at MIT.
>
> I wonder if this approach is being taken in any other CS departments.
>
> — Doug
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 8:55 PM Paul (via cpsr-activists list)
>  wrote:
>
>> speaking of curriculum:
>> Harvard works to embed ethics in computer science curriculum – Harvard
>> Gazette
>>
>> https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2019/01/harvard-works-to-embed-ethics-in-computer-science-curriculum/
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 8:01 PM Yosem Companys (via cpsr-activists list)
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, I'd love to see that, even if for historical reasons...
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 6:33 PM Jeff Johnson (via cpsr-activists list)
>>>  wrote:
>>>
 CPSR Folks,

 I seem to recall that educators in CPSR developed a “Socially
 Responsible Computing” curriculum for college courses.  Am I remembering
 correctly?  If so, please refresh my memory, or point me to anything online
 about it.  Of course, it probably is decades old.

 Thanks,
 Jeff Johnson
 
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