Re: [OT] SVN commercial support

2007-10-11 Thread Amos Shapira
On 11/10/2007, Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/10/2007, Leonid Podolny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, My employer considers switching CM (i.e. source control) system. The current favorite in the race is ClearCase. Previously, at my previous place of work, we worked with

Re: [OT] SVN commercial support

2007-10-11 Thread Amos Shapira
On 11/10/2007, Jonathan Ben Avraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Amos, There is no built-in development framework in SVN like there is in ClearCase UCM. With SVN you can role your own development framework using the hooks, but that's very different from having one ready-made for you. IMHO the

Re: [OT] SVN commercial support

2007-10-11 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
On 10/11/07, Jonathan Ben Avraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no built-in development framework in SVN like there is in ClearCase UCM. Agreed, but you've also mentioned that developers rarely take the time to understand ClearCase. In the army, we also tried to implement UCM (the

Re: [OT] SVN commercial support

2007-10-11 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi! On Thursday 11 October 2007, Amos Shapira wrote: On 10/10/2007, Leonid Podolny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, My employer considers switching CM (i.e. source control) system. The current favorite in the race is ClearCase. Previously, at my previous place of work, we worked with

Re: [OT] SVN commercial support

2007-10-11 Thread Jonathan Ben Avraham
Subject: Re: [OT] SVN commercial support On 10/11/07, Jonathan Ben Avraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no built-in development framework in SVN like there is in ClearCase UCM. Agreed, but you've also mentioned that developers rarely take the time to understand ClearCase. In the army, we also

Re: [OT] SVN commercial support

2007-10-11 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Amos Shapira wrote: Finally, I heard from people who worked at CheckPoint (Shachar? not sure, I knew a few) I joined CheckPoint when they had just started talking about migrating to ClearCase (from CVS). I left CheckPoint (two years and three months later) at about the point where ClearCase

[OT] SVN commercial support

2007-10-10 Thread Leonid Podolny
Hi, My employer considers switching CM (i.e. source control) system. The current favorite in the race is ClearCase. Previously, at my previous place of work, we worked with Subversion, and it was simply amazing -- light, simple, yet powerful. (And infinitely cheaper, of course.) The basic

Re: [OT] SVN commercial support

2007-10-10 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Wednesday 10 October 2007, Leonid Podolny wrote: Hi, My employer considers switching CM (i.e. source control) system. The current favorite in the race is ClearCase. Previously, at my previous place of work, we worked with Subversion, and it was simply amazing -- light, simple, yet

Re: [OT] SVN commercial support

2007-10-10 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
On 10/10/07, Leonid Podolny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Previously, at my previous place of work, we worked with Subversion, and it was simply amazing -- light, simple, yet powerful. (And infinitely cheaper, of course.) I agree. I haven't worked with next-gen SCMs (git etc.) but Subversion, for

Re: [OT] SVN commercial support

2007-10-10 Thread Kfir Lavi
Technically, this is not true. ClearCase is more sophisticated. In addition to barebones SCM, it offers a development workflow (called UCM) integrating with their issue-tracking (ClearQuest), dynamic views, IDE integration and some more features -- but this comes at a price of very bad

Re: [OT] SVN commercial support

2007-10-10 Thread Amos Shapira
On 10/10/2007, Leonid Podolny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, My employer considers switching CM (i.e. source control) system. The current favorite in the race is ClearCase. Previously, at my previous place of work, we worked with Subversion, and it was simply amazing -- .. Any suggestions or

Re: [OT] SVN commercial support

2007-10-10 Thread Jonathan Ben Avraham
to the advantages that it offers. Regards, - yba On Wed, 10 Oct 2007, Leonid Podolny wrote: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:22:38 +0200 From: Leonid Podolny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il Subject: [OT] SVN commercial support Hi, My employer considers switching CM (i.e. source

Re: [OT] SVN commercial support

2007-10-10 Thread Amos Shapira
On 11/10/2007, Jonathan Ben Avraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: developers working in one location. Once you go above that number there begin to be project management issues such as the need to lock down branches, define releases and other build types, and impose development discipline. This is

Re: [OT] SVN commercial support

2007-10-10 Thread Jonathan Ben Avraham
+ From: Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il Subject: Re: [OT] SVN commercial support On 11/10/2007, Jonathan Ben Avraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: developers working in one location. Once you go above that number there begin to be project management issues

Re: [OT] SVN commercial support

2007-10-10 Thread Leonid Podolny
Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote: If you do not have at least 30 developers then the admin overhead that ClearCase requires will be very expensive for you in relation to the advantages that it offers. Regards, We have 5 times this amount. So, from reading at this list I begin to think that I'm