On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 15:24, Steve Brorens wrote:
Maybe this is too simplistic, but how about
configure --prefix=/usr
Not at all, exactly what I had in mind (last time round I
hadn't twigged that it would default to /usr/local).
However, I'm also planning to do rpm -e perl first to
this has been bugging me all afternoon. it would appear we're both
partly wrong. i didn't take into account the different number of leap
days between 1900 and 1934 (8) [1], and 1970 and 2004 (9) so that brings
us to the same day. your method is altered by being wrapped by nzdt
(made later
At 2004-10-19T18:41:02+1300, Steve Holdoway wrote:
Mind you, for 10 points, how many people can remember the original use
for the sticky bit on a regular file ( not a directory )???
There's a discussion of the history of the sticky bit in the man page
for chmod(1), so it's not exactly a ten
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:45, Roger Searle wrote:
this has been bugging me all afternoon. it would appear we're both
partly wrong. i didn't take into account the different number of leap
days between 1900 and 1934 (8) [1], and 1970 and 2004 (9) so that brings
us to the same day. your method is
At 2004-10-19T20:45:59+1300, Roger Searle wrote:
this has been bugging me all afternoon. it would appear we're both
partly wrong.
Given a time in seconds since Epoch, you'd generally want to know what
time it was in your local time zone. It is fairly clear from my post,
or given basic
On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 20:45, Roger Searle wrote:
this has been bugging me all afternoon. it would appear we're both
partly wrong. i didn't take into account the different number of leap
days between 1900 and 1934 (8) [1], and 1970 and 2004 (9) so that brings
us to the same day. your
On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 13:57, Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
The Linux choice is yours and as said depend on your skill, internet
connection and personal taste... I can supply just about any version of
SuSE (incl DVDs), others can supply gentoo and Mandrake. Red Hat no
longer exists, and I haven't
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:10:08 +1300, Steve Brorens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, I do know that moving to a 'meta-distribution' like Gentoo would
solve this problem, but I'm a bit hazy on how I might remotely upgrade a
stack of sites from RH9 to Gentoo over ssh :-)
FWIW
wget your stage
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:46:37 +1300
Chad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also has any one had any experience with Athlon64 laptops or at least
Athlon based laptops also any experience with ATI based Mobility GPU's
(9600, 9700) and 3D under linux would be appreciated.
I am running Libranet 2.8
On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:31:39 +1300
Kevin Cosgrove [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Unfortuately I Live in Dunedin. If I lived in Christchurch I
Fortunately, I live in Dunedin.
Do you fancy a discussion over a beer or two? I have a happy history
with Windows, and I'm not a Linux zealot - in fact,
I'd recomend having a look at http://www.pricespy.co.nz they the current
prices for about 40 of the New Zealand online Computer shops.
As for Distro's Mandrake or SUSE are probably best for Desktop use especially
for Multimedia. I personally favour Mandrake but either will do.
Chad
On
ahh! thanks to all who replied setting me straight and clarifying my
obvious confusion. more good learning for me.
roger
Nick Rout wrote:
On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 20:45, Roger Searle wrote:
this has been bugging me all afternoon. it would appear we're both
partly wrong. i didn't take into
On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:19:56 +1200, Christopher Sawtell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 20:55, Rik Tindall wrote:
Hi folks,
Can anyone please recommend a service agent for the above laptop
systems?
IBM themselves are the consumate service company.
0800-801-800
www.whitepages.co.nz
Carl Cerecke wrote:
snip
Perhaps Rik's push for the CLUG to be something else (I'm really not
sure what, exactly) is caused by his conflict of interest (he makes
money supporting Linux).
I disagree that Rik's trying to make money from Linux is in any way a
conflict of interest.
We need to
Robert Fisher wrote:
Further (clarification) to my motion yesterday, I would like to make the analogy of
CLUG as a family.
I.E.
The rules are unwritten.
We respect each other.
If a brother pisses us off we can politely tell him (but we still love him).
If the family really pisses us off we do not
On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 18:41, Steve Holdoway wrote:
There's nothing particularly tricky with the special stuff, you just
need a deeper understanding of security, which is *always* a good idea
on a multi-user operating system.
I agree that learning how security works on a multi-user system is
Zane Gilmore wrote:
Carl Cerecke wrote:
snip
Perhaps Rik's push for the CLUG to be something else (I'm really not
sure what, exactly) is caused by his conflict of interest (he makes
money supporting Linux).
I disagree that Rik's trying to make money from Linux is in any way a
conflict of
On Wed 20 Oct 2004 09:30:46 NZDT +1300, Zane Gilmore wrote:
We need to encourage people to make a living from Linux.
And that's why you always disliked SuSE, because they were trying to
make money from it???
Volker
--
Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in
On my gentoo system I finally changed my desktop at home from xfree to
xorg-x11 last night.
i now have xorg-x11-6.8.0 on an athlon 1133 with an nvidia GeForce2
MX/MX 400 using nvidia-kernel-1.0.6111. I log into X using kdm.
the box fired up X straight away no problems after deleting xfree
Rik's posts simply are not clear enough for me to understand. Perhaps
others fare better.
Cheers,
Carl.
[Robert Fisher]
No Carl, you are not the only one who struggles with Rik's use of the
language sometimes.
Rik Tindall wrote:
..What, and you aren't making money from Linux skills?
If Linux disappeared from the world tomorrow, I would still be writing
Java code. You wouldn't have a job. You rely on Linux, I don't. But
that's beside the point.
If making money from Linux becomes your primary
On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 17:46, Chad wrote:
Just wondering if any ones had any experience here with ASUS Laptops,
especially with regards to running linux on them?
Just get one with shiteloads of memory. 512MB is just enough :)
Vik :v)
Avoid analogies like the plague.
Here is an extract from my post at
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=158911postdays=0postorder=ascsta
rt=150
...I notice now though, that I do not have a file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
(even though everything seems to work). Do I still need to
copy /etc/X11/XF86Config to
Nick Rout wrote:
On my gentoo system I finally changed my desktop at home from xfree to
xorg-x11 last night.
i now have xorg-x11-6.8.0 on an athlon 1133 with an nvidia GeForce2
MX/MX 400 using nvidia-kernel-1.0.6111. I log into X using kdm.
the box fired up X straight away no problems after
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:31:31 +1300, Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rik's posts simply are not clear enough for me to understand. Perhaps
others fare better.
Cheers,
Carl.
[Robert Fisher]
No Carl, you are not the only one who struggles with Rik's use of the
language
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:41, Gareth Williams wrote:
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:10:08 +1300, Steve Brorens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, I do know that moving to a 'meta-distribution' like Gentoo would
solve this problem, but I'm a bit hazy on how I might remotely upgrade a
stack of sites from RH9
Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
On Wed 20 Oct 2004 09:30:46 NZDT +1300, Zane Gilmore wrote:
We need to encourage people to make a living from Linux.
And that's why you always disliked SuSE, because they were trying to
make money from it???
Volker,
I never disliked it.
I didn't know enough about it to
Christopher Sawtell said:
...I'd not try to install Gentoo on anything much slower that a 600MHZ
P/III.
...I wouldn't do this just for the sake of it, there would have to be
a
compelling reason...
No compelling reason other than nostelga for The Gentoo Way wrt updates
(my work
machine has
This is a call for volunteers to assist at the fix-up evening at the St.
Albans Community Centre on:
Wednesday 27th October 2004 at 7:30pm
We have the following requests for assistance so far:
Barry:
Mandrake 8.2
Setting up X to give me resolution options other than 1024x768 (tried
M10, the
As those who have been reading will know, there is a dual purpose
meeting planned as follows:
Place:
==
St Albans Community Resource Centre
1074 Colombo Street, Christchurch.
(former St Albans Library)
Time Date:
===
7.30 pm on Wednesday 27 October 2004
I want to emphasise that
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:08:42 +1300, Carl Cerecke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Zane Gilmore wrote:
Carl Cerecke wrote:
snip
Perhaps Rik's push for the CLUG to be something else (I'm really not
sure what, exactly) is caused by his conflict of interest (he makes
money supporting Linux).
I disagree
This presents good, philosophical questions.
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:20:40 +1300, Carl Cerecke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Rik Tindall wrote:
..What, and you aren't making money from Linux skills?
If Linux disappeared from the world tomorrow, I would still be writing
Java code. You wouldn't have a
Well, that depends what Rik is trying to do with the CLUG. Frankly, I
don't really understand his posts. Nevertheless, he is open to the
accusation of trying to reshape the CLUG for his own business interests.
(I'm not saying this is his intention. I don't know what his intentions
Well, you read as the theoretical brains behind it, for sure - the
'minister of propaganda' (? :)
certainly our history-bearer
..whereas Nick is the 'ringmaster' of this particular circus
- read that as you must ;)
suggested procmail recipe:
:0:
*^(From)[EMAIL PROTECTED]
/dev/null
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:31:31 +1300, Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rik's posts simply are not clear enough for me to understand. Perhaps
others fare better.
Cheers,
Carl.
[Robert Fisher]
No Carl, you are not the only one who struggles with Rik's use of the
language
At 2004-10-20T15:55:16+1300, Rik Tindall wrote:
And this also explains why C*LUG is so tied up in itself - myopic,
one-eyed *nixism can get us nowhere.
Suggesting that all of the members of this list are tied up within
themselves, myopic, and one-eyed is ridiculous and insulting.
Aside from
At 2004-10-19T14:29:21+1300, Michael JasonSmith wrote:
I would be interested in the reasons that you would choose Fedora Core
over SuSE. I use Fedora Core exclusively (now) but that is partly out
of familiarity and a deep affection for GNOME :)
- Lack of a public bug database
- Questionable
Thanks for your patience,
Rik
[Robert Fisher]
It's running out though.
I had sort-of hoped that my motion and the apparent support it got would
have curtailed this thread.
Rob
What distro are you wanting to put on it?
Gentoo, Mandrake :) or both though SUSE 9.2 (when it's out) might be an
for gentoo check out this amd64 page:
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=221361
emerge these if u want to use a 32bit binary:
Re: ClUG aims and objectives.
As I understand it the groups PRIME purpose is the sharing information
supporting and help fellow Linux Users/Enthusiasts.
IE cooperatively learning about and supporting Linux users
this in my opinion has been the basis of most Linux
user groups I have observed.
Maybe someone should start up a *new* list called
PoUG. Politics of User Groups.
Lets stop with the rash generlisations aye?
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:34:16 +1300, Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks for your patience,
Rik
[Robert Fisher]
It's running out though.
Hi.
In around three weeks from now I'll be doing some postal mail-outs and
fax-outs to an approx 250 record client database.
I'm looking for recommendations of some good linux customer contact
software or CRM software with a backend SQL database.
If the contact / CRM software can do mail
searching crm in freshmeat brings up 47 responses [1], good luck with
sorting through them :)
I suspect people do a lot of self building of this sort of database,
with a lot of script glue to tie various things together.
sorry thats not a lot of help, but of you find any really good stuff let
us
Can't comment on most of your other points, but
- If you don't have a support contract and find a bug in their product
that you want to report (even if you personally need it fixed), there
doesn't seem to be a way to report it
every single rpm, and the web site, mentions
CRM = Customer Relationship Manglement^W err, Management?
Is three weeks enough time to roll your own?
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:06:51 +1300, Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
searching crm in freshmeat brings up 47 responses [1], good luck with
sorting through them :)
I suspect people do a
Thankyou Nick,
for providing code equivalent (repeat) of your ignore rule re my views.
(it is funny too :)
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:11:46 +1300, Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, you read as the theoretical brains behind it, for sure - the
'minister of propaganda' (? :)
certainly our
--- Apologies for gmail header
Rik,
I always saw the CLUG as an online list of people with shared
interests in Linux / OSS software. The meetings are the same:
gatherings of like-minded linux oss geeks. Newbies are welcome because
soon they become compenent users and so on, then we can all
Phill Coxon wrote:
In around three weeks from now I'll be doing some postal mail-outs and
fax-outs to an approx 250 record client database.
I'm looking for recommendations of some good linux customer contact
software or CRM software with a backend SQL database.
Hmm, i seem to remember
After a bugger of an afternoon I finally have the new 2.6.9 installed.
For some reason the sysfs lookups failed so the kernel did not find hda2
(the root partition) and the error-message
VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
resulted. Fantastic. The incantation
At 2004-10-20T17:09:48+1300, Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
- If you don't have a support contract and find a bug in their product
that you want to report (even if you personally need it fixed), there
doesn't seem to be a way to report it
Oops, I don't think I finished writing this sentence.
Haha. Yeah, forgot about the PASS system Rex.
I'm sure I have the code stored around here somewhere and I will take a
look at it over the next week or two.
At the moment I'm interested in find a solution that uses existing
available software so I can document it for the benefit of others.
Being that you didnt give any info re what exactly you did to upgrade
the kernel on the formentioned OS it is rather hard for anyone to give
advise in correcting the issue .
Dale.
Michael JasonSmith wrote:
After a bugger of an afternoon I finally have the new 2.6.9 installed.
For some reason
On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 17:47, Dale Anderson wrote:
Being that you didnt give any info re what exactly you did to upgrade
the kernel on the formentioned OS it is rather hard for anyone to give
advise in correcting the issue .
I wasn't really looking for advice :) I was venting and it is now
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:56, Phill Coxon wrote:
Hi.
In around three weeks from now I'll be doing some postal mail-outs and
fax-outs to an approx 250 record client database.
The sendfax sub-system of Gert Doering's mgetty package is very effective for
sending faxes. I have used it, and it does
Rex Johnston wrote:
Nick Rout wrote:
On my gentoo system I finally changed my desktop at home from xfree to
xorg-x11 last night.
i now have xorg-x11-6.8.0 on an athlon 1133 with an nvidia GeForce2
MX/MX 400 using nvidia-kernel-1.0.6111. I log into X using kdm.
the box fired up X straight away no
Michael JasonSmith wrote:
On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 17:47, Dale Anderson wrote:
Being that you didnt give any info re what exactly you did to upgrade
the kernel on the formentioned OS it is rather hard for anyone to give
advise in correcting the issue .
I wasn't really looking for advice :)
Michael JasonSmith wrote:
[snip]
As an aside, the Solaris man-page for chmod has 1521 words by my count,
while the Linux man page for chmod only has 752. Not good or bad
(ducking from the Wrath of Glynn), just different ;)
1531 for Sol 9 on sparc (: Interestingly, slackware comes in at 868,
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:39, Steve Holdoway wrote:
Michael JasonSmith wrote:
On Wed, 2004-10-20 at 17:47, Dale Anderson wrote:
Being that you didnt give any info re what exactly you did to upgrade
the kernel on the formentioned OS it is rather hard for anyone to give
advise in correcting the
A *very* well thought out post which I agree with 100% - the Wellington
LUG _has_ gone political which is why I no longer have anything to do
with it and I'd hate to see the same thing happen to another LUG,
remember that the key to any LUG is its USERS and it is these that it
should be
At 2004-10-20T18:39:51+1300, Steve Holdoway wrote:
no, no, no! That's for a 2.4.x kernel.
True, but the old way still works just fine.
BTW... you don't use nVidia drivers, do you? I tried the 2.6.9-pre4
kernel with version 6111, and it wouldn't build.
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