On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 22:17:58 -0700 - Philip J. Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Re: OT: Here we go again ...
There are many millions of such good Muslims.
Such examples are about as useful as characterizing the guys who go
around assassinating family-planning doctors as good
On 18 Sep 2003 at 18:59, dep boldly uttered:
quoth Philip J. Koenig:
| On 18 Sep 2003 at 10:56, Collins Richey boldly uttered:
| Homeland Security is scarcely the same as the Nazi SS. Where and
| when, pray tell, have they descended upon any innocent group of
| citizens, knocking heads
On 18 Sep 2003 at 17:38, Collins Richey boldly uttered:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:59:46 -0400
dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
quoth Philip J. Koenig:
| On 18 Sep 2003 at 10:56, Collins Richey boldly uttered:
| Homeland Security is scarcely the same as the Nazi SS. Where and
| when, pray
quoth Philip J. Koenig:
| [END OF CITATIONS]
ah. one a.p. story citing one congressman and two some guy said
quotes.
| Open mouth, insert foot.
your choice.
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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 07:46:44 -0400
dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
quoth Philip J. Koenig:
| [END OF CITATIONS]
ah. one a.p. story citing one congressman and two some guy said
quotes.
| Open mouth, insert foot.
your choice.
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Don't waste bandwidth, Philip, DEP is always
Terence McCarthy wrote:
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 07:46:44 -0400
dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
quoth Philip J. Koenig:
| [END OF CITATIONS]
ah. one a.p. story citing one congressman and two some guy said
quotes.
| Open mouth, insert foot.
your choice.
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Don't waste bandwidth, Philip,
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 11:37:54 -0400
dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
for a touch of perspective:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/roeser/cst-edt-roes20.html
Thanks for the reference. One of the most credible lines is this:
The feds distinguish between ''credible'' and true. Now, if only the New
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 10:53:46 -0400
dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
in the immortal words of murray gell-mann, if i have seen farther than
others it is because i'm surrounded by midgets.
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dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat, 20 Sep 2003 11:37:54 -0400
for a touch of perspective:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/roeser/cst-edt-roes20.html
My last comment on this topic.
I lived in Missouri while Ashcroft was Governor. I met him several
times working with youth in government. While Ashcroft
Shouldn't this thread be in linux-general?
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Alma J Wetzker wrote:
My concern is the steady encroachment of law against liberties that
has taken place over the past decade. With people afraid, our
liberties can dwindle faster, if we let them.
The concern should not be ashcroft or bush or the present, but rather
the possibilities for
Philip J. Koenig wrote:
On 18 Sep 2003 at 18:59, dep boldly uttered:
quoth Philip J. Koenig:
| On 18 Sep 2003 at 10:56, Collins Richey boldly uttered:
| Homeland Security is scarcely the same as the Nazi SS. Where and
| when, pray tell, have they descended upon any innocent group of
|
Geez, they just arrested a Muslim army Chaplain (West Point Grad,
Asian American, studied in Syria), who worked with the Muslims held in
Cuba. They are seeing spies under every bed, now.
BTW, a big difference between WWII and now is that German Americans were
strongly and DEMONSTRABLY supportive
On 20 Sep 2003 at 11:37, dep boldly uttered:
for a touch of perspective:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/roeser/cst-edt-roes20.html
I found little of interest in that article. Lots of accusations and
name-calling, an attempt to compare it to the FDR administration's
(probably misguided)
On 20 Sep 2003 at 18:36, Alma J Wetzker boldly uttered:
While Ashcroft is a political animal, he is also a man of deep
religous conviction
Yes. He's a Pentacostal, a fundamentalist christian sect which
believe in miraculous healing and speaking in tongues.
A little perspective on
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Philip J. Koenig wrote:
| On 20 Sep 2003 at 18:36, Alma J Wetzker boldly uttered:
|
|
| While Ashcroft is a political animal, he is also a man of deep
|religous conviction
|
|
|
| Yes. He's a Pentacostal, a fundamentalist christian sect which
|
On 20 Sep 2003 at 22:54, Joel Hammer boldly uttered:
Geez, they just arrested a Muslim army Chaplain (West Point Grad,
Asian American, studied in Syria), who worked with the Muslims held in
Cuba. They are seeing spies under every bed, now.
They say he had in his possession some
Kurt Wall wrote:
Quoth David A. Bandel:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 07:21:25 -0500
Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
Amen, brother. I thought we all served to prevent precisely this sort
of thing.
Kurt
Any of you older folks remember when 1984 came out and it was going to
be the Pinko
quoth Matthew Carpenter:
| They haven't drawn the conclusion that the initial outage was caused
| by it, but there are reports (computerworld I believe) that MSBlast
| was responsible for clogging the network pipe between power stations
| used to avoid the cascading effect. The cascade-avoidance
dep wrote:
so dealing with the microsoft problem *must* include some way of dealing
with the substantial financial problem that handling the software
problem would entail. it's easy to say screw 'em, but that aintagonna
happen. it's a real mess.
I'd be happy with a simple market-based response
Michael Hipp wrote:
the Edsel of software companies.
implies a lack of popularity as well as quality. Maybe a closer
comparison could be made to the Explorer with Firestone tires. However,
the scale is worldwide and permeates everywhere.
--
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quoth Michael Hipp:
| I'd be happy with a simple market-based response where the consumer
| (CEO, CIO on down to Joe PornSurfer) would decide to stop giving
| money to the Edsel of software companies.
|
| But I'm dreaming again. If that flagship of New Americanism (Dept. of
| Homeland Implosion)
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 07:21:25 -0500
Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
But I'm dreaming again. If that flagship of New Americanism (Dept. of
Homeland Implosion) can't see it, then likely will few others.
You're scary. Is this what Americans (US Citizens in this context)
think of
David A. Bandel wrote:
I'm sorry, but this abuse of power by power-hungry agencies is way
beyond reasonable. While I'm glad the bastard´s in jail, I'm extremely
unhappy with the way he got there. Welcome to the Police State of
America (where you might be next for using Linux instead of M$). I
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:34:28 -0500
David A. Bandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 07:21:25 -0500
Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
But I'm dreaming again. If that flagship of New Americanism (Dept. of
Homeland Implosion) can't see it, then likely will few
Quoth David A. Bandel:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 07:21:25 -0500
Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
But I'm dreaming again. If that flagship of New Americanism (Dept. of
Homeland Implosion) can't see it, then likely will few others.
You're scary. Is this what Americans (US
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003, Ted Ozolins wrote:
David A. Bandel wrote:
I'm sorry, but this abuse of power by power-hungry agencies is way
beyond reasonable. While I'm glad the bastard´s in jail, I'm extremely
unhappy with the way he got there. Welcome to the Police State of
America (where you might
mutilated misquotes
from Ted Ozolins's 18 Sep 2003 classic prose
may follow:
David A. Bandel wrote:
unhappy with the way he got there. Welcome to the Police State of
America
buying various surplus test equipmemt. Since the formation of the US SS
I outright refuse to travel south of
Quoth Collins Richey:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:34:28 -0500
David A. Bandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 07:21:25 -0500
Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
But I'm dreaming again. If that flagship of New Americanism (Dept. of
Homeland Implosion) can't
Kurt Wall wrote:
Quoth Collins Richey:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:34:28 -0500
David A. Bandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 07:21:25 -0500
Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
But I'm dreaming again. If that flagship of New Americanism (Dept. of
Homeland Implosion) can't see
R. Quenett wrote:
mutilated misquotes
from Ted Ozolins's 18 Sep 2003 classic prose
may follow:
David A. Bandel wrote:
unhappy with the way he got there. Welcome to the Police State of
America
buying various surplus test equipmemt. Since the formation of the US SS
I outright refuse to
Ted Ozolins wrote:
If that is granted then I feel sorry for
anyone with darker skin living in the USA for their rights will be shit on.
Yes. Or any of the other oppressible groups like, for example, white
males, gun owners, farmers, SUV drivers, conservative Christians,
hunters, fishermen,
It would be easy just to unload your MS stock. Apple, for example,
rose about 50% in the last several months. MS has been a laggard, and
promises to remain so. It is just too big to keep on growing.
Joel
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 08:16:17AM -0400, dep wrote:
quoth Matthew Carpenter:
| They
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 09:34:28AM -0500, David A. Bandel wrote:
You're scary. Is this what Americans (US Citizens in this context)
think of this Homeland Security thing? If so, holy fsck.
I hope you got to see the photo posted recently on Powerline from 9/11
of the man falling, rather
On 18 Sep 2003 at 10:56, Collins Richey boldly uttered:
Homeland Security is scarcely the same as the Nazi SS. Where and when, pray
tell, have they descended upon any innocent group of citizens, knocking heads
and breaking up property?
The US government has already been detaining people
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:59:46 -0400
dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
quoth Philip J. Koenig:
| On 18 Sep 2003 at 10:56, Collins Richey boldly uttered:
| Homeland Security is scarcely the same as the Nazi SS. Where and
| when, pray tell, have they descended upon any innocent group of
|
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 03:33:34PM -0700, Philip J. Koenig wrote:
There have actually been a number of politicians who have suggested
we need to re-institute internment camps, just like we had in WWII.
According to most historians, that was a pretty dark day in the US's
history, and here
David A. Bandel wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 07:21:25 -0500
Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
has looked and sounded like a
new Nazi SS. I didn't server 20 years in the US Military to have the US
turned into a police state, but it looks more and more like that every
day.
Ciao,
quoth Terry Bassett:
| It is more than chilling to watch Ascroft's sneering attitude as
| he gives his recent speeches. I don't want religious fanatics having
| so much power. I am of a mind that I should turn over America to my
| children as I found it, not this neo-America I live in
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 15:38, Michael Hipp wrote:
(I thought we were talking about Microsoft?)
Actually, we are.
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David A. Bandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:34:28 -0500
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 07:21:25 -0500
Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
But I'm dreaming again. If that flagship of New Americanism (Dept. of
Homeland Implosion) can't see it, then likely will few others.
You're scary.
Quoth Collins Richey:
[...]
My last post in this thread.
Except for the Oklahoma City incident, I can't think of a single terrorist
activity in the past 10 years that was not perpetrated by young Arab/Moslem
males. If the US government is detaining non-citizens of middle eastern
descent,
dep wrote:
quoth Terry Bassett:
| It is more than chilling to watch Ascroft's sneering attitude as...
providing some examples of
ashcroft's religious fanaticism -- i keep hearing about it and keep
watching for it, post-clinton, is isn't what is used to be...
Ah, sir your rapier wit
quoth Kurt Wall:
| How long before they come for *you*, Collins?
they did, and for you, too. on september 11, 2001. only he and you
weren't there.
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quoth Terry Bassett:
| Ah, sir your rapier wit pierces me mightily.
keep trying and you'll be able to do this, too. you're already halfway
there.
| But have you not heard
| Ashcroft speeches to church groups, professing to stop abortions on
| religious grounds, or perhaps that sounds
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:02:14 -0700
Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kurt Wall wrote:
Quoth Collins Richey:
[...]
My last post in this thread.
dito
Except for the Oklahoma City incident, I can't think of a single terrorist
activity in the past 10 years that was not
I am sending this to both lists due to the discussion not moving to 'general'
where it shouild be by now. Doubtless Doug will step in shortly and wield the
stick, or will Meinherr Kurt enbolden himself: befelen ist befelen grin.
Being that I am an Australian 'looking in', I think the term SS
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:56:38 -0600
Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Moving this to general list where it belongs. ;-)
[snip]
While I respect your opinion, I find it to be rather simplistic.
gee, thanx.
Here's my own. I wish that I lived in a time and place where Homeland
quoth Michael Hipp:
| http://apnews.excite.com/article/20030916/D7TJP93G0.html
|
| By TED BRIDIS
|
| WASHINGTON (AP) - Security researchers on Tuesday detected hackers
| distributing software to break into computers using flaws announced
| last week in some versions of Microsoft Corp. (MSFT)'s
Wouldn't it be great if people starting saying, enuf is enuf.
Maybe if people whose computers were cracked and taken over by hackers
faced legal sanctions (fines, suspension of service, etc.), they would
take responsibility to fix up their boxes. Now, the lazy bones (or is
it brain dead?) windows
On Wednesday 17 September 2003 18:38 pm, Joel Hammer wrote:
Wouldn't it be great if people starting saying, enuf is enuf.
Maybe if people whose computers were cracked and taken over by hackers
faced legal sanctions (fines, suspension of service, etc.), they would
take responsibility to fix up
They haven't drawn the conclusion that the initial outage was caused by it, but there
are reports (computerworld I believe) that MSBlast was responsible for clogging the
network pipe between power stations used to avoid the cascading effect. The
cascade-avoidance system simply couldn't do it's
Blaster Worm Linked to Severity of Blackout
http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/story/0,10801,84519,00.html
On the day of the blackout, Blaster degraded the performance of several
communications lines linking key data centers used by utility companies to manage the
power grid
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