elx news
elx now has a user group, but it's pretty well hidden on the home page. You need to follow the purchase link, then you will see mailing lists. Not a lot of traffic, yet -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX rc1 with xfce and sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: More ELX ramblings
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:50:58 -0700 Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the other strong points for ELX (IMHO) is that they include OpenOffice. Have you run AbiWord in elx? If so... Do you get a font error message about being unable to add it's fonts to the X font path? (elx rc2) -- Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Fw: ELX Linux Interview
FYI Begin forwarded message: Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 12:39:54 -0800 From: TApologist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: (none) Newsgroups: borland.public.kylix.non-technical Subject: ELX Linux Interview Paul and others have mentioned how much they like ELX Linux. Here's a link to an interview with the founder of ELX: http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT6850645834.html Enjoy. -- Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Elx Linux
Thanks Ken, I'll try that. Ray On 6 Feb 2002, at 20:53, Ken Moffat wrote: On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 20:38:33 -0800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am still having issues with the CD-RW and CD-R and Floppy drive and the locks. Once in a while I can get to them but then cannot unmount them as it thinks they are busy. I disabled supermount by changing the /etc/fstab lines, which cured my cd problems. Here are the new lines I use. /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom iso9660 defaults,user,rw,noauto 0 0/dev/cdrom1 /mnt/cdrom1 iso9660 defaults,user,rw,noauto 0 0/dev/floppy /mnt/floppy vfatdefaults,user,rw,noauto 0 0 I use append append=hdb=ide-scsi hdc=ide-scsi to enable my cd-rw and dvd for scsi emulation. This is mostly untested, but both show in cdrecord -scanbus -- Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. Ray Nancy Plummer Copper, Elektra WOK http://www.nanray.cjb.net/gsdped/gsdbintro.html ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: More ELX ramblings
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 04:23:56 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:50:58 -0700 Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the other strong points for ELX (IMHO) is that they include OpenOffice. Have you run AbiWord in elx? If so... Do you get a font error message about being unable to add it's fonts to the X font path? (elx rc2) -- Yes. But it appears to be a warning only. I like AbiWord, but I can never use it because there is no table support. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX rc1 with xfce and sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Elx Linux
On Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:05:16 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 3 Feb 2002 21:36:55 -0800 Mike Mckinlay mike@CX43837-A wrote: Folks: I hate sound like a newbie but, after hearing about Elx linux in a coupleof posts to the list I cruzed over to their web site to look them over and decided to give their latest beta release a spin and all I can say is WOW! Elx is good. A problem I've had is with supermount, which was causing excessive delays while searching for media in cd's and mounting file systems. So I change my /etc/fstab file to a conventional mount point for the cd's and floppy, which fixed that problem. The Samba networking works well with my win95 box. The eth0 setup was a breeze, and the scsi emulation for my cd's works well, just added appends to lilo.conf. I'd like a few more window managers included, (just kde and gnome). And I don't like the windows like addons (network neighborhood, control panel) which are repackaged webmin utilities. But overall I'm impressed. It works and it's quite fast on my Athlon 1.4. They use kernel 2.4.13. Kylix2 runs well. I had a problem with permissions for cd sound, but added my user to the disk group and fixed that. (Also changed permissions to 666 on /dev/dsp, don't know if that was necessary) Anyway it works. It's a bit large at 3+ megs for full install. Yep, it's great, and David Bandel appears to be the only one I've heard of who can't get it to run; surely he's not the only Athlon user. ELX is gathering momentum. I just read in an article on the Elx home page today We have a record that out of more than 40 thousand ELX users world wide, there is not even a single after-install crash problem reported so far...The current release of ELX (prel/rc2E) has no known bugs. That's a pretty impressive user count for a new distro. I've just completed moving my wife and daughter back to my K6/II 300 machine which has Win98 (it works) and blown away WinME (locked up continually) on the HP PIV/900 box. I've just reinstalled my ELX rc1 isos including the option to write to the mbr, and it works like a champ - everything operational except sound, and that's primarily a KDE problem, although the usual lack of permissionos on /dev/dsp didn't help. rant Why does every distro feel the need to secure secure the sound card! I don't really think the script kiddies are going to write .wav files to my sound card. /rant Now that I've put xfce and sylpheed back on the box, all I need to do is prune the forest of daemons again and put up a current kernel. Someone mentioned problems with letting ELX write to the MBR, but on this box even the ide-scsi append statement for my CD_R W was generated correctly. Normally I don't do that anyway, but this box was empty, so no harm done. ELX even properly detected and setup my brandx ethernet card (installed by ATT way back when) and didn't get tangled up by the presence of a second ethernet card in the box. Yes, the KDE menu is a little strange, but new-to-linux users wouldn't have a clue about this, so it's a big deal. I like having both kde and gnome available, for once in a blue moon. If they just included xfce and sylpheed, it would be perfect our of the box. Actually, with gnome its more than once in a blue moon, since I'm a died-in-the-wool galeon fan. Oh yes, CUPS and my printer (laserjet) are working just fine. I did have to do a little tinkering with my Intel I810 video card, but even this worked out of the install. So, another successful ELX install - just plain boring. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area ELX-rc1 with xfce and sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
More ELX ramblings
One of the other strong points for ELX (IMHO) is that they include OpenOffice. Now that I'm running a more up-to-date machine (900Mz, 256M), oo works like a dream. Only about 15-18 seconds startup time. Now I can type my daughter's homework tables and all without having to bring up MS Word. Now I can truly call this distro a Windows Killer. I can't think of much that I couldn't do in the way of office work with this distro. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX rc1 with xfce and sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Elx Linux
I have installed ELX Linux also. I am very impressed. At first I didn't think to much of the My Computer and the Network Neighborhood on the desktop but after playing around a little and using the different features of them, I found them rather handy. But then, I'm not a real dyed in the wool Linux user either. The one thing I found interesting is that I have 2 harddrives in the box. Elx installed on the proper drive but doesn't see the other drive (windows) so that I could mount the windows drive. Altho it did find the other 2 machines on my network (both Windows) and set them up with Samba. I am still having issues with the CD-RW and CD-R and Floppy drive and the locks. Once in a while I can get to them but then cannot unmount them as it thinks they are busy. Overall I would say its an excellent distro and would recommend it especially for Windows users who want to ease into a Linux enviornment. Ray Ray Nancy Plummer Copper, Elektra WOK http://www.nanray.cjb.net/gsdped/gsdbintro.html ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Elx Linux
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 20:38:33 -0800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am still having issues with the CD-RW and CD-R and Floppy drive and the locks. Once in a while I can get to them but then cannot unmount them as it thinks they are busy. I disabled supermount by changing the /etc/fstab lines, which cured my cd problems. Here are the new lines I use. /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom iso9660 defaults,user,rw,noauto 0 0/dev/cdrom1 /mnt/cdrom1 iso9660 defaults,user,rw,noauto 0 0/dev/floppy /mnt/floppy vfatdefaults,user,rw,noauto 0 0 I use append append=hdb=ide-scsi hdc=ide-scsi to enable my cd-rw and dvd for scsi emulation. This is mostly untested, but both show in cdrecord -scanbus -- Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Elx Linux
Folks: I hate sound like a newbie but, after hearing about Elx linux in a couple of posts to the list I cruzed over to their web site to look them over and decided to give their latest beta release a spin and all I can say is WOW! If this is a beta you can sure I'll be standing in line for the finished product. If your looking for a new distribution of Linux head of to their web site at http://www.elxlinux.com/; and see the good things their doing. Mike ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Elx Linux
On Sun, 3 Feb 2002 21:36:55 -0800 Mike Mckinlay mike@CX43837-A wrote: Folks: I hate sound like a newbie but, after hearing about Elx linux in a coupleof posts to the list I cruzed over to their web site to look them over and decided to give their latest beta release a spin and all I can say is WOW! If this is a beta you can sure I'll be standing in line for the finished product. If your looking for a new distribution of Linux head of to their web site at http://www.elxlinux.com/; and see the good things their doing. Mike Elx is good. A problem I've had is with supermount, which was causing excessive delays while searching for media in cd's and mounting file systems. So I change my /etc/fstab file to a conventional mount point for the cd's and floppy, which fixed that problem. The Samba networking works well with my win95 box. The eth0 setup was a breeze, and the scsi emulation for my cd's works well, just added appends to lilo.conf. I'd like a few more window managers included, (just kde and gnome). And I don't like the windows like addons (network neighborhood, control panel) which are repackaged webmin utilities. But overall I'm impressed. It works and it's quite fast on my Athlon 1.4. They use kernel 2.4.13. Kylix2 runs well. I had a problem with permissions for cd sound, but added my user to the disk group and fixed that. (Also changed permissions to 666 on /dev/dsp, don't know if that was necessary) Anyway it works. It's a bit large at 3+ megs for full install. -- Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: ELX linux (and Mandrake - sluggish?)
Was it [EMAIL PROTECTED] who wrote on Wednesday 09 January 2002 06:27: I thought it was a bit sluggish too. But not as sluggish as Mandrake 8.1 Was running on AMD K6 2-500 with 256MB ram on its own HD. On 8 Jan 2002, at 19:19, Ken Moffat wrote: Anyone trying ELX think it's a bit sluggish? (maybe it's because I have it about 40 gigs in to a 60 gig drive?) This trespasses on one of my pet hates. I'm told that linux is faster, runs the pc cooler, etc, etc. There's so many scripts in any distro that the time taken to run the stuff on my pc is drastic. I'm not in the super pc league (details below), but if things were compiled, instead of scripted, and if checks like (Is there scsi devices attached? Does Netscape exist? etc) were not made, these systems would fly AMD K6/2-3D 500 Mhz, 64MB SDRAM, 100 Mhz bus Via Apollo P5MPV3 chipset, Opti Mad 16 931 soundcard Video= AGP S3 Trio, w/8MB RAM, PS/2 mouse. Realtek 8029 pci bus network card. Award BIOS 56K external modem on /dev/ttyS1. PS/2 mouse. /dev/hda=2.5 Gig Maxtor 82560A4 drive(windoze 95) /dev/hdb=6.4 Gig Fujitsu MPC 3064AT Drive (boot, swap, root) Unused usb ports. -- Regards, Declan Moriarty Applied Researches - Ireland's Foremost Electronic Hardware Genius A Slightly Serious(TM) Company Experience is like a comb, that Life gives you - AFTER all your hair has fallen out! ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
ELX update
Well, after a nights rest, and rebooting, ELX seems to be running much better, not sluggish any more, and I'm starting to like it. It does have a windows like feel, too much for me, but you can still ignore that if you want, and it did a fine job of setting up with my hardware and networking with my old win95 box. (Played with samba for a while to get it set up). Kylix 2 OpenEdition runs well on it. Anyone tried Kylix1 on elx? I had a problem yesterday installing it, it stalled at building the font matrix. But maybe I'll try it again, since elx is running much better now. I do miss the choice of window managers on Libranet, which is my favorite distribution. IceWM, xfce, kde, gnome, enlightenment, windowmaker, blackbox, probably more I'm forgetting... Elx has kde, gnome, twm, period. -- Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ELX update
On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:34:17 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, after a nights rest, and rebooting, ELX seems to be running much better, not sluggish any more, and I'm starting to like it. It does have a windows like feel, too much for me, but you can still ignore that if you want, and it did a fine job of setting up with my hardware and networking with my old win95 box. (Played with samba for a while to get it set up). Kylix 2 OpenEdition runs well on it. Anyone tried Kylix1 on elx? I had a problem yesterday installing it, it stalled at building the font matrix. But maybe I'll try it again, since elx is running much better now.I do miss the choice of window managers on Libranet, which is my favorite distribution. IceWM, xfce, kde, gnome, enlightenment, windowmaker, blackbox, probably more I'm forgetting... Elx has kde, gnome, twm, period. I'm glad to hear that someone else was please with the elx distro. I think they did a fancy job. A simple visit to www.rpmfind.net and you can add xfce, etc. quite easily; just pick a Rehat type rpm compatible with your PC (I can't use 686, for example). sfce went in with no complaints. Once you have a new wm installed, you need to update /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession and /etc/kde/kdmrc to make the new session type available. Let me know if you need help. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 + xfce + sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
ELX linux
Anyone trying ELX think it's a bit sluggish? (maybe it's because I have it about 40 gigs in to a 60 gig drive?) -- Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ELX linux
I thought it was a bit sluggish too. But not as sluggish as Mandrake 8.1 Was running on AMD K6 2-500 with 256MB ram on its own HD. Ray On 8 Jan 2002, at 19:19, Ken Moffat wrote: Date sent: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:19:11 -0800 Anyone trying ELX think it's a bit sluggish? (maybe it's because I have it about 40 gigs in to a 60 gig drive?) -- Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Ray Nancy Plummer Copper, Elektra WOK http://www.nanray.cjb.net/gsdped/gsdbintro.html ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ELX iso's...ot
On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:52, lesley wrote: What is an ELX iso ??? Just to be very clear on what Collin's has said, an iso is shorthand for an image.iso. It is the contents of an entire, existing, cd. You can replicate a cd by burning it directly. It is not exclusively connected with ELX, but rather, the other way round, where whatever it is that's called ELX is on cd, and an iso image, or several iso images exist of it. There's also an interesting piece of technogeek here. Many of us may never have heard of an ELX distribution but instantly associate the words together as meaning just that. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
ELX
All in all elx seems quite full featured and stable so far. I'm not sure about the Windows knockoffs, but we'll see. Anyone have problems with the Mozilla and Galeon versions crashing on ELX? -- Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ELX
On Monday 07 January 2002 19:11, Ken Moffat wrote: All in all elx seems quite full featured and stable so far. I'm not sure about the Windows knockoffs, but we'll see. Anyone have problems with the Mozilla and Galeon versions crashing on ELX? Not really, I use galeon almost exclusively on elx. I had a few crashes on gentoo, but not even once a week. In their prime market (non-US), elx will probably have good luck pushing the Windows knockoffs. The move away from M$ products seems to be a lot stronger there. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 with KDE ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: ELX iso's...ot
What is an ELX iso ??? -Original Message- ·ol : Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ¶æ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ú : 2002N14ú 12:05 ¼ : Re: ELX iso's...ot On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:04:06 -0500 Jerry McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just ftp'ed the elx iso's for a cd customer of mine and I was wondering if anyone else may be interested in a copy? Seems to be spread across two cd images, got them both. Let me know asap, as I'm in the middle of burning stuff for tomorrow's post office visit... :') How do you still have a working [EMAIL PROTECTED] address? I thought all those were burned forever. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ELX iso's...ot
On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:22:35 +0900 lesley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is an ELX iso ??? -Original Message- _·_o_l : Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] _¶_æ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ú__ : 2002_N1__4_ú 12:05 ___¼ : Re: ELX iso's...ot On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:04:06 -0500 Jerry McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just ftp'ed the elx iso's for a cd customer of mine and I was wondering if anyone else may be interested in a copy? Seems to be spread across two cd images, got them both. Let me know asap, as I'm in the middle of burning stuff for tomorrow's post office visit... :') How do you still have a working [EMAIL PROTECTED] address? I thought all those were burned forever. Short for iso image. Each iso image must be downloaded to your system, then you can use cd burner software (I use cdrecord) to burn the image to a cd-rom. Elx has two images - the initial bootable install cd-rom and the second cd-rom containing other packages to complete the installation. You're looking at 2-3 hours download time (on cable - much longer on a 56K link) plus 15-20 minutes to burn the cd-roms. Then you can install elx - under 2 hours for complete install. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Fw: Re: ELX iso's...ot
On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:22:35 +0900 lesley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is an ELX iso ??? -Original Message- _·_o_l : Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] _¶_æ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ú__ : 2002_N1__4_ú 12:05 ___¼ : Re: ELX iso's...ot On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:04:06 -0500 Jerry McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just ftp'ed the elx iso's for a cd customer of mine and I was wondering if anyone else may be interested in a copy? Seems to be spread across two cd images, got them both. Let me know asap, as I'm in the middle of burning stuff for tomorrow's post office visit... :') How do you still have a working [EMAIL PROTECTED] address? I thought all those were burned forever. Short for iso image. Each iso image must be downloaded to your system, then you can use cd burner software (I use cdrecord) to burn the image to a cd-rom. Elx has two images - the initial bootable install cd-rom and the second cd-rom containing other packages to complete the installation. You're looking at 2-3 hours download time (on cable - much longer on a 56K link) plus 15-20 minutes to burn the cd-roms. Then you can install elx - under 2 hours for complete install. Just another thought. If you are not running from a linux system, you can download and burn the iso images from a Windows system, of course. The EZ-CD Creator software. for example, works just fine for burning iso images. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ELX iso's...ot
On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:04:06 -0500 Jerry McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just ftp'ed the elx iso's for a cd customer of mine and I was wondering if anyone else may be interested in a copy? Seems to be spread across two cd images, got them both. Let me know asap, as I'm in the middle of burning stuff for tomorrow's post office visit... :') How do you still have a working [EMAIL PROTECTED] address? I thought all those were burned forever. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ELX iso's...ot
On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:03:33 -0700 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:04:06 -0500 Jerry McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just ftp'ed the elx iso's for a cd customer of mine and I was wondering if anyone else may be interested in a copy? Seems to be spread across two cd images, got them both. Let me know asap, as I'm in the middle of burning stuff for tomorrow's post office visit... :') How do you still have a working [EMAIL PROTECTED] address? I thought all those were burned forever. We're good until February 28... then it turns into [EMAIL PROTECTED] If they manage the broadband as well as the cable tv programming... I'll be looking for a dsl connection. :') ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux 10:50pm up 5 days, 47 min, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx
On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:01:05 -0800 Vern W Heesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 30 December 2001 03:22 pm, you wrote: [ snips ] On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:10:46 -0800 Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 30 December 2001 01:48 pm, you wrote: If your typos are in a product you're selling, I won't buy it. If you can't proofread, how good are you at testing your software Yes, you are. I didn't find any typos in Mandrake or Caldera distros that failed to install on my PC or in Redhat distros that had a flaky compiler/glibc environment for everyone's PC, but I'm too picky to use them any more. I am in agreement with Dave. Typo's are unacceptable. It truely shows how much 'true' effort was put into the thing. I see more and more companies putting things out with typo's in them, it's pathetic. Typo's or no typo's, my greatest bitch with elx is that I had to go change permissions on quite a few items in order to use them as a user. This is not the first distro I've tried (nor probably the last) Most machines at this site run Caldera other than this one (my lab rat). I've not had to go through so many changes on the other machines as I had to on this one. I'm constantly looking for distro's that can be installed and used by wintendo converts and at first thought that elx would fill this requirement. But for now, I'll continue playing with it and see what the 1.0 release is like and hopefully they'll see that running primarily as root is really not an option. Can you imagine a wintendo convert running linux as root? Good grief, I shudder just thinking about it. JMHO and this to me is a BFD! You pays you money, you takes you chances. In my case, I paid absolutely zip and got an extremely well-crafted and functional product for the price of a few hours download and two burnt CDs. I also got access to a professionally constructed web site with a well grounded plan to encourage Windows users to migrate to linux as well as an offer to help with that endeavor. I got a desktop environment that will probably appeal to a lot of Windows refugees. I got immediate response for my questions from the developers. I got all-in-all fewer bugs than I ever did from Mandrake and Caldera and SuSE and gentoo distros I've used in the past. And just for a bonus, I got one #@! typo in a pre-release distro, and that fact has you anal types in an uproar. Now Ted has a slightly more rational complaint - ease of use for device allocation which is one of the not-so-user-friendly areas of a *nix system. Every distro is going to handle this differently. Either you set permissions to permit anyone access to devices and deal with the security ramifications, or you set exclusive permissions and require use of root to alter those permissions as required. I've had much grief on Caldera distros and others just getting pppd functions to work. This is nothing new. Granted, no distro is going to recommend running as root other than briefly to accomplish brief tasks, nor does elx do that, but every new Linux user is going to need to learn how and how not to use the power of root. I don't have any serial devices, Ted, so I can't comiserate. The elx distro has been easier for me to install, manipulate, and tailor than any I've used in the past. I would not hesitate to recommend this one to a newbie. Us anal types? uncool, unnecessary.and with that I'm done. Vern, i hope that's only with this thread... there is another solution it's called a killfile. i'm about to use it right now... collins -- PLONK have a nice day. -- Myles Green Calgary AB Canada Alberta Linux Step by Step Mirror: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/mylesg/ -- There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx
I am confused at this thread. Why are people strung so tight about it? Let's stop pissing on each other's opinions and be a little more rational. Each distro has its faults and each distro has their typos. Come on! Yes, Caldera has theirs as well. But this is rediculous. I can appreciate that we need to hold a high line on quality, but I have noticed more issues than I care to disclose in big distros like Mandrake, RH, Caldera, and SuSE caused by someone probably just not testing a particular portion of the OS or not documenting very well. Religiosity is not going to keep Linux rolling in the world, and has quite the opposite effect in Business. Devotion, love, RTFM, etc They are all important. Basis in fact and realizing that each distro hasn't completely arrived yet is an important part of the role we must each play if we want Linux to continue to gain momentum. No, obviously I'm not going to broadcast any and all issues I run into to the M$ geeks, but they! don't broadcast theirs to me either. The fact is neither Windows nor Linux has finished development yet and each have plenty of mistakes to fix while continuing to innovate. But that's ok. I support all the developers, testers, advocates, and others who are sticking their back into making Linux/Unix better and more viable for both server and desktop. Yes, Desktop. I still have high hopes for Linux on the Desktop, yea tho there are those who would put a stop to it in order to focus on the server realm. My highest salutes go out to the KDE guys especially, but the OSS community in general. On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:00:32 -0700 Myles Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:01:05 -0800 Vern W Heesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 30 December 2001 03:22 pm, you wrote: [ snips ] On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:10:46 -0800 Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 30 December 2001 01:48 pm, you wrote: If your typos are in a product you're selling, I won't buy it. If you can't proofread, how good are you at testing your software Yes, you are. I didn't find any typos in Mandrake or Caldera distros that failed to install on my PC or in Redhat distros that had a flaky compiler/glibc environment for everyone's PC, but I'm too picky to use them any more. I am in agreement with Dave. Typo's are unacceptable. It truely shows how much 'true' effort was put into the thing. I see more and more companies putting things out with typo's in them, it's pathetic. Typo's or no typo's, my greatest bitch with elx is that I had to go change permissions on quite a few items in order to use them as a user. This is not the first distro I've tried (nor probably the last) Most machines at this site run Caldera other than this one (my lab rat). I've not had to go through so many changes on the other machines as I had to on this one. I'm constantly looking for distro's that can be installed and used by wintendo converts and at first thought that elx would fill this requirement. But for now, I'll continue playing with it and see what the 1.0 release is like and hopefully they'll see that running primarily as root is really not an option. Can you imagine a wintendo convert running linux as root? Good grief, I shudder just thinking about it. JMHO and this to me is a BFD! You pays you money, you takes you chances. In my case, I paid absolutely zip and got an extremely well-crafted and functional product for the price of a few hours download and two burnt CDs. I also got access to a professionally constructed web site with a well grounded plan to encourage Windows users to migrate to linux as well as an offer to help with that endeavor. I got a desktop environment that will probably appeal to a lot of Windows refugees. I got immediate response for my questions from the developers. I got all-in-all fewer bugs than I ever did from Mandrake and Caldera and SuSE and gentoo distros I've used in the past. And just for a bonus, I got one #@! typo in a pre-release distro, and that fact has you anal types in an uproar. Now Ted has a slightly more rational complaint - ease of use for device allocation which is one of the not-so-user-friendly areas of a *nix system. Every distro is going to handle this differently. Either you set permissions to permit anyone access to devices and deal with the security ramifications, or you set exclusive permissions and require use of root to alter those permissions as required. I've had much grief on Caldera distros and others just getting pppd functions to work. This is nothing new. Granted, no distro is going to recommend running as root other than briefly to accomplish brief tasks, nor does elx do that, but every new Linux user is going to need to learn how and how
Re: elx
[ snips ] On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:48:30 -0500 Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am confused at this thread. Why are people strung so tight about it? Let's stop pissing on each other's opinions and be a little more rational. Each distro has its faults and each distro has their typos. Yes, thank you for the rational summary. The fact that I'm not quoting more, should not be taken to mean that I don't agree with your entire post. Occasionally, I just see red when someone picks at a distro or package for something so insignificant as a typo. Which fact still does not excuse my choice of language. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: elx and kylix (not)
Collins, Got the same with Desktop Pro Version. I just clicked on the X to close the window and Kylix will start and run just fine. BTW, this is with SuSE 7.3 Pro. Bye, Keith B. Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: elx does offer a trial version of kylix, but I haven't gotten this to work yet. Will report to elx forum as well. The basic procedure is 0) su 1) untar the package 2) cd to kylix_trial 3) cd to borpretest 4) ./testsystem - reports good results kylix should work 5) ./setup.sh - install successful to /root/kylix instructions say to use startkylix to run 6) cd /usr/local/bin ./startkylix 7) Get message Generating font matrix. Please wait... plus a dialog box saying the same thing. 8) Now running at 45+ minutes 100% cpu with occasional disk access. Probably in a loop. The following are from a ps ax display 1452 pts/1S 0:00 /bin/bash ./startkylix 1455 pts/1S 0:03 /root/kylix/bin/Kylix 1457 ?S 0:00 wineserver 1458 pts/1S 0:00 /root/kylix/bin/Kylix 1459 pts/1S 0:00 /root/kylix/bin/Kylix 1460 pts/1R 18:20 /root/kylix/bin/transdlg Generating font matrix. Pl ea Top shows continuous growth of Mem. used and buff and corresponding drop in Mem. free at each iteration. transdlg is consuming all the cpu. Swap is not changing. I haven't had success on gentoo with kylix, either, so I'm not really surprised. Guess I'll kill it and move on. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx linux evaluation continued
Was it Collins Richey who wrote on Sunday 30 December 2001 00:36: Well, my beloved gentoo distro has become somewhat unstable, so I've switched back to elx at least temporarily. A few notes: 3) I found rpm versions of xfce and sylpheed, and they went in without a hitch, even though not specifically designed for elx. It appears that anything redhat/mandrake crafted will work. I have been running Mandrake for a while now, and allow me to add that IMHO, Red Hat and Mandrake are no longer fully compatible, just alike. Elx has probably done what Mandrake did - started with a basic Red Hat file arrangement and then added their own work. They have differed widely in areas, and Mandrake has added loads of 'drakes (Harddrake, diskdrake(out yet?), drakfont, rpmdrake, XFdrake,) mainly dodges so they don't have to explain anything. Thay have you testing for them (e.g. crashtester, 'cooker') before they will do that. -- Regards, Declan Moriarty Applied Researches - Ireland's Foremost Electronic Hardware Genius A Slightly Serious(TM) Company Success covers a multitude of blunders - G.B. Shaw. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx linux evaluation continued
On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:39:30 + Declan Moriarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was it Collins Richey who wrote on Sunday 30 December 2001 00:36: Well, my beloved gentoo distro has become somewhat unstable, so I've switched back to elx at least temporarily. A few notes: 3) I found rpm versions of xfce and sylpheed, and they went in without a hitch, even though not specifically designed for elx. It appears that anything redhat/mandrake crafted will work. I have been running Mandrake for a while now, and allow me to add that IMHO, Red Hat and Mandrake are no longer fully compatible, just alike. Elx has probably done what Mandrake did - started with a basic Red Hat file arrangement and then added their own work. They have differed widely in areas, and Mandrake has added loads of 'drakes (Harddrake, diskdrake(out yet?), drakfont, rpmdrake, XFdrake,) mainly dodges so they don't have to explain anything. Thay have you testing for them (e.g. crashtester, 'cooker') before they will do that. You're most likely right. I haven't kept up with Mandrake since the 8.0 (???) Beta which I liked better than the final product. They wouldn't really explain much to me, even when I was on the 'cooker' list. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
elx typo final
I've reported the infamous typo to elx, which is what I should have done in the first place instead of getting involved (and helping to fuel) a flame war. Sigh, I guess I'm easy flame bait. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx linux evaluation continued
On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 03:02, Ted Ozolins wrote: On another note, I can not seem to be able (or programs) to use ttyS0 or any serial port as a mere mortal. ttySX is owned by root and in the group [snip] temporarily (at least) cripple out GiveConsole and TakeConsole in /etc/X11/~ -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: Re: elx linux
Previously, Ted Ozolins chose to write: On Sunday 30 December 2001 08:07 am, you wrote: On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 07:48:54 -0800 Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Forwarded Message -- Here is the reply I received from elx re: some short-coming with their distro. Its almost scary to think that anyone would be foolish enough to run their system mainly as root. Their approach is starting to look and feel ___ almost Micro$oftish :( Has anyone been able to find any source code on their site? If its there, I'm definately missing it, I've looked but no joy. Subject: Re: elx linux Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:24:49 +0530 (IST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Ted, This spell check is not matured in K mail , it is still an experimental feature which soon be made proper. In linux world every bit of code is written with great passion and on the best effort basis. But we are working to make things better. ELX believes that the main user will always be root and therefore it does not give full priviledges to all users. To grant access to any device you can log in as root and run open your file manager and can grant access to any device or file. This is more of a secuirty feature. Please do keep sending your suggestions and input. Ted, I believe you are misinterpreting their response (Indian British English?). What I think they are saying is logon as root and change the permissions to grant access to a particular device which is exactly what I've had to do for /dev/dsp on many distros to get any sounds played by mere mortals. not really since and I quote ELX believes that the main user will always be root seems very clear to me. This is not a good thing. I think they mean that root is the main user in that it is the user that shall control other users and what the other users have access to. Not that you should use the system mainly as root. I think they do not mean 'main' as 'primary'. In other words, I think you lost something in their translation ;) Tim ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
more elx notes - python
For you python types, elx has a fairly ancient version (python 1.5) linked as python; you need to reference python2 to get version 2. I noticed this when a script failed to recognize builtin string methods. I'm sure things like this will be better documented as the distro matures. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx linux evaluation continued
Previously, Collins Richey chose to write: On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 14:58:16 -1000 (HST) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30-Dec-01 Collins Richey wrote: [snip] 5) Unlike every distro I've used in the past, elx does not include the telinit command, so the only way I could switch to run level 3 was to edit /etc/inittab and reboot. [snip] telinit is just a link to init init 3 doesn't work either. init should be in /sbin. Is it there? You may need to execute '/sbin/init 3' Tim ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Fwd: Re: elx linux
-- Forwarded Message -- Here is the reply I received from elx re: some short-coming with their distro. Its almost scary to think that anyone would be foolish enough to run their system mainly as root. Their approach is starting to look and feel ___ almost Micro$oftish :( Has anyone been able to find any source code on their site? If its there, I'm definately missing it, I've looked but no joy. Subject: Re: elx linux Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:24:49 +0530 (IST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Ted, This spell check is not matured in K mail , it is still an experimental feature which soon be made proper. In linux world every bit of code is written with great passion and on the best effort basis. But we are working to make things better. ELX believes that the main user will always be root and therefore it does not give full priviledges to all users. To grant access to any device you can log in as root and run open your file manager and can grant access to any device or file. This is more of a secuirty feature. Please do keep sending your suggestions and input. Thanks for your support Happy New Year ELX Team Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx linux evaluation continued
On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 07:32:52 -0800 Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 30 December 2001 07:12 am, you wrote: /etc/inittab and reboot. [snip] telinit is just a link to init init 3 doesn't work either. init should be in /sbin. Is it there? You may need to execute '/sbin/init 3' Works on this install of elx. I use init 3 and seems to do what its suppose to. On another note, I can not seem to be able (or programs) to use ttyS0 or any serial port as a mere mortal. ttySX is owned by root and in the group uucp. even if I place the user in the group uucp I can not gain access to ttyS0 as user. I had no problems getting lp0 up and running as a user (as default it is not accessable by progs run by user other than printing) I use Pony_program_2000 to program pics and other devices and at first could do so only as root. I can at least now use it as a user on the par port but not on the serial port. Even if I change perms on (I really do not like doing this) ttyS0 I still can not access it as a user. Am I missing something here? You could try updating the uucp entry in /etc/group to read uucp:x:14:uucp,collins where 'collins' is my normal user name. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: Re: elx linux
On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 07:48:54 -0800 Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Forwarded Message -- Here is the reply I received from elx re: some short-coming with their distro. Its almost scary to think that anyone would be foolish enough to run their system mainly as root. Their approach is starting to look and feel ___ almost Micro$oftish :( Has anyone been able to find any source code on their site? If its there, I'm definately missing it, I've looked but no joy. Subject: Re: elx linux Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:24:49 +0530 (IST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Ted, This spell check is not matured in K mail , it is still an experimental feature which soon be made proper. In linux world every bit of code is written with great passion and on the best effort basis. But we are working to make things better. ELX believes that the main user will always be root and therefore it does not give full priviledges to all users. To grant access to any device you can log in as root and run open your file manager and can grant access to any device or file. This is more of a secuirty feature. Please do keep sending your suggestions and input. Ted, I believe you are misinterpreting their response (Indian British English?). What I think they are saying is logon as root and change the permissions to grant access to a particular device which is exactly what I've had to do for /dev/dsp on many distros to get any sounds played by mere mortals. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: Re: elx linux
On Sunday 30 December 2001 08:07 am, you wrote: On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 07:48:54 -0800 Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Forwarded Message -- Here is the reply I received from elx re: some short-coming with their distro. Its almost scary to think that anyone would be foolish enough to run their system mainly as root. Their approach is starting to look and feel ___ almost Micro$oftish :( Has anyone been able to find any source code on their site? If its there, I'm definately missing it, I've looked but no joy. Subject: Re: elx linux Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:24:49 +0530 (IST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Ted, This spell check is not matured in K mail , it is still an experimental feature which soon be made proper. In linux world every bit of code is written with great passion and on the best effort basis. But we are working to make things better. ELX believes that the main user will always be root and therefore it does not give full priviledges to all users. To grant access to any device you can log in as root and run open your file manager and can grant access to any device or file. This is more of a secuirty feature. Please do keep sending your suggestions and input. Ted, I believe you are misinterpreting their response (Indian British English?). What I think they are saying is logon as root and change the permissions to grant access to a particular device which is exactly what I've had to do for /dev/dsp on many distros to get any sounds played by mere mortals. not really since and I quote ELX believes that the main user will always be root seems very clear to me. This is not a good thing. -- Ted Ozolins(VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
elx forum
After a little further research (it's hidden pretty well at the elx site) there is an elx forum where you can exchange ideas with other users and the developers. At the elx site (www.elxlinux.com) navigate to ELX - Forum. Enjoy -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx
Well, I read the posts from Ray, Collins and Ted with interest while I was downloading with a 56K modem - 3 or 4 days. The CDs burned OK and here are my obsevations. INSTALLATION My box has wintendo98 (disk 1), Mandrake 8.1 (disk 2), and Mandrake Cooker (disk 4). Disk 3 was ready for ELX, formatted reiserfs using Acronis OSS Disk Manager. The Mandrake disks are ext3. Custom install was impossible. The installer's kernel doesn't know about ext3, so I told it to only mount disks 1 and 2, but it gave up with the message: I don't want to disturb my existing boot menu. So I wiped disk 3 and started again using default install (ignoring the ext3 partitions - I'd fix fstab after install). All went OK, except I was disconcerted by the welcome message ELX WELCOME'S YOU - there should be no apostrophe here. POST INSTALL I have to boot using the floppy - with the hard disk I just get LI. I've run /sbin/lilo a couple of times - no error messages with -v but still no good. Important (for me) packages missing: locales (installed --nodeps from Mandrake 8.1) kde-i18n-de (installed OK from Mandrake 8.1) kde-i18n-en_GB (installed OK from Mandrake 8.1) kde-i18n-fr (installed OK from Mandrake 8.1) gkrellm (installed OK from Mandrake 8.1) rsync (installed OK from Mandrake 8.1) sudo(installed OK from Mandrake 8.1) Supermount works fine using /mnt/cdrom - /dev/scd0 and /mnt/cdrw - /dev/scd1. Here are my desktop files for them: [Desktop Entry] Comment=CD ROM Exec=kfmclient openProfile cdrom Icon=dvd_unmount MountIcon=dvd_mount Name=CD-ROM Terminal=0 Type=Application [Desktop Entry] Name=CD-writer Icon=cdrom_unmount MountIcon=cdrom_mount Type=Application Terminal=0 Comment=CD-writer Exec=kfmclient openProfile cdrw I had to create the /usr/share/apps/konqueror/profiles/cdrw profile: [Main Window Settings] MenuBar=Enabled [Main Window Settings Toolbar extraToolBar] Hidden=true IconSize=0 IconText=IconOnly Index=0 NewLine=true Offset=-1 Position=Top [Main Window Settings Toolbar locationToolBar] Hidden=flase IconSize=0 IconText=IconOnly Index=1 NewLine=true Offset=-1 Position=Top [Main Window Settings Toolbar mainToolBar] Hidden=false IconSize=0 IconText=IconOnly Index=0 NewLine=false Offset=-1 Position=Top [Profile] Height=480 Name=CD-writer RootItem=View0 View0_LinkedView=false View0_LockedLocation=false View0_PassiveMode=false View0_ServiceName=konq_multicolumnview View0_ServiceType=inode/directory View0_ToggleView=false View0_URL=/mnt/cdrw Width=640 I too have not got Webmin to start yet and I haven't been able to check how kylix works - still lots more playing around to do. By the way, I don't think it's anything like Mandrake. -- Peter Ruskin, Wrexham, Wales. Registered Linux User No. 219434 ( see http://counter.li.org/ ). Mandrake Linux release 8.1 (Vitamin) for i586 Kernel 2.4.8-34.1mdk-win4lin, XFree86 4.1.0, patch level 21mdk. KDE: 2.2.2. Qt: 2.3.2. Uptime 16 hours 25 minutes. -- ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx
On Sunday 30 December 2001 10:05 am, you wrote: I too have not got Webmin to start yet and I haven't been able to check how kylix works - still lots more playing around to do. By the way, I don't think it's anything like Mandrake. Take a look at your hosts file and you'll notice that double entry for localhost. I removed the second entry and aal worked fine afterwards. Also take a look at HOSTNAME -- Ted Ozolins(VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx
[ snips ] On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 18:05:25 + Peter Ruskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I read the posts from Ray, Collins and Ted with interest while I was downloading with a 56K modem - 3 or 4 days. bummer! I shure love my cable connection! INSTALLATION My box has wintendo98 (disk 1), Mandrake 8.1 (disk 2), and Mandrake Cooker (disk 4). Disk 3 was ready for ELX, formatted reiserfs using Acronis OSS Disk Manager. The Mandrake disks are ext3. Custom install was impossible. The installer's kernel doesn't know about ext3 Custom install was fine for me - my other distros are ext3. I just didn't tell the installer to mount these partitions. I also told the installer to forget about updating the mbr and to create a boot disk. The boot disk could only boot elx, but my normal mbr had lilo for my existing ext3 distros, so everything was cool. I'll be cloning my system to ext3 in a few days, once I have everything I need installed. ELX WELCOME'S YOU BFD! If I had a nickel for every one of my typos, I'd be retired by now. POST INSTALL I have to boot using the floppy - with the hard disk I just get LI. I've run /sbin/lilo a couple of times - no error messages with -v but still no good. After trying out elx, I booted from my gentoo distro (ext3 knowledgable), mounted the necessary partitions, and used it to update lilo. Important (for me) packages missing: locales (installed --nodeps from Mandrake 8.1) kde-i18n-de (installed OK from Mandrake 8.1) kde-i18n-en_GB (installed OK from Mandrake 8.1) kde-i18n-fr (installed OK from Mandrake 8.1) gkrellm (installed OK from Mandrake 8.1) rsync (installed OK from Mandrake 8.1) sudo(installed OK from Mandrake 8.1) As you can see, updating with redhat/mandrake rpms is a breeze. I was able to add xfce and sylpheed and grub from rpms. Supermount works fine using /mnt/cdrom - /dev/scd0 and /mnt/cdrw - /dev/scd1. I've moved on to my own monolithic 2.4.17 kernel, and I don't have whatever is needed for supermount yet, so I just altered the /etc/fstab entries to avoid error messages. Will investigate later. Since I know how to mount CDROMs and floppies, it's no big deal. I too have not got Webmin to start yet There's a note on the elx forum about needing to reinstall webmin. I haven't tried it, since I don't need webmin. By the way, I don't think it's anything like Mandrake. Probably not on second thought. Mandrake for me is the symbol of a distro that starts many dozens of daemons by default - just in case you ever want to try them out. Since I don't keep my PC running forever (average uptime is about 3 hours), I get bored waiting for them all to start. One of the first things I did with elx was to remove kudzu, webmin, httpd, linuxconf, and sendmail from the l3-5 startup scripts. YMMV. As you can see below, I'm also running my old favorites xfce and sylpheed, which dropped in from rpm with no complaints. I've posted an entry on the elx forum about adding xfce to the kdm session choices, if you're interested. Enjoy -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx
Collins Richey wrote: [...] ELX WELCOME'S YOU BFD! If I had a nickel for every one of my typos, I'd be retired by now. If your typos are in a product you're selling, I won't buy it. If you can't proofread, how good are you at testing your software (corporately speaking, obviously individual people may be better at one or the other). I am admittedly too much the perfectionist, so the world seems too full of mediocrity to me. Dave ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx
On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:58:57 -0700 Dave Anselmi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: [...] ELX WELCOME'S YOU BFD! If I had a nickel for every one of my typos, I'd be retired by now. If your typos are in a product you're selling, I won't buy it. If you can't proofread, how good are you at testing your software (corporately speaking, obviously individual people may be better at one or the other). I am admittedly too much the perfectionist, so the world seems too full of mediocrity to me. Yes, you are. I didn't find any typos in Mandrake or Caldera distros that failed to install on my PC or in Redhat distros that had a flaky compiler/glibc environment for everyone's PC, but I'm too picky to use them any more. Fortunately for some of us who are less picky, elx does work rather well. It's also a -pre1 release, so the 1.0 release may be even better. You're probably better off with Debian, where a package isn't good enough to be accepted into stable unless it's been running on every PC architecture (including those that none of us ever plan to use) for a long time. By then, the spelling has also improved most likely. By then, elx may have corrected a few piddling typos come to think of it, and if their responses on the elx forum are any indication, they will have corrected a few more worthwhile things than bledding typos. I repeat: BFD! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx
On Sunday 30 December 2001 01:23 pm, you wrote: On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:58:57 -0700 Dave Anselmi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: [...] ELX WELCOME'S YOU BFD! If I had a nickel for every one of my typos, I'd be retired by now. If your typos are in a product you're selling, I won't buy it. If you can't proofread, how good are you at testing your software (corporately speaking, obviously individual people may be better at one or the other). I am admittedly too much the perfectionist, so the world seems too full of mediocrity to me. Yes, you are. I didn't find any typos in Mandrake or Caldera distros that failed to install on my PC or in Redhat distros that had a flaky compiler/glibc environment for everyone's PC, but I'm too picky to use them any more. Fortunately for some of us who are less picky, elx does work rather well. It's also a -pre1 release, so the 1.0 release may be even better. You're probably better off with Debian, where a package isn't good enough to be accepted into stable unless it's been running on every PC architecture (including those that none of us ever plan to use) for a long time. By then, the spelling has also improved most likely. By then, elx may have corrected a few piddling typos come to think of it, and if their responses on the elx forum are any indication, they will have corrected a few more worthwhile things than bledding typos. I repeat: BFD! I am in agreement with Dave. Typo's are unacceptable. It truely shows how much 'true' effort was put into the thing. I see more and more companies putting things out with typo's in them, it's pathetic. If your bank issued your checks with a typo, would it be acceptable? If your employer made a typo on your name on your paycheck, would it be acceptable? If you put up the URL to your web site with a typo, would it be acceptable? I think not. I may be picky too, but I feel that if a company can't take the time to check spelling then it's not worth my time to use it. Could it be that some of the problems that I have read about with elx could be typo problems in the code? Hmmm,. BFD? H. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx
Vern: In view of the foregoing, (in this thread) I feel compelled to point out that the plural form of typo is typos and not typo's. FWIW Regards, Glenn Glenn Williams - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux user # 135678 since 1994 Amateur Radio Packeteer since 1988 - Original Message - From: Vern W Heesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 2:48 PM Subject: Re: elx [snip] I am in agreement with Dave. Typo's are unacceptable. It truely shows how much 'true' effort was put into the thing. I see more and more companies putting things out with typo's in them, it's pathetic. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx
On Sunday 30 December 2001 01:48 pm, you wrote: If your typos are in a product you're selling, I won't buy it. If you can't proofread, how good are you at testing your software (corporately speaking, obviously individual people may be better at one or the other). I am admittedly too much the perfectionist, so the world seems too full of mediocrity to me. Yes, you are. I didn't find any typos in Mandrake or Caldera distros that failed to install on my PC or in Redhat distros that had a flaky compiler/glibc environment for everyone's PC, but I'm too picky to use them any more. Fortunately for some of us who are less picky, elx does work rather well. It's also a -pre1 release, so the 1.0 release may be even better. You're probably better off with Debian, where a package isn't good enough to be accepted into stable unless it's been running on every PC architecture (including those that none of us ever plan to use) for a long time. By then, the spelling has also improved most likely. By then, elx may have corrected a few piddling typos come to think of it, and if their responses on the elx forum are any indication, they will have corrected a few more worthwhile things than bledding typos. I repeat: BFD! I am in agreement with Dave. Typo's are unacceptable. It truely shows how much 'true' effort was put into the thing. I see more and more companies putting things out with typo's in them, it's pathetic. If your bank issued your checks with a typo, would it be acceptable? If your employer made a typo on your name on your paycheck, would it be acceptable? If you put up the URL to your web site with a typo, would it be acceptable? I think not. I may be picky too, but I feel that if a company can't take the time to check spelling then it's not worth my time to use it. Could it be that some of the problems that I have read about with elx could be typo problems in the code? Hmmm,. BFD? H. ___ Typo's or no typo's, my greatest bitch with elx is that I had to go change permissions on quite a few items in order to use them as a user. This is not the first distro I've tried (nor probably the last) Most machines at this site run Caldera other than this one (my lab rat). I've not had to go through so many changes on the other machines as I had to on this one. I'm constantly looking for distro's that can be installed and used by wintendo converts and at first thought that elx would fill this requirement. But for now, I'll continue playing with it and see what the 1.0 release is like and hopefully they'll see that running primarily as root is really not an option. Can you imagine a wintendo convert running linux as root? Good grief, I shudder just thinking about it. JMHO and this to me is a BFD! -- Ted Ozolins(VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx
LOL, thanks. Good thing I wasn't doing this for production type work, I'd have to ignore myself. Vern: In view of the foregoing, (in this thread) I feel compelled to point out that the plural form of typo is typos and not typo's. FWIW Regards, Glenn Glenn Williams - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux user # 135678 since 1994 Amateur Radio Packeteer since 1988 - Original Message - From: Vern W Heesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 2:48 PM Subject: Re: elx [snip] I am in agreement with Dave. Typo's are unacceptable. It truely shows how much 'true' effort was put into the thing. I see more and more companies putting things out with typo's in them, it's pathetic. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx
[ snips ] On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:10:46 -0800 Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 30 December 2001 01:48 pm, you wrote: If your typos are in a product you're selling, I won't buy it. If you can't proofread, how good are you at testing your software Yes, you are. I didn't find any typos in Mandrake or Caldera distros that failed to install on my PC or in Redhat distros that had a flaky compiler/glibc environment for everyone's PC, but I'm too picky to use them any more. I am in agreement with Dave. Typo's are unacceptable. It truely shows how much 'true' effort was put into the thing. I see more and more companies putting things out with typo's in them, it's pathetic. Typo's or no typo's, my greatest bitch with elx is that I had to go change permissions on quite a few items in order to use them as a user. This is not the first distro I've tried (nor probably the last) Most machines at this site run Caldera other than this one (my lab rat). I've not had to go through so many changes on the other machines as I had to on this one. I'm constantly looking for distro's that can be installed and used by wintendo converts and at first thought that elx would fill this requirement. But for now, I'll continue playing with it and see what the 1.0 release is like and hopefully they'll see that running primarily as root is really not an option. Can you imagine a wintendo convert running linux as root? Good grief, I shudder just thinking about it. JMHO and this to me is a BFD! You pays you money, you takes you chances. In my case, I paid absolutely zip and got an extremely well-crafted and functional product for the price of a few hours download and two burnt CDs. I also got access to a professionally constructed web site with a well grounded plan to encourage Windows users to migrate to linux as well as an offer to help with that endeavor. I got a desktop environment that will probably appeal to a lot of Windows refugees. I got immediate response for my questions from the developers. I got all-in-all fewer bugs than I ever did from Mandrake and Caldera and SuSE and gentoo distros I've used in the past. And just for a bonus, I got one #@! typo in a pre-release distro, and that fact has you anal types in an uproar. Now Ted has a slightly more rational complaint - ease of use for device allocation which is one of the not-so-user-friendly areas of a *nix system. Every distro is going to handle this differently. Either you set permissions to permit anyone access to devices and deal with the security ramifications, or you set exclusive permissions and require use of root to alter those permissions as required. I've had much grief on Caldera distros and others just getting pppd functions to work. This is nothing new. Granted, no distro is going to recommend running as root other than briefly to accomplish brief tasks, nor does elx do that, but every new Linux user is going to need to learn how and how not to use the power of root. I don't have any serial devices, Ted, so I can't comiserate. The elx distro has been easier for me to install, manipulate, and tailor than any I've used in the past. I would not hesitate to recommend this one to a newbie. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx
On Sunday 30 December 2001 03:22 pm, you wrote: [ snips ] On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:10:46 -0800 Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 30 December 2001 01:48 pm, you wrote: If your typos are in a product you're selling, I won't buy it. If you can't proofread, how good are you at testing your software Yes, you are. I didn't find any typos in Mandrake or Caldera distros that failed to install on my PC or in Redhat distros that had a flaky compiler/glibc environment for everyone's PC, but I'm too picky to use them any more. I am in agreement with Dave. Typo's are unacceptable. It truely shows how much 'true' effort was put into the thing. I see more and more companies putting things out with typo's in them, it's pathetic. Typo's or no typo's, my greatest bitch with elx is that I had to go change permissions on quite a few items in order to use them as a user. This is not the first distro I've tried (nor probably the last) Most machines at this site run Caldera other than this one (my lab rat). I've not had to go through so many changes on the other machines as I had to on this one. I'm constantly looking for distro's that can be installed and used by wintendo converts and at first thought that elx would fill this requirement. But for now, I'll continue playing with it and see what the 1.0 release is like and hopefully they'll see that running primarily as root is really not an option. Can you imagine a wintendo convert running linux as root? Good grief, I shudder just thinking about it. JMHO and this to me is a BFD! You pays you money, you takes you chances. In my case, I paid absolutely zip and got an extremely well-crafted and functional product for the price of a few hours download and two burnt CDs. I also got access to a professionally constructed web site with a well grounded plan to encourage Windows users to migrate to linux as well as an offer to help with that endeavor. I got a desktop environment that will probably appeal to a lot of Windows refugees. I got immediate response for my questions from the developers. I got all-in-all fewer bugs than I ever did from Mandrake and Caldera and SuSE and gentoo distros I've used in the past. And just for a bonus, I got one #@! typo in a pre-release distro, and that fact has you anal types in an uproar. Now Ted has a slightly more rational complaint - ease of use for device allocation which is one of the not-so-user-friendly areas of a *nix system. Every distro is going to handle this differently. Either you set permissions to permit anyone access to devices and deal with the security ramifications, or you set exclusive permissions and require use of root to alter those permissions as required. I've had much grief on Caldera distros and others just getting pppd functions to work. This is nothing new. Granted, no distro is going to recommend running as root other than briefly to accomplish brief tasks, nor does elx do that, but every new Linux user is going to need to learn how and how not to use the power of root. I don't have any serial devices, Ted, so I can't comiserate. The elx distro has been easier for me to install, manipulate, and tailor than any I've used in the past. I would not hesitate to recommend this one to a newbie. Us anal types? uncool, unnecessary.and with that I'm done. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
elx and kylix (not)
elx does offer a trial version of kylix, but I haven't gotten this to work yet. Will report to elx forum as well. The basic procedure is 0) su 1) untar the package 2) cd to kylix_trial 3) cd to borpretest 4) ./testsystem - reports good results kylix should work 5) ./setup.sh - install successful to /root/kylix instructions say to use startkylix to run 6) cd /usr/local/bin ./startkylix 7) Get message Generating font matrix. Please wait... plus a dialog box saying the same thing. 8) Now running at 45+ minutes 100% cpu with occasional disk access. Probably in a loop. The following are from a ps ax display 1452 pts/1S 0:00 /bin/bash ./startkylix 1455 pts/1S 0:03 /root/kylix/bin/Kylix 1457 ?S 0:00 wineserver 1458 pts/1S 0:00 /root/kylix/bin/Kylix 1459 pts/1S 0:00 /root/kylix/bin/Kylix 1460 pts/1R 18:20 /root/kylix/bin/transdlg Generating font matrix. Pl ea Top shows continuous growth of Mem. used and buff and corresponding drop in Mem. free at each iteration. transdlg is consuming all the cpu. Swap is not changing. I haven't had success on gentoo with kylix, either, so I'm not really surprised. Guess I'll kill it and move on. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx and kylix (not)
I'm using kylix with success on Libranet (Debian). If you did the system (root) install I think there is an additional setup step you should do, but I'm not sure. Be sure to read the INSTALL file throroughly. I just run ./startkylix in my home directory. (I installed to a kylix directory off my home (user) directory) On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 18:19:35 -0700 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: elx does offer a trial version of kylix, but I haven't gotten this to work yet. -- Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx and kylix (not)
On December 30, 2001 05:19 pm, Collins Richey wrote: I haven't had success on gentoo with kylix, either, so I'm not really surprised. Guess I'll kill it and move on. As I found out via the borland newsgroups (see http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-users@linux.nf/msg07067.html ) Kylix 1 is known to have some problems with kernel 2.4. If you're running 2.4 you'll want to head to borland and try out kylix 2 instead which might operate a little bit better. It's been working for me thus far whereas Kylix 1 caused nothing but problems. David Aikema ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx and kylix (not)
On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:39:43 -0800 David Aikema [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On December 30, 2001 05:19 pm, Collins Richey wrote: I haven't had success on gentoo with kylix, either, so I'm not really surprised. Guess I'll kill it and move on. As I found out via the borland newsgroups (see http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-users@linux.nf/msg07067.html ) Kylix 1 is known to have some problems with kernel 2.4. If you're running 2.4 you'll want to head to borland and try out kylix 2 instead which might operate a little bit better. It's been working for me thus far whereas Kylix 1 caused nothing but problems. Thanks, David Will keep in mind. The only reason I tried it now was because it is there on the elx distro. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
elx linux evaluation continued
Well, my beloved gentoo distro has become somewhat unstable, so I've switched back to elx at least temporarily. A few notes: 1) I've stripped out some of the offending daemons, so startup/shutdown is a little faster. Still looking at removing others, but going slow to avoid breaking anything. 2) The sysv editor they offer on the kde menu is broken - segfaults immediately, but they do offer tksysv which works. 3) I found rpm versions of xfce and sylpheed, and they went in without a hitch, even though not specifically designed for elx. It appears that anything redhat/mandrake crafted will work. 4) Most of my problems with the 2.4.17 kernel are not compiler related, but rather due to the elx default kernel config compiling everything under the sun. When I backed out to my standard config, even the much maligned (by me) gcc3 compiler works ok. Now I'm up and running on the new kernel, but elx wants something called 'supermount' in the kernel. Causes a few failed messages at boot, but nothing serious. Will need to track down. 5) Unlike every distro I've used in the past, elx does not include the telinit command, so the only way I could switch to run level 3 was to edit /etc/inittab and reboot. 6) The earlier reported inability to get to cd-rw devices was solved by the earlier post from Mike Andrew - elx uses /dev/scd0... instead of /dev/sr0 7) Still running on reiserfs - will investigate ext3 soon. 8) Even found an rpm version of aterm that works. 9) Found and fixed the beloved by mandrake, et al., but not by me, aliases that make every rm command prompt for permission. elx sticks this in the ~/.bashrc file, so I probably need to trash it in the skeleton file for users as well. 10) Still finding and fixing font sizes for various apps, since elx brought up my screen in the highest resolution available. Yeah, I know how to change the resolution, but I like the additional screen real estate provided by the higher resolution. 11) Still need to drag over some of my ...rc files for xfce so I can get rid of the ugly gray terminal screens. May the force be with you! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: elx linux evaluation continued
On 30-Dec-01 Collins Richey wrote: [snip] 5) Unlike every distro I've used in the past, elx does not include the telinit command, so the only way I could switch to run level 3 was to edit /etc/inittab and reboot. [snip] telinit is just a link to init -- Gary 2:58pm up 40 days, 5:10, 3 users, load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx linux evaluation continued
On Saturday 29 December 2001 04:36 pm, you wrote: 4) Most of my problems with the 2.4.17 kernel are not compiler related, but rather due to the elx default kernel config compiling everything under the sun. When I backed out to my standard config, even the much maligned (by me) gcc3 compiler works ok. Now I'm up and running on the new kernel, but elx wants something called 'supermount' in the kernel. Causes a few failed messages at boot, but nothing serious. Will need to track down. Perhaps because it calls for supermount in fstab. -- Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx linux evaluation continued
On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:28:42 -0800 Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 29 December 2001 04:36 pm, you wrote: 4) Most of my problems with the 2.4.17 kernel are not compiler related, but rather due to the elx default kernel config compiling everything under the sun. When I backed out to my standard config, even the much maligned(by me) gcc3 compiler works ok. Now I'm up and running on the new kernel, but elx wants something called 'supermount' in the kernel. Causes a fewfailed messages at boot, but nothing serious. Will need to track down. Perhaps because it calls for supermount in fstab. Yes, indeed it does, but only for cdrom floppy which are not critical Any idea where this little devil gets enabled in the kernel, ie save me the tedium of going through the config? -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx linux distro
See bottom. Recently, somebody somewhere said: On Wednesday 26 December 2001 11:40 am, you wrote: Ted Ozolins wrote: I still can not log into webmin. I'll rpm -e webmin and re-install it and see if that fixes the beast. I can log into swat with no problems. I'm using Mozilla as the browser. Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. What port are you trying to connect to? Webmin (depending on the version) is usually at: http://localhost:1 or https://localhost:1000 (secure) I've tried both with no joy. This is definately a first for me. I've never had prob's logging into webmin on any other distro (Caldera, Redhat, Mandrake nor Redmond) I have not had much time to play with this, I'll hack at it some more tomorrow. The login window comes up, I enter root and mypassword_for_root and each time it returns LOGIN FAILED:( I got this, and some nice guy threw me this lifeline: Check for /etc/securetty. Mine reads like this # Mandrake-Security : if you remove this comment, remove the next line too. tty1 # Mandrake-Security : if you remove this comment, remove the next line too. tty2 # Mandrake-Security : if you remove this comment, remove the next line too. tty3 # Mandrake-Security : if you remove this comment, remove the next line too. tty4 # Mandrake-Security : if you remove this comment, remove the next line too. tty5 # Mandrake-Security : if you remove this comment, remove the next line too. tty6 -- Regards, Declan Moriarty Applied Researches - Ireland's Foremost Electronic Hardware Genius A Slightly Serious(TM) Company Success covers a multitude of blunders - G.B. Shaw. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx linux distro
Recently, somebody somewhere said: Yep, you're right about the CDROMS - no devices sg0-1 and sr0-1, I'm buggered how to set them up; MAKEDEV doesn't seen to work. SCSI support is there, however. cdrecord --scanbus returns the expected data. Ahem, beg pardon of my ignorance, but have you tried /dev/scd0? It seems to work for me. -- Regards, Declan Moriarty Applied Researches - Ireland's Foremost Electronic Hardware Genius A Slightly Serious(TM) Company Success covers a multitude of blunders - G.B. Shaw. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx linux distro
On Wednesday 26 December 2001 02:36 am, you wrote: Recently, somebody somewhere said: Yep, you're right about the CDROMS - no devices sg0-1 and sr0-1, I'm buggered how to set them up; MAKEDEV doesn't seen to work. SCSI support is there, however. cdrecord --scanbus returns the expected data. Ahem, beg pardon of my ignorance, but have you tried /dev/scd0? It seems to work for me. Been using Caldera for so long never thought of scdX as the dev's. You are right, I deleted /dev/cdrom and linked cdrom to scd0 and all works just great. I still can not log into webmin. I'll rpm -e webmin and re-install it and see if that fixes the beast. I can log into swat with no problems. I'm using Mozilla as the browser. Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx linux distro
Ted Ozolins wrote: I still can not log into webmin. I'll rpm -e webmin and re-install it and see if that fixes the beast. I can log into swat with no problems. I'm using Mozilla as the browser. Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. What port are you trying to connect to? Webmin (depending on the version) is usually at: http://localhost:1 or https://localhost:1000 (secure) -- Andrew Mathews 12:38pm up 5:12, 3 users, load average: 1.03, 1.15, 1.15 My doctorate's in Literature, but it seems like a pretty good pulse to me. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx linux distro
On Wednesday 26 December 2001 11:40 am, you wrote: Ted Ozolins wrote: I still can not log into webmin. I'll rpm -e webmin and re-install it and see if that fixes the beast. I can log into swat with no problems. I'm using Mozilla as the browser. Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. What port are you trying to connect to? Webmin (depending on the version) is usually at: http://localhost:1 or https://localhost:1000 (secure) I've tried both with no joy. This is definately a first for me. I've never had prob's logging into webmin on any other distro (Caldera, Redhat, Mandrake nor Redmond) I have not had much time to play with this, I'll hack at it some more tomorrow. The login window comes up, I enter root and mypassword_for_root and each time it returns LOGIN FAILED:( Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx linux distro
Just wondering, has anyone sent an email to ELX on these couple of items we are all having a problem with? After all, their site says its supposed to be set up so any novice can immediately work in Linux and basically have no problems. Ray On 26 Dec 2001, at 10:32, Ted Ozolins wrote: On Wednesday 26 December 2001 02:36 am, you wrote: Recently, somebody somewhere said: Yep, you're right about the CDROMS - no devices sg0-1 and sr0-1, I'm buggered how to set them up; MAKEDEV doesn't seen to work. SCSI support is there, however. cdrecord --scanbus returns the expected data. Ahem, beg pardon of my ignorance, but have you tried /dev/scd0? It seems to work for me. Been using Caldera for so long never thought of scdX as the dev's. You are right, I deleted /dev/cdrom and linked cdrom to scd0 and all works just great. I still can not log into webmin. I'll rpm -e webmin and re-install it and see if that fixes the beast. I can log into swat with no problems. I'm using Mozilla as the browser. Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Ray Nancy Plummer Copper, Elektra WOK http://www.nanray.cjb.net/gsdped/gsdbintro.html ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx linux distro
On Wednesday 26 December 2001 01:16 pm, you wrote: Ted Ozolins wrote: snip I've tried both with no joy. This is definately a first for me. I've never had prob's logging into webmin on any other distro (Caldera, Redhat, Mandrake nor Redmond) I have not had much time to play with this, I'll hack at it some more tomorrow. The login window comes up, I enter root and mypassword_for_root and each time it returns LOGIN FAILED:( Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. Did you try running /usr/libexec/webmin/changepass.pl /etc/webmin root (newpasswd) to reset the password? The problem is with the webmin config file as it has the wrong host name. Changing this to just localhost fixed the login problem. It has been some time since I've worked with lilo so I'll have to RTFM and find the correct syntax for adding the notail option since this is runing the reiserfs file system. Other than that everything else seems to just work. Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx linux distro
On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:59:36 -0800 Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 26 December 2001 01:16 pm, you wrote: Ted Ozolins wrote: snip I've tried both with no joy. This is definately a first for me. I've never had prob's logging into webmin on any other distro (Caldera, Redhat, Mandrake nor Redmond) I have not had much time to play with this, I'll hack at it some more tomorrow. The login window comes up, I enter root and mypassword_for_root and each time it returns LOGIN FAILED:( Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. Did you try running /usr/libexec/webmin/changepass.pl /etc/webmin root(newpasswd) to reset the password? The problem is with the webmin config file as it has the wrong host name. Changing this to just localhost fixed the login problem. It has been some time since I've worked with lilo so I'll have to RTFM and find the correct syntax for adding the notail option since this is runing the reiserfs file system. Other than that everything else seems to just work. Sample /dev/hdc7 / reiserfs notail,auto 1 1 -- Collins Richey Denver Area - 12DEC2001 - WWTLRD? gentoo_rc6 k2.4.17-pre8+ext3+xfce+sylpheed+galeon ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx linux distro
On Wednesday 26 December 2001 06:31 pm, you wrote: /dev/hdc7 / reiserfs notail,auto 1 1 Thank you... ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx linux distro
On Dec 24 Collins Richey was heard saying: -Navigate to http://www.elxlinux.com/ for more info. -My initial experience with this distro is positive: snip -8) All in all, this looks very much like Mandrake. *** My obvious reaction would be why not use Mandrake then? I wouldn't mind a bit more details about why this distro should be preferred above the Mandrake. -Elx starts every imaginable daemon, including webmin and portmapper -and mysql. I'll have to *** Yep, that looks much like Mandrake (a.k.a. Red Hat :-). With the slight difference that Mandrake 8.1 asks what daemons you want to start at boot before finishing the install. That is an advance in some respect. Elx sounds to me as pre Mandrake 8.1, where the so called novice distributions would start the most obscure and unnecessary daemons so the newbies could be more easily hacked... Cheers, Zoran. -- Software is like sex, It's better when it's Free... -- Linus Torvalds ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mandrake (was elx linux distro)
Recently, somebody somewhere said: -8) All in all, this looks very much like Mandrake. -Elx starts every imaginable daemon, including webmin and portmapper -and mysql. I'll have to *** Yep, that looks much like Mandrake (a.k.a. Red Hat :-). With the slight difference that Mandrake 8.1 asks what daemons you want to start at boot before finishing the install. That is an advance in some respect. Elx sounds to me as pre Mandrake 8.1, where the so called novice distributions would start the most obscure and unnecessary daemons so the newbies could be more easily hacked... Mandrake (and afaik Red Hat) supply ntsysv, which is a console based program which offers you a choice of daemons to start with init; you can get in and simply hack the list to suit yourself. Then it works. No effort. There's even an explanation of what they do. -- Regards, Declan Moriarty Applied Researches - Ireland's Foremost Electronic Hardware Genius A Slightly Serious(TM) Company Success covers a multitude of blunders - G.B. Shaw. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx linux distro
On Tuesday 25 December 2001 02:10 am, you wrote: On Dec 24 Collins Richey was heard saying: -Navigate to http://www.elxlinux.com/ for more info. -My initial experience with this distro is positive: snip -8) All in all, this looks very much like Mandrake. *** My obvious reaction would be why not use Mandrake then? I wouldn't mind a bit more details about why this distro should be preferred above the Mandrake. One reason (for newbies, at least) might be the uncluttered distribution sequence - not very many choices, since everything critical is autodetected under the covers. Another reason might be - give the little guys a chance. Also, I like to tinker. My gentoo distro is so reliable, it's boring, so life on the edge helps me get by. Another reason might the the substantial amount of documentation that comes with the distro. Even topics like how to use autoconf, make, etc. that may prove helpful for newbies that want to stray into the realm of development. Why did I climb the mountain? Because it was there. -Elx starts every imaginable daemon, including webmin and portmapper -and mysql. I'll have to *** Yep, that looks much like Mandrake (a.k.a. Red Hat :-). With the slight difference that Mandrake 8.1 asks what daemons you want to start at boot before finishing the install. That is an advance in some respect. Elx sounds to me as pre Mandrake 8.1, where the so called novice distributions would start the most obscure and unnecessary daemons so the newbies could be more easily hacked... The daemons started aren't particularly obscure, just (from my standpoint only) unneeded. FYI, everything in the distro is quite up to date. Only the cups, e2fsprogs, glibc, and perl packages are one notch lower that what I have on gentoo. Elx has chosen rpm 4.0.3-1, so there shouldn't be the usual problem with rpms that fail to install because they are packaged for the newer rpm. All the development rpms have been installed, so installing more software should not be a problem. I'm looking forward to putting up xfce and upgrading the kernel. I'm not looking forward to dealing with rpm again - yuck! Thanks, Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx linux distro
I also did the download of Elx. I did 2 installs with it, same machine twice. MachineVia Apollo chipset, AMD K6 2-500, 256 megs ram, PCI Riva TNT Graphics Card, Fijitsu 10 meg primary with Windows, Western Dig 20 Gig blank secondary, Lite-on CD-RW, Generic 56x CD, Sylvania F74 monitor, MS Mouse, Sound Blaster 16 PCI. First Install Custom Went pretty much as Collins did except that I installed everything. Just to see what would happen. The Partitioning I think is a minor problem as I had the same problem being unable to select which hard drive. However after pressing tab and watching closely, eventually you could see a faint highlight on the Drive section then use the down arrow to select hdb. The rest of the install went pretty smooth and didn't have to do much at all except indicate DHCP and root password. After the reboot I entered KDE. Ran the config wizard that comes up to set up KDE Desktop. All went well. The panel and menus are re- done not standard KDE that we are all familiar with however its not that big a deal. Actually makes more sense and does not have as much duplication. The panel or taskbar at the bottom of the screen is totally different offering a selection of icons that launch a button menu of various programs. One such is the Internet button. Clicking it brings up a window of icons with all the internet programs such as browsers, messengers, email programs, download mgrs, etc, there is a 'help' or description screen at the bottom of the window as you rollover each button. In all there are about 6 of these icons in the panel. Desktop, Internet, Office, Development, Configuration, My Computer. Oh yeahOn the main desktop is an Icon for My Computer, very similiar in function to Windows my Computer, and also an Icon for Network Neighborhood, also similiar to Windows. I had 3 problems with the custom install, ELX did not configure my sound card correctly, nor did it configure the CD-RW or CD-R properly so that I could pop in a cd and browse. And finally while it did find not only the Windows hard drive on the machine, and 2 other machines that were also on the network. I could not browse or mount them for browsing. Because of the above problems, I decided to try a reinstall, so I deleted the partitions and did a. Default Install Almost is hands off install. had to select DHCP and root password, also had the option of choosing pkgs and whether to make a boot disk. Went well, it found and partitioned HDB and left alone the Windows Drive. Everything else was about the same. Had the same problems with the CD-RW and CD-R, Same Sound problems, Same no browsing of Network Machines. However, I had to leave for awhile and shut down the machine, when I came back and rebooted it, it went to Kudzu and found the sound card and configured it correctly. Still could not browse the CD-RW or the CD-R. I set up a new Icon for the desktop and discovered the problem or at least part of it. FSTAB had both set as CDROM not CDROM and CDROM1 also did not have the CDRW as a SCSI device altho CDR-Toast did recognize it and allowed me to configure it. I tried browsing, both but for some reason couldn't. I looked in the file manager and there were locks placed on /mnt/cdrom, /mnt/cdrom1, and /mnt/floppy. Why I haven't a clue at this point. Still couldn't browse or mount the other networked machines. Probably some simple configuration or other. The Distro appears to be either Mandrake or RH based. Uses RPM's. Default is Reiserfs. I felt a lot of thought and work has gone into the menus and into the installation and probably would work ok with only one CD-RW or CD-R. I also felt it would be a pretty good distro for a Linux Newbie. As long as there was someone to help out nearby if they ran into a problem. Sorry this is not more technical, but I wanted to 'play dumb' and see if it would do everything without any knowledge of Linux. As this is actually a pre1 distro, I didn't really expect it to be foolproof yet. One last thing, I was disappointed with the speed it operated on my machine, altho it was a bit faster than Mandrake 8.1 it was much slower than Libranet 1.9.1 all of which I have recently tried on this machine. Oh well, its sold for Xmas and I had to clean it off so don't have to worry about it anyway. hahaha Merry Xmas to all Ray Plummer Ray Nancy Plummer Copper, Elektra WOK http://www.nanray.cjb.net/gsdped/gsdbintro.html ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mandrake (was elx linux distro)
On Tuesday 25 December 2001 05:42 am, you wrote: Recently, somebody somewhere said: -8) All in all, this looks very much like Mandrake. -Elx starts every imaginable daemon, including webmin and portmapper -and mysql. I'll have to *** Yep, that looks much like Mandrake (a.k.a. Red Hat :-). With the slight difference that Mandrake 8.1 asks what daemons you want to start at boot before finishing the install. That is an advance in some respect. Elx sounds to me as pre Mandrake 8.1, where the so called novice distributions would start the most obscure and unnecessary daemons so the newbies could be more easily hacked... Mandrake (and afaik Red Hat) supply ntsysv, which is a console based program which offers you a choice of daemons to start with init; you can get in and simply hack the list to suit yourself. Then it works. No effort. There's even an explanation of what they do. Yes, nysysv and appropriate man entries are available on elx, too. Thanks, Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx linux distro
On Tuesday 25 December 2001 10:53 am, you wrote: After the reboot I entered KDE. Ran the config wizard that comes up to set up KDE Desktop. All went well. The panel and menus are re- done not standard KDE that we are all familiar with however its not that big a deal. Actually makes more sense and does not have as much duplication. T Oh yeahOn the main desktop is an Icon for My Computer, very similiar in function to Windows my Computer, and also an Icon for Network Neighborhood, also similiar to Windows. gnome is setup pretty much the same - the Windows user will feel right at home. I had 3 problems with the custom install, ELX did not configure my sound card correctly, nor did it configure the CD-RW or CD-R properly so that I could pop in a cd and browse. No problems with my essolo1 sound card. Yep, you're right about the CDROMS - no devices sg0-1 and sr0-1, I'm buggered how to set them up; MAKEDEV doesn't seen to work. SCSI support is there, however. cdrecord --scanbus returns the expected data. One last thing, I was disappointed with the speed it operated on my machine, altho it was a bit faster than Mandrake 8.1 it was much slower than Libranet 1.9.1 all of which I have recently tried on this machine. Oh well, its sold for Xmas and I had to clean it off so don't have to worry about it anyway. hahaha Pretty slow here, too. I'm compiling a kernel now and will soon pare down the daemons. We'll see. Thanks, Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx linux distro
On Tuesday 25 December 2001 10:53 am, you wrote: I also did the download of Elx. I did 2 installs with it, same machine twice. Well, this one is doa! They've picked a compiler (gcc-3.0.2) that doesn't do kernels! You'd think distro makers would learn? This is what I would expect from Redhat! Plonk! Thanks, Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx linux distro
Collins Richey wrote: Yep, you're right about the CDROMS - no devices sg0-1 and sr0-1, I'm buggered how to set them up; MAKEDEV doesn't seen to work. SCSI support is there, however. cdrecord --scanbus returns the expected data. Try man mknod. And you may need to look at devices.txt in the kernel docs to get major/minor numbers. MAKEDEV is a wrapper for mknod. I've urged the LFS people to use mknod instead, at least initially, so that people will be introduced to it. Dave ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
elx linux distro
Navigate tohttp://www.elxlinux.com/ for more info. My initial experience with this distro is positive: 1) Download and burn two cd's worth of day (about 1hr:45mins on cable, 40 minutes to burn on my slow cd-writer. 2) Boot from CD (I have to toggle this setting on my BIOS each time). The CD detects everything necessary (including exact details of my video card and monitor - kudos) and starts X - everything else is eye-candy gui based. 3) Don't choose the default option if you have anything other than Windows to preserve on your harddrive! elx would clear off everything but the windows partitions! 4) I chose the custom option and chose everything except the server category. This amounts to about 2.6G. The partition selection is a bit confusing since they show the hard drives in one pannel and the partitions in another, and you can click on the hard drive choices untill you are blue in the face - only the partitions in the other panel are selectable. Fortunately, the default choice is a reiserfs system. 5) After everything loaded down, and I created a boot floppy, the system booted without a hitch into run level 5. I chose the gnome option first, and I still don't like gnome any better that the last time. 6) dhcp works A-OK, and there's a lot of browsers to choose from, including my favorite, galeon. There were no questions to answer, but elx did the right thing for my tulip card. Galeon segfaulted after the initial wizard series, but it came right back. 7) kde works, too, and kmail, as you can see. The only immediate flaw I see is that the fstab entry for the root file system doesn't have the notail option, which would create a problem for grub. I fixed that in short order. 8) All in all, this looks very much like Mandrake. Elx starts every imaginable daemon, including webmin and portmapper and mysql. I'll have to see how much effort it is to strip it down to a reasonable size. Right now it's a pretty sluggish startup. Should be fairly simple. It's a standard sysvinit type setup with the usual Sxx and Kxx startup and shutdown scripts. It appears to be LSB (or Redhat) compliant - nothing in /opt except wine. It's supposed to be rpm based. 9) My soundcard was detected and works (elx is using alsa). Cups was setup properly, and a quick visit to cups admin setup my printer in short order. Cups is very up to date - first time I've seen a choice for my hp lj1100. It has the right interface for the lpxxx/cups stuff, so the normal lpxx commands work without a hitch. 10) There's a lot of documentation online - I haven't looked at it in depth. 11) This would be a really good distro for a novice - pretty painless to install. If you have a speedier computer, you probably won't notice the lengthy startup as much. 12) Alas, no xfce or sylpheed. I'll give these a try and put up the current kernel and chop away a few of the started daemons. Enjoy, Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
ELX Linux
For those of you who like to try new distros, ELX Linux is available for download today. The FTP connection didn't work but the HTTP one did. I haven't finished downloading it yet so don't have any other comments. you can get it at www.elxlinux.com click on download Ray Ray Nancy Plummer Copper, Elektra WOK http://www.nanray.cjb.net/gsdped/gsdbintro.html ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ELX Linux
On Sun, 23 Dec 2001 10:50:17 -0800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those of you who like to try new distros, ELX Linux is available for download today. The FTP connection didn't work but the HTTP one did. I haven't finished downloading it yet so don't have any other comments. you can get it at www.elxlinux.com click on download Must have just been max connections open on the server. I'm downloading it now using the ftp connection. -- Collins Richey Denver Area - 22DEC2001 - WWTLRD? gentoo_rc6 k2.4.17+ext3+xfce+sylpheed+galeon ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
