Re: [pfSense] ZFS on 2.4.2

2018-03-08 Thread Vick Khera
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Walter Parker wrote: > Are the FreeBSD 10.2 instructions ( > https://www.netgate.com/docs/platforms/rcc-dff-2220/freebsd.html) still > valid for 11.1? > > >- Connect the console cable (I have that setup) >- Boot from from a memstick image plugged into the U

Re: [pfSense] ZFS on 2.4.2

2018-03-08 Thread Walter Parker
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:12 AM, Vick Khera wrote: > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Zandr Milewski > wrote: > > > As someone who has spent easily 100 hours troubleshooting, rebuilding, > and > > restoring UFS based Netgate boxes that have to function in environments > > with less-that-datacent

Re: [pfSense] ZFS on 2.4.2

2018-03-08 Thread Vick Khera
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Zandr Milewski wrote: > As someone who has spent easily 100 hours troubleshooting, rebuilding, and > restoring UFS based Netgate boxes that have to function in environments > with less-that-datacenter grade power availability, I'll take "potential > corruption in

Re: [pfSense] ZFS on 2.4.2

2018-03-08 Thread Zandr Milewski
As someone who has spent easily 100 hours troubleshooting, rebuilding, and restoring UFS based Netgate boxes that have to function in environments with less-that-datacenter grade power availability, I'll take "potential corruption in corner cases" over "1 in 4 chance it won't come back from a p

Re: [pfSense] ZFS on 2.4.2

2018-03-08 Thread Vick Khera
On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 8:18 PM, Walter Parker wrote: > don't use ECC. Can anyone show why my solution should switch file systems > (given that I'm keeping my existing hardware) without changing the subject? > I've read many of the scare stories from FreeNAS and they all seem to end > up as a call

Re: [pfSense] ZFS on 2.4.2

2018-03-07 Thread Walter Parker
On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 2:31 PM, Peder Rovelstad wrote: > > That is an urban legend. One of original developers of ZFS was > > interviewed > > OK, then. Not my data. Best of luck. > > I've had other ZFS servers without ECC that have run successfully for several years. I know the risks and issues

Re: [pfSense] ZFS on 2.4.2

2018-03-07 Thread Peder Rovelstad
> That is an urban legend. One of original developers of ZFS was > interviewed OK, then. Not my data. Best of luck. ___ pfSense mailing list https://lists.pfsense.org/mailman/listinfo/list Support the project with Gold! https://pfsense.org/gold

Re: [pfSense] ZFS on 2.4.2

2018-03-07 Thread Vick Khera
On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 2:04 PM, Walter Parker wrote: > without ECC. If there is a time bomb, then it exists for all file systems > running on computers without ECC. As this one of multiple backups for the > system, the risks are acceptable. > > If you have an actual failure method that makes ZFS

Re: [pfSense] ZFS on 2.4.2

2018-03-07 Thread Walter Parker
sage- > From: List [mailto:list-boun...@lists.pfsense.org] On Behalf Of Vick Khera > Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 8:57 AM > To: pfSense Support and Discussion Mailing List > Subject: Re: [pfSense] ZFS on 2.4.2 > > On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 6:51 PM, Peder Rovelstad > wrote:

Re: [pfSense] ZFS on 2.4.2

2018-03-07 Thread Peder Rovelstad
OH, and w/o ECC memory, it's a time bomb. -Original Message- From: List [mailto:list-boun...@lists.pfsense.org] On Behalf Of Peder Rovelstad Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 9:33 AM To: 'pfSense Support and Discussion Mailing List' Subject: Re: [pfSense] ZFS on 2.4.2 Oh, fo

Re: [pfSense] ZFS on 2.4.2

2018-03-07 Thread Peder Rovelstad
:57 AM To: pfSense Support and Discussion Mailing List Subject: Re: [pfSense] ZFS on 2.4.2 On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 6:51 PM, Peder Rovelstad wrote: > Here's a ZFS tuning guide if you have not seen. > https://wiki.freebsd.org/ZFSTuningGuide > > But only goes to v9. > You 100% do

Re: [pfSense] ZFS on 2.4.2

2018-03-07 Thread Vick Khera
On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 6:51 PM, Peder Rovelstad wrote: > Here's a ZFS tuning guide if you have not seen. > https://wiki.freebsd.org/ZFSTuningGuide > > But only goes to v9. > You 100% do not want nor need to turn on de-dupe. Especially on a boot volume of pfSense.

Re: [pfSense] ZFS on 2.4.2

2018-03-06 Thread Peder Rovelstad
0% of its 4GB RAM for a 3TB volume, configured with 1.75GB arc_max. -Original Message- From: List [mailto:list-boun...@lists.pfsense.org] On Behalf Of Paul Mather Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2018 12:09 PM To: pfSense Support and Discussion Mailing List Subject: Re: [pfSense] ZFS on 2.4.2 O

Re: [pfSense] ZFS on 2.4.2

2018-03-06 Thread Paul Mather
On Mar 6, 2018, at 12:39 PM, Walter Parker wrote: > On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 6:38 PM, Curtis Maurand wrote: > >> ZFS is a memory hog. you need 1 GB of RAM for each TB of disk. > > > Curtis, can you provide some more details? I have been testing this for the > last couple of weeks and ZFS does

Re: [pfSense] ZFS on 2.4.2

2018-03-06 Thread Walter Parker
On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 6:38 PM, Curtis Maurand wrote: > ZFS is a memory hog. you need 1 GB of RAM for each TB of disk. Curtis, can you provide some more details? I have been testing this for the last couple of weeks and ZFS doesn't require 1G for each TB to function (which is the standard mea

Re: [pfSense] ZFS on 2.4.2

2018-03-05 Thread Curtis Maurand
ZFS is a memory hog.   you need 1 GB of RAM for each TB of disk. On 3/1/2018 1:49 AM, Walter Parker wrote: Forgot to CC the list. On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 10:13 PM, Walter Parker wrote: Thank you for the backup script. By my calculations, 2G should be enough. If I limit the ARC cache to 1G,

Re: [pfSense] ZFS on 2.4.2

2018-03-01 Thread Vick Khera
Here's my simple backup script function. Just stick it into a /bin/sh script (should work in bash too) and call it once per pfSense instance. I've been using this for years to backup my production firewalls. pfsense_config() { local FWNAME FWURL FWPASS CSRF CSRF2 COOKIEFILE PFDATE FWNAME="

Re: [pfSense] ZFS on 2.4.2

2018-02-28 Thread Walter Parker
Forgot to CC the list. On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 10:13 PM, Walter Parker wrote: > Thank you for the backup script. > > By my calculations, 2G should be enough. If I limit the ARC cache to 1G, > that leaves 1G for applications & kernel memory. As I'm not serving the 6TB > drive up as a file server,

Re: [pfSense] ZFS on 2.4.2

2018-02-22 Thread Vick Khera
You don't need to export the pool on shutdown. Even an unclean shutdown should survive automatically on the reboot. I can't think of a reason ZFS would fail like you describe. On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:23 PM, Walter Parker wrote: > Hi, > > I have 2.4.2 installed on an SG-2220 from Netgate [nic