Re: Job: I'm looking for one..
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 11:36:27AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: > I'm sure I don't agree with you. If your solution isn't ready (and > tested and all that stuff) at the last minute and no earlier then you > should be using the spare time generated to make the solution better, > right up until the last minute. If your solution conforms to the contracted requirements docs then making it 'better' is presumably something you'd first have to discuss with the client. Paul
Re: Job: I'm looking for one..
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:56:37PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > Try doing Java in Lynx. Or Mosaic. Is there even a plugin for Netscape < > 3.0? Lynx & Mosaic practically don't exist, demographically speaking. > I'd say that's marketing and not something built-in. You want client-side > Perl, you have ActiveState's PerlScript. What, nobody has a client for it? > Well, lack of marketing. Or lack of out-of-the-box installation. > I think there was even a Tcl plugin for Netscape that nobody used. Probably > not because of merit or lack thereof, but just because it wasn't hyped > enough, and/or didn't ship as standard with a major browser. Because Tcl is shit, shurely. In any case, the point is there is lots of stuff Java can do Perl can't, for practical, ease of use -centric values of "can't". Paul
Re: Job: I'm looking for one..
Robin Szemeti wrote: > IMHO to be of any use certification needs to be HUGE .. eg we need > O'Reilly AND Manning behind it or it simply won't fly. We could write a > very comprehensive set of tests and assesment levels, do all that.> The theory driving test in this country was doen by getting driving instructors/examiners to send in questiosn and then they assesed them and stuck them in the question pool. Perhaps something like that might be in order - get peeps to send in questions and then get 'editors' to grade them from 0 (silly/rejected) to 5 (damnably hard Deep Perl Wizadry).
Re: Buffycode (was Re: "That book")
David H. Adler wrote: > The canonical phrasing (mjd in his guise as RETARDO): YOU CAN'T JUST > MAKE SHIT UP AND EXPECT THE COMPUTER TO MAGICALLY KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN! As can be easily retrieved by telling purl to "be mjd". Cheers, Philip (That version has s/MEAN!/MEAN, RETARDO!/ , which is the way I remember it, too; I think there (is|was) also an MS Comic Chat version of that on mjd's homepage.) -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.
Robin Szemeti wrote: > On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, you wrote: Hey, check your attributions -- "you" is not very useful when you're sending stuff to a mailing list :) > > or nslookup will have to be smart enough[1] to translate > > "randomkanji" to "bq--buffy" before asking the resolver > > library. > > err [1] unlikely to happen because its deprecated as of > BIND-tools version 9.1 nslookup deprecated? Rats. > you are apparently supposed to use dig or host .. my feeling is that > nslookup is too easy to use and useful so they decided to > deprecate it to make it harder for non BIND gurus to be able to > tell wahts going on ... Yes, it's useful. I like nslookup. (Plus I feel that dig is pretty verbose, but maybe there's a flag to control that that I've been too lazy to look for.) Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.
> nslookup deprecated? Rats. Good riddence. > Yes, it's useful. I like nslookup. (Plus I feel that dig is pretty verbose, > but maybe there's a flag to control that that I've been too lazy to look > for.) I guess it depends on application. If you need to know the nuts and bolts of a query, use dig. If you only need a quick resolution use host. The problem (for me anyways) was that what you asked for from nslookup need not be what it returned. You would ask it to query one nameserver and it would for no apparent reason ignore your request and use nameservers in your resolve file.
Re: Job: I'm looking for one..
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 01:03:14AM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote: > On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:56:37PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > > Try doing Java in Lynx. Or Mosaic. Is there even a plugin for Netscape < > > 3.0? > > Lynx & Mosaic practically don't exist, demographically speaking. But things like Avantgo - which are getting more and more users all the time - have pretty much the same capabilities as a text-only browser. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ This is a signature. There are many like it but this one is mine. ** I read encrypted mail first, so encrypt if your message is important **
Re: Social Meeting (fwd)
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 12:28:03AM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: > Incidentally, I'm setting up a real ale review page. Send real ale reviews > to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Spring Cascade today at the Orange Brewery brewpub > in Pimlico. Not a bad beer.) Have you tried the Jerusalem Tavern on Britton St, Clerkenwell? If not, hie thee hence at the first opportunity. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ This is a signature. There are many like it but this one is mine. ** I read encrypted mail first, so encrypt if your message is important **
Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.
> > Yes, it's useful. I like nslookup. (Plus I feel that dig is pretty verbose, > > but maybe there's a flag to control that that I've been too lazy to look > > for.) > > I guess it depends on application. If you need to know the nuts and bolts > of a query, use dig. If you only need a quick resolution use host. > > The problem (for me anyways) was that what you asked for from nslookup need > not be what it returned. You would ask it to query one nameserver and it would > for no apparent reason ignore your request and use nameservers in your > resolve file. nslookup does a rather dumb thing: it tries to lookup the reverse DNS for the nameserver it's about to use. Apart from being a waste of time, failure to find the name means it will refuse to query that nameserver. nslookup is a throwback to 1970's UNIX bollocks, as is the whole of the BIND distribution. If you have to use anything from BIND, host and dig are at least somewhat consistent
Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Steve Keay wrote: > nslookup does a rather dumb thing: it tries to lookup the reverse DNS > for the nameserver it's about to use. Apart from being a waste of > time, failure to find the name means it will refuse to query that > nameserver. Why doesn't your nameserver *have* reverse DNS. > nslookup is a throwback to 1970's UNIX bollocks, as is the whole of > the BIND distribution. If you have to use anything from BIND, host > and dig are at least somewhat consistent host(1)'s error messages are often misleading - it can give the message "try again" to nxdomain responses, for example... MBM -- Matthew Byng-Maddick Home: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> +44 20 8980 5714 (Home) http://colondot.net/ Work: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> +44 7956 613942 (Mobile) There are worse things in life than death. Have you ever spent an evening with an insurance salesman? -- Woody Allen
Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.
On Thu Mar 29 15:37:29 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > * - BTW, does that mean that all calls within NI are now charged at local > > rate? Can belfast.pm enlighten me on this? > > Do you really think we'd get that lucky? No we get hit with the charge for a > national call even though it's all in the one area code. They just divide it > with codes for each area, so Belfast in 02890 whilst Lisburn is 02892. Calling from Belfast to Lisburn is charged as a local call, AFAIK. Before the number change Belfast was 01232 and Ards/Bangor was 01247, but calling between them was considered local. Now they are 02890 and 02891, and still local. > So like London we get hit with a 2nd or 3rd change in the last 10 years > and get no real benefit from it. It means that we don't have to dial the STD code when calling within NI, saving three keystrokes: NI is well known for golf, after all. -- Marty PGP signature
Re: CPAN Logo
Jonathan Peterson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth: *>> > when did CPAN get a funky new logo ... *>> > *>> > http://www.cpan.org/misc/jpg/cpan.jpg *>> > *>> *>> H *> *>Indeedy. A logo that on its own gives you no idea that it has anything to do *>with Perl. I especially like the use of a completely new font, rather than *>the one used on O'Reilly books. It's been there since before Christmas. ORA didn't make the logo, a personal friend of mine did as a favour to me. If you know a graphic artist who can manage something attractive while not infringing on trademarks I'm sure we'd love to entertain their artwork. The 'A' is for archive and the logo has it represented as books which we thought was a propos and clever since the exotic barnyard gets old and since CPAN itself doesn't need anything more to give you an idea that it has something to do with Perl. e.
from ntk
RANDAL SCHWARTZ slams London.pm's "Perl is my bitch" T-Shirt - odd, considering: http://www.stonehenge.com/perl/amihooternot/ ... www.ntk.net jp
Re: CPAN Logo
Jonathan Peterson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth: *> *>Indeedy. A logo that on its own gives you no idea that it has anything to do *>with Perl. I especially like the use of a completely new font, rather than *>the one used on O'Reilly books. Also, since the font comment made someone other than myself bristle a bit I would like to point out that ORA is not CPAN in any way, shape or form save the exception of the /doc directory tchrist has on perl.com. CPAN itself has always been maintained out of FUNET, the Finnish University Network which is a state funded and run box and pipe. PAUSE is maintained by Andreas Koenig out of kbx.de in Germany. Neither of these entities are affiliated with ORA. The main ftp/http mirrors are generously maintained by Ask Hansen and Valueclick. The various search and doc engines are also independently maintained and are not affiliated with ORA to the best of our knowledge. Many people seem to make the mistake of thinking that ORA is CPAN so it is not completely unintentional that the 'ora perl font' was not used. That font is ITC Garamond which is fairly old and works well when using a linoleum tool on a pumpkin as you can see; http://chaos.wustl.edu/~elaine/pics/pumpkin/pumpkin2.jpg And if someone does have an artistic friend who would be willing to work for free on a logo do please send them our way. e.
Re: CPAN Logo
Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: > Also, since the font comment made someone other than myself bristle > a bit I would like to point out that ORA is not CPAN in any way, > shape or form save the exception of the /doc directory tchrist has on > perl.com. And I'd like to say that I hope O'Reilly has done nothing to promote the confusion. We make no claims that CPAN is anything to do with us. If you find something we've said or done that might cause that confusion, please tell us and we'll fix it. Saying the CPAN multiplexor here doesn't count, because Tom did that. :-) (and I'm not sure anyone much uses it now, given that the quality of service in CPAN mirrors is a billion times better this year than three years ago). Nat
Re: from ntk
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, James Powell wrote: > RANDAL SCHWARTZ slams London.pm's "Perl is my bitch" > T-Shirt - odd, considering: > http://www.stonehenge.com/perl/amihooternot/ ... thats a bit slow for ntk or is squackers lagging behind (void) where all the action happened yonks ago. A. -- http://termisoc.org/~betty"> Betty @ termisoc.org "As a youngster Fred fought sea battles on the village pond using a complex system of signals he devised that was later adopted by the Royal Navy. " (this email has nothing to do with any organisation except me)
Re: Job: I'm looking for one..
* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:33:59AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > > * Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > Have you thought about charging structures, SAP charge about 300gbp to take > > > a certification exam, and they offer courses that are specifically designed > > > > i had thought about a 20 quid fee to be sent to YAS > > I think (although I'm not sure) Greg sees the plan working the same way as > I do: we (the various trainers involved) provide training courses at our > usual rates which *prepare* the student to take an exam for a nominal fee > to gain accreditation. (ie, training courses don't include or substitute > for the exam.) yip and you build in, a little 10 or 20 quid donation to YAS for everyone done, however this would probably be voluntary or some such - i dont really know. but if you are doing a training course that cost 500+ to attend, 10 or 20 seems reasonable. but as i said , i really dont know yet. -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: from ntk
Aaron Trevena sent the following bits through the ether: > thats a bit slow for ntk Indeed. Thankfully I've removed all pimb talk from my mail archives. Ten months is pretty slow for meme transfer. I declare NTK too slow and hence dead. What's next? ;-) Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... Sex, Bugs, Rock'n'Roll
Re: from ntk
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Leon Brocard wrote: > Aaron Trevena sent the following bits through the ether: > > > thats a bit slow for ntk > > Indeed. Thankfully I've removed all pimb talk from my mail > archives. Ten months is pretty slow for meme transfer. I declare NTK > too slow and hence dead. What's next? ;-) I think the jamie olover link has saved them - it is mighty fine. oh the confectionary is rather worth keeping. A. -- http://termisoc.org/~betty"> Betty @ termisoc.org "As a youngster Fred fought sea battles on the village pond using a complex system of signals he devised that was later adopted by the Royal Navy. " (this email has nothing to do with any organisation except me)
Re: CPAN Logo
Nathan Torkington [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth: *> *>And I'd like to say that I hope O'Reilly has done nothing to promote *>the confusion. We make no claims that CPAN is anything to do with us. *>If you find something we've said or done that might cause that confusion, *>please tell us and we'll fix it. Please stop selling perl books right away ;) I wasn't bashing ORA at all but pointing out that CPAN is not part of ORA. It's a seemingly easy and common mistake people make as ORA is the camel is everything Perl to they who don't see behind the curtain and we aren't going out of our way to dispel that misconception either since it's just a nit. There are a lot of volunteers who keep CPAN running and keep it free from banner ads and other unwanted dreck. Have you hugged your CPAN mirror admin today? :) *>Saying the CPAN multiplexor here doesn't count, because Tom did that. :-) *>(and I'm not sure anyone much uses it now, given that the quality of *>service in CPAN mirrors is a billion times better this year than three *>years ago). The multiplexor was sure cool in its day as, if I'm recalling correctly, Tom had the first or one of the very first North American mirrors and it did a good job of directing people to a nearby mirror instead of futzing with the mirror list. http://gopher.metronet.com:70/R150051-152499-1m/perlinfo/packrats/mailing-list/96 This was also done before ORA officially took stewardship of www.perl.com. I think Ask is actually working on an update to the multiplexor to make it a bit more useful in the days of crazy DNS :) e.
Re: Job: I'm looking for one..
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 01:03:14AM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote: > On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:56:37PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > > Try doing Java in Lynx. Or Mosaic. Is there even a plugin for Netscape < > > 3.0? > > Lynx & Mosaic practically don't exist, demographically speaking. Bzzzt! Lynx doesn't exist *in*the*logs* because a Lynx user d/loads one page sees that the company is basically saying "FUCK OFF I DON'T WANT YOUR BUSINESS" and never comes back. Whereas Nescape/IE d/loads 500 separate line segments, icons, title-bars, tool-bars, spinning logos and other crap and instantly become "demographic-leaders". Mmmm, I think I better chill-out a bit. -- Chris Benson -- Lynx user when I can, Netscape for the crap.
Re: Job: I'm looking for one..
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 09:13:16PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > yip and you build in, a little 10 or 20 quid donation to YAS for > everyone done, however this would probably be voluntary or some > such - i dont really know. but if you are doing a training course > that cost 500+ to attend, 10 or 20 seems reasonable. I like that. "10% of the fees from this course will be donated to Yet Another Society." Hmph. I s'pose I'd better join Yet Another Mailing List. :) -- "Darkly hinting of head hitting desk" -- Megahal (trained on asr), 1998-11-05
Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 01:41:14PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: > host(1)'s error messages are often misleading - it can give the message > "try again" to nxdomain responses, for example... Given how fast .NSI namespace is being eaten up, that doesn't seem like such an unrealistic message :-) Paul
Re: Job: I'm looking for one..
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 11:50:57AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: > But things like Avantgo - which are getting more and more users all the > time - have pretty much the same capabilities as a text-only browser. >From a display point of view, yes, but they certainly have the capability to run a JVM (J2ME -- micro edition). Right now there isn't much call for it but there will be (IMO) with wireless services. Paul
