Re: M$ SQueaLServer
Ian Brayshaw wrote: > What I'm trying to find is industry evidence of SQueaL's performance (or > lack of). The more gory the details the better. It's not unbiased and you have to sift through the cruft but checking old Ask-Slashdots is often worth doing as the occasional person comes up with some hard evidence and some convincing facts. Building Large Scale e-Commerce Systems? http://slashdot.org/askslashdot/00/09/07/1758230.shtml might have some stuff and I'm sure there was something about terabyte database solutions one time Linux Databases with Huge Tables? http://slashdot.org/askslashdot/99/09/29/0520201.shtml RAID Solutions For Terrabyte Databases? http://slashdot.org/askslashdot/01/01/11/2243216.shtml might also have some useful links -- simon wistowwireless systems coder "i think," i said "i think this is our fault."
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-06-04
Leon Brocard wrote: > And where are those London.pm tshirts, eh?, Leon Waiting for Dave to pawn one of his gold plated cats to get the seed money. -- simon wistowwireless systems coder "i think," i said "i think this is our fault."
Big Shiny Toys (was: Re: M$ SQueaLServer)
On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 12:42:34AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: > Leons links to TPC are ace .. thats amazing .. the best NT powered thing > is at a piss poor 1700 ... presumably NT doesnt scale well to a 128 > processor UltraSparc then ;))) AFAIK, the starfire (Sun Ultra Enterprise 1) only goes up to 64 processors (I used to work on an under equipped one ;-) The SGI challenge does 128 procs, though. I also believe that Unisys do 32 processor NT machines, although I heard a rumour that they had stopped recently. At the level of database you're talking about, although multiple processors is nice, and they do want to be *fast*[1], the real critical issue is going to be disk bandwith. Fibre to the drive, baby! Sorry, but I have no experience of SQL server worth mentioning, just Oracle. Although the starfire had 6Gb of RAM in the place I used to work at, it still ran like treacle. But I'm no DBA, so there's probably a very good reason for it doing this. -Dom (still shuddering at the backups of a poxy 250Gb database) [1] The ultrasparc was still stuck at 400Mhz last I looked... -- | Semantico: creators of major online resources | | URL: http://www.semantico.com/ | | Tel: +44 (1273) 72 | | Address: 33 Bond St., Brighton, Sussex, BN1 1RD, UK. |
[Possible Job] Perl, Linux
I'm doing some work for a .com type company in the travel sector. They have a network support blokey and a Windozey programmer type, but since their live system is apache and linux they have a slight hole in their skillset. Are there any of you lot still looking for jobs? Nice offices in W2 BTW. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: Religion
On Thu, 07 Jun 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote: > Anyhow, they > have two different search engines -- the portal one and a 'text only' > one which uses a different system: > > http://www.altavista.com/sites/search/text?raging=1 > > which *does* provide Bax hits... You're right .. it does .. however ... Altavista have just stuck their poxy banner infront of my eyes too many times .. given that google is nice and 'advert light' and low key .. and (although I give you the text-only version is better) altavista is a spamminng PITA .. i'll go for google everytime thanks ;)) the thing I really like about google is its uncanny ability not only to index everything .. but it seems able to find the *right* thing .. many many times the thing I want is in the no1 spot .. with AV its often on page 2, 3 or more ... -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
Re: M$ SQueaLServer
On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 02:24:35AM +1000, Ian Brayshaw wrote: > Have any of you worked with SQueaLServer with a large DB (multiple terabyte > level), serving high volume transactions (read & write, of the order of You'd have to be more specific than that. MS's terraserver http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/default.asp is absolutely fekkin' enormous but is read-only. Consult http://www.oracle.com/ for a near-infinite, and often plausible sounding collection of propaganda. And of course there's Oracle's Million Dollar Challenge wherein they'll hand out $1m if they can't get your MS/DB2/BEA site running at least 3x faster: http://www.oracle.com/guarantee/ Ballsy, to say the least. At the end of the day, the simple fact is that Windows 2000 crashes more frequently than *n[ui]x does -- this surely is unquestioned fact. Whether that costs the company less than hiring a useful Oracle DBA is another matter... Paul -- Change specifics to ambiguities
Re: M$ SQueaLServer
On Thu, 07 Jun 2001, Ian Brayshaw wrote: > >I didn't even reallise you could get NT for serious mips .. I though it > >only ran on likkle PC things ... > > I wouldn't have used the word "ran" ... I did put something about htat but deleted it .. I leave it in next time. I have worked on Solaris boxen that have been up running fo , literally years. I have worked on NT boxes that have worn out hteir power buttons, nuff said. > The chief "advisor" raves about the power, flexibility and price of > SQueaLServer19100 being more than a match for Oracle 8i/9i. obviously clueballs. I haven't run large dbs on NT .. I did for a while run a terrabyte or so of data from a NT machine and some fibrechannel switches, and fibrechannel raid arrays ... the words 'flakey' and 'blue screened again' come to mind ... it would blue screen arouand twice a month and just plain slow up to a crawl around once a week ... > What I'm trying to find is industry evidence of SQueaL's performance (or > lack of). The more gory the details the better. Our VB "guru" exclaims the > ease with which "a major New Zealand bank" rolled out SQueaL on (what I can > presume to be a truck load of) NT servers "without a hitch". He's a nice > guy, but he's living in La-la-land if he thinks the throughput of a Kiwi > bank matches that of an international telco. Leons links to TPC are ace .. thats amazing .. the best NT powered thing is at a piss poor 1700 ... presumably NT doesnt scale well to a 128 processor UltraSparc then ;))) > So far the wailing and gnashing of teeth by the *nix & DBA people have been > ignored. Has anyone else had to deal with this sort of mind set? Any advice > (apart from becoming a US postal worker...) hmm .. well .. depends on how much you need the job ... I quit trying to save idiots from themselves years ago ... tell em .. then tell em what you told em .. then tell em again .. if they still don;t get it then fsck em. they're clueballs. let em implement it and enjoy the laughter. -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
Re: Tie::Hash::Cannabinol
On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 05:10:43AM -0500, Richard Clyne wrote:
> If you request more items than are in the queue (e.g. lots of empty
> seats) the queue returns the items in order. If you request less items
> than are in the queue (Bus almost full) the largest items push through
> and are selected.
package BusStop;
sub FETCH {
rand > .99 ? (
$self->{$keys[rand @keys]},
$self->{$keys[rand @keys]},
$self->{$keys[rand @keys]}) : undef;
}
Paul
--
Always the first steps
Re: M$ SQueaLServer
Leon Brocard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Redvers Davies sent the following bits through the ether: > > > The transactions world record sadly is held by M$ at the moment. > >http://www.tpc.org/tpch/results/h-ttperf.idc Yeah, seen that. It's interesting to note that SQueaL doesn't make an appearance at the terabyte level, which is what we're dealing with. Ian >... Hmm... How *did* they finally kill Frosty? Global warming? _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Re: Religion
On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 11:27:39AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: > because, unlike something actually useful, AV only indexes words in its > dictionary. since bax (although semantically significant) is not in its > dictioanary it don;t find it. pile of shit. Google is oodlsss > better. if you have a part number AE1233499 and you bung it in google, if > its out there, it finds it. Altavista won't. There was a Altavista project called "Raging" which they've now ditched by the looks of it. It was basically a complete look-n-feel-n-functionality rip-off of Google. It's a shame it's not up there any more because it was a model of brazen plagiarism. Anyhow, they have two different search engines -- the portal one and a 'text only' one which uses a different system: http://www.altavista.com/sites/search/text?raging=1 which *does* provide Bax hits... Paul -- Abandon desire
Re: M$ SQueaLServer
Ian Brayshaw sent the following bits through the ether: > If it goes through, this is one coder that will be seeking alternate > employment (along with the rest of the company). It's probably worth letting the company know about this, although they'll probably ignore it. FUD works, you know... Leon, aaa aaahh ahhh chhoou! -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... And he disappeared in a puff of logic
Re: M$ SQueaLServer
Redvers Davies sent the following bits through the ether: > The transactions world record sadly is held by M$ at the moment. http://www.tpc.org/tpch/results/h-ttperf.idc Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... Hmm... How *did* they finally kill Frosty?
Re: M$ SQueaLServer
> I didn't even reallise you could get NT for serious mips .. I though it > only ran on likkle PC things ... The transactions world record sadly is held by M$ at the moment. Red
Re: M$ SQueaLServer
Robin Szemeti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Wed, 06 Jun 2001, Ian Brayshaw wrote: > > > I'm working for a telecoms company that is considering a proposal > to >move its billing system from Oracle on Solaris, to SQueaLServer > & NT. >It's a decision that is coming from management (where > else?), and I'm >trying to find out if it's as ludicrous as it >sounds. > >Ho ho .. Ian, April fools day was ages ago ... > >I didn't even reallise you could get NT for serious mips .. I though it >only ran on likkle PC things ... I wouldn't have used the word "ran" ... Yeah, I know this sounds crazy, but unfortunately the coding world is occasionally inhabited by the unwashed (or should that be brainwashed?). We have a strong (ie vocal) VB development team (sorry for swearing on this list; time to repent: pony pony pony buffy buffy buffy willow willow willow), who are "advising" how to proceed. We also have a new head of IT who is likely to support the move because "it's the same system that I have on my desktop". No one seems to have drawn the connection with its place on the desktop and its inability to do anything beyond (and including) the desktop. The chief "advisor" raves about the power, flexibility and price of SQueaLServer19100 being more than a match for Oracle 8i/9i. What I'm trying to find is industry evidence of SQueaL's performance (or lack of). The more gory the details the better. Our VB "guru" exclaims the ease with which "a major New Zealand bank" rolled out SQueaL on (what I can presume to be a truck load of) NT servers "without a hitch". He's a nice guy, but he's living in La-la-land if he thinks the throughput of a Kiwi bank matches that of an international telco. So far the wailing and gnashing of teeth by the *nix & DBA people have been ignored. Has anyone else had to deal with this sort of mind set? Any advice (apart from becoming a US postal worker...) If it goes through, this is one coder that will be seeking alternate employment (along with the rest of the company). Ian _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-06-04
On Wed, 06 Jun 2001, Leon Brocard wrote: >whether there were any Masai tribespeople on the list. Anyone? Anyone? reminds me of that Reggie Perrin snippet .. 'Is there anyone here from Tarporley ...' I dunno .. maybe I'm getting old. -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-06-04
This is the twentieth weekly summary of the London Perl Mongers mailing list. You may all buy me a drink. For the quiet week starting 2001-06-04: Don't forget the London.pm website for meetings etc. The next meeting is an social meeting on Thursday 7th June (don't forget to vote!) at the Penderel's Oak: http://london.pm.org/ Dave Cross asked for some speakers for the next technical meeting on the 21st June. This'd be a good time to practice those yapc::Europe talks! Robin Houston threatened to "do something about Perl regular expressions and algorithmic complexity"... A thread on crazy golf suddenly changed into a thread about old religions such as the Celts, why drinking blood has gone out of style (apart from Angel), more holidays, and whether there were any Masai tribesperson on the list. Anyone? Anyone? Dave Cross also plugged Inline::PERL: http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=84638 Dave Cross also organised an election drinking spree, leaving the Penderel's Oak earlyish tomorrow and drinking at his house for the next couple of hours. Greg suggested a CGI competition to visualise numbers "in classic Peter Snow style". Marcel Grunauer asked who was gonna be at YAPC::NA in Montreal next week. Looks like Marcel, James, and I will be there. Now, about those slides I should have done... Dean Wilson released another wonderful "London Community News". Another one will be out soon with updated information. Other choice quotes from Robin Szemeti: hmmm .. maybe I need to see this. Greg's "Because we're worth it?": http://217.34.97.146/~gem/pics/london.pm/2000/july/DSCF0036.JPG Dominic Mitchell's: Is "Ultimate Evil" related to "Evil Dave"? If so, will he discuss the project with us? Jonathan Peterson's: "Passivation is the opposite of activation. " Only a Java programmer could be that f**cking bloody minded, pig ignorant, or both. Amusingly, ejbPassivate is a method of entity beans, which look suspiciously like on of the most stupid things I've ever come across. But then I'm not a real programmer. Jonathan Stowe's: Oh my word, why *is* Nathan Barley on 18:23 from Cannon Street? Dave Cross (busy man this week) released Tie::Hash::Cannabinol: And where are those London.pm tshirts, eh?, Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... Gravity is a myth - the earth sucks
Re: Social meet
On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 04:59:26PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Oki, assuming I don't get stranded in rush hour traffic (I'm only > ickle), can find my way to the the PO (I used to do orienteering) > and can recognise you lot, I shall see you tomorrow. Tho' if > anyone going has a mobile I'd appreciate the number just in case. I'm on 07973 553385. Dave...
[JOB] short modperl, long systems at LSE (fwd)
friend at LSE needing 5 days of mod_perl XML freelancing, said i'd pass this along, didnt actually wait for response, but hey. oh gosh, i should finish the london jobs database. and put the new disk in penderel, which it was too sunny to do during the tech meet. early next week i guess :/ soz jo xx -- From: "Emmott,Stephen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm looking for a freelance PERL[sic] programmer to write an Apache module for us - part of our content management solution at LSE. It's a really interesting project based around navigation generated dynamically from metadata (RDF, Dublin Core). We have full specification and statement of work - so whoever does the work will have a clear brief. P.S. We've also advertised for a Systems Officer to work in the department I manage - Website Services: http://jobs.ac.uk/jobfiles/LE213.html
Re: M$ SQueaLServer
On Wed, 06 Jun 2001, Ian Brayshaw wrote: > I'm working for a telecoms company that is considering a proposal to move > its billing system from Oracle on Solaris, to SQueaLServer & NT. It's a > decision that is coming from management (where else?), and I'm trying to > find out if it's as ludicrous as it sounds. Ho ho .. Ian, April fools day was ages ago ... I didn't even reallise you could get NT for serious mips .. I though it only ran on likkle PC things ... -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
Re: Social meet
At 16:59 06/06/01 +0100, you wrote: > Tho' if >anyone going has a mobile I'd appreciate the number just in case. Since the rest of London.pm has my mobile I see no reason for you to be different. - 07989 747 853 I tend to arrive early, leave early. - Jonathan Peterson Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, 020 7383 6092 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
M$ SQueaLServer
Hi guys, Have any of you worked with SQueaLServer with a large DB (multiple terabyte level), serving high volume transactions (read & write, of the order of millions of records a day). What sort of performance did you get? What was the hardware? Was it reliable? I'm working for a telecoms company that is considering a proposal to move its billing system from Oracle on Solaris, to SQueaLServer & NT. It's a decision that is coming from management (where else?), and I'm trying to find out if it's as ludicrous as it sounds. My gut reaction is that it's still too warm in hell to consider this, but maybe I'm just showing my diehard support for *nix, and my desire to see the demise of the Evil Empire. Any tales of first-hand experience (or old wive's tales) would be appreciated. Ian _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Social meet
Oki, assuming I don't get stranded in rush hour traffic (I'm only ickle), can find my way to the the PO (I used to do orienteering) and can recognise you lot, I shall see you tomorrow. Tho' if anyone going has a mobile I'd appreciate the number just in case. L. 07939 476024
Re: LCN June
did anyone on the list work at razorfish uk?
Re: Religion
On Wed, 06 Jun 2001, Paul Mison wrote: > >why do you find it strange .. Morrismen are odd to start with, the fact > >that they get up early in the morning too should comea s no surprise ... > > I meant the crowd watching them. Didn't they have better things to do? blimey now that is odd .. > (My excuse is that work was locked and they didn't give me a key. Which > is silly, since if you have people who want to come in and work over > the weekend, early in the morning or late at night, you should > encourage them, right? No wonder the company has now died.) my word, a company run by clueballs, what a totally unique concept. ;) -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
Re: Tie::Hash::Cannabinol
* Richard Clyne ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I always thought that a data structure that mimicked a bus queue would
> be useful.
>
> If you request more items than are in the queue (e.g. lots of empty
> seats) the queue returns the items in order. If you request less items
> than are in the queue (Bus almost full) the largest items push through
> and are selected.
Fun!
the following should do what you want, although i'm not sure if freezing
non-references is fair on them and i'm sure the sort condition syntax
can be shortened by the perl golfers on the list ...
package BusQueue;
use strict;
use Storable qw(freeze);
sub new {
my $class = shift;
my $self = [];
return bless $self, $class;
}
sub insert {
my $self = shift;
push(@$self, @_);
}
sub remove {
my $self = shift;
my ($num) = @_;
@$self = sort {
my $sa;
my $sb;
if (ref($a)) {
$sa = length(freeze($a));
} else {
$sa = length(freeze(\$a));
}
if (ref($b)) {
$sb = length(freeze($b));
} else {
$sb = length(freeze(\$b));
}
$sb <=> $sa;
} @$self;
return splice @$self, 0, $num;
}
1;
--
Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Religion
On 06/06/2001 at 11:27 +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: >On Wed, 06 Jun 2001, Paul Mison wrote: >> On the day of the last general election I saw the May Day morris men >> outside Norwich Cathedral. Odd juxtaposition if you ask me. Turns out >> it was this lot. (There was a surprisingly big group of people, >> considering how early in the morning it was.) > >why do you find it strange .. Morrismen are odd to start with, the fact >that they get up early in the morning too should comea s no surprise ... I meant the crowd watching them. Didn't they have better things to do? (My excuse is that work was locked and they didn't give me a key. Which is silly, since if you have people who want to come in and work over the weekend, early in the morning or late at night, you should encourage them, right? No wonder the company has now died.) -- :: paul :: 'this incredibly cool hands-on :: bongo drum thing isn't easy.' dadadodo
Re: Tie::Hash::Cannabinol
On Wed, 06 Jun 2001, Simon Wistow wrote:
> Cross David - dcross wrote:
>
> > return $self->{$keys[rand $#keys]};
>
> Shouldn't this just gradually start to forget more and more things using
> Tie::Hash::Decay?
no .. if the program is left alone for a while it begins attaching really
carefully constructed little data structures to each element of the hash,
and then filling little arrays of data structures with really small
patterns ...
--
Robin Szemeti
Redpoint Consulting Limited
Real Solutions For A Virtual World
Re: Religion
On Wed, 06 Jun 2001, Paul Mison wrote: > On 06/06/2001 at 10:47 +0100, Peter Haworth wrote: > >On Sat, 2 Jun 2001 19:54:04 +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: > >> however Sir Arnold Bax [1] got slightly closer to the truth: > >> > >> "One should try everything once, except incest and folk dancing" > > >Bah, I had it in my sig file (now amended) as Sir Thomas Beecham. However, > >see the bottom of http://www.paston.co.uk/ukppg/kempsmen.html for a bit of > >investigation. yeah ... Beecham .. famous bloke .. his 'powders' are crap though :) > Argh! Paston Chase! Norwich! Make the memories stop, Daddy! > > On the day of the last general election I saw the May Day morris men > outside Norwich Cathedral. Odd juxtaposition if you ask me. Turns out > it was this lot. (There was a surprisingly big group of people, > considering how early in the morning it was.) why do you find it strange .. Morrismen are odd to start with, the fact that they get up early in the morning too should comea s no surprise ... > >Incidentally, why won't AltaVista find any pages containing "arnold bax"? > >(or "arnold", or "bax", for that matter) > > I think you'll find everyone's using Google these days, cos it's not > shit. AV looks borked to me. because, unlike something actually useful, AV only indexes words in its dictionary. since bax (although semantically significant) is not in its dictioanary it don;t find it. pile of shit. Google is oodlsss better. if you have a part number AE1233499 and you bung it in google, if its out there, it finds it. Altavista won't. basically AV isn't worth the electrons its written with. use gooogle -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
Re: old pictures
On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 11:09:22AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > * Mark Fowler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Lucy McWilliam wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: > > > > > > > just looking at some old pictures of london.pm meetings and YAPC::Europe > > > > and i came across the classic, London.pm drinking in a hair dressing salon, > > > > > > Why oh why? > > > > Infact, more to the point, where is this? I seem to be in shot, though I > > have no recollection of any hair dressing salons. And I wasn't that drunk > > at YAPC::E (unfortunately) > > > > It was the same night we acquired the toilet seat, and the jugs of TVR. > The hair salon in question is along the road from PO. I do my level best not to be reminded of this sort of thing, and every time I think I've forgotten some smartass comes and reminds me. Thank You very much. -- James A. Duncan "Do you want to see can't call method "eject" on undefined value at F16.pm line 32768?" -- Nathan Torkinton PGP signature
Re: tape changes
on 5/6/01 10:31 am, Robin Szemeti wrote: > hmm .. we're trying to justify a move to 5gb a month .. at which point > Nildram sounds like a cheaper option. ... is Aylesbury nice? No :) But hopefully you wouldn't need to go there that often (just when the root password expires ho hum). I think there best selling point is shown in one of their newsgroups nildram.service - you've got Adrian, the MD, telling customers to complain more, and telling off ex-Nildram staffers for justifying when things go wrong. c. (8.2gb a month and rising) -- every day, computers are making people easier to use http://www.unorthodoxstyles.com
RE: Tie::Hash::Cannabinol
I always thought that a data structure that mimicked a bus queue would
be useful.
If you request more items than are in the queue (e.g. lots of empty
seats) the queue returns the items in order. If you request less items
than are in the queue (Bus almost full) the largest items push through
and are selected.
Richard
> -Original Message-
> From: Simon Wistow [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 06 June 2001 11:11
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Tie::Hash::Cannabinol
>
> Cross David - dcross wrote:
>
> > return $self->{$keys[rand $#keys]};
>
> Shouldn't this just gradually start to forget more and more things
> using
> Tie::Hash::Decay?
>
> And then start consuming your resources when it gets the munchies?
>
> Or chuck a whitey and start spewing out spurious data everywhere or
> ...
>
> I'll get me coat.
>
>
> --
> simon wistowwireless systems coder
> "i think," i said "i think this is our fault."
Re: Tie::Hash::Cannabinol
* Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > return rand > 0.5; > cool, thats a simple but neat bit of syntax that had never occured to me. -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Religion
On 06/06/2001 at 10:47 +0100, Peter Haworth wrote: >On Sat, 2 Jun 2001 19:54:04 +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: >> however Sir Arnold Bax [1] got slightly closer to the truth: >> >> "One should try everything once, except incest and folk dancing" >Bah, I had it in my sig file (now amended) as Sir Thomas Beecham. However, >see the bottom of http://www.paston.co.uk/ukppg/kempsmen.html for a bit of >investigation. Argh! Paston Chase! Norwich! Make the memories stop, Daddy! On the day of the last general election I saw the May Day morris men outside Norwich Cathedral. Odd juxtaposition if you ask me. Turns out it was this lot. (There was a surprisingly big group of people, considering how early in the morning it was.) >Incidentally, why won't AltaVista find any pages containing "arnold bax"? >(or "arnold", or "bax", for that matter) I think you'll find everyone's using Google these days, cos it's not shit. AV looks borked to me. -- :: paul :: 'this incredibly cool hands-on :: bongo drum thing isn't easy.' dadadodo
Re: old pictures
* Mark Fowler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Lucy McWilliam wrote: > > > On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: > > > > > just looking at some old pictures of london.pm meetings and YAPC::Europe > > > and i came across the classic, London.pm drinking in a hair dressing salon, > > > > Why oh why? > > Infact, more to the point, where is this? I seem to be in shot, though I > have no recollection of any hair dressing salons. And I wasn't that drunk > at YAPC::E (unfortunately) > It was the same night we acquired the toilet seat, and the jugs of TVR. The hair salon in question is along the road from PO. -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Tie::Hash::Cannabinol
Cross David - dcross wrote:
> return $self->{$keys[rand $#keys]};
Shouldn't this just gradually start to forget more and more things using
Tie::Hash::Decay?
And then start consuming your resources when it gets the munchies?
Or chuck a whitey and start spewing out spurious data everywhere or ...
I'll get me coat.
--
simon wistowwireless systems coder
"i think," i said "i think this is our fault."
Tie::Hash::Cannabinol
Once an idea gets into my head, the only way to shake it off is to go away
and write it :)
Dave...
package Tie::Hash::Cannabinol;
use strict;
use vars qw($VERSION @ISA @EXPORT @EXPORT_OK);
require Exporter;
require Tie::Hash;
@ISA = qw(Exporter Tie::StdHash);
@EXPORT = qw();
@EXPORT_OK =();
$VERSION = '0.01';
sub FETCH {
my $self = shift;
my @keys = keys %$self;
return $self->{$keys[rand $#keys]};
}
sub EXISTS {
return rand > 0.5;
}
1;
__END__
=head1 NAME
Tie::Hash::Cannabinol - A hash on hash!
=head1 SYNOPSIS
use Tie::Hash::Cannabinol;
my %h;
tie %h, 'Tie::Hash::Cannabinol';
=head1 DESCRIPTION
The idea of writing a tied hash called T::H::C was just too good to ignore.
You can store values in this hash just as you would a normal hash, but
when you ask for a value back, you get any random value from the hash.
The C function isn't really to be trusted either :)
=head1 AUTHOR
Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
=head1 SEE ALSO
perl(1).
perltie(1).
=cut
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Re: Religion
On Sat, 2 Jun 2001 19:54:04 +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: > however Sir Arnold Bax [1] got slightly closer to the truth: > > "One should try everything once, except incest and folk dancing" > > nuff said. > > [1] oft, incorrectly, attributed to George Bernard Shaw (who said it also, > but later) Bah, I had it in my sig file (now amended) as Sir Thomas Beecham. However, see the bottom of http://www.paston.co.uk/ukppg/kempsmen.html for a bit of investigation. Incidentally, why won't AltaVista find any pages containing "arnold bax"? (or "arnold", or "bax", for that matter) -- Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Even VB programmers ridicule VB programmers." -- Simon Wistow
Re: old pictures
On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
>
> > just looking at some old pictures of london.pm meetings and YAPC::Europe
> > and i came across the classic, London.pm drinking in a hair dressing salon,
>
> Why oh why?
Infact, more to the point, where is this? I seem to be in shot, though I
have no recollection of any hair dressing salons. And I wasn't that drunk
at YAPC::E (unfortunately)
--
s'' Mark Fowler London.pm Bath.pm
http://www.twoshortplanks.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
';use Term'Cap;$t=Tgetent Term'Cap{};print$t->Tputs(cl);for$w(split/ +/
){for(0..30){$|=print$t->Tgoto(cm,$_,$y)." $w";select$k,$k,$k,.03}$y+=2}
