Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-12

2001-03-14 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 06:02:04PM +, Leon Brocard wrote: a picture of him drinking a beer from the London.pm website. Misparse! Misparse! Misparse! -- We use Linux for all our mission-critical applications. Having the source code means that we are not held hostage by anyone's support

Re: Version control

2001-03-15 Thread Simon Cozens
On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 09:45:34PM -, Jim Gillespie wrote: But there are alternatives. Does anyone here have any comments on Perforce or Clearcase? Use Perforce. It's very good. It took me quite a while to get the hang of ClearCase but I was growing to like it by the end of my

Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-20 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 03:44:04PM +, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: Am I allowed to mention -MM-DD, which actually sorts best of all... Do we really not learn from Y2K? You have a Y10K problem. -- For me, UNIX is a way of being. -Armando P. Stettner

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-21 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 04:19:57PM +, Mark Fowler wrote: One of my collegues asked me about Perl training courses in the U.K. To be honest, we have no idea what is good, what is bad, etc, and so I suggested asking you lot. NetThink will be running some courses soon. Don't want to

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-21 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 12:15:17AM -, Dean S Wilson wrote: Anyone submitting anything for this? http://www.ukuug.org/events/linux2001/ Yup, I've been approached for some tutorials for that. -- It's a short step from using alt.binaries.warez.protocol-droids.c3p0 to Palpatine seeing a post

Re: Linux.com

2001-03-22 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 04:08:30AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: Anyone have any experience of these events? I've done a couple, one for devshed.com and one for someone else. I forget. Is it worth getting involved. It doesn't hurt, but it is a *leetle* bit of a waste of time. And boy, you get

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-22 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 06:41:07PM +, Dave Cross wrote: You have a decent Perl debugger. It's called perl -d. The most effective debugging tool is still careful thought, coupled with judiciously placed print statements. -Kernighan, 1978 -- use POSIX;e(1);sub

Re: Debuggers (was Re: Perl Training Courses)

2001-03-22 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 10:36:01AM +, Dean wrote: Wait till Activestate get their IDE's out for Linux It's already out, I thought. Needs Perl and Python and all sorts of bits and pieces installed. -- People who love sausages, respect the law, and work with IT standards shouldn't watch

Re: Debian question ...

2001-03-22 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 01:43:28PM +, David Cantrell wrote: is there an easy way of getting a list of all the packages which are currently installed? I dislike dselect intensely, and the docs for dpkg et al don't say anything useful. dpkg -l -- "Life sucks, but it's better than the

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-22 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 12:03:02PM +, Robin Szemeti wrote: But debugging tools can be very very good .. If anyone has used the Borland Turbo Debugger for C / C++ you'll know what I mean . even the old DOS version is just plain brilliant .. step around code, change registers, place watches

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-23 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:37:13PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (BTW does anyone know of any open source memory leak detection tools?) GNU checker is surprisingly good. Unfortunately, I'm in offline mode right now and can't find a URL. It's gccchecker in Debian. -- It's 106 miles from

Re: white wine

2001-03-26 Thread Simon Cozens
On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 10:34:38PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: I just had to buy a bottle of Pendulum Zinfandel at the weekend - its Italian and comes in a shiny gold bottle ... and despite appearances its actually a fairly good red wine. Ooh good. I got one of them for Christmas and still

Re: white wine

2001-03-26 Thread Simon Cozens
On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 11:22:34PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: Unfortunately, the lovely Italian wine I found in caffs throughout Naples back in November does not seem to be available over here at all. Why ship the good stuff to the ignorant Brits when they can keep it for themselves? Sounds

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:02:48PM +0100, alex wrote: ps the big killer is that there is no large corporate generating tons of noise about Perl - whereas this is not the case for Java. Wait until TPC. -- Thus spake the master programmer: "After three days without programming, life

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:58:36PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: It's not just that, if a software house wants to support a languages interaction with its product, where does it go for Perl? P5P? CLPM? NetThink? :) Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest problems

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:05:43PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: If I see a sensible plan for certification, this sounds sensible, but consider what most people think of eg. MCSEs. That's mainly due to the M rather than the C. -- She said that she was working for the ABC News, It was as

Re: Certifiable ( was Re: Job: I'm looking for one.. )

2001-03-28 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:57:45PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: Maybe I should start a mailing list for discussion of this stuff tomorrow - thoughts ? Sounds a good idea. We're also happy to host it, if you want. -- "Irrigation of the land with seawater desalinated by fusion power is

Re: Certifiable ( was Re: Job: I'm looking for one.. )

2001-03-28 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 10:22:37PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: There _was_ a Perl certification mailing list that Skud started a while back. Unless we're thinking of different things, wasn't that just perl-trainers? Don't know if it still exists tho' - been quiet for a while. Nothing on

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-28 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 04:45:09PM -0500, Chris Devers wrote: Heh -- they're one of my company's main competitors. I don't know the first thing about them *cough*. Hey, that's not good, you know. :) -- The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be regarded as a

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:33:59AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Have you thought about charging structures, SAP charge about 300gbp to take a certification exam, and they offer courses that are specifically designed i had thought about a 20 quid

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-29 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:30:26AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: ok, but i wouldn't worry about b. anytime soon, you have to remember Larry has said, he'd rather be certified than see perl certification (or something similar) Bzzt. That was to do with ANSI certification. -- "You can have my

Re: Buffycode (was Re: That book)

2001-03-29 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:45:23AM +0100, Aaron Trevena wrote: proposes the creation of a Parse::Perl::Approx module :) ^^ What does it do? It, er... parses Perl. Strictly speaking it doesn't do anything, due to not currently existing. ooh! I though

Re: Social Meeting (fwd)

2001-03-29 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:25:38AM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:48:05PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: ok it looks like PO .. or the anchor! Do either do real ale? PO has a Cask Marque and is listed in CAMRA's 2001 Good Beer Guide. So, uh, yes.

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-30 Thread Simon Cozens
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 09:13:16PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: yip and you build in, a little 10 or 20 quid donation to YAS for everyone done, however this would probably be voluntary or some such - i dont really know. but if you are doing a training course that cost 500+ to attend, 10 or 20

Re: when are we going to see the caaaamels

2001-04-03 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 05:29:58PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote: I anyone thinks they owe for a slice, plesae let me know. I think they would get a little upset if you started slicing up the camels. -- There is no distinction between any AI program and some existent game.

Re: Crazy Idea

2001-04-03 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 05:21:48PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: Is dave cross written in Perl? "Dave Cross Munging with Perl" ISAGN. -- Only two things are infinite: the universe and human ignorance. -A. Einstein

Re: The Open Constitution Project (was Re: Crazy Idea)

2001-04-03 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 06:56:25PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: OK. SO we persuade Mr Horne to blag us electronic copies of the entire UK law, upload it to the CVS server on SourceForge and then announce the project on slashdot Bizarrely enough, I'm involved a project to do something

Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-04 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:31:41AM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote: Perl is easier to parse simply because all the irregularities are known and documented. They're not in English. In addition to the above ^^ Uhm,

Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-04 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 09:19:32PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: Paul, whose uni got nicked in fscking cambridge. "*think* *think* Don't they have enough universities of their own?" -- Britain has football hooligans, Germany has neo-Nazis, and France has farmers. -The Times

Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-04 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:10:11PM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote: Ah, but with perl code there is a definite 'correct' parsing (whatever /usr/bin/perl does[1]) but with the English language that isn't true. I'm afraid that's as silly as me declaring that there's only one correct parsing of English,

Re: Test

2001-04-04 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:19:15PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: Feature request - IMAP client. Mail::IMAPClient exists, so I guess it's a real possibility. When I get a spare second. (Yeah, right.) -- We *have* dirty minds. This is not news. - Kake Pugh

Re: Mail archiving scripts?

2001-04-04 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:50:34PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote: Following on from recent topics, can anyone point me at any scripts to help with breaking up mailbox files? This is what I do: Use Mail::Audit in a loop over the mailbox, doing something like this: my ($y, $m) =

Re: Test

2001-04-05 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 10:41:56AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: There's also Mail::Cclient (by Malcolm Beattie) which can be tricky to install and the interface is a bit unfriendly That's the fault of the underlying Cclient library. :( -- Sendmail may be safely run set-user-id to root.

Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-05 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:54:25PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: Grr. I don't *want* to turn into an elitist wanker I seem to solve this by being one all along... -- VMS must die!

Re: CiP value =1.5?

2001-04-06 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 11:24:57PM +, Robin Szemeti wrote: @P=split//,".URRUU\c8R";@d=split//,"\n?neht krow siht seod woh oS";sub p{@p{"r$p","u$p"}=(P,P);pipe"r$p","u$p";++$p;($q*=2)+=$f=!fork;map{$P= $P[$f^ord ($p{$_})6];$p{$_}=/^$P/ix?$P:close$_}keys%p}p;p;p;p;p;map{$p {$_}=~/^[P.]/

Re: Silly postings

2001-04-06 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 05:27:57PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: No, best pizza is in NY or the hypehnated environs. You go to Italky for the wine and the antipasti. It's a hell of a trip back for the main course, though. -- People in a Position to Know, Inc.

Re: The Most Boring Thread Ever on London.pm : Cool Letter Heads

2001-04-13 Thread Simon Cozens
On Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 12:04:15AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: ooh .. that reminds me .. the Census man has just dropped a form in .. I didn't reallise it was this year .. excellent .. now dont forget .. your religion is 'Jedi' ok ? "Discordian". No, seriously. (Fnord) -- It is now pitch

Re: Komodo

2001-04-17 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 05:57:17PM +0100, Dean wrote: Has anyone got an views on it or the Linux version? The Linux version is broken; it won't install, claiming you need a new license. brev lathos: I just talked to the Komodo lead. He suggests a) don't evaluate Komodo on the Linux version,

Re: re-release of autodial

2001-04-17 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 01:54:56PM +0100, Aaron Trevena wrote: it no longer kills dia This appears not to be the case, as of dia 0.86. -- I did write and prove correct a 20-line program in January, but I made the mistake of testing it on our VAX and it had an error, which two weeks of

Re: Komodo

2001-04-17 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 07:12:32PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: Methinks Activestate are too much in the Windows world I note that the Linux distribution of Kodomo contained complete distributions of Mozilla, Perl and Python. -- The sky already fell. Now what? -- Steven Wright

Re: What did I miss?

2001-04-18 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:28:58AM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: has anyone noticed much traffic on the perl-cert list or is my subscription just funted? No. Greg was going to tell us Ze Master Plan. I think it involves alcohol. -- The best book on programming for the layman is "Alice in

Re: CPAN search from mozilla address bar

2001-04-18 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 01:35:25PM +0100, Struan Donald wrote: no idea if anyone will find this useful but: if you use mozilla (on linux/*nix at least) stick this: To do something similar for Netscape, look at http://bofh.concordia.ca/ns/ns-cli.txt (Netscape can call out to a CGI program to

Re: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:58:00AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: umm ... since Linux accounts (at a guess) for 75% of Perl usauge, thats quite an 'afterthought'. That's irrelevant. ActiveState's business is 90% Windows, so they do Windows first. -- ZenHam heh, yeah, but Aretha could be

Re: Mourning clothes for London.pm

2001-04-18 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 10:29:43AM -0500, Mike Jarvis wrote: CNN reports that BtVS's SMG will wed Freddie Prinz. You know you've been core hacking too long when you read that as "SVtB's set magic". -- Um. There is no David conspiracy. Definitely not. No Kate conspiracy either. No. No, there

Re: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 10:23:34PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: I can not see however a place in linux for any perl IDE that doesnt use a standard perl install. simple as that. Then don't buy one. Those who do, will. Isn't the free market great? -- Doubt is a pain too lonely to know that

Re: Komodo

2001-04-18 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 10:34:30PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: but I should also add that I see anyhting which looks like splintering the nice world of One Big [*nix] Perl [1] into several different incompatible AS Perl on Unix isn't incompatible. -- dngor Every little bit of seaweed kelps.

Re: Komodo

2001-04-19 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:02:03AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: Then you're missing half the fun. Seriously. M-x compile was the reason I started using emacs in the first place. And I \N{WHITE HEART SUIT} M-x gdb -- I respect faith, but doubt is what gives you an education. --

Re: JOB: Another one (Banking)

2001-04-19 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 01:38:44PM +0100, Paul Mison wrote: There's a fairly long standing and, from what I remember, well respected habit of using JOB in the subject line- if it really annoys you, filtering on that should reduce the jobness of the list quite a lot. Ah, bingo. Thanks. Of

Re: (Don't Laugh) Buying PGP

2001-04-19 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 05:12:57PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: Can't you call it an "Enterprise cross-platform file sharing solution" or something like that? So is Napster. -- DEC diagnostics would run on a dead whale. -- Mel Ferentz

Re: next social meeting vs tube strike

2001-04-19 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 05:12:20PM +0100, Mike Wyer wrote: The okapi was much better (think giraffe crossed with zebra with a tongue any muff diver would kill for) Do they have bonobo? I thought bonobo were the generic sexual zoo inhabitant. -- "MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight --

Re: Company Name

2001-04-25 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:02:16AM +0100, Robert Shiels wrote: How did contractors here come up with the names for their companies Your main choice is between sounding established, professional or informal. Established companies contain merely names, and give no indication of what they do:

Re: Company Name

2001-04-25 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 01:39:38PM +0100, Robert Shiels wrote: I thought of Shiels IT Services, but one potential acronym of this is not very pleasing :-) Well, that might be a feature, you know. After all, it's what a lot of people think of when they think of contractors. -- Simon: `hello

Re: MySQL - Oracle wrapper/compat. libs

2001-04-27 Thread Simon Cozens
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 06:50:18PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: OK, I give you Perl, the Perl debugger, and B::Generate. First one to optimise Perl code (maybe replacing bits of Perl with XS on the fly?) gets a pat on the back. I think NI-S is working on it; see recent perl6-language discussion

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-27 Thread Simon Cozens
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 05:55:06PM -0400, Alex Page wrote: Blimey, there's an Oxford perl mongers! You mean I'm not the only perl coder in this city?!? No. -- I find that anthropomorphism really doesn't help me with a place full of bugs. -- Megahal (trained on asr), 1998-11-06

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-27 Thread Simon Cozens
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 11:00:40PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 05:55:06PM -0400, Alex Page wrote: Blimey, there's an Oxford perl mongers! You mean I'm not the only perl coder in this city?!? No. By which I mean, yes, you're not. And, of course, we've got Malcolm

Re: Boozers in Dublin

2001-04-27 Thread Simon Cozens
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 11:07:08PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: Can any of you boozy reprobates recommend a boozer in Dublin for a geeky piss-up? My first recommendation would be the Messrs. Maguire on Burgh Key is a nice place - very *big* pub (it's on three levels) and serves pretty good

Re: DBD::*-bind_param() ?

2001-04-27 Thread Simon Cozens
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 12:16:32PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: Clearly says someone who's hasn't installed Oracle recently! You can install Oracle now? Wow, they must have really been fixing it of late. -- If the code and the comments disagree, then both are probably wrong.

Re: Apocalypse Two

2001-05-04 Thread Simon Cozens
On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 08:14:47PM +1000, Damian Conway wrote: package DotsForArrows; use Filter::Simple; FILTER { s/\b\.(?=[a-z_\$({[])/-/gi }; That's BORING. Obviously the right way to do it is to allow lvalue overloaded operators, and overload . for everything. -- The

Re: Movies (was Re: Buffy musings ...)

2001-05-09 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 08:55:16AM -0600, Nathan Torkington wrote: On the subject of music (despite the Subject: of movies) ... anyone here into trad. Irish instrumental music? Yes, very definitely. Unfortunately I don't play anything vaguely relevant, apart from the guitar. I'd *really* love

Re: Bah!

2001-05-10 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 11:22:45AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: Do you write it in raw Tex/LaTeX, or do you generate that from some other format (like, perhaps, XML)? I'd be interested in seeing the intermediate stages. For my writing these days, I do SGML - tex ( - pdf | - dvi -

Re: Monitors

2001-05-11 Thread Simon Cozens
On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 04:22:04PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: How many things do you have on top of your monitor? Nothing. If your monitor cost as much as mine, you'd keep it sacrosanct too. -- SM is fun. ADSM is not. Safe, Sane, Consensual... three words that cannot used to describe

Re: see attachment

2001-05-12 Thread Simon Cozens
On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 04:08:27PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: Aha - some dark evil force creates a website (BIG FONTS) that attracts young people from the world and has lots of flashy stuff on it (ok it would be flash, but this is a movie, so its just going to be BIG FONTS AND SWIRLING

Re: see attachment

2001-05-12 Thread Simon Cozens
On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 08:06:48PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: Snow Crash, essentially. I was thinking recently about how well it would work as a film. You're obviously not the only one: http://www.corona.bc.ca/films/details/snowcrash.html -- Intel engineering seem to have misheard Intel

Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-13 Thread Simon Cozens
On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 03:30:31AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/18866.html Absurd, laughable and bizarre. What *is* wrong with the UK? Don't ask me, you elected 'em. And it looks like you're all stupid enough to do it *again*. -- Pray to God, but keep

Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-13 Thread Simon Cozens
On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 05:22:49PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: How can any socialist not feel that when it came to the crunch socialism was rejected by intelligent people who understood its principals and benefits intimitadly because they could see it would not work for modern Britain? Which

Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-13 Thread Simon Cozens
On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 05:35:24PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: Do the Lib Dems think along these lines? No-one knows cos the LDs have never seemed to have any policies ever. Actually, I like the idea of parties which don't have any policies. They're supposed to represent what we tell them to

Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-13 Thread Simon Cozens
On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 06:30:44PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: Hey, what if we had a system where we just elected a *candidate* we liked, like one for each local area or something? Pretty crazy, huh? Democracy? In this country? It wouldn't work. Democracy is overrated. I think a meritocracy is

Re: see attachment

2001-05-14 Thread Simon Cozens
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 10:52:50AM +0100, Peter Haworth wrote: I keep meaning to ask, where do all these plan9 bad day quotes come from? The plan9 fortune file. It's the mistakes they made while they were developing it. -- yes /dev/kmem # Shutdown is broken. This'll have to do -

Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-14 Thread Simon Cozens
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 10:37:23AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: Here's a pretty fundamental issue. Why do so many people seem to think that low taxes are good? Rule one, man, rule one. -- TorgoX EFNet is like one big advertisement for lobotomies.

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Simon Cozens
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:16:27PM +0100, Matthew Jones wrote: It also irtritates me when the oil companies hike fuel prices and the dump the pump lobby respond by suggesting that the government drop tax. Why don't they ever have a go at BP or Shell? You don't elect BP or Shell. -- He was a

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Simon Cozens
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 11:17:14AM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: 2. A teacher can't be alone in a room with a pupil unless the door is open. I know it's one of those Zen koans, but I just can't work it out. -- Feed me on TOASTIES! There's no HALL for PHILOSOPHERS ON FRIDAYS. - Henry

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Simon Cozens
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 03:49:26PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: Unless the door to the pupil's mind is open then there is no teacher. And he was enlightened. http://simon-cozens.org/hacks/grok -- For detailed information on the info command, type man info. - plan9 has a bad day

Re: JAMES DUNCAN

2001-05-14 Thread Simon Cozens
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 04:45:13PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: Particularly with the lack of an Internet Driving License, anyway. It's crap, but... http://www.ecdl.com/ -- emacs: Terminal type emacs is not powerful enough to run Emacs.

Re: JAMES DUNCAN

2001-05-14 Thread Simon Cozens
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 05:54:26PM +0200, Niklas Nordebo wrote: It's crap, but... http://www.ecdl.com/ Isn't that more of a Microsoft Driving License? It may have escaped your notice but the people who need it tend to be the people likely to use Microsoft software... -- IT support will,

Re: BOFHs requiring license

2001-05-14 Thread Simon Cozens
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 01:58:41PM -0400, Piers Cawley wrote: Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rule one, man, rule one. What? Always be wary of smiling old men? lathos purl, rule one? purl it has been said that rule one is People Are Stupid -- They laughed at Columbus, they laughed

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 10:10:23AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: we are considering funding the development of a procmail-a-like for snail-mail. I want a procphone. -- VMS must die!

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:15:32PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:04:24PM +0100, James Powell wrote: Heh, don't forget to have a RBL-like list of source telephone numbers. Definitely. A whitelist too, of course. Now *this* is why I want programmable mobile phones. --

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:30:59PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: Ho hum. If I wasn't trying to get some work done, I'd grab sphinx and write some code. One of the things I plan to do on my way around America after TPC is sit down with Kevin and DHD and start writing some funky robots. sphinx +

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:43:59PM +0100, James Powell wrote: No; many people withhold automatically, it a legitimate privacy concern. That's what the terse message is for (reveal yourself, or bugger off). I suppose it could go to answerphone. Caller detect doesn't work for international

Re: Enough!

2001-05-15 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 01:25:23PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Caller detect doesn't work for international calls either. Untrue. When I get calls from friends in Sweden I can see who they are. And when I get calls from Japan, which happens about

Re: Latest Perl Journal

2001-05-16 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 01:19:36PM +0100, Robin Houston wrote: What's the footnote on page 78, Dave? IAND, but... I like the fact that the new name includes the word Symbol, since it means that we can also call it The::Module::Formerly::Known::as::Sub::Approx. -- It's God. No, not Richard

Re: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)

2001-05-16 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 02:37:25PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: Well it isn't English, but it's *almost* comprehensible... Sounds a bit like dadadodo, only it makes more sense :) Which does? :) -- Irrigation of the land with seawater desalinated by fusion power is ancient. It's called

Re: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)

2001-05-16 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 02:08:40PM +0100, Robert Thompson wrote: Having two people look at/develop a piece of code is better than one. Therefore having three people must be even better. But why stop there - why not four, five, six . . . Better yet - design/develop by committee! You've hit

Re: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)

2001-05-16 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 04:31:18PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: Simon Cozens wrote: That's not argument, it's just contradiction! I'm sorry; I'm not allowed to argue with you unless you've paid. Ah, you going into consulting as well, eh? -- The elder gods went to Suggoth and all I

Re: Enough!

2001-05-17 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 10:27:47AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: Fairly easy to write your own 'Wildfire'-esque system with this. Hook it into Mister House (open source home automation program, http://misterhouse.net/) and you could do some really funky things by just phoning up your house

Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 11:03:35AM +0100, AEF wrote: When I last ordered a HDD from Dabs, they mailed me a couple of days later to say that it wasn't in stock (there website said it was). My motherboard from Dabs has spent two days awaiting credit card clearance and two days awaiting

Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 03:25:22PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: I haven't seen a really good one for SOMEBODY SET UP US THE BOMB yet. apt-get install the-bomb doesn't qualify. dpkg --configure ? -- I don't think so, said Rene Descartes. Just then, he vanished.

Re: More Questions

2001-05-17 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 05:15:56PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: Did you mean like this? tie my %scores, 'Tie::Hash::Rank'; [overengineering snipped] Or you could do it in two lines: my $i; my %rank = map { $_ = ++$i } sort {$scores{$a} = $scores{$b}} keys %scores; -- teco /dev/audio

Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-14

2001-05-18 Thread Simon Cozens
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 12:21:47PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: Now all I have to do is not volunteer for the p5p summary, Leon You're a marked man, you realise? -- If that makes any sense to you, you have a big problem. -- C. Durance, Computer Science 234

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-20 Thread Simon Cozens
On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 09:10:02PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: I'm curious what the perceived payback is on books: kudos on the one hand, benefit to humankind on the other, and then cash. How does it all stack up? The kudos is fun but unless you write something completely earth-shattering,

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-20 Thread Simon Cozens
On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 11:23:05AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: I have in the past had a pirate copy of O'Reillys Network Bookshelf ... but a) I would not have paid for the CD in the first place and b) Iliked what I saw so much that I went on to buy a whole bookcase full of O'Reilly stuff.

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-20 Thread Simon Cozens
On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 08:49:56AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: I disagree. IMO, posting a link to site containing pirate copies of books _is_ advocating piracy. YMMV. Here is how to do it. Now *you* have a choice. Have you read A treatise on the construction of locks? -- The C Programming

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 04:16:16PM +0100, Chris Heathcote wrote: From air-conditioned tubes, thru to RIPA, to cheap petrol, it's bandwagon-jumping. Ah, congratulations! You seem to have been completely politically brainwashed; it's become so de rigeur for parties to completely disregard the

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 04:44:25PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: We vote for the encumbent party until they screw up big time and then we switch and repeat the process. Except we don't while they can arrange for elections to be when everyone's forgotten about their big screwups. Also, in

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 05:16:41PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: Labour were voted in on the basis of the Tories screw ups. Yes, so what you said about the party's previous record as, indeed, irrelevant. Labour hasn't screwed up yet. Thanks, that's going in my sigfile. Oh, and fix your

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Simon Cozens
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 05:37:23PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote: If you can't be bothered to take a few minutes to look, why the hell are you posting about it? But I wanna type, I wanna type, I wanna type! Roger, where we come from we have a word for people like that. -- I did write and

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-23 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 09:43:23AM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: It didn't hit critical mass. Discuss. Yet Another Webmail Client; it wasn't exactly filling a gaping niche. (And I say that as someone who may soon be maintaining one of the others...) -- 4.2BSD may not be a complete disaster, but

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-23 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 11:04:19AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: that Mail::Cclient is powerful but complicated and can be a bitch to install, And use. Ripping that fucker out would be my first act. :) There's also http://www.horde.org/imp/ which is reasonably popular. -- Jesus ate my mouse or

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-23 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 11:17:14AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: But Mail::Cclient is also unbeleivably powerful. Lying round on my HD there's a Mail::Cclient::Simple which amkes everything much easier but it's one of many projects I've never got round to finishing. Why reinvent the wheel by

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-23 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 09:50:47PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: @Mail (http://webbasedemail.com/) copied my code, my docs, and my images without telling me, added a configuration file, and sold it. I only found out about it by accident, which wasn't good. (it's changed a lot since). This is

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