Re: [Lsr] Handling multiple Extended IS Reachability TLVs for a link

2022-06-29 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Speaking as WG chair: Can someone present this at IETF 114? It seems like there more interest than most of the other agenda requests. Thanks, Acee From: Lsr on behalf of Tony Li Date: Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 12:58 PM To: Ketan Talaulikar Cc: "draft-pkaneria-lsr-multi-...@ietf.org" ,

Re: [Lsr] WG last call for draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-terminology-00

2022-06-24 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Hi Dhruv, Thanks for your support and comments. We’ll address these in the next revision. Thanks, Acee From: Dhruv Dhody Date: Friday, June 24, 2022 at 1:30 AM To: Christian Hopps Cc: "lsr@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-terminol...@ietf.org" , "lsr-...@ietf.org" , "lsr-cha...@ietf.org"

Re: [Lsr] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC6823 (6995)

2022-06-16 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
This Errata should be summarily rejected as there is no such reference in RFC 6823. Perhaps, it was reported against the wrong RFC. Thanks, Acee (as WG Co-Chair) On 6/16/22, 5:13 AM, "Lsr on behalf of RFC Errata System" wrote: The following errata report has been submitted for

Re: [Lsr] Status of draft-ietf-lsr-ospv3-srv6-extensions

2022-06-15 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Hi Robin, Thanks for the WG update. From: Lsr on behalf of Lizhenbin Date: Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 10:20 AM To: Susan Hares , lsr Cc: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-srv6-extensions Subject: Re: [Lsr] Status of draft-ietf-lsr-ospv3-srv6-extensions Hi Sue, Sorry for the late response. Thanks

Re: [Lsr] Dynamic Flooding on Dense Graphs - draft-ietf-lsr-dynamic-flooding

2022-06-15 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
promotion to standards track, this one certainly has potential. Thanks, Acee On 6/15/22, 7:56 AM, "tom petch" wrote: From: John Scudder Sent: 14 June 2022 21:49 Cc: John E Drake; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg); Tony Li; tom petch; Acee Lindem (acee); lsr@ietf.org Subjec

Re: [Lsr] Dynamic Flooding on Dense Graphs - draft-ietf-lsr-dynamic-flooding

2022-06-14 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
; -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of John E Drake > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2022 11:23 AM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; John > Scudder > Cc: Tony Li ; tom petch ; Acee > Lindem (acee) ; lsr@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Lsr] Dynami

Re: [Lsr] Thoughts about PUAs - are we not over-engineering?

2022-06-14 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Speaking as WG member: From: Lsr on behalf of Robert Raszuk Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 9:27 AM To: Christian Hopps Cc: Gunter Van de Velde , lsr , "draft-ppsenak-lsr-igp-ureach-prefix-annou...@ietf.org" , draft-wang-lsr-prefix-unreachable-annoucement Subject: Re: [Lsr] Thoughts about

Re: [Lsr] Dynamic Flooding on Dense Graphs - draft-ietf-lsr-dynamic-flooding

2022-06-14 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
If an experimental technology proves successful, it will be promoted to standards track. Two notable examples are GRE and PIM. BIER may be another that eventually become standards track. Thanks, Acee On 6/14/22, 8:41 AM, "Christian Hopps" wrote: > On Jun 13, 2022, at 14:29, Tony Li

Re: [Lsr] Dynamic Flooding on Dense Graphs - draft-ietf-lsr-dynamic-flooding

2022-06-13 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
draft are mature enough to consider Standards track. > > Les > > >> -----Original Message- >> From: Lsr On Behalf Of Tony Li >> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2022 10:12 AM >> To: tom petch >> Cc: Acee Lindem (acee) ; l

[Lsr] Dynamic Flooding on Dense Graphs - draft-ietf-lsr-dynamic-flooding

2022-06-10 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Initially, there was a lot interest and energy in reducing the flooding overhead in dense drafts. Now, it seems the interest and energy has waned. IMO, this draft contains some very valuable extensions to the IGPs. I discussed this with the editors and one suggestion was to go ahead and publish

Re: [Lsr] WG last call for draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-terminology-00

2022-06-05 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Hi Chris, I'm not aware of any IPR. Thanks, Acee On 6/5/22, 5:55 AM, "Christian Hopps" wrote: Given the simplicity of this document and having received no objections or edits prior to or during the adoption call we'll be moving it immediately to WGLC... This begins a 2 week WG Last

Re: [Lsr] Rtgdir last call review of draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-l2bundles-04

2022-05-29 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Hi Stewart - Thanks for review. I agree we should update the reference and will update the shepherd's report. I'm just so used to using a Cisco login to get IEEE standards that I didn't know the free access even existed. But this document is, in fact, readily available:

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call on "Advertising L2 Bundle Member Link Attributes in OSPF" - draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-l2bundles-03

2022-05-23 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Hi Ketan, One more thing, there is a pending RTG Directorate review so you can expect that in the coming weeks. Thanks, Acee From: Lsr on behalf of "Acee Lindem (acee)" Date: Monday, May 23, 2022 at 11:00 AM To: Ketan Talaulikar Cc: "lsr@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ls

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call on "Advertising L2 Bundle Member Link Attributes in OSPF" - draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-l2bundles-03

2022-05-23 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
4 Thanks, Ketan On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 10:19 PM Acee Lindem (acee) mailto:a...@cisco.com>> wrote: All, The WG last call has completed and we have support for publication. Publication will be requested for the next version of this document which contains the minor comments from the W

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call on "Advertising L2 Bundle Member Link Attributes in OSPF" - draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-l2bundles-03

2022-05-22 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
All, The WG last call has completed and we have support for publication. Publication will be requested for the next version of this document which contains the minor comments from the WG last call. Thanks, Acee From: Lsr on behalf of "Acee Lindem (acee)" Date: Thursday, May 5, 20

Re: [Lsr] [Need AD’s Judgement and Explanation] Re: Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo-04 - "IGP Flexible Algorithms (Flex-Algorithm) In IP Networks"

2022-05-16 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
o routers but we don’t want the non-flex-algo routers to use the prefix advertisements at all. Thanks, Acee Aijun Wang China Telecom On May 16, 2022, at 23:41, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: From: Aijun Wang Date: Monday, May 16, 2022 at 11:35 AM To: Acee Lindem , John Scudder Cc: "Peter

Re: [Lsr] [Need AD’s Judgement and Explanation] Re: Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo-04 - "IGP Flexible Algorithms (Flex-Algorithm) In IP Networks"

2022-05-16 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
ction to accomplish the aim. Aijun Wang China Telecom On May 16, 2022, at 19:50, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: Hi Aijun, We need to support mixed deployments of routers that do and do not support flex algorithm and in these deployments the default algorithm, i.e., algorithm 0, computation must

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo-04 - "IGP Flexible Algorithms (Flex-Algorithm) In IP Networks"

2022-05-16 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
On 5/16/22, 8:12 AM, "Peter Psenak" wrote: Hi Acee, On 16/05/2022 13:25, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > Hi Peter, > > On 5/16/22, 6:48 AM, "Peter Psenak" wrote: > > Hi Acee, > > thanks for yo

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo-04 - "IGP Flexible Algorithms (Flex-Algorithm) In IP Networks"

2022-05-16 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
t in two code points. The inconsistency will be emerged later when the additional sub-TLV is added under this code point. In conclusion, reusing the FAPM is the right direction to solve the mentioned use case in the updated draft. Aijun Wang China Telecom > On May 14, 2022, at 04:29, Acee Lindem

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo-04 - "IGP Flexible Algorithms (Flex-Algorithm) In IP Networks"

2022-05-16 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Hi Peter, On 5/16/22, 6:48 AM, "Peter Psenak" wrote: Hi Acee, thanks for your comments, I have incorporated them all. Please see one response inline: On 13/05/2022 22:28, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Thanks for addressing t

Re: [Lsr] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC2328 (6679)

2022-05-09 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
with non-ASCII text. Thanks, Acee Thoughts? Thanks, —John On Sep 13, 2021, at 1:28 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) mailto:acee=40cisco@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote: Removing John as he hasn't followed the IETF for decades. I believe the intention of the text is to reference Figure 9. However, the

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call on "Advertising L2 Bundle Member Link Attributes in OSPF" - draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-l2bundles-03

2022-05-09 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
in the IANA registry. Thanks, Acee From: Lsr on behalf of "Acee Lindem (acee)" Date: Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 1:51 PM To: "lsr@ietf.org" Cc: "draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-l2bund...@ietf.org" Subject: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call on "Advertising L2 Bundle Membe

[Lsr] FW: Working Group Last Call IPR Poll on "Advertising L2 Bundle Member Link Attributes in OSPF" - draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-l2bundles-03

2022-05-05 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
if necessary? Thanks, Acee From: Lsr on behalf of "Acee Lindem (acee)" Date: Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 1:52 PM To: "draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-l2bund...@ietf.org" Cc: "lsr@ietf.org" Subject: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call IPR Poll on "Advertising L2 Bundle Member Li

[Lsr] Working Group Last Call IPR Poll on "Advertising L2 Bundle Member Link Attributes in OSPF" - draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-l2bundles-03

2022-05-05 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Authors, There are no IPR disclosures for this draft. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-l2bundles-03? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as a document author or

[Lsr] Working Group Last Call on "Advertising L2 Bundle Member Link Attributes in OSPF" - draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-l2bundles-03

2022-05-05 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
This begins a Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-l2bundles. While there hasn’t been as much discussion as I would like on the draft, it is filling a gap in OSPF corresponding to IS-IS Link Bundles (RFC 8668). Please review and send your comments, support, or objection to this

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call IPR poll for draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo-04 - "IGP Flexible Algorithms (Flex-Algorithm) In IP Networks"

2022-05-02 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
I’m still missing IPR replies from Shraddha, Rajesh, and William. Thanks, Acee From: Lsr on behalf of "Acee Lindem (acee)" Date: Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 3:10 PM To: "draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexa...@ietf.org" Cc: "lsr@ietf.org" Subject: [Lsr] Working Group Last

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo-04 - "IGP Flexible Algorithms (Flex-Algorithm) In IP Networks"

2022-05-02 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
The WG last call has completed. We will submit an updated version of the document for publication with the terminology changes based on the discussion amongst the authors, Ketan, Robert, Gyan, and others. Thanks, Acee From: Lsr on behalf of "Acee Lindem (acee)" Date: Thursday, Apr

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-reverse-metric - "OSPF Reverse Metric"

2022-04-28 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
pr 20, 2022 at 12:18 PM Ketan Talaulikar mailto:ketant.i...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Acee, Thanks for your inputs and we'll update the draft accordingly. Thanks, Ketan On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 6:54 PM Acee Lindem (acee) mailto:a...@cisco.com>> wrote: Speaking as WG Member and Document S

Re: [Lsr] Rtgdir last call review of draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-reverse-metric-04

2022-04-27 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Hi Matthew, Thanks for your RTG directorate review!!! These can be included in the WG last call comment revisions. I had suggested the exact same change for "to be diverted". Hi Co-authors, Please include the nits below. Thanks, Acee On 4/27/22, 11:46 AM, "Matthew Bocci via

Re: [Lsr] WG adoption call for draft-fox-lsr-ospf-terminology-01

2022-04-25 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
I'm not aware of any IPR. Thanks, Acee On 4/25/22, 9:51 AM, "Lsr on behalf of Christian Hopps" wrote: Hi Folks, This begins a 2 week WG Adoption Call for the following draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fox-lsr-ospf-terminology/ Please indicate your support or

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-reverse-metric - "OSPF Reverse Metric"

2022-04-21 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
ore straight-forward. Thanks, Acee Best Regards Aijun Wang China Telecom From: Ketan Talaulikar Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2022 6:47 PM To: Aijun Wang Cc: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; lsr ; draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-reverse-met...@ietf.org; Acee Lindem (acee) Subject: Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo-04 - "IGP Flexible Algorithms (Flex-Algorithm) In IP Networks"

2022-04-20 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
normative language. Thanks, Acee Apart from the above, I do not have any other concerns or comments on that draft. Thanks, Ketan On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 3:15 AM Acee Lindem (acee) mailto:a...@cisco.com>> wrote: Speaking as WG member and document shepherd: Hi Gyan, Thanks for the e

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-reverse-metric - "OSPF Reverse Metric"

2022-04-19 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
2.1 removed. Les From: Lsr mailto:lsr-boun...@ietf.org>> On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2022 12:18 PM To: lsr@ietf.org<mailto:lsr@ietf.org> Cc: draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-reverse-met...@ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-reverse-met...@ietf.org> Subjec

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo-04 - "IGP Flexible Algorithms (Flex-Algorithm) In IP Networks"

2022-04-16 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
SR. This is not true since the base IGP FlexAlgo spec explicitly > opens it up for usage outside of the SR forwarding plane. We already > have BIER and MLDP forwarding planes as users of the IGP FlexAlgo. My > suggestion is to remove such assertions from the document. It is > sufficient to j

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo-04 - "IGP Flexible Algorithms (Flex-Algorithm) In IP Networks"

2022-04-16 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
ion? Each flex-algo data-plane/app can be deployed independently. On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at 7:51 PM Acee Lindem (acee) mailto:a...@cisco.com>> wrote: Gyan, What is your point here? Is this a trick question? Thanks, Acee From: Gyan Mishra mailto:hayabusa...@gmail.com>> Date: Friday, April 15

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo-04 - "IGP Flexible Algorithms (Flex-Algorithm) In IP Networks"

2022-04-15 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
o/data-plane? I am wondering if we can improve this > text to bring this out in a better way. Or altogether remove this if we > agree to not allow sharing of algo > > between different data planes to keep things simple. > > Multiple application can use the same Flex-Algorithm v

Re: [Lsr] [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt

2022-04-14 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
14, 2022 at 8:01 AM Acee Lindem (acee) mailto:40cisco@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote: While RFC 4001 really didn't need to extend the zone index to IPv4, the conversation also pertains to IPv6 address types. At least RFC 4001 got it right by not making the zone index part of the defaul

Re: [Lsr] [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt

2022-04-14 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
While RFC 4001 really didn't need to extend the zone index to IPv4, the conversation also pertains to IPv6 address types. At least RFC 4001 got it right by not making the zone index part of the default types and defining ipv4z and ipv6z. Thanks, Acee On 4/14/22, 10:04 AM, "Lsr on behalf of

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo-04 - "IGP Flexible Algorithms (Flex-Algorithm) In IP Networks"

2022-04-14 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Speaking as document shepherd and WG member: I don’t have a problem with “MPLS SR and SRv6 data planes” but wouldn’t be opposed to “MPLS SR and SRv6 logical data planes”. Thanks, Acee From: Robert Raszuk Date: Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 9:51 AM To: John E Drake Cc: "Peter Psenak (ppsenak)"

Re: [Lsr] [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt

2022-04-13 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
From: netmod on behalf of Andy Bierman Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 12:43 PM To: tom petch Cc: "lsr@ietf.org" , "net...@ietf.org" , "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" Subject: Re: [netmod] [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 2:22 AM tom

Re: [Lsr] [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt

2022-04-12 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
link local addresses do not exist or do not need to be supported, then you may want to bring the news to other WGs. /js On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 02:54:16PM +0000, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > That was a hypothetical example based on IPv6 Link Local addresses - not one anyone ha

Re: [Lsr] [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt

2022-04-12 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
On 4/12/2022 9:24 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > Joel, > > There are plenty of examples of where the ip-address types are used and a zone is not accepted. Show me the examples where it is expected? I do have reason to believe there aren't any significant usages of t

Re: [Lsr] [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt

2022-04-12 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Joel, There are plenty of examples of where the ip-address types are used and a zone is not accepted. Show me the examples where it is expected? I do have reason to believe there aren't any significant usages of the ip-address types where zone is accepted. Show me the models Acee On

Re: [Lsr] [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt

2022-04-12 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
From: netmod on behalf of Andy Bierman Date: Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 4:54 AM To: Martin Björklund Cc: "lsr@ietf.org" , NetMod WG , Robert Wilton Subject: Re: [netmod] [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 12:26 AM Martin Björklund

Re: [Lsr] [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt

2022-04-11 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Speaking as WG member inline. From: netmod on behalf of Andy Bierman Date: Monday, April 11, 2022 at 1:28 PM To: "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" Cc: "lsr@ietf.org" , "net...@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [netmod] [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at

Re: [Lsr] [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt

2022-04-11 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
See inline. On 4/11/22, 5:13 AM, "tom petch" wrote: From: Lsr on behalf of Reshad Rahman Sent: 10 April 2022 21:42 Inline. On Wednesday, April 6, 2022, 06:04:42 PM EDT, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: Hi Chris (as WG member), On 4/5/22, 10:47 AM, "

Re: [Lsr] [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt

2022-04-09 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Hi Andy, My opinion remains the same that RFC 4001 got it right with types including the zone specification being the exception rather than the default. I know that when people think IP address, they think the dotted 4 octet without “%” appended. I’d still like to know if there are

Re: [Lsr] [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt

2022-04-09 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
I hate when people selectively snip my Emails and respond out of context. Please don't do that in the future! I'll reply to the more constructive thread. Acee On 4/8/22, 4:45 PM, "Lsr on behalf of Randy Presuhn" wrote: Hi - On 2022-04-08 12:25 PM, Acee Lindem (a

Re: [Lsr] [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt

2022-04-08 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
See inline. On 4/8/22, 1:59 PM, "netmod on behalf of Randy Presuhn" wrote: Hi - On 2022-04-08 5:11 AM, Christian Hopps wrote: .. > Instead, Acee (I'm not sure I'd call him WG B :) is asserting that > *nobody* actually wanted the current type, and it has been misused

[Lsr] Working Group Last Call IPR Poll for draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-reverse-metric - "OSPF Reverse Metric"

2022-04-07 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Authors, There are no IPR disclosures for this draft. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo-04? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as a document author or

[Lsr] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-reverse-metric - "OSPF Reverse Metric"

2022-04-07 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
This begins a Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-reverse-metric. While there hasn’t been as much discussion as I would like on the draft, it is filling a gap in OSPF corresponding to IS-IS Reverse Metric (RFC 8500). Please review and send your comments, support, or objection to

[Lsr] Working Group Last Call IPR poll for draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo-04 - "IGP Flexible Algorithms (Flex-Algorithm) In IP Networks"

2022-04-07 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Authors, The following IPR has been disclosed: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=draft=draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo Are you aware of any undisclosed IPR that applies to draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo-04? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs

[Lsr] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo-04 - "IGP Flexible Algorithms (Flex-Algorithm) In IP Networks"

2022-04-07 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
This begins a WG last call for draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo-04. The draft had a lot of support and discussion initially and has been stable for some time. Please review and send your comments, support, or objection to this list before 12 AM UTC on April 22nd, 2022. Thanks, Acee

Re: [Lsr] [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt

2022-04-07 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Jürgen, On 4/7/22, 12:08 PM, "Jürgen Schönwälder" wrote: On Thu, Apr 07, 2022 at 02:35:03PM +0000, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > > We already a large number of models that use the existing inet:ip-address types whose implementations don't support the zone. Why

Re: [Lsr] [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt

2022-04-07 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
reasonably, use a different typedef in this model. Point me to a usages where the zone is actually desired and supported? Acee Yours, Joel On 4/7/2022 1:04 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > Hi Martin, > > On 4/7/22, 1:02 PM, "netmod on behalf of M

Re: [Lsr] [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt

2022-04-07 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
eps its import "revision-or-derived" extension, would also allow > > such modules to indicate the dependency on the updated revision/definition > > of ietf-inet-types.yang. > > > > Of course, the description associated with the updated > > ie

Re: [Lsr] [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt

2022-04-07 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Kent, On 4/7/22, 4:39 AM, "Kent Watsen" wrote: Juergen et. al. , > What are our options? > > a) Do nothing and accept that types are called as they are. > b) Change the types as suggested and accept that doing so breaks > modules where zone indexes are meaningful.

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt

2022-04-06 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Hi Chris (as WG member), On 4/5/22, 10:47 AM, "Christian Hopps" wrote: > On Apr 5, 2022, at 09:48, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > > [wg-member] > > The thing is that most of the existing RFCs use inet:ip-address rather inet:ip-address-no-zone. It

Re: [Lsr] [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt

2022-04-06 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Jürgen and netmod WG, +IESG, It is not just the IETF models that are using the inet:ip-address for the standard IPv4/IPv6 addresses without zones. Every vendor’s native models and the OpenConfig models use the base types and expect the standard IP address notation. If we don’t fix this, it is

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt

2022-04-05 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
On 4/5/22, 11:37 AM, "Lsr on behalf of Jürgen Schönwälder" wrote: On Tue, Apr 05, 2022 at 01:48:25PM +0000, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > [wg-member] > > The thing is that most of the existing RFCs use inet:ip-address rather inet:ip-address-no-zone.

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt

2022-04-05 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Hi Chris, On 4/5/22, 10:47 AM, "Christian Hopps" wrote: > On Apr 5, 2022, at 09:48, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > > [wg-member] > > The thing is that most of the existing RFCs use inet:ip-address rather inet:ip-address-no-zone. It would be

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt

2022-04-05 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Hopps" wrote: If they are new leaf values why not use the correct no-zone variant, what's the harm in doing it right? It has a nice side effect of basically restricting the base spec zone values to no-zone only. :) Thanks, Chris. [wg member] > On Apr 4, 2022, at 12:30

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt

2022-04-04 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
On 4/4/22, 11:55 AM, "tom petch" wrote: From: Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: 04 April 2022 15:58 Hi Tom, +Juergen, netmod WG, I think the question you ought to be asking is whether the base IPv4 and IPv6 address types should be modified to NOT include the zone an

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-ospfv3-extended-lsa-yang-10.txt

2022-04-04 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Hi Tom, +Juergen, netmod WG, I think the question you ought to be asking is whether the base IPv4 and IPv6 address types should be modified to NOT include the zone and the zone versions should be added as a separate YANG type. The RFC 6991 is under revision now:

[Lsr] IETF 113 LSR Meeting Minutes

2022-03-29 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
I’ve posted the minutes for the LSR meeting minutes. Thanks to Yingzhen Qu for taking them. https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/113/materials/minutes-113-lsr-00 The transcript of the Jabber chat during the LSR meeting is appended to the meeting minutes. There was some interesting discussion

Re: [Lsr] Is it necessary to define new PUB/SUB model to monitor the node live?

2022-03-25 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
I agree with Tony that these other PUB/SUB efforts aren’t directly applicable. I don’t necessarily agree that YANG is evil though  However, note that the I2RS effort (where such a route monitoring capability was envisioned) was for the most part unsuccessful. Thanks, Acee From: Lsr on

Re: [Lsr] 答复: Question on "Advertisement of Dedicated Metric for Flexible Algorithm in IGP"

2022-03-23 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
ifferent metrics for Flex-Algo 128 and 129. Best Regards Mengxiao Chen 发件人: Lsr [mailto:lsr-boun...@ietf.org] 代表 Aijun Wang 发送时间: 2022年3月23日 9:22 收件人: 'Acee Lindem (acee)' ; draft-lin-lsr-flex-algo-met...@ietf.org 抄送: lsr@ietf.org 主题: Re: [Lsr] Question on "Advertisement of Dedicated Met

[Lsr] Question on "Advertisement of Dedicated Metric for Flexible Algorithm in IGP"

2022-03-22 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Speaking as WG member: Hi Co-authors, I’m read this draft and I really don’t see why you couldn’t just use the algorithm-specific metric in section 8 and 9 and draft-ietf-lsir-flex-algo? It seems to me that the use case is fairly obscure and there is nothing to prevent usage of these metrics

Re: [Lsr] 答复: LSR IETF 113 Slot Requests

2022-03-14 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Hi Chenxi, Our agenda is more than full. I suggest you socialize the draft on the LSR list. I’ll reserve my comments for that discussion but note that traffic engineering on LAN networks is best effort and implying this level of per-neighbor metric isn’t tenable. As a WG member, I’d hope you’d

Re: [Lsr] OSPF Monitor Node (draft-retana-lsr-ospf-monitor-node)

2022-03-08 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
to notice :-) That was exactly what I was looking for. Is there implementation report documented anywhere ? I checked LSR WG wiki page but not much content there ... Best, Robert. On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 3:11 PM Acee Lindem (acee) mailto:a...@cisco.com>> wrote: Hi Robert, From: Robert R

Re: [Lsr] OSPF Monitor Node (draft-retana-lsr-ospf-monitor-node)

2022-03-08 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
d prevent the router from being added to the OSPF topology. So, the only gaps we have here are in the understanding of the OSPF protocol and reading of the previous Email thread (hopefully, neither of those will require standardization). Thanks, Acee Thank you, R. On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 12:36 PM A

Re: [Lsr] OSPF Monitor Node (draft-retana-lsr-ospf-monitor-node)

2022-03-08 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
fill. Thx, R. On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 4:02 AM Acee Lindem (acee) mailto:a...@cisco.com>> wrote: Hi Aijun, From: Aijun Wang mailto:wangai...@tsinghua.org.cn>> Date: Monday, March 7, 2022 at 9:41 PM To: Acee Lindem mailto:a...@cisco.com>>, Robert Raszuk mailto:rob...@

Re: [Lsr] OSPF Monitor Node (draft-retana-lsr-ospf-monitor-node)

2022-03-07 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
hem?  All the machinery for passive monitoring exists, no need to invent anything. Thanks, Acee Should we unified such requirements in such way then? Best Regards Aijun Wang China Telecom From: lsr-boun...@ietf.org On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Monday, March 7, 2022 11:57 PM

Re: [Lsr] OSPF Monitor Node (draft-retana-lsr-ospf-monitor-node)

2022-03-07 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Speaking as WG member: I was going to wait to comment on this due to more important tasks but it appears the discussion is under way. This requirement surfaced about 25-30 years back. In fact, there was one SP (who will remain anonymous) that actually had a OSPF monitoring function that kept

Re: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-wang-lsr-stub-link-attributes-02

2022-02-24 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Hi Chris, I'm currently a co-author and provided input on the encoding and moving the encoding from the base LSAs/TLVs to the TE LSAs/TLVs given that the intended use is, in fact, traffic engineering. However, I do not support WG adoption unless the utility of advertising these external

Re: [Lsr] Update to OSPF Terminology (draft-fox-lsr-ospf-terminology)

2022-02-24 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Agree with Alvaro... There is nothing that says we can't do this document now and still redo the base documents with updated terminology and Errata incorporated. The latter is likely to be a multi-year process while hopefully the former can be done in a year given the right focus. Thanks, Acee

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for "OSPF Strict-Mode for BFD" - draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-mode-04

2022-02-10 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
detected by BFD) may help reduce the frequency of adjacency flaps and therefore reduce the associated routing churn. Not sure if this is normative or informative, but it addresses my point. Thx, Robert. On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 4:50 PM Acee Lindem (acee) mailto:40cisco@dmarc.ietf.org>>

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for "OSPF Strict-Mode for BFD" - draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-mode-04

2022-02-10 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-mode/ Thanks, Acee From: Lsr on behalf of "Acee Lindem (acee)" Date: Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 12:09 PM To: "lsr@ietf.org" Cc: "draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-m...@ietf.org" Subject: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call

Re: [Lsr] IPR Poll Coinciding with WGLC for "OSPF Strict-Mode for BFD" - draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-mode-04

2022-02-07 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Hi Rajesh, I’m missing a WG last call declaration from you. Thanks, Acee From: Lsr on behalf of "Acee Lindem (acee)" Date: Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 12:16 PM To: "draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-m...@ietf.org" Cc: "lsr@ietf.org" Subject: [Lsr] IPR Poll

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for "OSPF Strict-Mode for BFD" - draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-mode-04

2022-02-06 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Hi Robert, I think that much of the additional functionality you are proposing is beyond the scope of the draft and IGP BFD usage today. You could propose all these additional capabilities (e.g., MTU testing and link quality determination beyond what is already in BFD) in a separate draft.

Re: [Lsr] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC8665 (6838)

2022-02-05 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Hi John, This errata is valid. Thanks, Acee On 2/5/22, 8:23 AM, "Lsr on behalf of RFC Errata System" wrote: The following errata report has been submitted for RFC8665, "OSPF Extensions for Segment Routing". -- You may review the report

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for "OSPF Strict-Mode for BFD" - draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-mode-04

2022-02-04 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
irtual links and unnumbered interfaces? With virtual links, one would have to establish a multi-hop BFD session, so it is slightly different from a BFD operational standpoint. For e.g, capability to support single-hop BFD may not translate to the capability to support multi-hop BFD.. Regar

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for "OSPF Strict-Mode for BFD" - draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-mode-04

2022-02-03 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Hi Ketan, From: Ketan Talaulikar Date: Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 12:41 PM To: Acee Lindem Cc: "Acee Lindem (acee)" , "lsr@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-m...@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for "OSPF Strict-Mode for BFD

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for "OSPF Strict-Mode for BFD" - draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-mode-04

2022-02-03 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
place that would lead one to believe it is pre-node. Thanks, Acee From: Ketan Talaulikar Date: Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 10:31 AM To: Acee Lindem Cc: "Acee Lindem (acee)" , "lsr@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-m...@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Lsr] Wor

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for "OSPF Strict-Mode for BFD" - draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-mode-04

2022-02-02 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
and an updated version is coming with some updates based on that discussion. Remember that we don’t necessarily have to incorporate every suggested change but simply need to conclude the discussion. Thanks, Acee From: "Acee Lindem (acee)" Date: Friday, January 28, 2022 at 7:24 AM To: Acee Lin

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for "OSPF Strict-Mode for BFD" - draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-mode-04

2022-01-29 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Hi Robert, From: Robert Raszuk Date: Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 2:25 PM To: Acee Lindem Cc: Ketan Talaulikar , lsr , "draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-m...@ietf.org" , Albert Fu Subject: Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for "OSPF Strict-Mode for BFD" -

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for "OSPF Strict-Mode for BFD" - draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-mode-04

2022-01-29 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Speaking as Document Shepherd: Hi Robert, From: Robert Raszuk Date: Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 11:15 AM To: Ketan Talaulikar Cc: lsr , "draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-m...@ietf.org" , Albert Fu , Acee Lindem Subject: Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for "OSPF Strict-Mode for BFD" -

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for "OSPF Strict-Mode for BFD" - draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-mode-04

2022-01-29 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
adcast/NBMA network, then some clarification for the procedures are needed. Best Regards Aijun Wang China Telecom From: lsr-boun...@ietf.org On Behalf Of Ketan Talaulikar Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2022 4:22 PM To: Aijun Wang Cc: lsr@ietf.org; draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-m...@ietf.org; Albert Fu ; A

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for "OSPF Strict-Mode for BFD" - draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-mode-04

2022-01-28 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
ets. Thanks, Acee From: lsr-boun...@ietf.org On Behalf Of Aijun Wang Sent: Friday, January 28, 2022 2:02 PM To: 'Ketan Talaulikar' Cc: lsr@ietf.org; draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-m...@ietf.org; 'Acee Lindem (acee)' ; 'Albert Fu' Subject: Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for "OSPF Str

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for "OSPF Strict-Mode for BFD" - draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-mode-04

2022-01-28 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Speaking as WG member: I support publication of the document. As indicated by the Albert Fu, it has been implemented by two vendors. I will provide WG Last Call comments when I prepare the Shepherd’s report. Thanks, Acee From: Lsr on behalf of "Acee Lindem (acee)" Date: Thursda

Re: [Lsr] WGLC request for draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-mode-04

2022-01-27 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Hi Albert, I agree that the draft is ready have started the WG Last Call. It’s great that we have two implementations. Thanks, Acee From: "Albert Fu (BLOOMBERG/ 120 PARK)" Reply-To: Albert Fu Date: Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 9:40 AM To: "lsr-cha...@ietf.org" Cc: "ketant.i...@gmail.com" ,

[Lsr] IPR Poll Coinciding with WGLC for "OSPF Strict-Mode for BFD" - draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-mode-04

2022-01-27 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Draft Authors, Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-ospf-bfd-strict-mode-04? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this

[Lsr] Working Group Last Call for "OSPF Strict-Mode for BFD" - draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-mode-04

2022-01-27 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
LSR WG, This begins a two week last call for the subject draft. Please indicate your support or objection on this list prior to 12:00 AM UTC on February 11th, 20222. Also, review comments are certainly welcome. Thanks, Acee ___ Lsr mailing list

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2022-01-25 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Speaking as WG Chair and one who rarely wears a hat: I agree with Chris. There are multiple solutions being proposed and, as one would expect, the authors of each solution like their own. Can we agree on the requirement is the topology Peter used as an example with 100 areas each with 1000

Re: [Lsr] WG Last Call fo "IS-IS Flood Reflection"-draft-ietf-lsr-isis-flood-reflection-05

2022-01-20 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
All, I've captured the objection on multiple solutions in the shepherd's report. We will move forward with this draft on the experimental track. Thanks, Acee On 1/13/22, 2:02 PM, "Acee Lindem (acee)" wrote: All, I think there is some confusion here (at least on my

Re: [Lsr] New Version Notification for draft-li-lsr-liveness-00.txt

2022-01-20 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
nce the reachability detection is done in the IGP. Speaking as someone who doesn’t want to waste time on needless semantics discussions, Acee Thx, R. On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 4:01 PM Acee Lindem (acee) mailto:a...@cisco.com>> wrote: Hi Robert, From: Lsr mailto:lsr-boun...@ietf.org>

Re: [Lsr] New Version Notification for draft-li-lsr-liveness-00.txt

2022-01-20 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Hi Robert, From: Lsr on behalf of Robert Raszuk Date: Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 4:59 AM To: Aijun Wang Cc: lsr , Tony Li Subject: Re: [Lsr] New Version Notification for draft-li-lsr-liveness-00.txt [WAJ] The exact description should be “It proposes to use IGP establishing the out of

Re: [Lsr] Seeking feedback to the revised draft-dunbar-lsr-5g-edge-compute

2022-01-19 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
w does the “topology” relate to an IGP domain. Is it separate? Thanks, Acee We will add some description to the draft to address your points. Thank you. Linda From: Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2022 10:09 AM To: Linda Dunbar ; Robert Raszuk ; Aijun Wang ; muthu.a...@gmail.com Cc

Re: [Lsr] Seeking feedback to the revised draft-dunbar-lsr-5g-edge-compute

2022-01-19 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
bute-i to the Prefix | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Figure 1: Aggregated cost Advertisement in OSPF Your suggestions and comments are greatly appreciated. Linda Dunbar From: Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2022 7:18 AM To: Linda Dunbar ; Robert Raszuk ; Aijun Wang Cc: John E Drake ; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)

Re: [Lsr] Seeking feedback to the revised draft-dunbar-lsr-5g-edge-compute

2022-01-19 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
uggestions are greatly appreciated. Linda From: Robert Raszuk Sent: Monday, January 17, 2022 5:29 AM To: Aijun Wang Cc: Acee Lindem (acee) ; Linda Dunbar ; John E Drake ; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Gyan Mishra ; lsr Subject: Re: [Lsr] Seeking feedback to the revised draft-dunbar-lsr-5g-ed

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